Guest guest Posted May 20, 2010 Report Share Posted May 20, 2010 i AM A 54 YEAR OLD, also in good health and decent fitness level.My libido was poor for past couple of years.My doc checked my test and told me it was above 300,so i continued to suffer. Several months ago it finally dropped below 300 and i began TRT.My libido now is very good.Making one wait till the level really bottoms out is uncalled for in my opinion.I now take 50mg Test evry 3 1/2 days and 250units HCG the day before the next test shot.Throw in some DIM,zinc and TMG and I'm good to go.Thanks to our moderator Phil for his recomendations. > > Hi, > > I'm a 55 y/o who is fairly healthy and have some libido issues. My test results were: > Testosterone Lvl - 382.8 ng/dl > > Should this cause problems with the libido?? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 > > > > Hi, > > > > I'm a 55 y/o who is fairly healthy and have some libido issues. My test results were: > > Testosterone Lvl - 382.8 ng/dl > > > > Should this cause problems with the libido?? > > > Do you think DIM, Zinc, and TMG alone would help raise my T level? Also, is TRT expensive?? BTW, what exactly is TMG? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 It can when your older I was 38 when I was first tested and my TT came in at 120 but until I hit 55 my sex life worked great just did not feel like having it. It was my Estradiol levels they were to high get this checked a good test for this is at Quest labs Estradiol E2 Sensitive test for men #4021. The range is 13 to 54 pg/ml best to be at about 20 if your over 30 let us know and we can tell you how to get this down. Also getting this down if your to high can bring your Total T levels back up higher some 200 to 300 points on labs. http://www.griffinmedical.com/male_hormone_modulation_therapy.html http://www.medibolics.com/ArimidexBoostsTestosterone.htm http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174 http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2008/nov2008_Dangers-of-Excess-Estrogen-in-the-Ag\ ing-Male_01.htm Co-Moderator Phil > From: ed <edhill_2006@...> > Subject: T results > > Date: Thursday, May 20, 2010, 7:07 PM > Hi, > > I'm a 55 y/o who is fairly healthy and have some libido > issues. My test results were: > Testosterone Lvl - 382.8 ng/dl > > Should this cause problems with the libido?? > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 If you read this link it talks about older men with high levels of Estradiol due to the Effects of Aromatase in the fat we put on as we get older. If you get this down your T levels came come up not on TRT some 200 to 300 Points. In men there brain sees high Estradiol as Testosterone so it thinks the high Estradiol is Testosterone and slows down sending the LH and FSH to the Testis and they end up lower on T. I see this even in younger men it is a must to test this because you can test low on Total T, LH and FSH and it will look like your Secondary or like you have a Pituitary problem. But if the Dr. would test your Estradiol with this and find it high your Total T, LH and FSH will look like this. And all you need to do is get your Estradiol down then the brain will see your T levels are low and send more LH and FSH to your testis to make more T and your levels will come back up. http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174 Co-Moderator Phil > From: ed <edhill_2006@...> > Subject: Re: T results > > Date: Friday, May 21, 2010, 7:54 AM > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I'm a 55 y/o who is fairly healthy and have some > libido issues. My test results were: > > > Testosterone Lvl - 382.8 ng/dl > > > > > > Should this cause problems with the libido?? > > > > > > > > Do you think DIM, Zinc, and TMG alone would help raise my T > level? Also, is TRT expensive?? BTW, what exactly is TMG? > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2010 Report Share Posted May 21, 2010 Get what down? Do you mean get the fat down? I am 5'11 " 212. I should probably be around 185. > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I'm a 55 y/o who is fairly healthy and have some > > libido issues. My test results were: > > > > Testosterone Lvl - 382.8 ng/dl > > > > > > > > Should this cause problems with the libido?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you think DIM, Zinc, and TMG alone would help raise my T > > level? Also, is TRT expensive?? BTW, what exactly is TMG? > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2010 Report Share Posted May 22, 2010 You need to get your Estradiol down if it's to high past 30 pg/ml. It would be dam hard to lose fat with a high Estradiol level. Most men take Arimidex to get this down or buy the supplement Indolplex/DIM. Here is some info I put together. ==================================================== How To Take Arimdex and not go down on your Estradiol to Low. What I found is if you go to low taking arimidex, it's the length of time your to low, if your too low say for 8 weeks it can take your body a longer time to make more Estradiol. Bottom line is to know how not to go to low. Keep a log on your dose and how you feel men going to low can't get it up taking Viagra. I went to low when I first tried Arimidex and did not know about going to low or how one feels to low, so I was low a good 8 weeks. I did not know I was low until my next labs. The best gage I have found to control your Estradiol levels is to gage your night time and morning wood. At good levels or what I call the sweet spot you get your night time and morning wood back so strong it will wake you up and you can hang a coat on it. Most men do good taking .25 mgs or 1/4 of a 1mg. pill, I use a pill cutter to cut the small pill in half then I stand it on the cut end and use a single edge razor to cut this in half. A good way to take arimidex is by how high your levels are. I tested over 90 pg/ml so we tried doing .5 mgs every other day after 8 weeks my next set of labs showed it did not move below 90, test said >90. So we did .5 mgs. every day in about 2 weeks I got some strong night time and morning wood back after not having them for many yrs. I kept doing this dose and in 8 weeks my next set of labs said <20 back in the day labs were like this they did not have to good labs we have today they could not read lower the 20. My Dr. told me this looks to low to stop taking the Arimidex. The one thing I noticed was my wood stopped and stopping the Arimidex my wood came back in about 7 weeks my next test at 8 weeks was 24 pg/ml. So we went back on the Arimidex but the Dr. told me to take .5 mgs every 3 days I was on this dose not a week and lost wood. This is when I figured out going to low you lose wood. And the longer your too low the longer it takes to get levels back up. I stopped the arimidex right away and got my wood back in 4 days. I then after playing with the dose for a time found the best dose is .25mgs every 2 to 3 days. So lets say your labs are less the 50 pg/ml if your take .5 mgs you can go down so dam fast your miss the sweet spot of your wood and go to low. It's best with lower levels 50 and under to do less Arimidex .25mgs every 2 days if later your lose wood when it comes back go to every 3 days. I have found estradiol is the hardest hormone to control, it goes up or down from month to month some times I need .25mgs every 2 days other times I need ..25mgs everyday most of the time I do well on every 3 days. So between wood and labs I do great and so do most of the men I have told this to. I keep a log on how much I am taking and how I feel. Doing this and reading back in my log I was able to tell when I was going to high or to low my Dr. lets me dose my arimidex by how I feel. Over the yrs. I have posted this story until I am blue in the face. ==================================================== ALL ABOUT DIM. Sure here is a few links that are all about it. But there are a lot of Co.'s out there selling DIM that don't work well. Indolplex/DIM is the best it dose not get killed in your stomach when you take it. Diindolylmethane (DIM) is a stable indole found in cruciferous vegetables which promotes a beneficial estrogen metabolism in both women and men. http://www.dimfaq.com/index.htm in this link it's full of links about it. http://qualitycounts.com/fpdim.html http://www.jbc.org/content/278/23/21136.full If you have DIM in caps it's not Indolplex so to take this and to get it to work open the cap pore the DIM into a spoon add some Olive oil and take it this helps to keep it from getting killed in your stomach. The following is some links to where you can buy Indolplex/DIM. http://www.vitaglo.com/e5336.html http://www.vitacost.com/EnzymaticTherapyEstroBalancewithDIM/searchby-PN/searchte\ xt-dim http://www.iherb.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Pure-Rip-with-DIM-60-Tablets/12814?at=0 http://www.iherb.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Pure-Rip-with-DIM-60-Tablets/12814?at=0 http://www.estrobalance.net/ http://www.easyhealthzone.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=PP0108 & click=71 http://www.nbizz.com/longevityclinic/listings/213.html http://www.drugnatural.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD & Store_Code=DMOS & Product_\ Code=156497 http://www.smartbomb.com/itindo9.html?utm_source=mercent & utm_medium=shopcompare & \ utm_content=itindo9 & utm_campaign=mbsdb & mr:trackingCode=C6AEFBD1-E681-DE11-B7F3-0\ 019B9C043EB & mr:referralID=NA http://www.ritecare.com/cgi-bin/cart.pl?db=product_db.dat & category=natural+medic\ ine & method=any_words & search=iti-75336 http://www.naturamart.com/phytopharmica-pms-formula-with-indoplex-120-caps.html How to take Indolplex/DIM take one tablet 120 mgs at dinner time it can take 2 weeks to 2 months to get your Estradiol levels down it’s all about how high you are in your levels. What you need to do is get this down to about 20 pg/ml. When you get this low your night time and morning wood will come back so strong it will wake you up this means most of the time your at your best levels or what I call the sweet spot. Keep taking the DIM but if your wood stops your going down to low so just stop taking it. The day your wood comes back go back on the DIM but cut the tablet in half. If your Testosterone was tested and low but your not on TRT get it tested again you might find your levels came up some 200 to 300 points. http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174 Co-Moderator Phil > From: ed <edhill_2006@...> > Subject: Re: T results > > Date: Friday, May 21, 2010, 8:36 PM > > Get what down? Do you mean get the fat down? I am 5'11 " > 212. I should probably be around 185. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > I'm a 55 y/o who is fairly healthy and > have some > > > libido issues. My test results were: > > > > > Testosterone Lvl - 382.8 ng/dl > > > > > > > > > > Should this cause problems with the > libido?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you think DIM, Zinc, and TMG alone would help > raise my T > > > level? Also, is TRT expensive?? BTW, what exactly > is TMG? > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2010 Report Share Posted May 22, 2010 Thanks for this information. I have been taking DIM Plus for about a week now, but it is in capsule form. I just ordered this product: http://www.vitacost.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Pure-Rip-with-DIM-Mens-Health This is all starting to make sense now. This explains why sometimes I feel really virile, but must of the time I do not. I have been wondering what the heck was going on, what causes this!! I was ignorant to the testosterone/estrogen balance. Can't wait to get started on the Indoplex plus DIM product. Ed > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm a 55 y/o who is fairly healthy and > > have some > > > > libido issues. My test results were: > > > > > > Testosterone Lvl - 382.8 ng/dl > > > > > > > > > > > > Should this cause problems with the > > libido?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you think DIM, Zinc, and TMG alone would help > > raise my T > > > > level? Also, is TRT expensive?? BTW, what exactly > > is TMG? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2010 Report Share Posted May 22, 2010 Ed if you open the caps on the DIM you have and put it into a tsp full of Olive oil it might work for your this will get it passed your stomach so it does not get killed there try this. Co-Moderator Phil > From: ed <edhill_2006@...> > Subject: Re: T results > > Date: Saturday, May 22, 2010, 1:54 PM > > Thanks for this information. I have been taking DIM Plus > for about a week now, but it is in capsule form. > > I just ordered this product: http://www.vitacost.com/Enzymatic-Therapy-Pure-Rip-with-DIM-Mens-Health > > This is all starting to make sense now. This explains why > sometimes I feel really virile, but must of the time I do > not. I have been wondering what the heck was going on, what > causes this!! I was ignorant to the testosterone/estrogen > balance. > > Can't wait to get started on the Indoplex plus DIM > product. > > Ed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm a 55 y/o who is fairly > healthy and > > > have some > > > > > libido issues. My test results were: > > > > > > > Testosterone Lvl - 382.8 > ng/dl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Should this cause problems > with the > > > libido?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you think DIM, Zinc, and TMG alone > would help > > > raise my T > > > > > level? Also, is TRT expensive?? BTW, > what exactly > > > is TMG? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2010 Report Share Posted May 22, 2010 I'll try it. I have been using Bioperine with the DIM, but I don't know how effective it is. Bioperine is supposed to enhance the absorption of supplements. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm a 55 y/o who is fairly > > healthy and > > > > have some > > > > > > libido issues. My test results were: > > > > > > > > Testosterone Lvl - 382.8 > > ng/dl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Should this cause problems > > with the > > > > libido?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you think DIM, Zinc, and TMG alone > > would help > > > > raise my T > > > > > > level? Also, is TRT expensive?? BTW, > > what exactly > > > > is TMG? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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