Re: DIM Headaches

[Guest guest]

Your having liver issues because it can not handle the excessive over load of

estrogen that can not be metabolized properly resulting in waking you up at

night time. in Chinese medicine the liver regenerates at 1-4 pm. SO basically

gettin up in middle of the night is liver imbalances..

>

> I just started taking Estro-balance Indoplex complex 120mg.

>

> I take it with dinner around 6PM and wake up with a terrible headache around

3AM the next morning.

>

> This has happened 3 days in a row and the headaches are bad enough that I am

thinking of stopping DIM.

>

> Does anyone have some insight into this?

> Should I get some TMG? Cut the DIM tablets in Half?

>

[Guest guest]

It is not something that happens on DIM most of ones problem are stomach upset.

But it's something you need to try so stop taking it and see how you feel.

Or try a different brand. Hear is a link to what your taking.

http://organicpharmacy.org/products/EstroBalance/SKU:ET05336

The following is a file I put together about DIM and links of where to buy it.

Or get some Arimidex what are your Estradiol levels.

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ALL ABOUT DIM.

Sure here is a few links that are all about it. But there are a lot of Co.'s

out there selling DIM that don't work well. Indolplex/DIM is the best it dose

not get killed in your stomach when you take it.

Diindolylmethane (DIM) is a stable indole found in cruciferous vegetables which

promotes a beneficial estrogen metabolism in both women and men.

http://www.dimfaq.com/index.htm

in this link it's full of links about it.

http://qualitycounts.com/fpdim.html

http://www.jbc.org/content/278/23/21136.full

If you have DIM in caps it's not Indolplex so to take this and to get it to work

open the cap pore the DIM into a spoon add some Olive oil and take it this helps

to keep it from getting killed in your stomach.

The following is some links to where you can buy Indolplex/DIM.

http://www.vitaglo.com/e5336.html

http://www.vitacost.com/EnzymaticTherapyEstroBalancewithDIM/searchby-PN/searchte\

xt-dim

http://www.iherb.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Pure-Rip-with-DIM-60-Tablets/12814?at=0

http://www.iherb.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Pure-Rip-with-DIM-60-Tablets/12814?at=0

http://www.estrobalance.net/

http://www.easyhealthzone.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=PP0108 & click=71

http://www.nbizz.com/longevityclinic/listings/213.html

http://www.drugnatural.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD & Store_Code=DMOS & Product_\

Code=156497

http://www.smartbomb.com/itindo9.html?utm_source=mercent & utm_medium=shopcompare & \

utm_content=itindo9 & utm_campaign=mbsdb & mr:trackingCode=C6AEFBD1-E681-DE11-B7F3-0\

019B9C043EB & mr:referralID=NA

http://www.ritecare.com/cgi-bin/cart.pl?db=product_db.dat & category=natural+medic\

ine & method=any_words & search=iti-75336

http://www.naturamart.com/phytopharmica-pms-formula-with-indoplex-120-caps.html

How to take Indolplex/DIM take one tablet 120 mgs at dinner time it can take 2

weeks to 2 months to get your Estradiol levels down it’s all about how high

you are in your levels. What you need to do is get this down to about 20 pg/ml.

When you get this low your night time and morning wood will come back so strong

it will wake you up this means most of the time your at your best levels or what

I call the sweet spot. Keep taking the DIM but if your wood stops your going

down to low so just stop taking it. The day your wood comes back go back on

the DIM but cut the tablet in half. If your Testosterone was tested and low but

your not on TRT get it tested again you might find your levels came up some 200

to 300 points.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174

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If you get Arimidex here is my file about it.

How To Take Arimdex and not go down on your Estradiol to Low.

What I found is if you go to low taking arimidex, it's the length of time your

to low, if your too low say for 8 weeks it can take your body a longer time to

make more Estradiol. Bottom line is to know how not to go to low. Keep a log on

your dose and how you feel men going to low can't get it up taking Viagra. I

went to low when I first tried Arimidex and did not know about going to low or

how one feels to low, so I was low a good 8 weeks. I did not know I was low

until my next labs.

The best gage I have found to control your Estradiol levels is to gage your

night time and morning wood. At good levels or what I call the sweet spot you

get your night time and morning wood back so strong it will wake you up and you

can hang a coat on it.

Most men do good taking .25 mgs or 1/4 of a 1mg. pill, I use a pill cutter to

cut the small pill in half then I stand it on the cut end and use a single edge

razor to cut this in half. A good way to take arimidex is by how high your

levels are. I tested over 90 pg/ml so we tried doing .5 mgs every other day

after 8 weeks my next set of labs showed it did not move below 90, test said

>90. So we did .5 mgs. every day in about 2 weeks I got some strong night time

and morning wood back after not having them for many yrs.

I kept doing this dose and in 8 weeks my next set of labs said <20 back in the

day labs were like this they did not have to good labs we have today they could

not read lower the 20. My Dr. told me this looks to low to stop taking the

Arimidex. The one thing I noticed was my wood stopped and stopping the Arimidex

my wood came back in about 7 weeks my next test at 8 weeks was 24 pg/ml. So we

went back on the Arimidex but the Dr. told me to take .5 mgs every 3 days I was

on this dose not a week and lost wood. This is when I figured out going to low

you lose wood. And the longer your too low the longer it takes to get levels

back up.

I stopped the arimidex right away and got my wood back in 4 days. I then after

playing with the dose for a time found the best dose is .25mgs every 2 to 3

days.

So lets say your labs are less the 50 pg/ml if your take .5 mgs you can go down

so dam fast your miss the sweet spot of your wood and go to low. It's best with

lower levels 50 and under to do less Arimidex .25mgs every 2 days if later your

lose wood when it comes back go to every 3 days.

I have found estradiol is the hardest hormone to control, it goes up or down

from month to month some times I need .25mgs every 2 days other times I need

..25mgs everyday most of the time I do well on every 3 days.

So between wood and labs I do great and so do most of the men I have told this

to. I keep a log on how much I am taking and how I feel. Doing this and reading

back in my log I was able to tell when I was going to high or to low my Dr. lets

me dose my arimidex by how I feel.

Over the yrs. I have posted this story until I am blue in the face.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Dale <etherial@...>

> Subject: DIM Headaches

>

> Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 1:30 PM

> I just started taking Estro-balance

> Indoplex complex 120mg.

>

> I take it with dinner around 6PM and wake up with a

> terrible headache around 3AM the next morning.

>

> This has happened 3 days in a row and the headaches are bad

> enough that I am thinking of stopping DIM.

>

> Does anyone have some insight into this?

> Should I get some TMG? Cut the DIM tablets in Half?

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Phil.

I have tried DIM before and had headaches that went away when I stopped taking

it. This is my second try.

If headaches are not usual then this could be an interaction with Tongkat Ali.

It takes about a week to clear the system of Tongkat Ali. So I will quit

everything for a week and then re-introduce DIM and see how that goes.

Unfortunately I was not able to convince my uro to test estradiol but I am

through with this guy anyways. My next stop will be an edno.

Most of the Endos here in western Canada seem to be preoccupied with diabetes

and it could take months to get in to see one of the better ones. Such is

socialized medicine.

After endos there are naturopaths but they are outside the system so I would

need to pay hard cash. I need to eliminate all possibilities inside the system

first.

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> > From: Dale <etherial@...>

> > Subject: DIM Headaches

> >

> > Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 1:30 PM

> > I just started taking Estro-balance

> > Indoplex complex 120mg.

> >

> > I take it with dinner around 6PM and wake up with a

> > terrible headache around 3AM the next morning.

> >

> > This has happened 3 days in a row and the headaches are bad

> > enough that I am thinking of stopping DIM.

> >

> > Does anyone have some insight into this?

> > Should I get some TMG? Cut the DIM tablets in Half?

> >

> >

> >

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> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I did have some problems taking DIM with other supplements and med but I was

breaking out in a rash. Give this a try and if you need to see the naturopaths

the cost is worth it and it will cost you less as you get into treatment.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Dale <etherial@...>

> Subject: Re: DIM Headaches

>

> Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 2:29 PM

> Hi Phil.

>   I have tried DIM before and had headaches that went

> away when I stopped taking it.  This is my second

> try. 

> If headaches are not usual then this could be an

> interaction with Tongkat Ali.

> It takes about a week to clear the system of Tongkat

> Ali.  So I will quit everything for a week and then

> re-introduce DIM and see how that goes.

>

> Unfortunately I was not able to convince my uro to test

> estradiol but I am through with this guy anyways.  My

> next stop will be an edno.

> Most of the Endos here in western Canada seem to be

> preoccupied with diabetes and it could take months to get in

> to see one of the better ones. Such is socialized medicine.

>

> After endos there are naturopaths but they are outside the

> system so I would need to pay hard cash.  I need to

> eliminate all possibilities inside the system first.

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > > From: Dale <etherial@...>

> > > Subject: DIM Headaches

> > >

> > > Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 1:30 PM

> > > I just started taking Estro-balance

> > > Indoplex complex 120mg.

> > >

> > > I take it with dinner around 6PM and wake up with

> a

> > > terrible headache around 3AM the next morning.

> > >

> > > This has happened 3 days in a row and the

> headaches are bad

> > > enough that I am thinking of stopping DIM.

> > >

> > > Does anyone have some insight into this?

> > > Should I get some TMG? Cut the DIM tablets in

> Half?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Depends on who the naturopaths are because I actually have a few that actually

consult with me on cases they get stuck on as well as there own personal health

issues. These are people that have gone to top schools and should know the

information to questions that are asking. I'm getting deeper in helping

autistic childer and working along with a few DAN dr's to help these childern. A

fellow brotheren of mine asked me to assit him.. Be careful of who is labeled a

naturopaths because there are only a few true naturopathic medical schools out

there.

> > >

> > > > From: Dale <etherial@>

> > > > Subject: DIM Headaches

> > > >

> > > > Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 1:30 PM

> > > > I just started taking Estro-balance

> > > > Indoplex complex 120mg.

> > > >

> > > > I take it with dinner around 6PM and wake up with

> > a

> > > > terrible headache around 3AM the next morning.

> > > >

> > > > This has happened 3 days in a row and the

> > headaches are bad

> > > > enough that I am thinking of stopping DIM.

> > > >

> > > > Does anyone have some insight into this?

> > > > Should I get some TMG? Cut the DIM tablets in

> > Half?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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