Re: hcg dosage and how long for effect?

[Guest guest]

I can't think of any good reason to start with 5 gms of T if there is no

plan to test before upping to the 10gm dose.... better to just start at

10 gms.

Here is some support and guidance about hCG

http://www.allthingsmale.com/word_docs/HCGupdate.doc

Being Secondary you may get some good T production with regular hCG use.

Would your doctor prescribe as a trial? Perhaps if you got a script but

did not fill through insurance? Among the complications of

self-prescribing is still the need for lab testing. Some people go it

alone but fully consider.

Without everyone being aware of the hCG the T dose may be adjusted

downward to get down to 750-800. 800 may not actually be high enough

and kind of shows that the doctor is a total T numbers guy and will not

be looking at bioavaialble T, SBHG, or possibly even E2. The bottom line

is you may not have the doctor you want for proper care.... let's hope I

am wrong. Do you live anywhere near Lansing, Phily, or CA?

YMMV, but you may realize the benefits of hCG the same day.

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> OK, so I went to the endo today... he says that they only use hcg for

> fertility treatments and only until the wife is pregnant... and only

> with tons of other fertility type treatment for both man and woman.

>

> none of which we want or is covered by insurance.

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> So he gave me androgel. 5mg a day for the first month then 10 mg a

day

> after that.

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> He says I'm secondary and that his goal is to get my T into the

750-800

> range.

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> I go in for blood work in 3 months to see where I'm at.

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> So.... I'd like to use hcg anyway. I'm tired of doctors blowing me

> off. (this is the 4th one). I've ordered HCG from ADC.

>

> What kind of dosage should I start with? My T is at 127 last test 4

> months ago. Normal range 250-1100.

>

> My body weight is 310 (yeah, I'm fat... hoping the T might help a bit

> there too) 5'8

>

> From what I've read/resarched, I'm expecting to need around

250iu-350iu

> per day.

>

> How long from when I start injecting the hcg will it take until my T

> levels go up? How long until I should notice a difference in how I

feel?

>

> Sorry for the rambling.... but after a full year of trying to get

> doctors to help me and a full year of being ignored... I'm fed up.

>

> LostOne0069

>

[Guest guest]

I have a strong feeling that you and this doctor will part ways in short

order. If you already bought the ticket, go as far as you can, and jump

off this train

Don't bother with saliva tests for sex hormones, waste of money. Being

in PA, you can order your own serum labs... numerous self-order labs

available including those using LabCorp as a collection site.

Give HAN a shout hardasnails1973

<hardasnails1973> He is a good and earnest

clinician and works with a doctor near Phily. If your PA-based

insurance will cover this, don't waste your time any longer. Even if

insurance will not cover the doctor, consider anyway. Great excuse to

visit Phily, have a cheese-steak, and stay overnight!

BTW, about how old are you? Is this a case of late onset hypogonadism ?

Are you really sure that you are secondary? These are important

concerns while heading into TRT.

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> Unfortunately he won't proscribe HCG... period. He even went on to say

> that the T that I'd be taking would HELP my fertility and increase the

> size of my testes etc.

>

> The other option that I thought of was to do those mail-in saliva

> tests...

>

> As for where I'm at, I'm in North Central PA... Philly is about 3.5-4

> hours from me.

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> LostOne0069

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[Guest guest]

Thanks again, I'll drop him a line sometime. I'll probably stay with the

current doc for at least 3 months though... that's when the first tests

are due and he's already given me the order for them... and my insurance

will pay for it. I don't know if they'll pay for self-ordered tests.

It's hard for me to get enough time to go all the way to philly. I'm

swamped at work right now with 3 major projects going all at the same

time. Maybe later this summer...

I'm certain it's secondary, the doctor called it " central hypogonadism "

and said that my testicles were working fine, it's the hypothalimus

and/or pituitary that's not sending the LH.

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> > Unfortunately he won't proscribe HCG... period. He even went on to say

> > that the T that I'd be taking would HELP my fertility and increase the

> > size of my testes etc.

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> > The other option that I thought of was to do those mail-in saliva

> > tests...

> >

> > As for where I'm at, I'm in North Central PA... Philly is about 3.5-4

> > hours from me.

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> > LostOne0069

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