Re: I am Back on Growth Hormone.- - Hyper?

May 20, 2010

Hi Barb,

Can you explain more about what your saying about low ferritin making one

hyper? My ferritin is very low (4) but all other iron levels were well

within the proper range. Neither my former PA or my new DO are concerned

with this.

I do go from being very depressed in the morning to often pinging off

the walls hyper sometimes by late afternoon. Do you think this could have

something to do with Ferritin being low? I haven't seen the actual lab

report yet but new DO Dr. says my thyroid levels are all OK. I am on TRT

taking DIM and occasional Arimidex to keep E2 down.

Brett

Re: I am Back on Growth Hormone.

> You have a serious rT3 problem causing you to be even more hypo than your

> labs look. Your FT3/rT3 ratio is 8 and it should be over 20. I would

> expect that the Synthroid would only make your rT3 worse. You had a bad

> reaction to Armour? When you say " hyper " do you mean it made you anxious?

> That could be from low ferritin.

>

> When my rT3 was bad I was retaining water in my knee and couldn't bend it.

> I switched from Armour to Armour + T3 for awhile and the swelling finally

> went down and I could bend it again. I am now on 100% Erfa. I would

> think you would need to be on a T3-type med, not Synthroid.

>

> JMHO,

> Barb

>

>>

>> I just got back from seeing Dr. he put me back on HGH but at a lower dose

>> .15 mgs half of what I was on. My Thyroid is looking bad TSH is 5.27 top

>> of range 4.5mIU/l.

>> T4 Total 6.9 top of range 12.5 mcg/dL.

>> T4 Free .8 top of range 1.8 ng/dL.

>> T3 Free 285 top of range 420 pg/dL.

>> T3 Total 100 top of range 181 ng/dL.

>> RT3 34 top of range 32 ng/dL.

>> He started me on Synthroid 150mcgs / day.

>> And he said my Thyroid will pick up again on the Growth Hormone so no

>> Armour he feels I will go hyper again on it.

>>

>> He said we will not change my Test C dose until I am on HGH for a time.

>> I am holding a lot of water bad he says it's Thyroid doing this.

>>

>> IGF-1 is 145 top of range is 228 ng/ml for my age.

>>

>> Total T is 854 top of range is 1100 ng/dL.

>> Free T is 227.1 top of range is 224 pg/mL.

>> Bio. T is 447.4 top of range is 575 ng/dL.

>> SHBG is 16 range is 17 to 54 nmoI/L

>> Estradiol is 27 top of range is 54 pg/ml this is test #4021.

>>

>> I pray I don't have a problem with going back on this HGH he told me I

>> need to be on this and he only took me off so he could lower the dose.

>>

>> My E2 is this high taking .5 mgs of Arimidex / day.

>>

>> I hate LabCorp but is Quest stops doing the E2 test #4021 I will use

>> them. Back in the day I had to use them my Health Care Plain would only

>> pay for LabCorp but every other time I did labs they messed them up.

May 20, 2010

Same thing here my iron looked good but my Ferritin was below normal. My new

Dr. put me on Iron pills with Vit. C wow did this make me feel better but took

months. You need to take about 200 mgs of Elemental Iron per day. I take this

every 12 hrs. with vit C.

http://www.walgreens.com/store/catalog/Minerals/Ferrous-Fumarate-324-mg/ID=prod1\

194792 & navCount=0 & navAction=push-product

http://www.myvitanet.com/supbiocbuf36.html

My Dr. dose these labs every 8 weeks on this.

Estradiol sensitive Code #4021

Testosterone, Free, Bioavailable & Total LC/MS/MS Code # 14966X.

Homocysteine (Caridioviasular) Code #31789X.

Vit.D, 25-Hydroxy LC/MS/MS Code #17306X.

TSH

Free T4

Free T3

Total T3

Total T4

RT3

Total Iron

Iron Binding Capacity

Iron % Saturation

Ferritin

B-12

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Brett Savage <brshop@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: I am Back on Growth Hormone.- - Hyper?

>

> Date: Thursday, May 20, 2010, 4:48 PM

> Hi Barb,

> Can you explain more about what your

> saying about low ferritin making one

> hyper? My ferritin is very low (4) but all other iron

> levels were well

> within the proper range. Neither my former PA or my

> new DO are concerned

> with this.

> I do go from being very depressed in the

> morning to often pinging off

> the walls hyper sometimes by late afternoon. Do you

> think this could have

> something to do with Ferritin being low? I

> haven't seen the actual lab

> report yet but new DO Dr. says my thyroid levels are all

> OK. I am on TRT

> taking DIM and occasional Arimidex to keep E2 down.

> Brett

> Re: I am Back on Growth Hormone.

>

> > You have a serious rT3 problem causing you to be even

> more hypo than your

> > labs look. Your FT3/rT3 ratio is 8 and it should

> be over 20. I would

> > expect that the Synthroid would only make your rT3

> worse. You had a bad

> > reaction to Armour? When you say " hyper " do you

> mean it made you anxious?

> > That could be from low ferritin.

> >

> > When my rT3 was bad I was retaining water in my knee

> and couldn't bend it.

> > I switched from Armour to Armour + T3 for awhile and

> the swelling finally

> > went down and I could bend it again. I am now on

> 100% Erfa. I would

> > think you would need to be on a T3-type med, not

> Synthroid.

> >

> > JMHO,

> > Barb

> >

> >>

> >> I just got back from seeing Dr. he put me back on

> HGH but at a lower dose

> >> .15 mgs half of what I was on. My Thyroid is

> looking bad TSH is 5.27 top

> >> of range 4.5mIU/l.

> >> T4 Total 6.9 top of range 12.5 mcg/dL.

> >> T4 Free .8 top of range 1.8 ng/dL.

> >> T3 Free 285 top of range 420 pg/dL.

> >> T3 Total 100 top of range 181 ng/dL.

> >> RT3 34 top of range 32 ng/dL.

> >> He started me on Synthroid 150mcgs / day.

> >> And he said my Thyroid will pick up again on the

> Growth Hormone so no

> >> Armour he feels I will go hyper again on it.

> >>

> >> He said we will not change my Test C dose until I

> am on HGH for a time.

> >> I am holding a lot of water bad he says it's

> Thyroid doing this.

> >>

> >> IGF-1 is 145 top of range is 228 ng/ml for my

> age.

> >>

> >> Total T is 854 top of range is 1100 ng/dL.

> >> Free T is 227.1 top of range is 224 pg/mL.

> >> Bio. T is 447.4 top of range is 575 ng/dL.

> >> SHBG is 16 range is 17 to 54 nmoI/L

> >> Estradiol is 27 top of range is 54 pg/ml this is

> test #4021.

> >>

> >> I pray I don't have a problem with going back on

> this HGH he told me I

> >> need to be on this and he only took me off so he

> could lower the dose.

> >>

> >> My E2 is this high taking .5 mgs of Arimidex /

> day.

> >>

> >> I hate LabCorp but is Quest stops doing the E2

> test #4021 I will use

> >> them. Back in the day I had to use them my

> Health Care Plain would only

> >> pay for LabCorp but every other time I did labs

> they messed them up.

>

> ------------------------------------

>

May 20, 2010

First person accounts from others describe extreme anxiety, like " shooting out

of a cannon, " if they take a T3 thyroid drug with low ferritin.

Cortisol is the only thing I know of that changes dramatically throughout the

day, and this can affect your mood. Have you ever had a 4x/day saliva cortisol

test?

I would want to see your thyroid labs (free T3, free T4, reverse T3). " Normal "

includes 95% of the population, including hypos. Optimal is about 70%+ of the

range for Free T3.

Depression is often low T3, and you need adequate cortisol to get the thyroid

into the cells. Some people have very low morning cortisol, which makes it hard

for them to get up. There is an ACTH feedback loop that controls cortisol (like

TSH for thyroid), and your ACTH can go into overdrive because your morning

cortisol was low, with your cortisol levels finally catching up in the

afternoon, which could explain your afternoon hyperness.

Barb

> >>

> >> I just got back from seeing Dr. he put me back on HGH but at a lower dose

> >> .15 mgs half of what I was on. My Thyroid is looking bad TSH is 5.27 top

> >> of range 4.5mIU/l.

> >> T4 Total 6.9 top of range 12.5 mcg/dL.

> >> T4 Free .8 top of range 1.8 ng/dL.

> >> T3 Free 285 top of range 420 pg/dL.

> >> T3 Total 100 top of range 181 ng/dL.

> >> RT3 34 top of range 32 ng/dL.

> >> He started me on Synthroid 150mcgs / day.

> >> And he said my Thyroid will pick up again on the Growth Hormone so no

> >> Armour he feels I will go hyper again on it.

> >>

> >> He said we will not change my Test C dose until I am on HGH for a time.

> >> I am holding a lot of water bad he says it's Thyroid doing this.

> >>

> >> IGF-1 is 145 top of range is 228 ng/ml for my age.

> >>

> >> Total T is 854 top of range is 1100 ng/dL.

> >> Free T is 227.1 top of range is 224 pg/mL.

> >> Bio. T is 447.4 top of range is 575 ng/dL.

> >> SHBG is 16 range is 17 to 54 nmoI/L

> >> Estradiol is 27 top of range is 54 pg/ml this is test #4021.

> >>

> >> I pray I don't have a problem with going back on this HGH he told me I

> >> need to be on this and he only took me off so he could lower the dose.

> >>

> >> My E2 is this high taking .5 mgs of Arimidex / day.

> >>

> >> I hate LabCorp but is Quest stops doing the E2 test #4021 I will use

> >> them. Back in the day I had to use them my Health Care Plain would only

> >> pay for LabCorp but every other time I did labs they messed them up.

>

May 20, 2010

Thanks Barb,

No I haven't had the cortisol test. I am assuming that I do have

adrenal fatigue because the symptoms all fit and am following the vitamins

and DHEA recommendations in 's book " Adrenal Fatigue The 21st

Century Stress Syndrome " . Too early to tell for sure if it is helping but I

do think I am doing a little better. It's only been two weeks. I will post

my labs when I get a copy.

My DO says he doesn't know anything about Adrenal Fatigue. At least he