Re: RT3

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venizia1948 wrote:

>

>

> Can someone explain to me what labs might look like if someone had a

> RT3 problem?

T4 would be high with T3 low.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

I wish Chuck lived near me!!! I'd pay you to go to the doctor with me and

suggest things to my doctor to try. Not that you would accept...but I just value

you your knowledge about this.

(who still has to make an appointment to see a new doc)

In a message dated 5/21/2008 9:37:53 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

gumboyaya@... writes:

Venizia,

You wrote:

>

> Also, with the high FT3 and my Ft4 only being one point over the

> normal range, could this be an RT3 problem. I don't understand really

> what RT3 is but I think it means that T3 is pooling in the blood and

> not getting to the cells?...

No.

T4 is changed by the enzymes it encounters in the blood, and control of

these enzymes is complicated. Binding proteins put T4 (and T3) in

protective " storage " in the blood, so it can be used (changed) later. A

tiny percentage is left free. This FT4 can have iodine removed to

produce either FT3, the useful, active version of the hormone, or RT3,

which is not only an inactive version, but it efficiently BLOCKS the

action of the FT3 by filling T3 receptors with " blanks. " Thus, the

hormone that actually does the work is balanced by a blocking agent,

both made from T4.

This makes the whole system exquisitely sensitive to the balance between

FT3 and RT3. With too much RT3, you can have severe hypoT symptoms even

with normal range TSH and even T3. Various things can influence this

balance of concentrations, such as stress, starvation, and other

hormones. One solution is to bypass the conversion process and take a T3

medication, at least temporarily. That insures that the T4-RT3 path is

relatively empty until whatever is causing the disruption calms down.

Incidentally, both T3 and RT3 are eventually turned into isomers of T2

and T1, so you still get plenty of those metabolic byproducts, even if

the RT3 balance is tipped the wrong way.

Chuck

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[Guest guest]

It surely does amaze me Chuck with how much you know and to be able to

explain....I am impressed. Thanks for letting me know...,.I would

have made a fool of myself at the doctors office tomorrow.

Venizia

-- In hypothyroidism , Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

>

> Venizia,

>

> You wrote:

> >

> > Also, with the high FT3 and my Ft4 only being one point over the

> > normal range, could this be an RT3 problem. I don't understand really

> > what RT3 is but I think it means that T3 is pooling in the blood and

> > not getting to the cells?...

>

> No.

>

> T4 is changed by the enzymes it encounters in the blood, and control of

> these enzymes is complicated. Binding proteins put T4 (and T3) in

> protective " storage " in the blood, so it can be used (changed) later. A

> tiny percentage is left free. This FT4 can have iodine removed to

> produce either FT3, the useful, active version of the hormone, or RT3,

> which is not only an inactive version, but it efficiently BLOCKS the

> action of the FT3 by filling T3 receptors with " blanks. " Thus, the

> hormone that actually does the work is balanced by a blocking agent,

> both made from T4.

>

> This makes the whole system exquisitely sensitive to the balance

between

> FT3 and RT3. With too much RT3, you can have severe hypoT symptoms even

> with normal range TSH and even T3. Various things can influence this

> balance of concentrations, such as stress, starvation, and other

> hormones. One solution is to bypass the conversion process and take

a T3

> medication, at least temporarily. That insures that the T4-RT3 path is

> relatively empty until whatever is causing the disruption calms down.

>

> Incidentally, both T3 and RT3 are eventually turned into isomers of T2

> and T1, so you still get plenty of those metabolic byproducts, even if

> the RT3 balance is tipped the wrong way.

>

> Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

,

You wrote:

> I wish Chuck lived near me!!! I'd pay you to go to the doctor with me and

> suggest things to my doctor to try. ...

Thank you, but I would suggest much less expensive alternatives.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

" Prognosis good " is always good to hear! I'm just writing to let you now I am

sending you all

warm, positive healing thoughts and wishes.

>

> Just trying to help. This week I have been " cramming " medical

> information at the local CVICU, where my son is recovering from two

> heart valve replacements. Nothing to do with the thyroid, but I am

> amazed at the changes in technology over the years. My wife and I have

> been sharing 24 hour shifts for the last ten days. That may explain my

> lack of posting recently.

>

> After eight days in ICU, he was moved to a " regular " room last night.

> The prognosis is good.

>

> Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

Oh my gosh Chuck, so sorry to hear that you and your family and your

son are having to deal with this. It does take a toll being in the

hospital for any length of time but when it is your child, it must be

incredible more difficult. Is this the son that is dealing with

autism? You and your son will be in my prayers.

Venizia

-- In hypothyroidism , Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

>

> Venizia,

>

> You wrote:

> > ... Thanks for letting me know...,.I would

> > have made a fool of myself at the doctors office tomorrow.

>

> Just trying to help. This week I have been " cramming " medical

> information at the local CVICU, where my son is recovering from two

> heart valve replacements. Nothing to do with the thyroid, but I am

> amazed at the changes in technology over the years. My wife and I have

> been sharing 24 hour shifts for the last ten days. That may explain my

> lack of posting recently.

>

> After eight days in ICU, he was moved to a " regular " room last night.

> The prognosis is good.

>

> Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

Crystal,

You wrote:

>

> My prayers go out to your son and your family! Hope he FULLY recovers!

> Were those heart valves from a transplant?

Thank you. The pulmonary valve is porcine, perhaps one that contributed

to Armour. The mitral valve is artificial, made from a pyrolytic carbon

composite.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Again, I am so sorry and will keep you all in my prayers.

Venizia

>

> Venizia,

>

> Thank you. Yes, the autism complicates things a bit.

>

> Chuck

> >

> >

> > Oh my gosh Chuck, so sorry to hear that you and your family and your

> > son are having to deal with this. It does take a toll being in the

> > hospital for any length of time but when it is your child, it must be

> > incredible more difficult. Is this the son that is dealing with

> > autism? You and your son will be in my prayers.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Chuck. I'm so glad to hear your son is doing well.

I presume he had mechanical valves rather than biologic ones; is that

right? If so I believe it's very important that the Coumadin levels be

properly set and maintained. It's also important to monitor any

condition that might result in a blood infection, as that can be disastrous.

Best of luck,

>

> Re: RT3

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> <mailto:gumboyaya@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20RT3> gumbo482001

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> Thu May 22, 2008 3:34 pm (PDT)

>

> Venizia,

>

> You wrote:

> > ... Thanks for letting me know...,.I would

> > have made a fool of myself at the doctors office tomorrow.

>

> Just trying to help. This week I have been " cramming " medical

> information at the local CVICU, where my son is recovering from two

> heart valve replacements. Nothing to do with the thyroid, but I am

> amazed at the changes in technology over the years. My wife and I have

> been sharing 24 hour shifts for the last ten days. That may explain my

> lack of posting recently.

>

> After eight days in ICU, he was moved to a " regular " room last night.

> The prognosis is good.

>

> Chuck

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Chuck,

I am so saddened to hear of this. It is really tragic. How can they

justify a ruling like that. It is inhumane. Another sad commentary on

how these United States are changing.

Venizia

-- In hypothyroidism , <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

>

>

> Dear Dr. Gracia,

>

> Thank you for your kind words earlier and for this diagnosis.

However, my son's condition without doubt is congenital, the result of

the accidental spraying of cotton defoliant on my wife when she was

about six weeks pregnant with Mike. The result was a rather well known

constellation of birth defects known as Noonan's Syndrome. This

syndrome is characterized by poor muscle tone and weak connective

tissue, including problems with the heart valves. Again, his valve

problems are characteristic of his congenital syndrome and have

nothing to do with iodine status. He does not have hypoT symptoms or a

high TSH. We check that at least once each year.

>

> Curiously, the court in Arizona ruled that we (and countless other

people affected by dioxin contaminants in defoliants) could not sue

either the careless pilot, his crop dusting company, or the growers

that hired him, because the welfare of the Arizona agribusiness was

deemed to have precedence over the health of any individual who might

inadvertently bear the risk of conducting that agribusiness.

>

> Chuck

>

>

> >

> > MVP is a thyroid symptom, I believe Shomon writes about this.

> > your son really needs iodine! but his TSH will probly always be

low b/c of it. He won't even get thyroid hormone.

> > Gracia

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Chuck,

Did you get a chance to look at my adrenal numbers. Are these

considered severe?

Your observation eases my mind somewhat but I will have to see how I

do before I can be sure. I am glad you responded....was waiting for

you to respond!

Venizia

> >

> > NOW he says these are not a problem and that when I treat my RT3 issue

> > that should help with the adrenal numbers. I know, I know....I think I

> > need to treat the adrenal issue or the Rt3 will not resolve, right....

>

think he is right. The usual recommendation is to work on adrenals

> before thyroid replacement, but that means severe adrenal con>

Iditions,

> not marginal ones. And, RT3 trumps even pretty severe adrenals.

>

> Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

I think he is completely wrong. This is the allopathic approach--doesn't seem

to correspond to the experiences on the internet lists.

more time and money wasted.

Gracia

Venizia,

You wrote:

>

> NOW he says these are not a problem and that when I treat my RT3 issue

> that should help with the adrenal numbers. I know, I know....I think I

> need to treat the adrenal issue or the Rt3 will not resolve, right....

I think he is right. The usual recommendation is to work on adrenals

before thyroid replacement, but that means severe adrenal conditions,

not marginal ones. And, RT3 trumps even pretty severe adrenals.

Chuck

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So as I sit here a complete mess, my doctor is on vacation. Said I

could page him if I need. My saliva test also says I have an issue

with small intestines and wheat, barley, oat,grains. That on top of my

sulfite issue and certain veggies I am supposed to stay away from

because of this thyroid issue, leaves me what, to eat???? I am very

depressed today, did not sleep well last night and I feel I have no

where to turn. I can't self medicate because I cannot afford to not

have my insurance pay for my meds. I know, you would say your health

comes first but hey ya' need to eat too. Oh ya' hmmm there's not much

of that for me either....sorry feeling sorry for myself today. I know

there are bigger problems out there. Just needed to vent. Sorry.

Venizia

> >

> > NOW he says these are not a problem and that when I treat my RT3

issue

> > that should help with the adrenal numbers. I know, I know....I

think I

> > need to treat the adrenal issue or the Rt3 will not resolve,

right....

>

> I think he is right. The usual recommendation is to work on adrenals

> before thyroid replacement, but that means severe adrenal conditions,

> not marginal ones. And, RT3 trumps even pretty severe adrenals.

>

> Chuck

>

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Gosh Gracia! What is wrong? You always seem so up. This is really

strange for you. Is it thyroid related? I totally understand how you

feel. I have to think about, do I really want to walk all the way to

the other side of the house. I think my husband is ready to disown

me. But him being so dam quiet when I don't feel good drives me up a

wall. At least ask me whats wrong. If he plays one more game of

solitare, I am going to cut up those cards. Gosh, listen to me, I

know I don't feel well because I am very intolerant of anything. Not

me at all.

You do what you need to to get those tickets and YOU GO AND ENJOY

YOURSELF! You work too hard and you deserve this for yourself.

Have a great trip and let me know how it went!

-- In hypothyroidism , " Gracia " <circe@...> wrote:

>

>

> I know--it is a bummer--can't even afford food that we are not

supposed to eat! I am struggling too today. I feel good and I even

have a week off from stupid work! (what they will do without me I

don't know!) but I am supposed to go to Panama in a few days and

don't even have a ticket. I just want to do nothing. Actually I'd

like to be in Panama but don't want the hassle of getting there.

> Gracia

>

> So as I sit here a complete mess, my doctor is on vacation. Said I

> could page him if I need. My saliva test also says I have an issue

> with small intestines and wheat, barley, oat,grains. That on top of my

> sulfite issue and certain veggies I am supposed to stay away from

> because of this thyroid issue, leaves me what, to eat???? I am very

> depressed today, did not sleep well last night and I feel I have no

> where to turn. I can't self medicate because I cannot afford to not

> have my insurance pay for my meds. I know, you would say your health

> comes first but hey ya' need to eat too. Oh ya' hmmm there's not much

> of that for me either....sorry feeling sorry for myself today. I know

> there are bigger problems out there. Just needed to vent. Sorry.

>

> Venizia

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Now I know I am loopy, I didn't even sign the post!!!

Venizia

> >

> >

> > I know--it is a bummer--can't even afford food that we are not

> supposed to eat! I am struggling too today. I feel good and I even

> have a week off from stupid work! (what they will do without me I

> don't know!) but I am supposed to go to Panama in a few days and

> don't even have a ticket. I just want to do nothing. Actually I'd

> like to be in Panama but don't want the hassle of getting there.

> > Gracia

> >

> > So as I sit here a complete mess, my doctor is on vacation. Said I

> > could page him if I need. My saliva test also says I have an issue

> > with small intestines and wheat, barley, oat,grains. That on top

of my

> > sulfite issue and certain veggies I am supposed to stay away from

> > because of this thyroid issue, leaves me what, to eat???? I am very

> > depressed today, did not sleep well last night and I feel I have no

> > where to turn. I can't self medicate because I cannot afford to not

> > have my insurance pay for my meds. I know, you would say your health

> > comes first but hey ya' need to eat too. Oh ya' hmmm there's not

much

> > of that for me either....sorry feeling sorry for myself today. I

know

> > there are bigger problems out there. Just needed to vent. Sorry.

> >

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Hi

you can get tested for it with Genova diagnostics:

http://www.gdx.uk.net/index.php?option=com_gpanel & Itemid=2 & task=view & nav=doc & id=\

20

you'd need to get a phlebotomist to take your blood for you - maybe your GP

practice could do this if not you'd have to pay at a private hospital like Bupa

-it's about £15 normally though i've been quoted £30 somewhere else.

Chris

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As I don't believe they do this within the NHS you could get

tested through Genova Diagnostics www.gdx.uk.net

Luv -=Sheila

does anyone have rt3?

how would i go about getting tested for it?

TAnya.x

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> As I don't believe they do this within the NHS you could get tested through

> Genova Diagnostics www.gdx.uk.net

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> Luv -=Sheila

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> does anyone have rt3?

> how would i go about getting tested for it?

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> if its found i do have this what is the treatment for it?

.x

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Roni,

You wrote:

> ...they will do the test as soon as they get the equipment. I asked her

> if the blood will still be viable for testing and she said, Oh yes. It

> doesn't make sense to me.

>

They freeze the sample. Usually what is missing is the specific antibody

reagent from the manufacturer. The equipment to read it, whether

fluorescent or radiographic, should already be there.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Oh thank you for clearing this up for me. I never heard of a lab not having what

it needed to do it's testing.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

> ...they will do the test as soon as they get the equipment. I asked her

> if the blood will still be viable for testing and she said, Oh yes. It

> doesn't make sense to me.

>

They freeze the sample. Usually what is missing is the specific antibody

reagent from the manufacturer. The equipment to read it, whether

fluorescent or radiographic, should already be there.

Chuck

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RT3 increases stem from toxic livers (to name just one). They also come in times of illness and stress. So if she is detoxing and overtaxing the liver then iodine may be contributing to it indirectly.

Steph

RT3

do you know if iodine will have any effect on RT3? i think my daughter may be dealing with issues here...we just cannot get her temp to stay over 97.1....if we raise NT her temp may go up to about 97.6 then after a few days it drops again and stays low....we are also treating low ferritin with iron supps...she will get new blood work next month...what else would cause this kind of pattern?

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so then maybe by pulse dosing the iodine by taking weekends off that might be able to help if that is the case...correct?From: ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...>Subject: Re: RT3iodine Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 9:54 AM

RT3 increases stem from toxic livers (to name just one). They also come in times of illness and stress. So if she is detoxing and overtaxing the liver then iodine may be contributing to it indirectly.

Steph

RT3

do you know if iodine will have any effect on RT3? i think my daughter may be dealing with issues here...we just cannot get her temp to stay over 97.1....if we raise NT her temp may go up to about 97.6 then after a few days it drops again and stays low....we are also treating low ferritin with iron supps...she will get new blood work next month...what else would cause this kind of pattern?

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I think you will need to support the liver too.

Steph

RT3

do you know if iodine will have any effect on RT3? i think my daughter may be dealing with issues here...we just cannot get her temp to stay over 97.1....if we raise NT her temp may go up to about 97.6 then after a few days it drops again and stays low....we are also treating low ferritin with iron supps...she will get new blood work next month...what else would cause this kind of pattern?

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the link, to tell you the truth it's a little over my head. I will

look into the cytomel though. I'm not on any thyroid meds.Is it true that

increased cortisol could have a role in the elevated rt3? My adrenal functions

were somewhat depressed. I haven't had them checked lately. I am currently

taking an herbal supplement to help the adrenals. Possibly they are over

producing cortisol now. I don't know how fast hormones could change. Thanks

again.

>

> If RT3 is high, the thyroid hormones are not getting converted from T4 to T3

and are not getting into the cells in your body where they are needed...

>

> Typically T3 only meds will work to clear out excess ( you can use compounded,

but many just use rx Cytomel)...I forget Jim, are you on any thyroid meds at

this time? If not, looks like your body is converting T4 to Reverse T3 (instead

of into T3) ..here is some reading on the subject (don't fall asleep now):

>

> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FDN/is_4_5/ai_65068470/

>

> El

>

[Guest guest]

Jim, yes this hormone stuff can be pretty complex..but, you will soon be an

expert on yours. Know your doc is testing all this stuff, because if you don't

get adrenals and thyroid handled, everything else a waste of time..hormones

change hourly in those of us w/multiple challenges (just be grateful you don't

have menopause to add to the lot-- LOL!)

Phil may have pointed you here for the nuts and bolts of thyroid/adrenals/RT3:

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/long-and-pathetic/

and adrenal basics:

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/

and RT3:

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/2009/11/18/reverse-t3/

Adrenal function best done by 24 hr saliva test--have you done that?

You need to be off supplements (what are you taking by the way?) for 2 weeks to

do the test in order to get a handle on whether yours is low or high (same

symptom set)or normal...adrenals and their hormones pretty important in sugar

regulation and by proxy, water / salt balance in the body..some very important

hormones being produced in adrenals, including your s*x hormones, so getting to

the right core issue is key..yes, cortisol issues do affect production of RT3..

El