Re: Reduced or Eliminated Need for Anti-depressants

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Here is link to my story I wasted 5 yrs of my life on AD drugs and later when a

new on had a side effect that slowed down my voiding I had to see a Uro due to a

bad bladder infection this Dr. found me to not be suffering from Depression but

to be low on Testosterone. I was on so dam many AD drugs I have to go into a

drug rehab hosp. to get off them. I was off work more then I was at work on AD

drugs because they make the low T worse when I started on T I was feeling much

better and back to work.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=5 & t=9239

Yet still the Uro did not get it right he said I was Primary and after being on

TRT 23 or 28 yrs I found out I am Secondary.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Primemuscle <Primemuscle@...>

> Subject: Reduced or Eliminated Need for Anti-depressants

>

> Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 4:08 PM

> Many years ago, my doctor prescribed

> Trazodone for mild insomnia, anxiety and depression. I

> didn't then and don't now have sleep apnea. However, even

> though falling asleep wasn't too much of an issue, I'd wake

> up many times during the night. Often, all I would do when I

> woke up was check the alarm clock to see if it was time to

> get up yet or not. Of course the more I did this, the more

> anxious I'd become. Fortunately, Trazodone seemed to do the

> trick, allowing me to sleep through the night.

>

> At that time, I was taking 300 mg just before retiring for

> the night. One problem I experienced was that I'd feel

> groggy the next morning until about mid-day. Eventually, I

> cut back on the amount of Trazodone I was taking. At the

> same time, I began taking Wellbrutrin XL to treat

> depression. This course of treatment for depression

> continued with some variances over the next fifteen years.

>

> Since beginning TRT last August, I've discontinued taking

> both Welbutrin and more recently Trazodone. So far, I've not

> felt at all depressed, which is great. Perhaps the TRT is

> helping relieve any depression I felt before.

>

> It has been about two weeks since I stopped taking

> Trazodone. My ending dosage was 75 mg per night. I should

> have tapered off, but I ran out and thought what the heck,

> I'll just quit now. I don't recommend doing this. Coming off

> Trazodone can make one feel really sick with flu like

> symptoms. My sleep patterns are not as good as they were

> while on Trazodone, but they are gradually getting better. I

> feel rested most of the time.

>

> Has anyone else had similar experiences with reduced or an

> eliminated need for anti-depressant medications since

> beginning TRT?

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I was using trazadone for sleep(worked great!), but have switched to meletonin

w/ good results.

I am also tapering VERY slowly off cymbalta, and so far I feel great. I expect

it to take 6 mos to one year to taper off.

Doctors should really take a closer look at hormones before prescribing

anti-depressants.

Steve

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From: Primemuscle <Primemuscle@...>

Sent: Sun, February 7, 2010 4:08:39 PM

Subject: Reduced or Eliminated Need for Anti-depressants

Many years ago, my doctor prescribed Trazodone for mild insomnia, anxiety and

depression. I didn't then and don't now have sleep apnea. However, even though

falling asleep wasn't too much of an issue, I'd wake up many times during the

night. Often, all I would do when I woke up was check the alarm clock to see if

it was time to get up yet or not. Of course the more I did this, the more

anxious I'd become. Fortunately, Trazodone seemed to do the trick, allowing me

to sleep through the night.

At that time, I was taking 300 mg just before retiring for the night. One

problem I experienced was that I'd feel groggy the next morning until about

mid-day. Eventually, I cut back on the amount of Trazodone I was taking. At the

same time, I began taking Wellbrutrin XL to treat depression. This course of

treatment for depression continued with some variances over the next fifteen

years.

Since beginning TRT last August, I've discontinued taking both Welbutrin and

more recently Trazodone. So far, I've not felt at all depressed, which is great.

Perhaps the TRT is helping relieve any depression I felt before.

It has been about two weeks since I stopped taking Trazodone. My ending dosage

was 75 mg per night. I should have tapered off, but I ran out and thought what

the heck, I'll just quit now. I don't recommend doing this. Coming off Trazodone

can make one feel really sick with flu like symptoms. My sleep patterns are not

as good as they were while on Trazodone, but they are gradually getting better.

I feel rested most of the time.

Has anyone else had similar experiences with reduced or an eliminated need for

anti-depressant medications since beginning TRT?

[Guest guest]

We have in the files section the best of the posts by Dr. nco he is in to

Psychiatry and treats men for low T levels he feels most mental problems are due

to low hormonens and is coming out what a book that will change the way

Psychiatry is done. Go to the files section and read the posts he did at MESO

getting input from us guys we helped him he helped us.

This is a link to his new forum.

http://www.definitivemind.com/forums/index.php

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: First NameSteve L <slucian1@...>

> Subject: Re: Reduced or Eliminated Need for Anti-depressants

>

> Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 5:32 PM

> I was using trazadone for

> sleep(worked great!), but have switched to meletonin w/ good

> results.

> I am also tapering VERY slowly off cymbalta, and so far I

> feel great. I expect it to take 6 mos to one year to taper

> off.

>

> Doctors should really take a closer look at hormones before

> prescribing anti-depressants.

>

> Steve

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Primemuscle <Primemuscle@...>

>

> Sent: Sun, February 7, 2010 4:08:39 PM

> Subject: Reduced or Eliminated Need for

> Anti-depressants

>

>    

> Many years ago, my doctor prescribed Trazodone for mild

> insomnia, anxiety and depression. I didn't then and don't

> now have sleep apnea. However, even though falling asleep

> wasn't too much of an issue, I'd wake up many times during

> the night. Often, all I would do when I woke up was check

> the alarm clock to see if it was time to get up yet or not.

> Of course the more I did this, the more anxious I'd become.

> Fortunately, Trazodone seemed to do the trick, allowing me

> to sleep through the night.

>

> At that time, I was taking 300 mg just before retiring for

> the night. One problem I experienced was that I'd feel

> groggy the next morning until about mid-day. Eventually, I

> cut back on the amount of Trazodone I was taking. At the

> same time, I began taking Wellbrutrin XL to treat

> depression. This course of treatment for depression

> continued with some variances over the next fifteen years.

>

> Since beginning TRT last August, I've discontinued taking

> both Welbutrin and more recently Trazodone. So far, I've not

> felt at all depressed, which is great. Perhaps the TRT is

> helping relieve any depression I felt before.

>

> It has been about two weeks since I stopped taking

> Trazodone. My ending dosage was 75 mg per night. I should

> have tapered off, but I ran out and thought what the heck,

> I'll just quit now. I don't recommend doing this. Coming off

> Trazodone can make one feel really sick with flu like

> symptoms. My sleep patterns are not as good as they were

> while on Trazodone, but they are gradually getting better. I

> feel rested most of the time.

>

> Has anyone else had similar experiences with reduced or an

> eliminated need for anti-depressant medications since

> beginning TRT?

>

>

>

>

>

>      

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have to check into this trazadone. I'm on hrt but my numbers on some things

are f'ing crazy. I'm tired of not sleeping through a night. Maybe this will

help.

>

> I was using trazadone for sleep(worked great!), but have switched to meletonin

w/ good results.

> I am also tapering VERY slowly off cymbalta, and so far I feel great. I expect

it to take 6 mos to one year to taper off.

>

> Doctors should really take a closer look at hormones before prescribing

anti-depressants.

>

> Steve

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Primemuscle <Primemuscle@...>

>

> Sent: Sun, February 7, 2010 4:08:39 PM

> Subject: Reduced or Eliminated Need for Anti-depressants

>

>

> Many years ago, my doctor prescribed Trazodone for mild insomnia, anxiety and

depression. I didn't then and don't now have sleep apnea. However, even though

falling asleep wasn't too much of an issue, I'd wake up many times during the

night. Often, all I would do when I woke up was check the alarm clock to see if

it was time to get up yet or not. Of course the more I did this, the more

anxious I'd become. Fortunately, Trazodone seemed to do the trick, allowing me

to sleep through the night.

>

> At that time, I was taking 300 mg just before retiring for the night. One

problem I experienced was that I'd feel groggy the next morning until about

mid-day. Eventually, I cut back on the amount of Trazodone I was taking. At the

same time, I began taking Wellbrutrin XL to treat depression. This course of

treatment for depression continued with some variances over the next fifteen

years.

>

> Since beginning TRT last August, I've discontinued taking both Welbutrin and

more recently Trazodone. So far, I've not felt at all depressed, which is great.

Perhaps the TRT is helping relieve any depression I felt before.

>

> It has been about two weeks since I stopped taking Trazodone. My ending dosage

was 75 mg per night. I should have tapered off, but I ran out and thought what

the heck, I'll just quit now. I don't recommend doing this. Coming off Trazodone

can make one feel really sick with flu like symptoms. My sleep patterns are not

as good as they were while on Trazodone, but they are gradually getting better.

I feel rested most of the time.

>

> Has anyone else had similar experiences with reduced or an eliminated need for

anti-depressant medications since beginning TRT?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Try SAMe & St s Wort daily.

Does not have the side effects of SSRI.

>

> Many years ago, my doctor prescribed Trazodone for mild insomnia, anxiety and

depression. I didn't then and don't now have sleep apnea. However, even though

falling asleep wasn't too much of an issue, I'd wake up many times during the

night. Often, all I would do when I woke up was check the alarm clock to see if

it was time to get up yet or not. Of course the more I did this, the more

anxious I'd become. Fortunately, Trazodone seemed to do the trick, allowing me

to sleep through the night.

>

> At that time, I was taking 300 mg just before retiring for the night. One

problem I experienced was that I'd feel groggy the next morning until about

mid-day. Eventually, I cut back on the amount of Trazodone I was taking. At the

same time, I began taking Wellbrutrin XL to treat depression. This course of

treatment for depression continued with some variances over the next fifteen

years.

>

> Since beginning TRT last August, I've discontinued taking both Welbutrin and

more recently Trazodone. So far, I've not felt at all depressed, which is great.

Perhaps the TRT is helping relieve any depression I felt before.

>

> It has been about two weeks since I stopped taking Trazodone. My ending dosage

was 75 mg per night. I should have tapered off, but I ran out and thought what

the heck, I'll just quit now. I don't recommend doing this. Coming off Trazodone

can make one feel really sick with flu like symptoms. My sleep patterns are not

as good as they were while on Trazodone, but they are gradually getting better.

I feel rested most of the time.

>

> Has anyone else had similar experiences with reduced or an eliminated need for

anti-depressant medications since beginning TRT?

>

[Guest guest]

Has anyone used Desyrel (indian generic for Trazadone) to help their sleep? I've

read some decent things about this. I think I'm gonna get some.

> >

> > I was using trazadone for sleep(worked great!), but have switched to

meletonin w/ good results.

> > I am also tapering VERY slowly off cymbalta, and so far I feel great. I

expect it to take 6 mos to one year to taper off.

> >

> > Doctors should really take a closer look at hormones before prescribing

anti-depressants.

> >

> > Steve

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: Primemuscle <Primemuscle@>

> >

> > Sent: Sun, February 7, 2010 4:08:39 PM

> > Subject: Reduced or Eliminated Need for Anti-depressants

> >

> >

> > Many years ago, my doctor prescribed Trazodone for mild insomnia, anxiety

and depression. I didn't then and don't now have sleep apnea. However, even

though falling asleep wasn't too much of an issue, I'd wake up many times during

the night. Often, all I would do when I woke up was check the alarm clock to see

if it was time to get up yet or not. Of course the more I did this, the more

anxious I'd become. Fortunately, Trazodone seemed to do the trick, allowing me

to sleep through the night.

> >

> > At that time, I was taking 300 mg just before retiring for the night. One

problem I experienced was that I'd feel groggy the next morning until about

mid-day. Eventually, I cut back on the amount of Trazodone I was taking. At the

same time, I began taking Wellbrutrin XL to treat depression. This course of

treatment for depression continued with some variances over the next fifteen

years.

> >

> > Since beginning TRT last August, I've discontinued taking both Welbutrin and

more recently Trazodone. So far, I've not felt at all depressed, which is great.

Perhaps the TRT is helping relieve any depression I felt before.

> >

> > It has been about two weeks since I stopped taking Trazodone. My ending

dosage was 75 mg per night. I should have tapered off, but I ran out and thought

what the heck, I'll just quit now. I don't recommend doing this. Coming off

Trazodone can make one feel really sick with flu like symptoms. My sleep

patterns are not as good as they were while on Trazodone, but they are gradually

getting better. I feel rested most of the time.

> >

> > Has anyone else had similar experiences with reduced or an eliminated need

for anti-depressant medications since beginning TRT?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I would run this past your Dr. first some AD med are worse on men with low T

makes it worse.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: Reduced or Eliminated Need for Anti-depressants

>

> Date: Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 1:09 PM

> Has anyone used Desyrel (indian

> generic for Trazadone) to help their sleep? I've read some

> decent things about this. I think I'm gonna get some.

>

>

> > >

> > > I was using trazadone for sleep(worked great!),

> but have switched to meletonin w/ good results.

> > > I am also tapering VERY slowly off cymbalta, and

> so far I feel great. I expect it to take 6 mos to one year

> to taper off.

> > >

> > > Doctors should really take a closer look at

> hormones before prescribing anti-depressants.

> > >

> > > Steve

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > From: Primemuscle <Primemuscle@>

> > >

> > > Sent: Sun, February 7, 2010 4:08:39 PM

> > > Subject: Reduced or Eliminated

> Need for Anti-depressants

> > >

> > >   

> > > Many years ago, my doctor prescribed Trazodone

> for mild insomnia, anxiety and depression. I didn't then and

> don't now have sleep apnea. However, even though falling

> asleep wasn't too much of an issue, I'd wake up many times

> during the night. Often, all I would do when I woke up was

> check the alarm clock to see if it was time to get up yet or

> not. Of course the more I did this, the more anxious I'd

> become. Fortunately, Trazodone seemed to do the trick,

> allowing me to sleep through the night.

> > >

> > > At that time, I was taking 300 mg just before

> retiring for the night. One problem I experienced was that

> I'd feel groggy the next morning until about mid-day.

> Eventually, I cut back on the amount of Trazodone I was

> taking. At the same time, I began taking Wellbrutrin XL to

> treat depression. This course of treatment for depression

> continued with some variances over the next fifteen years.

> > >

> > > Since beginning TRT last August, I've

> discontinued taking both Welbutrin and more recently

> Trazodone. So far, I've not felt at all depressed, which is

> great. Perhaps the TRT is helping relieve any depression I

> felt before.

> > >

> > > It has been about two weeks since I stopped

> taking Trazodone. My ending dosage was 75 mg per night. I

> should have tapered off, but I ran out and thought what the

> heck, I'll just quit now. I don't recommend doing this.

> Coming off Trazodone can make one feel really sick with flu

> like symptoms. My sleep patterns are not as good as they

> were while on Trazodone, but they are gradually getting

> better. I feel rested most of the time.

> > >

> > > Has anyone else had similar experiences with

> reduced or an eliminated need for anti-depressant

> medications since beginning TRT?

> > >

> > >

> > > 

> > >

> > >

> > >       

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

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> > >

> >

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[Guest guest]

This is an antidepressant; are you just planning to use this to sleep???

There are safer options, but I'm curious if your adrenals are different now due

to you meds etc. If you don't get enough cortisol during the day, you may not be

able to sleep well at night..El

>

> Has anyone used Desyrel (indian generic for Trazadone) to help

[Guest guest]

would be using it for sleep. i've tried all sorts of natural stuff. Nothing

works. As for the adrenal testing, I've asked to be tested. This was put on the

back burner. Just don't know anymore. Since being on T3 meds for 2 weeks now,

I've noticed a rebound in my PM energy levels. Please note, I've had a problem

with sleep for several years. I just seem like I'm in a fog. It's really funky.

>

> This is an antidepressant; are you just planning to use this to sleep???

>

> There are safer options, but I'm curious if your adrenals are different now

due to you meds etc. If you don't get enough cortisol during the day, you may

not be able to sleep well at night..El

>

>

> >

> > Has anyone used Desyrel (indian generic for Trazadone) to help

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry you are not sleeping Jim! You can order your own saliva test kit:

www.canaryclub.org; no need to ask permission from anyone to get it.

Being on T3 you have to have well supported adrenals---I would be one to be

totally against getting hooked on antidepressants (if you don't think you can

get hooked, try coming off them ...El

> would be using it for sleep. i've tried all sorts of natural stuff. Nothing

works. As for the adrenal testing, I've asked to be tested. This was put on the

back burner. Just don't know anymore. Since being

[Guest guest]

Here's the thing before I go this route. My insurance covers this test through

genova. I only pay $50. I'm gonna stress this test again.

Yes, I read numerous times to treat the adrenals first if they are less than

optimum.

>

> Sorry you are not sleeping Jim! You can order your own saliva test kit:

www.canaryclub.org; no need to ask permission from anyone to get it.

>

> Being on T3 you have to have well supported adrenals---I would be one to be

totally against getting hooked on antidepressants (if you don't think you can

get hooked, try coming off them ...El

>

>

> > would be using it for sleep. i've tried all sorts of natural stuff. Nothing

works. As for the adrenal testing, I've asked to be tested. This was put on the

back burner. Just don't know anymore. Since being

>