Re: My dose adjustment

[Guest guest]

If your levels are in check and you still do not feel well then look towards

potential adrenal and thyroid imbalances. After several years of studying

thyroid I am finally starting to understand it and patients have been getting

improved results with slight modifications. Nothing more satifiying see people

go from barely functioning jobless to back to full time work after proper levels

for their bodies have been met.

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> 400 test cyp every 2 weeks and my libido was ok. Changed to 100 a week still

ok. Split 100 to every 3.5 days and my libido was better but still ok, now

lowered it to 40 every 3 days and libido is through the roof! Less test which

lowered estrogen obviously did the job.

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for posting this. DH started at 100 mg/wk and is now down to 30 mg

every 5 days and feeling better. He might even do better at 20 mg? I'm

starting to think many have an estradiol problem because they're overdosed, and

the body can only handle x mg of test at once, regardless of the number of days

in-between.

Barb

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> 400 test cyp every 2 weeks and my libido was ok. Changed to 100 a week still

ok. Split 100 to every 3.5 days and my libido was better but still ok, now

lowered it to 40 every 3 days and libido is through the roof! Less test which

lowered estrogen obviously did the job.

>

[Guest guest]

That is great news thanks for posting this it's good to hear men doing better

and how.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: andrenym007 <no_reply >

> Subject: My dose adjustment

>

> Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 10:34 AM

> 400 test cyp every 2 weeks and my

> libido was ok. Changed to 100 a week still ok. Split 100 to

> every 3.5 days and my libido was better but still ok, now

> lowered it to 40 every 3 days and libido is through the

> roof! Less test which lowered estrogen obviously did the

> job.

>

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[Guest guest]

Intresting!

My dose adjustment

> 400 test cyp every 2 weeks and my libido was ok. Changed to 100 a week

> still ok. Split 100 to every 3.5 days and my libido was better but still

> ok, now lowered it to 40 every 3 days and libido is through the roof! Less

> test which lowered estrogen obviously did the job.

[Guest guest]

This is a copy of a post by a mod at Dr. 's forum chilln very good.

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E2 Sweet Spot by Chilln at Dr. ’s forum.

continued from post #8 in this thread, ie:

http://musclechatroom.com/forum/show...14 & postcount=8

PLAN A:

The healthiest method of optimizing E2 levels is to simply minimize your T

boost, to the point which is " just above " your minimum acceptable level of

damage tolerance.

###

* If you exercise very hard, you're going to need a lot more T than if you

exercise very little.

* Reducing your T boosters will reduce both your maximum T levels, and your

minimum T levels. This works if you metabolize T relatively slowly, in which

case your minimum T levels will not be too low.

* But if you metabolize T very quickly, then you may find that this method lets

your minimum T levels drop too low.

* As you and your medical professional adviser gradually lower your maximum T

levels, your E2 levels will also reduce, and hopefully you will find a balance

between T and E2 which suits your sexual performance goals.

* If you discover that by using this method, you can occasionally experience

optimum sexual performance, then your ability to maintain that for extended

periods is dependant on how stable your E2 levels are, and the stability of your

E2 levels depends on minimizing your maximum T levels, and ensuring your minimum

T levels are still adequate (no sore joints, no sore back, no stiff neck, don't

catch flu quickly).

* Keep gradually reducing your maximum T levels, looking for your E2 sweet spot,

until eventually your minimum T levels are too low during the day / week (ie:

sore joints, or sore back, or you catch a flu quickly).

###

If you haven't experienced a sweet spot for your E2 usign this method, then you

need to consider PLAN B.

PLAN B:

Always attempt PLAN B if PLAN A fails to deliver the goods. Don't skip PLAN B.

For those who supplement using transdermal T, reduce your maximum daily T levels

by taking less-than-half-of-your-existing-daily-dosage-of-T, twice per day.

For those who supplement using injected T ester (eg: T cypionate), reduce your

maximum weekly T levels by either:

a) taking less-than-half-of-your-existing-weekly-dosage-of-T, twice-per-week,

or

taking less-than-3/7-of-your-existing-weekly-dosage-of-T, once-every-3-days.

###

* This will definitely reduce your peak T levels, while still ensuring that your

minimum T levels do not drop.

* The additional reduction in max T levels, without reducing your minimum T

levels, will further allow your E2 levels to reduce, and hopefully that's enough

to find your E2 sweet spot.

* The equivalent mechanism for those who supplement using injected T esters (eg:

testosterone cypionate) is to take

less-than-half-of-your-existing-weekly-dosage-of-T, twice per week, or

less-than-3/7-of-your-existing-weekly-dosage-of-T, every 3 days.

* As you and your medical professional adviser gradually lower your maximum T

levels, your E2 levels will also reduce, and hopefully you will find a balance

between T and E2 which suits your sexual performance goals.

* If you discover that by using this method, you can occasionally experience

optimum sexual performance, then your ability to maintain that for extended

periods is dependant on how stable your E2 levels are, and the stability of your

E2 levels depends on your maximum T levels (not your minimum T levels).

###

But you may discover that you still cannot find a sweet spot for both T and E2

using just this method. In which case consider PLAN C.

PLAN C: ( OPTIONAL)

This option is only available if you initially started out on a transdermal

formulation of T.

Switch from using a transdermal formulation of T to using an injected form of T

ester - eg: " T cyp " (testosterone cypionate).

Initially try once-per-week dosing, but switch to twice-per-week, or

once-every-3-days dosing if you need to lower E2 levels even further.

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* Our body makes E2 out of T, using the " aromatase " enzyme, and we have high

concentrations of aromatase enzymes in our subcutaneous body fat.

* The transdermal forumations of T convert into more E2 and DHT than the

injected T esters, because the transdermal formulations place the T in close

proximity to the large concentration of aromatase enzymes in our body fat, while

the injected T esters are designed for intra-muscular injection (not

subcutanoues) and therefore the T is placed a long long way from those aromate

enzymes in our body fat.

* After switching from transdermal T to injected T esters, your E2 levels should

also reduce, and hopefully you will find a balance between T and E2 which suits

your sexual performance goals, but the stability of your E2 levels still depends

on your maximum T levels (not your minimum T levels).

* Initially try once-per-week dosing as discussed in PLAN B for T cyp users.

* If using once-per-week dosing continues to result in too high maximum levels

of T, while you are trying to ensure that your minimum T throughout the week is

still above your minimum requirements for T, then you will need to add back the

PLAN B multiple-times-per-week dosing - even for T cyp.

###

But you may discover that you still cannot find a sweet spot for both T and E2

using just this method. In which case consider PLAN D.

PLAN D:

This alternative is to adjust both your T and HCG dosages, and use arimidex /

anastrozole to optimize E2.

But you should still be implementing the multiple-times-per-day dosing

methodology from PLAN B and the final stage of PLAN C

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* This is not a trivial concept. You will be messing with T and E2 levels for

months.

* The most important concept with arimidex / anastrozole supplementtion is very

reliable and accurate dosing. I very strongly recommend that you and your

medical professional adviser adopt a more frequent dosing of arimidex /

anastrozole than once-every-two-days, ie: by adopting daily dosing of arimidex /

anastrozole, using small-but-reliable doses of compounded arimidex /

anastrozole.

....This is detailed here:

....http://musclechatroom.com/forum/show...6 & postcount=31

* You may find that you need 0.1mg per day, or 0.15mg per day, or 0.2mg per day,

instead of 0.5mg every second day.

* After adjusting arimidex dosages and T dosages, you will definitely discover

occasional optimum T versus E2 balance, and with that you will achieve

occasional optimum sexual performance. Whether you can maintain that optimum

sexual performance for the majority of each week is dependant on how stable your

E2 levels are, and the stability of your E2 levels depends on your maximum T

levels.

###

But you may discover that you still cannot find a sweet spot for both T and E2

using just this method. In which case consider PLAN E.

PLAN E:

Boost T even less than before, and boost GH to provide the additional damage

tolerance lost from the reduction in T levels.

But continue to maintain using the multiple-times-per-day dosing methodology

used in the final stages of the previous plans.

But back off the arimidex / anastrozole completely.

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* Both T and GH trigger many of the same repairs (not 100% overlap) so you can

safely reduce T, if you boost GH.

* By further reducing your peak T levels, you further reduce the rate of

conversion of T into E2. This assumes you reduce your supplemental T dosage when

you add in the boost to GH.

* By further reducing your peak T levels, your T and E2 levels will be more

stable, and you'll find it easier to find your sweet spot for E2.

But you may discover that you still cannot find a sweet spot for both T and E2

using just this method. In which case consider PLAN F.

PLAN F

This is simply the combination of PLAN E (GH boost, multiple times-per-day/week

dosing) plus compounded arimidex / anastrozole.

###

* This should only be necessary if:

....a) you haven't been able to afford sufficient recombinant GH to allow you to

reduce your T levels by an adequate amount.

or

.... your can only afford GHRP-6, not recombinant GH, and your body's response

to the GHRP-6 is inadequate amounts of GH.

..

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Last edited by chilln; 16 Hours Ago at 07:12 PM.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Brett Savage <brshop@...>

> Subject: Re: My dose adjustment

>

> Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2010, 7:31 PM

> Intresting!

> My dose adjustment

>

>

> > 400 test cyp every 2 weeks and my libido was ok.

> Changed to 100 a week

> > still ok. Split 100 to every 3.5 days and my libido

> was better but still

> > ok, now lowered it to 40 every 3 days and libido is

> through the roof! Less

> > test which lowered estrogen obviously did the job.

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

How long did you stay on your adjusted dose before trying to lower it more?

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> 400 test cyp every 2 weeks and my libido was ok. Changed to 100 a week still

ok. Split 100 to every 3.5 days and my libido was better but still ok, now

lowered it to 40 every 3 days and libido is through the roof! Less test which

lowered estrogen obviously did the job.

>

[Guest guest]

A couple weeks. One thing I just started is supplementing vitamin d and fish oil

which could also have to do with feeling alot better.

> >

> > 400 test cyp every 2 weeks and my libido was ok. Changed to 100 a week still

ok. Split 100 to every 3.5 days and my libido was better but still ok, now

lowered it to 40 every 3 days and libido is through the roof! Less test which

lowered estrogen obviously did the job.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I had my Vit. D level checked a few weeks ago. It was at the low end of

normal.It was suggested to me that it should be mid-upper level.I was getting

what I would describe as hypoglycemia type symptoms. I know my glucose levels

are ok since I have a monitor.

I was taking 16000iu Vit D / day. I upped it to 24000iu/ day. This seemed to

help a lot. I haven't felt that bad with those type of symptoms. I wouldn't

suggest you do this without talking to your doc though. My Vit. D level is

stubborn.

> > >

> > > 400 test cyp every 2 weeks and my libido was ok. Changed to 100 a week

still ok. Split 100 to every 3.5 days and my libido was better but still ok, now

lowered it to 40 every 3 days and libido is through the roof! Less test which

lowered estrogen obviously did the job.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

To put ones mind at ease watch this link about Vid.D. The Dr. says you can't OD

on it.

http://www.uvadvantage.org/portals/0/pres/

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: My dose adjustment

>

> Date: Friday, May 21, 2010, 6:51 AM

> I had my Vit. D level checked a few

> weeks ago. It was at the low end of normal.It was suggested

> to me that it should be mid-upper level.I was getting what I

> would describe as hypoglycemia type symptoms. I know my

> glucose levels are ok since I have a monitor.

>

> I was taking 16000iu Vit D / day. I upped it to 24000iu/

> day. This seemed to help a lot. I haven't felt that bad with

> those type of symptoms. I wouldn't suggest you do this

> without talking to your doc though. My Vit. D level is

> stubborn.

>

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> > > > 400 test cyp every 2 weeks and my libido was

> ok. Changed to 100 a week still ok. Split 100 to every 3.5

> days and my libido was better but still ok, now lowered it

> to 40 every 3 days and libido is through the roof! Less test

> which lowered estrogen obviously did the job.

> > > >

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