Guest guest Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Please allow me to tune up your most informative post: the diagnosis of Adrenal Fatigue is best made through recognition of symptoms. IOW, it's a clinical call. IF one has the symptoms, and IF hydrocortisone treats same, diagnosis is confirmed. Those of us who work in this field recognize cortisol can be high during AF ( " burn out " phase-like having to run full speed too long), so it surely can be " normal " range as well. Compare to the thyroid situation, where the person can be sick as heck, but totally " normal " range labs. Be well! Regards, Crisler, DO Anti-Aging Medicine The information contained in this message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above, and is protected by state and federal law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately, and delete the original message. We would certainly do the same for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Dr. , does DHEA lower cortisol in those of us with already very low levels (and on HC)? El Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 So Dr. , you do not advise using cytomel to treat elevated rt3? My adrenal functions were low when tested about 2 months ago. It was suggested I use an herbal prep. from Futer Formulations to support them. I have problems with tendonitis and I inquired about HC. Would HC improve the adrenal functions and help the tendonitis at the same time? Just 1 more thing. I have been on 10gr compounded T for 2 wks (increased from 5 gm). My T dropped to 466 and E2 dropped to 8. What could have caused this? Thanks very much > > Yes, it's a simple logical progression if one is suffering AF they feel like > crap. " Feeling like crap " is stressful, so rT3 is elevated. > > > > I n most cases, I use a desiccated complete thyroid product first, rather > than T3 only. Often times this does the trick, as the free T3 thus added is > sufficient, all the while offering a more normal hormonal milieu of T4 (and > others), while enzyme D1 picks up, thus shunting T4 to T3. But sometimes we > need a bit of T3 (Cytomel) on top of that, to get the motor running. But > it's the activity of D1 that is exactly the problem, so we do need to push > T4 through it in order to affect a cure. This is a failing of T3 only-but > sometimes you do need T3 as a " primer " . > > > > When DHEA is supplemented D1 picks up, BTW. > > > > Be well! > > Regards, > > > Crisler, DO > > Anti-Aging Medicine > > The information contained in this message is intended only for the personal > and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above, and is protected by > state and federal law. If the reader of this message is not the intended > recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this > document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or > copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this > communication in error, please notify us immediately, and delete the > original message. We would certainly do the same for you. > > From: [mailto: ] > On Behalf Of mbmom123 > Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 5:34 AM > > Subject: Re: RT3 > > > > > > Jim, yes this hormone stuff can be pretty complex..but, you will soon be an > expert on yours. Know your doc is testing all this stuff, because if you > don't get adrenals and thyroid handled, everything else a waste of > time..hormones change hourly in those of us w/multiple challenges (just be > grateful you don't have menopause to add to the lot-- LOL!) > > Phil may have pointed you here for the nuts and bolts of > thyroid/adrenals/RT3: > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/long-and-pathetic/ > > and adrenal basics: > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/ > > and RT3: > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/2009/11/18/reverse-t3/ > > Adrenal function best done by 24 hr saliva test--have you done that? > You need to be off supplements (what are you taking by the way?) for 2 weeks > to do the test in order to get a handle on whether yours is low or high > (same symptom set)or normal...adrenals and their hormones pretty important > in sugar regulation and by proxy, water / salt balance in the body..some > very important hormones being produced in adrenals, including your s*x > hormones, so getting to the right core issue is key..yes, cortisol issues do > affect production of RT3.. > > El > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.91/2541 - Release Date: 12/02/09 > 19:43:00 > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Most likely due to what every reason, When starting trt it can reveal hidden issues most likely adrenal or thyroid which cause the gel not to be absorbed properly due to the thickness of the skin. Now what needs to be assessed is that treating the underlying issue or jumping right to shots needs to be further looked at. If one jumps to shots right away and the underlying issue is something elese. The shots would solve the problem, but since we know its adrenal issues then this also has to be addressed as well. > > Jim, yes this hormone stuff can be pretty complex..but, you will soon be an expert on yours. Know your doc is testing all this stuff, because if you don't get adrenals and thyroid handled, everything else a waste of time..hormones change hourly in those of us w/multiple challenges (just be grateful you don't have menopause to add to the lot-- LOL!) > > Phil may have pointed you here for the nuts and bolts of thyroid/adrenals/RT3: > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/long-and-pathetic/ > > and adrenal basics: > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/ > > and RT3: > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/2009/11/18/reverse-t3/ > > Adrenal function best done by 24 hr saliva test--have you done that? > You need to be off supplements (what are you taking by the way?) for 2 weeks to do the test in order to get a handle on whether yours is low or high (same symptom set)or normal...adrenals and their hormones pretty important in sugar regulation and by proxy, water / salt balance in the body..some very important hormones being produced in adrenals, including your s*x hormones, so getting to the right core issue is key..yes, cortisol issues do affect production of RT3.. > > El > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 You also have low e2 as well which could be contributing to the joint issues which could be mimicing other issues such as low adrenals. So giving HC if the issue was really low e2 may be be a bridge.. Low e2 can cause insulin dysregulation as well affecting you blood sugar issues. > > > > Yes, it's a simple logical progression if one is suffering AF they feel like > > crap. " Feeling like crap " is stressful, so rT3 is elevated. > > > > > > > > I n most cases, I use a desiccated complete thyroid product first, rather > > than T3 only. Often times this does the trick, as the free T3 thus added is > > sufficient, all the while offering a more normal hormonal milieu of T4 (and > > others), while enzyme D1 picks up, thus shunting T4 to T3. But sometimes we > > need a bit of T3 (Cytomel) on top of that, to get the motor running. But > > it's the activity of D1 that is exactly the problem, so we do need to push > > T4 through it in order to affect a cure. This is a failing of T3 only-but > > sometimes you do need T3 as a " primer " . > > > > > > > > When DHEA is supplemented D1 picks up, BTW. > > > > > > > > Be well! > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Crisler, DO > > > > Anti-Aging Medicine > > > > The information contained in this message is intended only for the personal > > and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above, and is protected by > > state and federal law. If the reader of this message is not the intended > > recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the > > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this > > document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or > > copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this > > communication in error, please notify us immediately, and delete the > > original message. We would certainly do the same for you. > > > > From: [mailto: ] > > On Behalf Of mbmom123 > > Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 5:34 AM > > > > Subject: Re: RT3 > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim, yes this hormone stuff can be pretty complex..but, you will soon be an > > expert on yours. Know your doc is testing all this stuff, because if you > > don't get adrenals and thyroid handled, everything else a waste of > > time..hormones change hourly in those of us w/multiple challenges (just be > > grateful you don't have menopause to add to the lot-- LOL!) > > > > Phil may have pointed you here for the nuts and bolts of > > thyroid/adrenals/RT3: > > > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/long-and-pathetic/ > > > > and adrenal basics: > > > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/ > > > > and RT3: > > > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/2009/11/18/reverse-t3/ > > > > Adrenal function best done by 24 hr saliva test--have you done that? > > You need to be off supplements (what are you taking by the way?) for 2 weeks > > to do the test in order to get a handle on whether yours is low or high > > (same symptom set)or normal...adrenals and their hormones pretty important > > in sugar regulation and by proxy, water / salt balance in the body..some > > very important hormones being produced in adrenals, including your s*x > > hormones, so getting to the right core issue is key..yes, cortisol issues do > > affect production of RT3.. > > > > El > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.91/2541 - Release Date: 12/02/09 > > 19:43:00 > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 How can the E2 be raised. It seems to be going the other way. The compunded cream doesn't work. Would starting with a higher dose of injected T and hcg, then working backwards with dose be a logical approach? Sometimes a bigger hammer is needed. > > > > > > Yes, it's a simple logical progression if one is suffering AF they feel like > > > crap. " Feeling like crap " is stressful, so rT3 is elevated. > > > > > > > > > > > > I n most cases, I use a desiccated complete thyroid product first, rather > > > than T3 only. Often times this does the trick, as the free T3 thus added is > > > sufficient, all the while offering a more normal hormonal milieu of T4 (and > > > others), while enzyme D1 picks up, thus shunting T4 to T3. But sometimes we > > > need a bit of T3 (Cytomel) on top of that, to get the motor running. But > > > it's the activity of D1 that is exactly the problem, so we do need to push > > > T4 through it in order to affect a cure. This is a failing of T3 only-but > > > sometimes you do need T3 as a " primer " . > > > > > > > > > > > > When DHEA is supplemented D1 picks up, BTW. > > > > > > > > > > > > Be well! > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Crisler, DO > > > > > > Anti-Aging Medicine > > > > > > The information contained in this message is intended only for the personal > > > and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above, and is protected by > > > state and federal law. If the reader of this message is not the intended > > > recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the > > > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this > > > document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or > > > copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this > > > communication in error, please notify us immediately, and delete the > > > original message. We would certainly do the same for you. > > > > > > From: [mailto: ] > > > On Behalf Of mbmom123 > > > Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 5:34 AM > > > > > > Subject: Re: RT3 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim, yes this hormone stuff can be pretty complex..but, you will soon be an > > > expert on yours. Know your doc is testing all this stuff, because if you > > > don't get adrenals and thyroid handled, everything else a waste of > > > time..hormones change hourly in those of us w/multiple challenges (just be > > > grateful you don't have menopause to add to the lot-- LOL!) > > > > > > Phil may have pointed you here for the nuts and bolts of > > > thyroid/adrenals/RT3: > > > > > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/long-and-pathetic/ > > > > > > and adrenal basics: > > > > > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/ > > > > > > and RT3: > > > > > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/2009/11/18/reverse-t3/ > > > > > > Adrenal function best done by 24 hr saliva test--have you done that? > > > You need to be off supplements (what are you taking by the way?) for 2 weeks > > > to do the test in order to get a handle on whether yours is low or high > > > (same symptom set)or normal...adrenals and their hormones pretty important > > > in sugar regulation and by proxy, water / salt balance in the body..some > > > very important hormones being produced in adrenals, including your s*x > > > hormones, so getting to the right core issue is key..yes, cortisol issues do > > > affect production of RT3.. > > > > > > El > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.91/2541 - Release Date: 12/02/09 > > > 19:43:00 > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 RT3 is a result of: Toxic Liver High Cortisol Stress Poor Diet Iodine is not responsible for any of these. RT3 HiCan anyone tell me what, if any, effect iodine has on RT3? I very well may have an issue with this, although I haven't tested. I have many predisposing factors.Testing for this in Canada is difficult.ThanksJaye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2011 Report Share Posted February 2, 2011 If you are thinking that taking iodine will make your T4 go up and make you produce RT3, take a T3 only med. If it is correctly dosed this will stop the TSH secretion and consequently T4 production. Once you have done this, no matter how much iodine you take your T4 will be very, very low and this will considerably limit the amount of RT3 you can make. I have done this taking 50 mg/day of iodine and my FT4 was right down the bottom of the scale (approx. 2 on a range of 12 to 24). I am hoping that one day I will be able to convert T4 to T3 correctly since my FT4 was always within range with or without a T4 med until I started taking T3. Even with Hashi antibodies it seems to work OK. It was just the conversion to T3 that was the problem. MacGilchrist From: "jprocure@..." <jprocure@...>iodine Sent: Wed, 2 February, 2011 19:45:48Subject: RT3 HiCan anyone tell me what, if any, effect iodine has on RT3? I very well may have an issue with this, although I haven't tested. I have many predisposing factors.Testing for this in Canada is difficult.ThanksJaye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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