Guest guest Posted July 13, 2010 Report Share Posted July 13, 2010 You need to put in the units and ranges on them labs for the guys so they can help. Your Estradiol labs were for women still your very low how low it's hard to tell. But with your low LH and FSH and Estradiol this tells me yes get an MRI on your Pituitary you look like your Secondary meaning your Testis work they just don't get told to work. You can have a tumor it's rare they are cancer or if you had a head injury this will do this and it will not show up on the MRI. Men that have a Pituitary Problem need to have all there Hormones Checked over and above what you listed you need your Thyroid, Cortisol, Ferritin, B-12, Folac Acid, Growth Hormone, aldosterone and renin tested. This problem is called Hypopituitary here is a link to a closed forum but he has a ton of info about this problem read it. If you go on Testosterone and later stop your just going to fall down to your low levels again. http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewforum.php?f=12 & sid=0dfe418155d6949dbc8b67e\ f20570789 A good Dr. for this is Dr. at www.allthingsmale.com see if you can get your Dr. to work with him over the phone not your Endo they are not good Dr.'s for this problem see if your Family Dr. will work with him to test and treat you. Or drive out to see him he only needs to see you once the rest he can do by phone. Next time you test your levels do them at Quest lab or LabCorp. At Quest I do these. Estradiol sensitive Code #4021 Testosterone, Free, Bioavailable & Total LC/MS/MS Code # 14966X. Homocysteine (Caridioviasular) Code #31789X. Vit.D, 25-Hydroxy LC/MS/MS Code #17306X. TSH Free T4 Free T3 Total T3 Total T4 RT3 Total Iron Iron Binding Capacity Iron % Saturation Ferritin B-12 Here is a link to labs I tell men they need. http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=5 & t=7059 Co-Moderator Phil > From: Shaun <shaunskel@...> > Subject: The numbers are in > > Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 7:48 PM > Hi 27 yo m low t > My first appt with an endo is on wed > > LH 3.5 > FSH 3.6 > Estradiol <20 > Zinc 77 > Free testosterone 5.8 > Total 161, 192 > > I should definatley have my ths, t3 and t4 checked right? > Anything else? MRI or CT? Is it shaping up that im primary? > Also, if I should choose to end the TRT (if i choose to > begin it) will my T fall to 0? Thanks. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2010 Report Share Posted July 13, 2010 According to the ref ranges on my labs everything (except testosterone) is within normal limits. Phil, you mentioned that my LH FSH and estridol appear low : LH 3.5 (20-70yo males 1.5-9.3) FSH serum 3.6 (1.4-18.1) Estridol < 20(males <20-77) It would appear that im within normal limits. Has your experience showed that I am not? How do i convence the Endo of this. Why do you suggest going to mt GP instead of dealing with the Endo? > > > From: Shaun <shaunskel@...> > > Subject: The numbers are in > > > > Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 7:48 PM > > Hi 27 yo m low t > > My first appt with an endo is on wed > > > > LH 3.5 > > FSH 3.6 > > Estradiol <20 > > Zinc 77 > > Free testosterone 5.8 > > Total 161, 192 > > > > I should definatley have my ths, t3 and t4 checked right? > > Anything else? MRI or CT? Is it shaping up that im primary? > > Also, if I should choose to end the TRT (if i choose to > > begin it) will my T fall to 0? Thanks. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2010 Report Share Posted July 13, 2010 You see this is the problem if your Total Testosterone is 161 I don't know what your 192 means with out the range of your labs I am thinking your range is like mine 1100 is the top of the range. Dr.'s not up on labs for hormones feel if your in range your good. If the top of your labs is 192 I in all my days never seen a range like this do you live is the USA. Men that post a low level of Total T like 161 with a LH and FSH as low as yours have a pituitary problem there brain is not asking for more Testosterone the LH and FSH is the message sent to your Testis to ask from more Testosterone. If your testis did not work and your Total this was this low with your LH and FSH at or near the top of the range this tells me your Testis don't work and your brain is asking for more. Co-Moderator Phil > From: Shaun <shaunskel@...> > Subject: Re: The numbers are in > > Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 12:24 PM > > According to the ref ranges on my labs everything (except > testosterone) is within normal limits. Phil, you mentioned > that my LH FSH and estridol appear low : > LH 3.5 (20-70yo males 1.5-9.3) > FSH serum 3.6 (1.4-18.1) > Estridol < 20(males <20-77) > > It would appear that im within normal limits. Has your > experience showed that I am not? How do i convence the Endo > of this. Why do you suggest going to mt GP instead of > dealing with the Endo? > > > > > > > From: Shaun <shaunskel@...> > > > Subject: The numbers are in > > > > > > Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 7:48 PM > > > Hi 27 yo m low t > > > My first appt with an endo is on wed > > > > > > LH 3.5 > > > FSH 3.6 > > > Estradiol <20 > > > Zinc 77 > > > Free testosterone 5.8 > > > Total 161, 192 > > > > > > I should definatley have my ths, t3 and t4 > checked right? > > > Anything else? MRI or CT? Is it shaping up that > im primary? > > > Also, if I should choose to end the TRT (if i > choose to > > > begin it) will my T fall to 0? Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2010 Report Share Posted July 13, 2010 Sorry to confuse you. My first t test was 161 my second was 192. > > > > > > > From: Shaun <shaunskel@> > > > > Subject: The numbers are in > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 7:48 PM > > > > Hi 27 yo m low t > > > > My first appt with an endo is on wed > > > > > > > > LH 3.5 > > > > FSH 3.6 > > > > Estradiol <20 > > > > Zinc 77 > > > > Free testosterone 5.8 > > > > Total 161, 192 > > > > > > > > I should definatley have my ths, t3 and t4 > > checked right? > > > > Anything else? MRI or CT? Is it shaping up that > > im primary? > > > > Also, if I should choose to end the TRT (if i > > choose to > > > > begin it) will my T fall to 0? Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2010 Report Share Posted July 13, 2010 Then I stand by what I said your not in range your very low and you should have your Pituitary checked to rule out a tumor. Have you every had a head injury this can do this to you and it can take it's time going bad. Co-Moderator Phil > From: Shaun <shaunskel@...> > Subject: Re: The numbers are in > > Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 1:44 PM > > Sorry to confuse you. My first t test was 161 my second was > 192. > > > > > > > > > > From: Shaun <shaunskel@> > > > > > Subject: The numbers are > in > > > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 7:48 PM > > > > > Hi 27 yo m low t > > > > > My first appt with an endo is on wed > > > > > > > > > > LH 3.5 > > > > > FSH 3.6 > > > > > Estradiol <20 > > > > > Zinc 77 > > > > > Free testosterone 5.8 > > > > > Total 161, 192 > > > > > > > > > > I should definatley have my ths, t3 and > t4 > > > checked right? > > > > > Anything else? MRI or CT? Is it shaping > up that > > > im primary? > > > > > Also, if I should choose to end the TRT > (if i > > > choose to > > > > > begin it) will my T fall to 0? Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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