Guest guest Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 Your having liver issues because it can not handle the excessive over load of estrogen that can not be metabolized properly resulting in waking you up at night time. in Chinese medicine the liver regenerates at 1-4 pm. SO basically gettin up in middle of the night is liver imbalances.. > > I just started taking Estro-balance Indoplex complex 120mg. > > I take it with dinner around 6PM and wake up with a terrible headache around 3AM the next morning. > > This has happened 3 days in a row and the headaches are bad enough that I am thinking of stopping DIM. > > Does anyone have some insight into this? > Should I get some TMG? Cut the DIM tablets in Half? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 It is not something that happens on DIM most of ones problem are stomach upset. But it's something you need to try so stop taking it and see how you feel. Or try a different brand. Hear is a link to what your taking. http://organicpharmacy.org/products/EstroBalance/SKU:ET05336 The following is a file I put together about DIM and links of where to buy it. Or get some Arimidex what are your Estradiol levels. ==================================================== ALL ABOUT DIM. Sure here is a few links that are all about it. But there are a lot of Co.'s out there selling DIM that don't work well. Indolplex/DIM is the best it dose not get killed in your stomach when you take it. Diindolylmethane (DIM) is a stable indole found in cruciferous vegetables which promotes a beneficial estrogen metabolism in both women and men. http://www.dimfaq.com/index.htm in this link it's full of links about it. http://qualitycounts.com/fpdim.html http://www.jbc.org/content/278/23/21136.full If you have DIM in caps it's not Indolplex so to take this and to get it to work open the cap pore the DIM into a spoon add some Olive oil and take it this helps to keep it from getting killed in your stomach. The following is some links to where you can buy Indolplex/DIM. http://www.vitaglo.com/e5336.html http://www.vitacost.com/EnzymaticTherapyEstroBalancewithDIM/searchby-PN/searchte\ xt-dim http://www.iherb.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Pure-Rip-with-DIM-60-Tablets/12814?at=0 http://www.iherb.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Pure-Rip-with-DIM-60-Tablets/12814?at=0 http://www.estrobalance.net/ http://www.easyhealthzone.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=PP0108 & click=71 http://www.nbizz.com/longevityclinic/listings/213.html http://www.drugnatural.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD & Store_Code=DMOS & Product_\ Code=156497 http://www.smartbomb.com/itindo9.html?utm_source=mercent & utm_medium=shopcompare & \ utm_content=itindo9 & utm_campaign=mbsdb & mr:trackingCode=C6AEFBD1-E681-DE11-B7F3-0\ 019B9C043EB & mr:referralID=NA http://www.ritecare.com/cgi-bin/cart.pl?db=product_db.dat & category=natural+medic\ ine & method=any_words & search=iti-75336 http://www.naturamart.com/phytopharmica-pms-formula-with-indoplex-120-caps.html How to take Indolplex/DIM take one tablet 120 mgs at dinner time it can take 2 weeks to 2 months to get your Estradiol levels down it’s all about how high you are in your levels. What you need to do is get this down to about 20 pg/ml. When you get this low your night time and morning wood will come back so strong it will wake you up this means most of the time your at your best levels or what I call the sweet spot. Keep taking the DIM but if your wood stops your going down to low so just stop taking it. The day your wood comes back go back on the DIM but cut the tablet in half. If your Testosterone was tested and low but your not on TRT get it tested again you might find your levels came up some 200 to 300 points. http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174 ==================================================== If you get Arimidex here is my file about it. How To Take Arimdex and not go down on your Estradiol to Low. What I found is if you go to low taking arimidex, it's the length of time your to low, if your too low say for 8 weeks it can take your body a longer time to make more Estradiol. Bottom line is to know how not to go to low. Keep a log on your dose and how you feel men going to low can't get it up taking Viagra. I went to low when I first tried Arimidex and did not know about going to low or how one feels to low, so I was low a good 8 weeks. I did not know I was low until my next labs. The best gage I have found to control your Estradiol levels is to gage your night time and morning wood. At good levels or what I call the sweet spot you get your night time and morning wood back so strong it will wake you up and you can hang a coat on it. Most men do good taking .25 mgs or 1/4 of a 1mg. pill, I use a pill cutter to cut the small pill in half then I stand it on the cut end and use a single edge razor to cut this in half. A good way to take arimidex is by how high your levels are. I tested over 90 pg/ml so we tried doing .5 mgs every other day after 8 weeks my next set of labs showed it did not move below 90, test said >90. So we did .5 mgs. every day in about 2 weeks I got some strong night time and morning wood back after not having them for many yrs. I kept doing this dose and in 8 weeks my next set of labs said <20 back in the day labs were like this they did not have to good labs we have today they could not read lower the 20. My Dr. told me this looks to low to stop taking the Arimidex. The one thing I noticed was my wood stopped and stopping the Arimidex my wood came back in about 7 weeks my next test at 8 weeks was 24 pg/ml. So we went back on the Arimidex but the Dr. told me to take .5 mgs every 3 days I was on this dose not a week and lost wood. This is when I figured out going to low you lose wood. And the longer your too low the longer it takes to get levels back up. I stopped the arimidex right away and got my wood back in 4 days. I then after playing with the dose for a time found the best dose is .25mgs every 2 to 3 days. So lets say your labs are less the 50 pg/ml if your take .5 mgs you can go down so dam fast your miss the sweet spot of your wood and go to low. It's best with lower levels 50 and under to do less Arimidex .25mgs every 2 days if later your lose wood when it comes back go to every 3 days. I have found estradiol is the hardest hormone to control, it goes up or down from month to month some times I need .25mgs every 2 days other times I need ..25mgs everyday most of the time I do well on every 3 days. So between wood and labs I do great and so do most of the men I have told this to. I keep a log on how much I am taking and how I feel. Doing this and reading back in my log I was able to tell when I was going to high or to low my Dr. lets me dose my arimidex by how I feel. Over the yrs. I have posted this story until I am blue in the face. Co-Moderator Phil > From: Dale <etherial@...> > Subject: DIM Headaches > > Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 1:30 PM > I just started taking Estro-balance > Indoplex complex 120mg. > > I take it with dinner around 6PM and wake up with a > terrible headache around 3AM the next morning. > > This has happened 3 days in a row and the headaches are bad > enough that I am thinking of stopping DIM. > > Does anyone have some insight into this? > Should I get some TMG? Cut the DIM tablets in Half? > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 Hi Phil. I have tried DIM before and had headaches that went away when I stopped taking it. This is my second try. If headaches are not usual then this could be an interaction with Tongkat Ali. It takes about a week to clear the system of Tongkat Ali. So I will quit everything for a week and then re-introduce DIM and see how that goes. Unfortunately I was not able to convince my uro to test estradiol but I am through with this guy anyways. My next stop will be an edno. Most of the Endos here in western Canada seem to be preoccupied with diabetes and it could take months to get in to see one of the better ones. Such is socialized medicine. After endos there are naturopaths but they are outside the system so I would need to pay hard cash. I need to eliminate all possibilities inside the system first. > > > From: Dale <etherial@...> > > Subject: DIM Headaches > > > > Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 1:30 PM > > I just started taking Estro-balance > > Indoplex complex 120mg. > > > > I take it with dinner around 6PM and wake up with a > > terrible headache around 3AM the next morning. > > > > This has happened 3 days in a row and the headaches are bad > > enough that I am thinking of stopping DIM. > > > > Does anyone have some insight into this? > > Should I get some TMG? Cut the DIM tablets in Half? > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 I did have some problems taking DIM with other supplements and med but I was breaking out in a rash. Give this a try and if you need to see the naturopaths the cost is worth it and it will cost you less as you get into treatment. Co-Moderator Phil > From: Dale <etherial@...> > Subject: Re: DIM Headaches > > Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 2:29 PM > Hi Phil. >  I have tried DIM before and had headaches that went > away when I stopped taking it. This is my second > try. > If headaches are not usual then this could be an > interaction with Tongkat Ali. > It takes about a week to clear the system of Tongkat > Ali. So I will quit everything for a week and then > re-introduce DIM and see how that goes. > > Unfortunately I was not able to convince my uro to test > estradiol but I am through with this guy anyways. My > next stop will be an edno. > Most of the Endos here in western Canada seem to be > preoccupied with diabetes and it could take months to get in > to see one of the better ones. Such is socialized medicine. > > After endos there are naturopaths but they are outside the > system so I would need to pay hard cash. I need to > eliminate all possibilities inside the system first. > > > > > > > > > > From: Dale <etherial@...> > > > Subject: DIM Headaches > > > > > > Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 1:30 PM > > > I just started taking Estro-balance > > > Indoplex complex 120mg. > > > > > > I take it with dinner around 6PM and wake up with > a > > > terrible headache around 3AM the next morning. > > > > > > This has happened 3 days in a row and the > headaches are bad > > > enough that I am thinking of stopping DIM. > > > > > > Does anyone have some insight into this? > > > Should I get some TMG? Cut the DIM tablets in > Half? > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 Depends on who the naturopaths are because I actually have a few that actually consult with me on cases they get stuck on as well as there own personal health issues. These are people that have gone to top schools and should know the information to questions that are asking. I'm getting deeper in helping autistic childer and working along with a few DAN dr's to help these childern. A fellow brotheren of mine asked me to assit him.. Be careful of who is labeled a naturopaths because there are only a few true naturopathic medical schools out there. > > > > > > > From: Dale <etherial@> > > > > Subject: DIM Headaches > > > > > > > > Date: Monday, April 5, 2010, 1:30 PM > > > > I just started taking Estro-balance > > > > Indoplex complex 120mg. > > > > > > > > I take it with dinner around 6PM and wake up with > > a > > > > terrible headache around 3AM the next morning. > > > > > > > > This has happened 3 days in a row and the > > headaches are bad > > > > enough that I am thinking of stopping DIM. > > > > > > > > Does anyone have some insight into this? > > > > Should I get some TMG? Cut the DIM tablets in > > Half? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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