Re: Estradiol and HCG questions

[Guest guest]

try doing your shots every 3 days 50 mgs doing this keeps your leveled and

holds down Estradiol levels it's the big shot all at once that converts some of

it into Estradiol also you will keep your blood from getting thicker. When you

add in HCG do 250 IU's the day before you next T shot. Or try 2x's a week still

doing HCG the day before next T shot.

As for the Arimidex when you get night time and morning wood real strong your at

the sweet spot. Keep taking this dose but go to every other day if later your

wood stops your going down to low stop taking it until your wood comes back then

cut back on the dose to .25 mgs every other day the day your wood comes back.

Keep track of your wood if your levels start to go up you can get sore and hard

nipples, feel hot and sweat easy, look red on your upper body and face. And

your wood gets weaker when this happens do a little more Arimidex for a few

days.

Don't do that Ultra Test for Estradiol with Quest labs anymore they have big

problems with this test. Too many men have been told the levels were less then

2 when they were high. Do the test #4021.

the range is 13 to 54 pg/ml this test is there first sensitive test and still

the best one.

Here is a cut and paste for a file I made about not going to low on Arimidex.

===================================================

How To Take Arimdex and not go down on your Estradiol to Low.

What I found is if you go to low taking arimidex, it's the length of time your

to low, if your too low say for 8 weeks it can take your body a longer time to

make more Estradiol. Bottom line is to know how not to go to low. Keep a log on

your dose and how you feel men going to low can't get it up taking Viagra. I

went to low when I first tried Arimidex and did not know about going to low or

how one feels to low, so I was low a good 8 weeks. I did not know I was low

until my next labs.

The best gage I have found to control your Estradiol levels is to gage your

night time and morning wood. At good levels or what I call the sweet spot you

get your night time and morning wood back so strong it will wake you up and you

can hang a coat on it.

Most men do good taking .25 mgs or 1/4 of a 1mg. pill, I use a pill cutter to

cut the small pill in half then I stand it on the cut end and use a single edge

razor to cut this in half. A good way to take arimidex is by how high your

levels are. I tested over 90 pg/ml so we tried doing .5 mgs every other day

after 8 weeks my next set of labs showed it did not move below 90, test said

>90. So we did .5 mgs. every day in about 2 weeks I got some strong night time

and morning wood back after not having them for many yrs.

I kept doing this dose and in 8 weeks my next set of labs said <20 back in the

day labs were like this they did not have to good labs we have today they could

not read lower the 20. My Dr. told me this looks to low to stop taking the

Arimidex. The one thing I noticed was my wood stopped and stopping the Arimidex

my wood came back in about 7 weeks my next test at 8 weeks was 24 pg/ml. So we

went back on the Arimidex but the Dr. told me to take .5 mgs every 3 days I was

on this dose not a week and lost wood. This is when I figured out going to low

you lose wood. And the longer your too low the longer it takes to get levels

back up.

I stopped the arimidex right away and got my wood back in 4 days. I then after

playing with the dose for a time found the best dose is .25mgs every 2 to 3

days.

So lets say your labs are less the 50 pg/ml if your take .5 mgs you can go down

so dam fast your miss the sweet spot of your wood and go to low. It's best with

lower levels 50 and under to do less Arimidex .25mgs every 2 days if later your

lose wood when it comes back go to every 3 days.

I have found estradiol is the hardest hormone to control, it goes up or down

from month to month some times I need .25mgs every 2 days other times I need

..25mgs everyday most of the time I do well on every 3 days.

So between wood and labs I do great and so do most of the men I have told this

to. I keep a log on how much I am taking and how I feel. Doing this and reading

back in my log I was able to tell when I was going to high or to low my Dr. lets

me dose my arimidex by how I feel.

Over the yrs. I have posted this story until I am blue in the face.

----------------------------------------------------

If you find your going low on say .25 mgs every 4 to 5 days try doing this.

==================================================

Most compounding pharmacies will require a prescription from a doctor, before

they do this.

Once your prescription says " 300 caps x 0.1mg " or " 600 caps x 0.05mg "

anastrozole " from 1 to 4 daily " , (anastrozole = generic arimidex) then they will

compound your arimidex, or generic anastrozole, and they will usually supply the

arimidex as compounded into the caps you require.

My compounding pharmacist was prepared to allow me to supply the arimidex too.

If you have several boxes of arimidex in your cupboard, then you may want to ask

your pharmacist to do this for you.

If you don't have any arimidex stores, then just let the compounding pharmacy

supply the whole lot.

###

A pack of 30 tabs of 1.0mg arimidex will give 300 caps at 0.1mg-per-cap, or 600

caps at 0.05mg-per-cap.

So if your pharmacy chooses to supply arimidex as opposed to generic

anastrozole, then your pharmacy will most likely not agree to only charge you

for a half-a-box of arimidex, and most likely they'll charge for a whole box,

even if your prescription says 300 caps at 0.05mg-per-cap (total of 15mg).

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: master_trancer <master_trancer@...>

> Subject: Estradiol and HCG questions

>

> Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 12:02 PM

> My results came back from a six week

> follow up. Previosly, my T was

> 1263 (241-827)ng/dl and I was on 1ml/wk (200mg) T-Cyp

> injections. Doc lowered my dose to 1/2ml/wk (100mg). About

> the last 3-4 weeks I had sore muscles and a stiff lower back

> along with other symptoms. When I went back in told him

> about this, and was decided if it can be raised we would go

> to .75ml/wk.

>

> My results came back " within range " (I didnt get the

> number) however my dose was raised to the .75ml/wk.

> (150mg).

>

> It was good to know I wasnt just treated to a lab range and

> was treated by how I felt. So far, even with 1 injection at

> the highr dose, my aches and pains are almost gone.

>

> My main concern now is estradiol.

> Old labs were 68 (<or= 29) new labs came back at 89.

>

> I was taking DIM eod with the old labs. I switched to a

> product with chrysin and dim in because my chest broke out

> with a rash. But evidently chrysin doesnt work for me.

>

> I anticipated that I might need Ldex and wanted to be ready

> just in case. I have taken .5mg for the last 3 days.

>

> How long can I safely take that dose before switching to an

> eod dose or should I be doing and eod dose now?

>

> I also have some HCG coming and going to start that

> probably next week. Is the T injection dose adjusted down to

> compensate for what you get from the HCG?

>

> TIA

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Phil,

Thnks for responding. I should have posted that I did and still do the shots

every 3 days. So the weekly dose is split into 2 shots every 3 days. Thats why I

was surprised when I split the 1/2ml weekly dose into 2 shots and the Estradiol

came back even higher than it was on the 1ml (split also)weekly dose.

I watch it on the arimidex, and keep track of it.

I go back for a recheck in 3 months.

Thanks

>

> > From: master_trancer <master_trancer@...>

> > Subject: Estradiol and HCG questions

> >

> > Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 12:02 PM

> > My results came back from a six week

> > follow up. Previosly, my T was

> > 1263 (241-827)ng/dl and I was on 1ml/wk (200mg) T-Cyp

> > injections. Doc lowered my dose to 1/2ml/wk (100mg). About

> > the last 3-4 weeks I had sore muscles and a stiff lower back

> > along with other symptoms. When I went back in told him

> > about this, and was decided if it can be raised we would go

> > to .75ml/wk.

> >

> > My results came back " within range " (I didnt get the

> > number) however my dose was raised to the .75ml/wk.

> > (150mg).

> >

> > It was good to know I wasnt just treated to a lab range and

> > was treated by how I felt. So far, even with 1 injection at

> > the highr dose, my aches and pains are almost gone.

> >

> > My main concern now is estradiol.

> > Old labs were 68 (<or= 29) new labs came back at 89.

> >

> > I was taking DIM eod with the old labs. I switched to a

> > product with chrysin and dim in because my chest broke out

> > with a rash. But evidently chrysin doesnt work for me.

> >

> > I anticipated that I might need Ldex and wanted to be ready

> > just in case. I have taken .5mg for the last 3 days.

> >

> > How long can I safely take that dose before switching to an

> > eod dose or should I be doing and eod dose now?

> >

> > I also have some HCG coming and going to start that

> > probably next week. Is the T injection dose adjusted down to

> > compensate for what you get from the HCG?

> >

> > TIA

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I don't trust that Ultra Senitive Estradiol Test at Quest with the range of <29

Dr. was pushing it now he will not even use Quest labs. Do you feel like

your levels are high.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: master_trancer <master_trancer@...>

> Subject: Re: Estradiol and HCG questions

>

> Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 2:43 PM

>

>

> Hi Phil,

>

> Thnks for responding. I should have posted that I did and

> still do the  shots every 3 days. So the weekly dose is

> split into 2 shots every 3 days. Thats why I was surprised

> when I split the 1/2ml weekly dose into 2 shots and the

> Estradiol came back even higher than it was on the 1ml

> (split also)weekly dose.

>

> I watch it on the arimidex, and keep track of it.

>

> I go back for a recheck in 3 months.

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

>

> >

> > > From: master_trancer <master_trancer@...>

> > > Subject: Estradiol and HCG

> questions

> > >

> > > Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 12:02 PM

> > > My results came back from a six week

> > > follow up. Previosly, my T was

> > > 1263 (241-827)ng/dl and I was on 1ml/wk (200mg)

> T-Cyp

> > > injections. Doc lowered my dose to 1/2ml/wk

> (100mg). About

> > > the last 3-4 weeks I had sore muscles and a stiff

> lower back

> > > along with other symptoms. When I went back in

> told him

> > > about this, and was decided if it can be raised

> we would go

> > > to .75ml/wk.

> > >

> > > My results came back " within range " (I didnt get

> the

> > > number) however my dose was raised to the

> .75ml/wk.

> > > (150mg).

> > >

> > > It was good to know I wasnt just treated to a lab

> range and

> > > was treated by how I felt. So far, even with 1

> injection at

> > > the highr dose, my aches and pains are almost

> gone.

> > >

> > > My main concern now is estradiol.

> > > Old labs were 68 (<or= 29) new labs came back

> at 89.

> > >

> > > I was taking DIM eod with the old labs. I

> switched to a

> > > product with chrysin and dim in because my chest

> broke out

> > > with a rash. But evidently chrysin doesnt work

> for me.

> > >

> > > I anticipated that I might need Ldex and wanted

> to be ready

> > > just in case. I have taken .5mg for the last 3

> days.

> > >

> > > How long can I safely take that dose before

> switching to an

> > > eod dose or should I be doing and eod dose now?

> > >

> > > I also have some HCG coming and going to start

> that

> > > probably next week. Is the T injection dose

> adjusted down to

> > > compensate for what you get from the HCG?

> > >

> > > TIA

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I have not had sore hard nipples in quite a whille, I did at the very beginning

of starting TRT for about 4-5 months.

I do sweat easily.

I get emotional easily when watching shows on TV, in fact, it just happened

again today.

I have a somewhat red face and upper body.

My libido and wood has been okay most of the time, I probably have nocturnal and

morning wood 70-80% of the time. Both of those items were much better at the

higher dose. So far at the new dose it seems to be improving.

> > >

> > > > From: master_trancer <master_trancer@>

> > > > Subject: Estradiol and HCG

> > questions

> > > >

> > > > Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 12:02 PM

> > > > My results came back from a six week

> > > > follow up. Previosly, my T was

> > > > 1263 (241-827)ng/dl and I was on 1ml/wk (200mg)

> > T-Cyp

> > > > injections. Doc lowered my dose to 1/2ml/wk

> > (100mg). About

> > > > the last 3-4 weeks I had sore muscles and a stiff

> > lower back

> > > > along with other symptoms. When I went back in

> > told him

> > > > about this, and was decided if it can be raised

> > we would go

> > > > to .75ml/wk.

> > > >

> > > > My results came back " within range " (I didnt get

> > the

> > > > number) however my dose was raised to the

> > .75ml/wk.

> > > > (150mg).

> > > >

> > > > It was good to know I wasnt just treated to a lab

> > range and

> > > > was treated by how I felt. So far, even with 1

> > injection at

> > > > the highr dose, my aches and pains are almost

> > gone.

> > > >

> > > > My main concern now is estradiol.

> > > > Old labs were 68 (<or= 29) new labs came back

> > at 89.

> > > >

> > > > I was taking DIM eod with the old labs. I

> > switched to a

> > > > product with chrysin and dim in because my chest

> > broke out

> > > > with a rash. But evidently chrysin doesnt work

> > for me.

> > > >

> > > > I anticipated that I might need Ldex and wanted

> > to be ready

> > > > just in case. I have taken .5mg for the last 3

> > days.

> > > >

> > > > How long can I safely take that dose before

> > switching to an

> > > > eod dose or should I be doing and eod dose now?

> > > >

> > > > I also have some HCG coming and going to start

> > that

> > > > probably next week. Is the T injection dose

> > adjusted down to

> > > > compensate for what you get from the HCG?

> > > >

> > > > TIA

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

your Estradiol levels might be a little high what you need to try is Zinc

with Copper if your not on this it can help keep your Estradiol levels down and

all men need Zinc we don't get it the corn fed meat. I use ZMA by NOW and take

this at bedtime I add in 2 mgs of Copper because Taking Zinc lower Copper so I

take this at noon.

Test your Estradiol levels on your next set of labs see how they look best

levels are 20 pg/ml.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: master_trancer <master_trancer@...>

> Subject: Re: Estradiol and HCG questions

>

> Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 9:03 PM

> I have not had sore hard nipples in

> quite a whille, I did at the very beginning of starting TRT

> for about 4-5 months.

>

> I do sweat easily.

> I get emotional easily when watching shows on TV, in fact,

> it just happened again today.

> I have a somewhat red face and upper body.

>

> My libido and wood has been okay most of the time, I

> probably have nocturnal and morning wood 70-80% of the time.

> Both of those items were much better at the higher dose. So

> far at the new dose it seems to be improving.

>

>

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > > From: master_trancer

> <master_trancer@>

> > > > > Subject: Estradiol and

> HCG

> > > questions

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 12:02 PM

> > > > > My results came back from a six week

> > > > > follow up. Previosly, my T was

> > > > > 1263 (241-827)ng/dl and I was on 1ml/wk

> (200mg)

> > > T-Cyp

> > > > > injections. Doc lowered my dose to

> 1/2ml/wk

> > > (100mg). About

> > > > > the last 3-4 weeks I had sore muscles

> and a stiff

> > > lower back

> > > > > along with other symptoms. When I went

> back in

> > > told him

> > > > > about this, and was decided if it can

> be raised

> > > we would go

> > > > > to .75ml/wk.

> > > > >

> > > > > My results came back " within range " (I

> didnt get

> > > the

> > > > > number) however my dose was raised to

> the

> > > .75ml/wk.

> > > > > (150mg).

> > > > >

> > > > > It was good to know I wasnt just

> treated to a lab

> > > range and

> > > > > was treated by how I felt. So far, even

> with 1

> > > injection at

> > > > > the highr dose, my aches and pains are

> almost

> > > gone.

> > > > >

> > > > > My main concern now is estradiol.

> > > > > Old labs were 68 (<or= 29) new labs

> came back

> > > at 89.

> > > > >

> > > > > I was taking DIM eod with the old labs.

> I

> > > switched to a

> > > > > product with chrysin and dim in because

> my chest

> > > broke out

> > > > > with a rash. But evidently chrysin

> doesnt work

> > > for me.

> > > > >

> > > > > I anticipated that I might need Ldex

> and wanted

> > > to be ready

> > > > > just in case. I have taken .5mg for the

> last 3

> > > days.

> > > > >

> > > > > How long can I safely take that dose

> before

> > > switching to an

> > > > > eod dose or should I be doing and eod

> dose now?

> > > > >

> > > > > I also have some HCG coming and going

> to start

> > > that

> > > > > probably next week. Is the T injection

> dose

> > > adjusted down to

> > > > > compensate for what you get from the

> HCG?

> > > > >

> > > > > TIA

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Phil,

I do take Zinc now, 50mg/day. I do need to get some copper to take with it.

Last nite I woke up 4 times with an erection. I cut back to .25mg on the

Arimidex and see how that goes. I will take that ED for a few days

and see how it goes.

Thanks,

> > > > >

> > > > > > From: master_trancer

> > <master_trancer@>

> > > > > > Subject: Estradiol and

> > HCG

> > > > questions

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 12:02 PM

> > > > > > My results came back from a six week

> > > > > > follow up. Previosly, my T was

> > > > > > 1263 (241-827)ng/dl and I was on 1ml/wk

> > (200mg)

> > > > T-Cyp

> > > > > > injections. Doc lowered my dose to

> > 1/2ml/wk

> > > > (100mg). About

> > > > > > the last 3-4 weeks I had sore muscles

> > and a stiff

> > > > lower back

> > > > > > along with other symptoms. When I went

> > back in

> > > > told him

> > > > > > about this, and was decided if it can

> > be raised

> > > > we would go

> > > > > > to .75ml/wk.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My results came back " within range " (I

> > didnt get

> > > > the

> > > > > > number) however my dose was raised to

> > the

> > > > .75ml/wk.

> > > > > > (150mg).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It was good to know I wasnt just

> > treated to a lab

> > > > range and

> > > > > > was treated by how I felt. So far, even

> > with 1

> > > > injection at

> > > > > > the highr dose, my aches and pains are

> > almost

> > > > gone.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My main concern now is estradiol.

> > > > > > Old labs were 68 (<or= 29) new labs

> > came back

> > > > at 89.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I was taking DIM eod with the old labs.

> > I

> > > > switched to a

> > > > > > product with chrysin and dim in because

> > my chest

> > > > broke out

> > > > > > with a rash. But evidently chrysin

> > doesnt work

> > > > for me.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I anticipated that I might need Ldex

> > and wanted

> > > > to be ready

> > > > > > just in case. I have taken .5mg for the

> > last 3

> > > > days.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > How long can I safely take that dose

> > before

> > > > switching to an

> > > > > > eod dose or should I be doing and eod

> > dose now?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I also have some HCG coming and going

> > to start

> > > > that

> > > > > > probably next week. Is the T injection

> > dose

> > > > adjusted down to

> > > > > > compensate for what you get from the

> > HCG?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > TIA

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

From what I have read, and from my own experience as back pain sufferer, the

elevated estrogen helps the pain.  My guess is that's why the pain got better -

because the estrogen was increased as a result of the increased T.  I haven't

found a solution on how to have the TRT help the pain and keep my E levels where

they should be.

Bill

________________________________

From: master_trancer <master_trancer@...>

Sent: Sun, July 11, 2010 12:02:13 PM

Subject: Estradiol and HCG questions

 

My results came back from a six week follow up. Previosly, my T was

1263 (241-827)ng/dl and I was on 1ml/wk (200mg) T-Cyp injections. Doc lowered my

dose to 1/2ml/wk (100mg). About the last 3-4 weeks I had sore muscles and a

stiff lower back along with other symptoms. When I went back in told him about

this, and was decided if it can be raised we would go to .75ml/wk.

My results came back " within range " (I didnt get the number) however my dose was

raised to the .75ml/wk. (150mg).

It was good to know I wasnt just treated to a lab range and was treated by how I

felt. So far, even with 1 injection at the highr dose, my aches and pains are

almost gone.

My main concern now is estradiol.

Old labs were 68 (<or= 29) new labs came back at 89.

I was taking DIM eod with the old labs. I switched to a product with chrysin and

dim in because my chest broke out with a rash. But evidently chrysin doesnt work

for me.

I anticipated that I might need Ldex and wanted to be ready just in case. I have

taken .5mg for the last 3 days.

How long can I safely take that dose before switching to an eod dose or should I

be doing and eod dose now?

I also have some HCG coming and going to start that probably next week. Is the T

injection dose adjusted down to compensate for what you get from the HCG?

TIA

[Guest guest]

Bill I see this happen too if I let my Estradiol levels go to low I have a lot

of joint and muscle pain. It is a fine line to hold to feel better and for me

the hard one to keep in the range to feel good is Estradiol.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Bill Totten <bill_totten@...>

> Subject: Re: Estradiol and HCG questions

>

> Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 6:55 PM

> From what I have read, and from my

> own experience as back pain sufferer, the

> elevated estrogen helps the pain.  My guess is that's why

> the pain got better -

> because the estrogen was increased as a result of the

> increased T.  I haven't

> found a solution on how to have the TRT help the pain and

> keep my E levels where

> they should be.

>

> Bill

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: master_trancer <master_trancer@...>

>

> Sent: Sun, July 11, 2010 12:02:13 PM

> Subject: Estradiol and HCG questions

>

>  

> My results came back from a six week follow up. Previosly,

> my T was

> 1263 (241-827)ng/dl and I was on 1ml/wk (200mg) T-Cyp

> injections. Doc lowered my

> dose to 1/2ml/wk (100mg). About the last 3-4 weeks I had

> sore muscles and a

> stiff lower back along with other symptoms. When I went

> back in told him about

> this, and was decided if it can be raised we would go to

> .75ml/wk.

>

>

> My results came back " within range " (I didnt get the

> number) however my dose was

> raised to the .75ml/wk. (150mg).

>

> It was good to know I wasnt just treated to a lab range and

> was treated by how I

> felt. So far, even with 1 injection at the highr dose, my

> aches and pains are

> almost gone.

>

>

> My main concern now is estradiol.

> Old labs were 68 (<or= 29) new labs came back at 89.

>

> I was taking DIM eod with the old labs. I switched to a

> product with chrysin and

> dim in because my chest broke out with a rash. But

> evidently chrysin doesnt work

> for me.

>

>

> I anticipated that I might need Ldex and wanted to be ready

> just in case. I have

> taken .5mg for the last 3 days.

>

>

> How long can I safely take that dose before switching to an

> eod dose or should I

> be doing and eod dose now?

>

> I also have some HCG coming and going to start that

> probably next week. Is the T

> injection dose adjusted down to compensate for what you get

> from the HCG?

>

> TIA

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>      

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yea, me too. 

The very first time I used T (it was Androgel), my back pain went away!  I was

flabbergasted and jazzed.  I have to take pain meds, so this was a shockingly

wonderful effect - I could get off the pain meds.  Well, not so fast...  As

you

have stated and many of us have experienced, the high E ain't much fun either. 

Before I started being cared for by , I injected 200mg to see what would

happend with my back pain.  It got a lot better.  However, I gained a waater

and

that stunk.  It confirmed my belief on the E to backpain realtionship.  My

injections are at a much lower dose than 200mg.  I'm not getting any real pain

relief at the dose I use.  Oh well.....

For me, I lean towards more pain and less E - how about you?   (and I do what

my

doc says).

Bill

________________________________

From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>

Sent: Wed, July 14, 2010 10:30:28 AM

Subject: Re: Estradiol and HCG questions

 

Bill I see this happen too if I let my Estradiol levels go to low I have a lot

of joint and muscle pain. It is a fine line to hold to feel better and for me

the hard one to keep in the range to feel good is Estradiol.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Bill Totten <bill_totten@...>

> Subject: Re: Estradiol and HCG questions

>

> Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 6:55 PM

> From what I have read, and from my

> own experience as back pain sufferer, the

> elevated estrogen helps the pain.  My guess is that's why

> the pain got better -

> because the estrogen was increased as a result of the

> increased T.  I haven't

> found a solution on how to have the TRT help the pain and

> keep my E levels where

> they should be.

>

> Bill

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: master_trancer <master_trancer@...>

>

> Sent: Sun, July 11, 2010 12:02:13 PM

> Subject: Estradiol and HCG questions

>

>  

> My results came back from a six week follow up. Previosly,

> my T was

> 1263 (241-827)ng/dl and I was on 1ml/wk (200mg) T-Cyp

> injections. Doc lowered my

> dose to 1/2ml/wk (100mg). About the last 3-4 weeks I had

> sore muscles and a

> stiff lower back along with other symptoms. When I went

> back in told him about

> this, and was decided if it can be raised we would go to

> .75ml/wk.

>

>

> My results came back " within range " (I didnt get the

> number) however my dose was

> raised to the .75ml/wk. (150mg).

>

> It was good to know I wasnt just treated to a lab range and

> was treated by how I

> felt. So far, even with 1 injection at the highr dose, my

> aches and pains are

> almost gone.

>

>

> My main concern now is estradiol.

> Old labs were 68 (<or= 29) new labs came back at 89.

>

> I was taking DIM eod with the old labs. I switched to a

> product with chrysin and

> dim in because my chest broke out with a rash. But

> evidently chrysin doesnt work

> for me.

>

>

> I anticipated that I might need Ldex and wanted to be ready

> just in case. I have

> taken .5mg for the last 3 days.

>

>

> How long can I safely take that dose before switching to an

> eod dose or should I

> be doing and eod dose now?

>

> I also have some HCG coming and going to start that

> probably next week. Is the T

> injection dose adjusted down to compensate for what you get

> from the HCG?

>

> TIA

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>      

>

>