Guest guest Posted May 22, 2008 Report Share Posted May 22, 2008 Venizia, You wrote: > ... Thanks for letting me know...,.I would > have made a fool of myself at the doctors office tomorrow. Just trying to help. This week I have been " cramming " medical information at the local CVICU, where my son is recovering from two heart valve replacements. Nothing to do with the thyroid, but I am amazed at the changes in technology over the years. My wife and I have been sharing 24 hour shifts for the last ten days. That may explain my lack of posting recently. After eight days in ICU, he was moved to a " regular " room last night. The prognosis is good. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2008 Report Share Posted May 22, 2008 , You wrote: > ... I'm just writing to let you now > I am sending you all warm, positive healing thoughts and wishes. Thanks. We have had the benefits of such thoughts and prayers from all the major monotheistic groups, including chants from at least two forms of Buddhism. I am grateful to all. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2008 Report Share Posted May 22, 2008 Does using antihistamines affect thyroid function? Pollen is at its highest ever in land and just about everyone , including me, is taking pills to try and reduce hayfever symptoms. Dusty _____ .. <http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=145664/grpspId=1709251082/msgId= 38552/stime=1211498234/nc1=5191951/nc2=5191950/nc3=5170418> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2008 Report Share Posted May 22, 2008 Your family is in my prayers Chuck. It's a good thing, yes, that your son is out of ICU - one step closer to home and healing. Good thoughts and prayers to you. Dusty _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2008 Report Share Posted May 22, 2008 not that I am aware of. I just checked epocrates. nancie From: Dusty Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 8:25 PM hypothyroidism Subject: RE: Re: RT3 Does using antihistamines affect thyroid function? Pollen is at its highest ever in land and just about everyone , including me, is taking pills to try and reduce hayfever symptoms. Dusty _____ .. <http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=145664/grpspId=1709251082/msgId= 38552/stime=1211498234/nc1=5191951/nc2=5191950/nc3=5170418> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2008 Report Share Posted May 22, 2008 chuck- sorry to hear about your son. why did he need 2 valves replaced? sending lots of healing prayers his way. nancie From: Chuck B Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 3:34 PM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Re: RT3 Venizia, You wrote: > ... Thanks for letting me know...,.I would > have made a fool of myself at the doctors office tomorrow. Just trying to help. This week I have been " cramming " medical information at the local CVICU, where my son is recovering from two heart valve replacements. Nothing to do with the thyroid, but I am amazed at the changes in technology over the years. My wife and I have been sharing 24 hour shifts for the last ten days. That may explain my lack of posting recently. After eight days in ICU, he was moved to a " regular " room last night. The prognosis is good. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Venizia, Thank you. Yes, the autism complicates things a bit. Chuck > > > Oh my gosh Chuck, so sorry to hear that you and your family and your > son are having to deal with this. It does take a toll being in the > hospital for any length of time but when it is your child, it must be > incredible more difficult. Is this the son that is dealing with > autism? You and your son will be in my prayers. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Dusty wrote: > > > Does using antihistamines affect thyroid function? Not supposed to, but the side effects are very similar to hypoT symptoms. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Dusty, Thank you. Chuck > > > Your family is in my prayers Chuck. It's a good thing, yes, that your son > is out of ICU - one step closer to home and healing. > > Good thoughts and prayers to you. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Nancie, You wrote: > > sorry to hear about your son. why did he need 2 valves replaced? sending > lots of healing prayers his way. Thanks. Pulomonary valve was stenosed at birth and had to be opened then. However, it was never very efficient as a valve. The mitral valve prolapse had gradually gotten worse. Three months ago we noticed edema and discoloration associated with cardiac insufficiency. We found an amazing surgeon. This was his third open heart procedure, so it took about eight hours. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Chuck MVP is a thyroid symptom, I believe Shomon writes about this. your son really needs iodine! but his TSH will probly always be low b/c of it. He won't even get thyroid hormone. Gracia Nancie, You wrote: > > sorry to hear about your son. why did he need 2 valves replaced? sending > lots of healing prayers his way. Thanks. Pulomonary valve was stenosed at birth and had to be opened then. However, it was never very efficient as a valve. The mitral valve prolapse had gradually gotten worse. Three months ago we noticed edema and discoloration associated with cardiac insufficiency. We found an amazing surgeon. This was his third open heart procedure, so it took about eight hours. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Dear Dr. Gracia, Thank you for your kind words earlier and for this diagnosis. However, my son's condition without doubt is congenital, the result of the accidental spraying of cotton defoliant on my wife when she was about six weeks pregnant with Mike. The result was a rather well known constellation of birth defects known as Noonan's Syndrome. This syndrome is characterized by poor muscle tone and weak connective tissue, including problems with the heart valves. Again, his valve problems are characteristic of his congenital syndrome and have nothing to do with iodine status. He does not have hypoT symptoms or a high TSH. We check that at least once each year. Curiously, the court in Arizona ruled that we (and countless other people affected by dioxin contaminants in defoliants) could not sue either the careless pilot, his crop dusting company, or the growers that hired him, because the welfare of the Arizona agribusiness was deemed to have precedence over the health of any individual who might inadvertently bear the risk of conducting that agribusiness. Chuck > > MVP is a thyroid symptom, I believe Shomon writes about this. > your son really needs iodine! but his TSH will probly always be low b/c of it. He won't even get thyroid hormone. > Gracia > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Dear Dr. Gracia, Thank you for your kind words earlier and for this diagnosis. However, my son's condition without doubt is congenital, the result of the accidental spraying of cotton defoliant on my wife when she was about six weeks pregnant with Mike. The result was a rather well known constellation of birth defects known as Noonan's Syndrome. This syndrome is characterized by poor muscle tone and weak connective tissue, including problems with the heart valves. Again, his valve problems are characteristic of his congenital syndrome and have nothing to do with iodine status. He does not have hypoT symptoms or a high TSH. We check that at least once each year. Curiously, the court in Arizona ruled that we (and countless other people affected by dioxin contaminants in defoliants) could not sue either the careless pilot, his crop dusting company, or the growers that hired him, because the welfare of the Arizona agribusiness was deemed to have precedence over the health of any individual who might inadvertently bear the risk of conducting that agribusiness. Chuck > > MVP is a thyroid symptom, I believe Shomon writes about this. > your son really needs iodine! but his TSH will probly always be low b/c of it. He won't even get thyroid hormone. > Gracia > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 , Thanks, you wrote: > I presume he had mechanical valves rather than biologic ones; is that > right? ... He had nothing but his own valves until about ten days ago. Since his mitral valve is now mechanical, he will, indeed, need coumadin for the rest of his life. The alternative would only have worked for about 10-12 years and then would have required a FOURTH open heart procedure. Although that would avoid the complication of coumadin and the associated monitoring, the surgeon that could perform that miracle is not within 300 miles of us. The one that performed the current miracle will retire by then. No one knows how long a pyrolytic carbon valve will last. Most of the first ones implanted are still working. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Venizia, You wrote: > > I am so saddened to hear of this. It is really tragic. How can they > justify a ruling like that. It is inhumane. Another sad commentary on > how these United States are changing. The ruling was actually back in the 1980s. None of the victims were wealthy enough to appeal the ruling. Money has always talked. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Venizia, You wrote: > > I am so saddened to hear of this. It is really tragic. How can they > justify a ruling like that. It is inhumane. Another sad commentary on > how these United States are changing. The ruling was actually back in the 1980s. None of the victims were wealthy enough to appeal the ruling. Money has always talked. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 you will eat your words one day Dr. Chuck. and I will have a free dinner. Dear Dr. Gracia, Thank you for your kind words earlier and for this diagnosis. However, my son's condition without doubt is congenital, the result of the accidental spraying of cotton defoliant on my wife when she was about six weeks pregnant with Mike. The result was a rather well known constellation of birth defects known as Noonan's Syndrome. This syndrome is characterized by poor muscle tone and weak connective tissue, including problems with the heart valves. Again, his valve problems are characteristic of his congenital syndrome and have nothing to do with iodine status. He does not have hypoT symptoms or a high TSH. We check that at least once each year. Curiously, the court in Arizona ruled that we (and countless other people affected by dioxin contaminants in defoliants) could not sue either the careless pilot, his crop dusting company, or the growers that hired him, because the welfare of the Arizona agribusiness was deemed to have precedence over the health of any individual who might inadvertently bear the risk of conducting that agribusiness. Chuck > > MVP is a thyroid symptom, I believe Shomon writes about this. > your son really needs iodine! but his TSH will probly always be low b/c of it. He won't even get thyroid hormone. > Gracia > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2008 Report Share Posted July 26, 2008 Venizia, You wrote: > > Did you get a chance to look at my adrenal numbers. Are these > considered severe?... Not to me. They are consistently below the reference range, which means it is well worth keeping an eye on it, just in case your test caught your adrenals on a " good " day. The ambiguity with adrenal tests is that they can vary with all sorts of conditions, particularly stress, infection, inflammation, and caffeine intake. In this case, you have a potent cause to consider, the RT3. That is why I think your doctor is correct to take care of that first and then come back to the adrenals. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 I just need to do NOTHING for a while. my house is so dirty, but I did clean a little today. I just want to hang out with the schnauzers and 3 black kitties---sleep and eat Gracia Gosh Gracia! What is wrong? You always seem so up. This is really strange for you. Is it thyroid related? I totally understand how you feel. I have to think about, do I really want to walk all the way to the other side of the house. I think my husband is ready to disown me. But him being so dam quiet when I don't feel good drives me up a wall. At least ask me whats wrong. If he plays one more game of solitare, I am going to cut up those cards. Gosh, listen to me, I know I don't feel well because I am very intolerant of anything. Not me at all. You do what you need to to get those tickets and YOU GO AND ENJOY YOURSELF! You work too hard and you deserve this for yourself. Have a great trip and let me know how it went! -- Recent Activity a.. 14New Members Visit Your Group Meditation and Lovingkindness A Group to share and learn. Health Achy Joint? Common arthritis myths debunked. Latest product news Join Mod. Central stay connected. . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.6/1575 - Release Date: 7/26/2008 4:18 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2008 Report Share Posted July 27, 2008 Venizia, You wrote: > ... My saliva test also says I have an issue > with small intestines and wheat, barley, oat,grains.... If you are really sensitive to gluten, that could explain most of your other symptoms and test results. Fortunately the grocery stores are starting to catch on about gluten sensitivity. Our little IGA has an entire aisle that is gluten free. The catch is that you have to be very careful to avoid even small amounts of contamination, which eliminates a lot of restaurants, processed foods, and convenience places. I have heard that restaurants and doctors in Europe are way ahead of us in this. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Yes, it's a simple logical progression if one is suffering AF they feel like crap. " Feeling like crap " is stressful, so rT3 is elevated. I n most cases, I use a desiccated complete thyroid product first, rather than T3 only. Often times this does the trick, as the free T3 thus added is sufficient, all the while offering a more normal hormonal milieu of T4 (and others), while enzyme D1 picks up, thus shunting T4 to T3. But sometimes we need a bit of T3 (Cytomel) on top of that, to get the motor running. But it's the activity of D1 that is exactly the problem, so we do need to push T4 through it in order to affect a cure. This is a failing of T3 only-but sometimes you do need T3 as a " primer " . When DHEA is supplemented D1 picks up, BTW. Be well! Regards, Crisler, DO Anti-Aging Medicine The information contained in this message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above, and is protected by state and federal law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately, and delete the original message. We would certainly do the same for you. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of mbmom123 Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 5:34 AM Subject: Re: RT3 Jim, yes this hormone stuff can be pretty complex..but, you will soon be an expert on yours. Know your doc is testing all this stuff, because if you don't get adrenals and thyroid handled, everything else a waste of time..hormones change hourly in those of us w/multiple challenges (just be grateful you don't have menopause to add to the lot-- LOL!) Phil may have pointed you here for the nuts and bolts of thyroid/adrenals/RT3: http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/long-and-pathetic/ and adrenal basics: http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/ and RT3: http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/2009/11/18/reverse-t3/ Adrenal function best done by 24 hr saliva test--have you done that? You need to be off supplements (what are you taking by the way?) for 2 weeks to do the test in order to get a handle on whether yours is low or high (same symptom set)or normal...adrenals and their hormones pretty important in sugar regulation and by proxy, water / salt balance in the body..some very important hormones being produced in adrenals, including your s*x hormones, so getting to the right core issue is key..yes, cortisol issues do affect production of RT3.. El No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.91/2541 - Release Date: 12/02/09 19:43:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Hi El no it has not for me and I found that needing Florinef for my low Aldosterone levels my DHEA-S levels went from low range on DHEA to over the top of the range yet when I stopped taking 25 mgs of DHEA I felt off. Hardasnails says ranges are not good of this labs by age we need levels of a young person. As Cortisol levels fall so can DHEA for some reason it take a hit with low levels but as we bottom out they come back up. This is the only change I seen with being on HC meds Florinef is = 10 mgs of Cortef of HC. I am on 30 mgs of cortef a day 10 mgs at 5 to 6 am then 5mgs at 9am, 10 mgs at 1pm and 5 mgs at 6pm this is what works for me. In this link they show the stages of Adrenal Fatigue and how high to low levels of Cortisol have an effect on DHEA. I feel better taking it. http://www.chronicfatigue.org/ASI%201%20.html This link is like a short verson of STTM in this is the FAQ's I helped with about Adreanls at STTM. http://livingnetwork.co.za/hormones/adrenal-fatigue/ In this link it's about the Adrenal glands and what can go wrong with them even about low Aldosterone levels and how ones body will dump there sodium. http://www.tuberose.com/Adrenal_Glands.html Co-Moderator Phil > From: mbmom123 <dbkczar@...> > Subject: Re: RT3 > > Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 7:31 AM > Dr. , does DHEA lower cortisol in > those of us with already very low levels (and on HC)? El > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Very true in my case I was on every kind of TRT out there for 23 yrs never got past the bad fatigue or felt 100%. Most of my hormone labs were low normal then 4 yrs ago I find out I am not Primary but I am Secondary now treating Adrenals with 30 mg a day of Cortef, my low Aldosterone levels with Florinef and Sea Salt added to my water. I now treat my Thyroid with 4 grains of Armour a day and found out my Ferritin levels were low and now have to take Iron pills. This week I am starting on Growth Hormone. Having these low hormones for so low my Heart Dr. feels was a big part of my heart needing bypass sugary. Problem is most Dr. see labs in range and that's it. Co-Moderator Phil > From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...> > Subject: Re: RT3 > > Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 9:31 AM > Most likely due to what every reason, > When starting trt it can reveal hidden issues most likely > adrenal or thyroid which cause the gel not to be absorbed > properly due to the thickness of the skin. Now what > needs to be assessed is that treating the underlying issue > or jumping right to shots needs to be further looked at. If > one jumps to shots right away and the underlying issue is > something elese. The shots would solve the problem, but > since we know its adrenal issues then this also has to be > addressed as well. > > > > > > Jim, yes this hormone stuff can be pretty > complex..but, you will soon be an expert on yours. Know your > doc is testing all this stuff, because if you don't get > adrenals and thyroid handled, everything else a waste of > time..hormones change hourly in those of us w/multiple > challenges (just be grateful you don't have menopause to add > to the lot-- LOL!) > > > > Phil may have pointed you here for the nuts and bolts > of thyroid/adrenals/RT3: > > > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/long-and-pathetic/ > > > > and adrenal basics: > > > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/ > > > > and RT3: > > > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/2009/11/18/reverse-t3/ > > > > Adrenal function best done by 24 hr saliva test--have > you done that? > > You need to be off supplements (what are you taking by > the way?) for 2 weeks to do the test in order to get a > handle on whether yours is low or high (same symptom set)or > normal...adrenals and their hormones pretty important in > sugar regulation and by proxy, water / salt balance in the > body..some very important hormones being produced in > adrenals, including your s*x hormones, so getting to the > right core issue is key..yes, cortisol issues do affect > production of RT3.. > > > > El > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 It looks like the gels and creams don't work for you as T levels fall so dose E2 going on shots 100 mgs a week with 250 IU's of HCG the 2 days each before your next shot in time will bring both back up. Co-Moderator Phil > From: jim <virtuosa150@...> > Subject: Re: RT3 > > Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 10:02 AM > How can the E2 be raised. It seems to > be going the other way. The compunded cream doesn't work. > Would starting with a higher dose of injected T and hcg, > then working backwards with dose be a logical approach? > Sometimes a bigger hammer is needed. > > > > > > > > > > Yes, it's a simple logical progression if > one is suffering AF they feel like > > > > crap. " Feeling like crap " is stressful, so > rT3 is elevated. > > > > > > > >Â > > > > > > > > I n most cases, I use a desiccated complete > thyroid product first, rather > > > > than T3 only. Often times this does the > trick, as the free T3 thus added is > > > > sufficient, all the while offering a more > normal hormonal milieu of T4 (and > > > > others), while enzyme D1 picks up, thus > shunting T4 to T3. But sometimes we > > > > need a bit of T3 (Cytomel) on top of that, > to get the motor running. But > > > > it's the activity of D1 that is exactly the > problem, so we do need to push > > > > T4 through it in order to affect a cure. > This is a failing of T3 only-but > > > > sometimes you do need T3 as a " primer " . > > > > > > > >Â > > > > > > > > When DHEA is supplemented D1 picks up, BTW. > > > > > > > >Â > > > > > > > > Be well! > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Crisler, DO > > > > > > > > Anti-Aging Medicine > > > > > > > > The information contained in this message is > intended only for the personal > > > > and confidential use of the recipient(s) > named above, and is protected by > > > > state and federal law. If the reader of this > message is not the intended > > > > recipient or an agent responsible for > delivering it to the > > > > intended recipient, you are hereby notified > that you have received this > > > > document in error and that any review, > dissemination, distribution, or > > > > copying of this message is strictly > prohibited. If you have received this > > > > communication in error, please notify us > immediately, and delete the > > > > original message. We would certainly do the > same for you. > > > > > > > > From: > [mailto: ] > > > > On Behalf Of mbmom123 > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 5:34 AM > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: RT3 > > > > > > > >Â > > > > > > > >Â Â Â > > > > > > > > Jim, yes this hormone stuff can be pretty > complex..but, you will soon be an > > > > expert on yours. Know your doc is testing > all this stuff, because if you > > > > don't get adrenals and thyroid handled, > everything else a waste of > > > > time..hormones change hourly in those of us > w/multiple challenges (just be > > > > grateful you don't have menopause to add to > the lot-- LOL!) > > > > > > > > Phil may have pointed you here for the nuts > and bolts of > > > > thyroid/adrenals/RT3: > > > > > > > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/long-and-pathetic/ > > > > > > > > and adrenal basics: > > > > > > > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/ > > > > > > > > and RT3: > > > > > > > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/2009/11/18/reverse-t3/ > > > > > > > > Adrenal function best done by 24 hr saliva > test--have you done that? > > > > You need to be off supplements (what are you > taking by the way?) for 2 weeks > > > > to do the test in order to get a handle on > whether yours is low or high > > > > (same symptom set)or normal...adrenals and > their hormones pretty important > > > > in sugar regulation and by proxy, water / > salt balance in the body..some > > > > very important hormones being produced in > adrenals, including your s*x > > > > hormones, so getting to the right core issue > is key..yes, cortisol issues do > > > > affect production of RT3.. > > > > > > > > El > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > > > Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: > 270.14.91/2541 - Release Date: 12/02/09 > > > > 19:43:00 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 In your last link is a link I think can be missed and is a good artical about how to tell if your RT3 is to high and how to address this. http://thyroid-rt3.com/ Co-Moderator Phil > > > From: mbmom123 <dbkczar@...> > > Subject: Re: RT3 > > > > Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 7:31 AM > > Dr. , does DHEA lower cortisol in > > those of us with already very low levels (and on HC)? > El > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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