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Venizia,

You wrote:

> ... Thanks for letting me know...,.I would

> have made a fool of myself at the doctors office tomorrow.

Just trying to help. This week I have been " cramming " medical

information at the local CVICU, where my son is recovering from two

heart valve replacements. Nothing to do with the thyroid, but I am

amazed at the changes in technology over the years. My wife and I have

been sharing 24 hour shifts for the last ten days. That may explain my

lack of posting recently. :)

After eight days in ICU, he was moved to a " regular " room last night.

The prognosis is good.

Chuck

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> ... I'm just writing to let you now

> I am sending you all warm, positive healing thoughts and wishes.

Thanks. We have had the benefits of such thoughts and prayers from all

the major monotheistic groups, including chants from at least two forms

of Buddhism. I am grateful to all.

Chuck

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Your family is in my prayers Chuck. It's a good thing, yes, that your son

is out of ICU - one step closer to home and healing.

Good thoughts and prayers to you.

Dusty

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not that I am aware of. I just checked epocrates.

nancie

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Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 8:25 PM

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Does using antihistamines affect thyroid function? Pollen is at its

highest ever in land and just about everyone , including me, is taking

pills to try and reduce hayfever symptoms.

Dusty

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chuck-

sorry to hear about your son. why did he need 2 valves replaced? sending lots

of healing prayers his way.

nancie

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Venizia,

You wrote:

> ... Thanks for letting me know...,.I would

> have made a fool of myself at the doctors office tomorrow.

Just trying to help. This week I have been " cramming " medical

information at the local CVICU, where my son is recovering from two

heart valve replacements. Nothing to do with the thyroid, but I am

amazed at the changes in technology over the years. My wife and I have

been sharing 24 hour shifts for the last ten days. That may explain my

lack of posting recently. :)

After eight days in ICU, he was moved to a " regular " room last night.

The prognosis is good.

Chuck

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Venizia,

Thank you. Yes, the autism complicates things a bit.

Chuck

>

>

> Oh my gosh Chuck, so sorry to hear that you and your family and your

> son are having to deal with this. It does take a toll being in the

> hospital for any length of time but when it is your child, it must be

> incredible more difficult. Is this the son that is dealing with

> autism? You and your son will be in my prayers.

>

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>

> Does using antihistamines affect thyroid function?

Not supposed to, but the side effects are very similar to hypoT symptoms.

Chuck

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Dusty,

Thank you.

Chuck

>

>

> Your family is in my prayers Chuck. It's a good thing, yes, that your son

> is out of ICU - one step closer to home and healing.

>

> Good thoughts and prayers to you.

>

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Nancie,

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> sorry to hear about your son. why did he need 2 valves replaced? sending

> lots of healing prayers his way.

Thanks. Pulomonary valve was stenosed at birth and had to be opened

then. However, it was never very efficient as a valve. The mitral valve

prolapse had gradually gotten worse. Three months ago we noticed edema

and discoloration associated with cardiac insufficiency.

We found an amazing surgeon. This was his third open heart procedure, so

it took about eight hours.

Chuck

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Chuck

MVP is a thyroid symptom, I believe Shomon writes about this.

your son really needs iodine! but his TSH will probly always be low b/c of

it. He won't even get thyroid hormone.

Gracia

Nancie,

You wrote:

>

> sorry to hear about your son. why did he need 2 valves replaced? sending

> lots of healing prayers his way.

Thanks. Pulomonary valve was stenosed at birth and had to be opened

then. However, it was never very efficient as a valve. The mitral valve

prolapse had gradually gotten worse. Three months ago we noticed edema

and discoloration associated with cardiac insufficiency.

We found an amazing surgeon. This was his third open heart procedure, so

it took about eight hours.

Chuck

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Dear Dr. Gracia,

Thank you for your kind words earlier and for this diagnosis. However, my son's

condition without doubt is congenital, the result of the accidental spraying of

cotton defoliant on my wife when she was about six weeks pregnant with Mike. The

result was a rather well known constellation of birth defects known as Noonan's

Syndrome. This syndrome is characterized by poor muscle tone and weak connective

tissue, including problems with the heart valves. Again, his valve problems are

characteristic of his congenital syndrome and have nothing to do with iodine

status. He does not have hypoT symptoms or a high TSH. We check that at least

once each year.

Curiously, the court in Arizona ruled that we (and countless other people

affected by dioxin contaminants in defoliants) could not sue either the careless

pilot, his crop dusting company, or the growers that hired him, because the

welfare of the Arizona agribusiness was deemed to have precedence over the

health of any individual who might inadvertently bear the risk of conducting

that agribusiness.

Chuck

>

> MVP is a thyroid symptom, I believe Shomon writes about this.

> your son really needs iodine! but his TSH will probly always be low b/c of

it. He won't even get thyroid hormone.

> Gracia

>

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Dear Dr. Gracia,

Thank you for your kind words earlier and for this diagnosis. However, my son's

condition without doubt is congenital, the result of the accidental spraying of

cotton defoliant on my wife when she was about six weeks pregnant with Mike. The

result was a rather well known constellation of birth defects known as Noonan's

Syndrome. This syndrome is characterized by poor muscle tone and weak connective

tissue, including problems with the heart valves. Again, his valve problems are

characteristic of his congenital syndrome and have nothing to do with iodine

status. He does not have hypoT symptoms or a high TSH. We check that at least

once each year.

Curiously, the court in Arizona ruled that we (and countless other people

affected by dioxin contaminants in defoliants) could not sue either the careless

pilot, his crop dusting company, or the growers that hired him, because the

welfare of the Arizona agribusiness was deemed to have precedence over the

health of any individual who might inadvertently bear the risk of conducting

that agribusiness.

Chuck

>

> MVP is a thyroid symptom, I believe Shomon writes about this.

> your son really needs iodine! but his TSH will probly always be low b/c of

it. He won't even get thyroid hormone.

> Gracia

>

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Thanks, you wrote:

> I presume he had mechanical valves rather than biologic ones; is that

> right? ...

He had nothing but his own valves until about ten days ago. Since his mitral

valve is now mechanical, he will, indeed, need coumadin for the rest of his

life. The alternative would only have worked for about 10-12 years and then

would have required a FOURTH open heart procedure. Although that would avoid the

complication of coumadin and the associated monitoring, the surgeon that could

perform that miracle is not within 300 miles of us. The one that performed the

current miracle will retire by then.

No one knows how long a pyrolytic carbon valve will last. Most of the first ones

implanted are still working.

Chuck

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Venizia,

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> I am so saddened to hear of this. It is really tragic. How can they

> justify a ruling like that. It is inhumane. Another sad commentary on

> how these United States are changing.

The ruling was actually back in the 1980s. None of the victims were wealthy

enough to appeal the ruling. Money has always talked.

Chuck

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Venizia,

You wrote:

>

> I am so saddened to hear of this. It is really tragic. How can they

> justify a ruling like that. It is inhumane. Another sad commentary on

> how these United States are changing.

The ruling was actually back in the 1980s. None of the victims were wealthy

enough to appeal the ruling. Money has always talked.

Chuck

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you will eat your words one day Dr. Chuck. and I will have a free dinner.

:)

Dear Dr. Gracia,

Thank you for your kind words earlier and for this diagnosis. However, my

son's condition without doubt is congenital, the result of the accidental

spraying of cotton defoliant on my wife when she was about six weeks pregnant

with Mike. The result was a rather well known constellation of birth defects

known as Noonan's Syndrome. This syndrome is characterized by poor muscle tone

and weak connective tissue, including problems with the heart valves. Again, his

valve problems are characteristic of his congenital syndrome and have nothing to

do with iodine status. He does not have hypoT symptoms or a high TSH. We check

that at least once each year.

Curiously, the court in Arizona ruled that we (and countless other people

affected by dioxin contaminants in defoliants) could not sue either the careless

pilot, his crop dusting company, or the growers that hired him, because the

welfare of the Arizona agribusiness was deemed to have precedence over the

health of any individual who might inadvertently bear the risk of conducting

that agribusiness.

Chuck

>

> MVP is a thyroid symptom, I believe Shomon writes about this.

> your son really needs iodine! but his TSH will probly always be low b/c of

it. He won't even get thyroid hormone.

> Gracia

>

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Venizia,

You wrote:

>

> Did you get a chance to look at my adrenal numbers. Are these

> considered severe?...

Not to me. They are consistently below the reference range, which means

it is well worth keeping an eye on it, just in case your test caught

your adrenals on a " good " day. The ambiguity with adrenal tests is that

they can vary with all sorts of conditions, particularly stress,

infection, inflammation, and caffeine intake. In this case, you have a

potent cause to consider, the RT3. That is why I think your doctor is

correct to take care of that first and then come back to the adrenals.

Chuck

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I just need to do NOTHING for a while. my house is so dirty, but I did clean

a little today. I just want to hang out with the schnauzers and 3 black

kitties---sleep and eat :)

Gracia

Gosh Gracia! What is wrong? You always seem so up. This is really

strange for you. Is it thyroid related? I totally understand how you

feel. I have to think about, do I really want to walk all the way to

the other side of the house. I think my husband is ready to disown

me. But him being so dam quiet when I don't feel good drives me up a

wall. At least ask me whats wrong. If he plays one more game of

solitare, I am going to cut up those cards. Gosh, listen to me, I

know I don't feel well because I am very intolerant of anything. Not

me at all.

You do what you need to to get those tickets and YOU GO AND ENJOY

YOURSELF! You work too hard and you deserve this for yourself.

Have a great trip and let me know how it went!

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Venizia,

You wrote:

> ... My saliva test also says I have an issue

> with small intestines and wheat, barley, oat,grains....

If you are really sensitive to gluten, that could explain most of your

other symptoms and test results. Fortunately the grocery stores are

starting to catch on about gluten sensitivity. Our little IGA has an

entire aisle that is gluten free. The catch is that you have to be very

careful to avoid even small amounts of contamination, which eliminates a

lot of restaurants, processed foods, and convenience places. I have

heard that restaurants and doctors in Europe are way ahead of us in this.

Chuck

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Yes, it's a simple logical progression if one is suffering AF they feel like

crap. " Feeling like crap " is stressful, so rT3 is elevated.

I n most cases, I use a desiccated complete thyroid product first, rather

than T3 only. Often times this does the trick, as the free T3 thus added is

sufficient, all the while offering a more normal hormonal milieu of T4 (and

others), while enzyme D1 picks up, thus shunting T4 to T3. But sometimes we

need a bit of T3 (Cytomel) on top of that, to get the motor running. But

it's the activity of D1 that is exactly the problem, so we do need to push

T4 through it in order to affect a cure. This is a failing of T3 only-but

sometimes you do need T3 as a " primer " .

When DHEA is supplemented D1 picks up, BTW.

Be well!

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Subject: Re: RT3

Jim, yes this hormone stuff can be pretty complex..but, you will soon be an

expert on yours. Know your doc is testing all this stuff, because if you

don't get adrenals and thyroid handled, everything else a waste of

time..hormones change hourly in those of us w/multiple challenges (just be

grateful you don't have menopause to add to the lot-- LOL!)

Phil may have pointed you here for the nuts and bolts of

thyroid/adrenals/RT3:

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/long-and-pathetic/

and adrenal basics:

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/

and RT3:

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/2009/11/18/reverse-t3/

Adrenal function best done by 24 hr saliva test--have you done that?

You need to be off supplements (what are you taking by the way?) for 2 weeks

to do the test in order to get a handle on whether yours is low or high

(same symptom set)or normal...adrenals and their hormones pretty important

in sugar regulation and by proxy, water / salt balance in the body..some

very important hormones being produced in adrenals, including your s*x

hormones, so getting to the right core issue is key..yes, cortisol issues do

affect production of RT3..

El

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Hi El no it has not for me and I found that needing Florinef for my low

Aldosterone levels my DHEA-S levels went from low range on DHEA to over the top

of the range yet when I stopped taking 25 mgs of DHEA I felt off. Hardasnails

says ranges are not good of this labs by age we need levels of a young person.

As Cortisol levels fall so can DHEA for some reason it take a hit with low

levels but as we bottom out they come back up.

This is the only change I seen with being on HC meds Florinef is = 10 mgs of

Cortef of HC. I am on 30 mgs of cortef a day 10 mgs at 5 to 6 am then 5mgs at

9am, 10 mgs at 1pm and 5 mgs at 6pm this is what works for me.

In this link they show the stages of Adrenal Fatigue and how high to low levels

of Cortisol have an effect on DHEA. I feel better taking it.

http://www.chronicfatigue.org/ASI%201%20.html

This link is like a short verson of STTM in this is the FAQ's I helped with

about Adreanls at STTM.

http://livingnetwork.co.za/hormones/adrenal-fatigue/

In this link it's about the Adrenal glands and what can go wrong with them even

about low Aldosterone levels and how ones body will dump there sodium.

http://www.tuberose.com/Adrenal_Glands.html

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> From: mbmom123 <dbkczar@...>

> Subject: Re: RT3

>

> Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 7:31 AM

> Dr. , does DHEA lower cortisol in

> those of us with already very low levels (and on HC)? El

>

>

>

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Very true in my case I was on every kind of TRT out there for 23 yrs never got

past the bad fatigue or felt 100%. Most of my hormone labs were low normal then

4 yrs ago I find out I am not Primary but I am Secondary now treating Adrenals

with 30 mg a day of Cortef, my low Aldosterone levels with Florinef and Sea

Salt added to my water. I now treat my Thyroid with 4 grains of Armour a day

and found out my Ferritin levels were low and now have to take Iron pills. This

week I am starting on Growth Hormone. Having these low hormones for so low my

Heart Dr. feels was a big part of my heart needing bypass sugary. Problem is

most Dr. see labs in range and that's it.

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> From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...>

> Subject: Re: RT3

>

> Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 9:31 AM

> Most likely due to what every reason,

> When starting trt it can reveal hidden issues most likely

> adrenal or thyroid which cause the gel not to be absorbed

> properly due to the thickness of the skin.  Now what

> needs to be assessed is that treating the underlying issue

> or jumping right to shots needs to be further looked at. If

> one jumps to shots right away and the underlying issue is

> something elese. The shots would solve the problem, but

> since we know its adrenal issues then this also has to be

> addressed as well.

>

>

> >

> > Jim, yes this hormone stuff can be pretty

> complex..but, you will soon be an expert on yours. Know your

> doc is testing all this stuff, because if you don't get

> adrenals and thyroid handled, everything else a waste of

> time..hormones change hourly in those of us w/multiple

> challenges (just be grateful you don't have menopause to add

> to the lot-- LOL!)

> >

> > Phil may have pointed you here for the nuts and bolts

> of thyroid/adrenals/RT3:

> >

> > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/long-and-pathetic/

> >

> > and adrenal basics:

> >

> > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/

> >

> > and RT3:

> >

> > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/2009/11/18/reverse-t3/

> >

> > Adrenal function best done by 24 hr saliva test--have

> you done that?

> > You need to be off supplements (what are you taking by

> the way?) for 2 weeks to do the test in order to get a

> handle on whether yours is low or high (same symptom set)or

> normal...adrenals and their hormones pretty important in

> sugar regulation and by proxy, water / salt balance in the

> body..some very important hormones being produced in

> adrenals, including your s*x hormones, so getting to the

> right core issue is key..yes, cortisol issues do affect

> production of RT3..

> >

> > El

> >

>

>

>

>

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It looks like the gels and creams don't work for you as T levels fall so dose E2

going on shots 100 mgs a week with 250 IU's of HCG the 2 days each before your

next shot in time will bring both back up.

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> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: RT3

>

> Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 10:02 AM

> How can the E2 be raised. It seems to

> be going the other way. The compunded cream doesn't work.

> Would starting with a higher dose of injected T and hcg,

> then working backwards with dose be a logical approach?

> Sometimes a bigger hammer is needed.

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Yes, it's a simple logical progression if

> one is suffering AF they feel like

> > > > crap. " Feeling like crap " is stressful, so

> rT3 is elevated.

> > > >

> > > > 

> > > >

> > > > I n most cases, I use a desiccated complete

> thyroid product first, rather

> > > > than T3 only. Often times this does the

> trick, as the free T3 thus added is

> > > > sufficient, all the while offering a more

> normal hormonal milieu of T4 (and

> > > > others), while enzyme D1 picks up, thus

> shunting T4 to T3. But sometimes we

> > > > need a bit of T3 (Cytomel) on top of that,

> to get the motor running. But

> > > > it's the activity of D1 that is exactly the

> problem, so we do need to push

> > > > T4 through it in order to affect a cure.

> This is a failing of T3 only-but

> > > > sometimes you do need T3 as a " primer " .

> > > >

> > > > 

> > > >

> > > > When DHEA is supplemented D1 picks up, BTW.

> > > >

> > > > 

> > > >

> > > > Be well!

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Crisler, DO

> > > >

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> > > >

> > > > Subject: Re: RT3

> > > >

> > > > 

> > > >

> > > >   

> > > >

> > > > Jim, yes this hormone stuff can be pretty

> complex..but, you will soon be an

> > > > expert on yours. Know your doc is testing

> all this stuff, because if you

> > > > don't get adrenals and thyroid handled,

> everything else a waste of

> > > > time..hormones change hourly in those of us

> w/multiple challenges (just be

> > > > grateful you don't have menopause to add to

> the lot-- LOL!)

> > > >

> > > > Phil may have pointed you here for the nuts

> and bolts of

> > > > thyroid/adrenals/RT3:

> > > >

> > > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/long-and-pathetic/

> > > >

> > > > and adrenal basics:

> > > >

> > > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/

> > > >

> > > > and RT3:

> > > >

> > > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/2009/11/18/reverse-t3/

> > > >

> > > > Adrenal function best done by 24 hr saliva

> test--have you done that?

> > > > You need to be off supplements (what are you

> taking by the way?) for 2 weeks

> > > > to do the test in order to get a handle on

> whether yours is low or high

> > > > (same symptom set)or normal...adrenals and

> their hormones pretty important

> > > > in sugar regulation and by proxy, water /

> salt balance in the body..some

> > > > very important hormones being produced in

> adrenals, including your s*x

> > > > hormones, so getting to the right core issue

> is key..yes, cortisol issues do

> > > > affect production of RT3..

> > > >

> > > > El

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In your last link is a link I think can be missed and is a good artical about

how to tell if your RT3 is to high and how to address this.

http://thyroid-rt3.com/

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>

> > From: mbmom123 <dbkczar@...>

> > Subject: Re: RT3

> >

> > Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 7:31 AM

> > Dr. , does DHEA lower cortisol in

> > those of us with already very low levels (and on HC)?

> El

> >

> >

> >

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