Guest guest Posted May 15, 2010 Report Share Posted May 15, 2010 OK first thing you can buy Arimidex from the ADC with out a script from a Dr. or you can by the Liquidex from research labs. Links http://www.ag-guys.com/store/product.php?productid=16135 & cat=248 With this men use a needle to get there dose and take it by mouth. this link is same as above different lab. http://www.researchstop.com/dexsolut.html https://www.alldaychemist.com/75_Arimidex-1mg Sill I feel it's best to get a script from your Dr. and buy it at a Drug Store if you can. Co-Moderator Phil > From: inc_100 <no_reply > > Subject: TRT and slow recovery > > Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 12:41 PM > Hi Phil: > > As you know I am 38yrs old and am on TRT for about an year. > I am taking .50 cc of Test Cyp every week (200mg/ml) or > sometimes I do .65 cc every 10days. > > You know I am still working on my E2 but still couldnt get > it under control. And I have weekness in my legs, knee > pains, pain in feet and also sometimes in elbows. But I feel > once I learn to manage my E2 well I think all of this will > be under control. I have been taking DIM but some how its > not working that great I guess. So I will call my doc for a > prescription for Arimidex. > > Last time when I saw my doc he said take 2 DIM every day 1 > -1 and see and if it seems not working lets do Arimidex. So > I think I will ask ask him to prescribe me Arimidex. Which > is the best place to get Arimidex with or without > prescription ? > > My doc is the best one out there. He is open to any > information I take to him. He will listen, analyse and will > always try something what we want to. The only thing he > doesnt do is " wont take insurance " . He says with the > insurance company restrictions we cannot get optimal > treatment. > > And coming to a new Topic: > > In Sep 09 I sprained my knee while swimming and it took me > 4 plus months to heal. No swelling, no injury nothing. I > went to my doc and he sent me to an Orthopedic doctor, they > took x-rays a couple of times but simply nothing. It took so > long for the pain to go away. And now I twisted my right > thumb while just relaxing (like stretching after working on > a computer for a long time). > > It has been 2 months now but its still not healing. With > this I related my knee sprain also and now what I realize is > THE RECOVERY TIME has been too long with Low T and > Hypothyroid. I searched all over the internet and found in > bodybuilding.about.com that to improve recovery time we can > take some nutritional supplements. > > My question to you is: Do you think this is because of my > Low T ? My doctors dont have any idea about it. They say > " No " but if so why am I not able to recover quickly ? > > Thanks > Joe > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2010 Report Share Posted May 15, 2010 What's your opinion on the Slow recovery ? Why is my body taking so long to recover from sprains or injurys etc > > > From: inc_100 <no_reply > > > Subject: TRT and slow recovery > > > > Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 12:41 PM > > Hi Phil: > > > > As you know I am 38yrs old and am on TRT for about an year. > > I am taking .50 cc of Test Cyp every week (200mg/ml) or > > sometimes I do .65 cc every 10days. > > > > You know I am still working on my E2 but still couldnt get > > it under control. And I have weekness in my legs, knee > > pains, pain in feet and also sometimes in elbows. But I feel > > once I learn to manage my E2 well I think all of this will > > be under control. I have been taking DIM but some how its > > not working that great I guess. So I will call my doc for a > > prescription for Arimidex. > > > > Last time when I saw my doc he said take 2 DIM every day 1 > > -1 and see and if it seems not working lets do Arimidex. So > > I think I will ask ask him to prescribe me Arimidex. Which > > is the best place to get Arimidex with or without > > prescription ? > > > > My doc is the best one out there. He is open to any > > information I take to him. He will listen, analyse and will > > always try something what we want to. The only thing he > > doesnt do is " wont take insurance " . He says with the > > insurance company restrictions we cannot get optimal > > treatment. > > > > And coming to a new Topic: > > > > In Sep 09 I sprained my knee while swimming and it took me > > 4 plus months to heal. No swelling, no injury nothing. I > > went to my doc and he sent me to an Orthopedic doctor, they > > took x-rays a couple of times but simply nothing. It took so > > long for the pain to go away. And now I twisted my right > > thumb while just relaxing (like stretching after working on > > a computer for a long time). > > > > It has been 2 months now but its still not healing. With > > this I related my knee sprain also and now what I realize is > > THE RECOVERY TIME has been too long with Low T and > > Hypothyroid. I searched all over the internet and found in > > bodybuilding.about.com that to improve recovery time we can > > take some nutritional supplements. > > > > My question to you is: Do you think this is because of my > > Low T ? My doctors dont have any idea about it. They say > > " No " but if so why am I not able to recover quickly ? > > > > Thanks > > Joe > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2010 Report Share Posted May 15, 2010 In a message dated 5/15/2010 1:58:49 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, no_reply writes: What's your opinion on the Slow recovery ? Why is my body taking so long to recover from sprains or injurys etc There are lots of possibilities Injury simply will not heal without surgery low testosterone low HGH or IGF-1 You are a diabetic Etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2010 Report Share Posted May 15, 2010 What actually is your T and E2 levels? > > > > > From: inc_100 <no_reply > > > > Subject: TRT and slow recovery > > > > > > Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 12:41 PM > > > Hi Phil: > > > > > > As you know I am 38yrs old and am on TRT for about an year. > > > I am taking .50 cc of Test Cyp every week (200mg/ml) or > > > sometimes I do .65 cc every 10days. > > > > > > You know I am still working on my E2 but still couldnt get > > > it under control. And I have weekness in my legs, knee > > > pains, pain in feet and also sometimes in elbows. But I feel > > > once I learn to manage my E2 well I think all of this will > > > be under control. I have been taking DIM but some how its > > > not working that great I guess. So I will call my doc for a > > > prescription for Arimidex. > > > > > > Last time when I saw my doc he said take 2 DIM every day 1 > > > -1 and see and if it seems not working lets do Arimidex. So > > > I think I will ask ask him to prescribe me Arimidex. Which > > > is the best place to get Arimidex with or without > > > prescription ? > > > > > > My doc is the best one out there. He is open to any > > > information I take to him. He will listen, analyse and will > > > always try something what we want to. The only thing he > > > doesnt do is " wont take insurance " . He says with the > > > insurance company restrictions we cannot get optimal > > > treatment. > > > > > > And coming to a new Topic: > > > > > > In Sep 09 I sprained my knee while swimming and it took me > > > 4 plus months to heal. No swelling, no injury nothing. I > > > went to my doc and he sent me to an Orthopedic doctor, they > > > took x-rays a couple of times but simply nothing. It took so > > > long for the pain to go away. And now I twisted my right > > > thumb while just relaxing (like stretching after working on > > > a computer for a long time). > > > > > > It has been 2 months now but its still not healing. With > > > this I related my knee sprain also and now what I realize is > > > THE RECOVERY TIME has been too long with Low T and > > > Hypothyroid. I searched all over the internet and found in > > > bodybuilding.about.com that to improve recovery time we can > > > take some nutritional supplements. > > > > > > My question to you is: Do you think this is because of my > > > Low T ? My doctors dont have any idea about it. They say > > > " No " but if so why am I not able to recover quickly ? > > > > > > Thanks > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2010 Report Share Posted May 15, 2010 Hypothyroid causes slow recovery (actually slow everything). Are you being properly treated for that? Are you being dosed by TSH (this can leave you undermedicated) or by your Free T3 and Free T4 levels? Barb (my husband is on Erfa thyroid AND testosterone cypionate) > > > > > From: inc_100 <no_reply > > > > Subject: TRT and slow recovery > > > > > > Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 12:41 PM > > > Hi Phil: > > > > > > As you know I am 38yrs old and am on TRT for about an year. > > > I am taking .50 cc of Test Cyp every week (200mg/ml) or > > > sometimes I do .65 cc every 10days. > > > > > > You know I am still working on my E2 but still couldnt get > > > it under control. And I have weekness in my legs, knee > > > pains, pain in feet and also sometimes in elbows. But I feel > > > once I learn to manage my E2 well I think all of this will > > > be under control. I have been taking DIM but some how its > > > not working that great I guess. So I will call my doc for a > > > prescription for Arimidex. > > > > > > Last time when I saw my doc he said take 2 DIM every day 1 > > > -1 and see and if it seems not working lets do Arimidex. So > > > I think I will ask ask him to prescribe me Arimidex. Which > > > is the best place to get Arimidex with or without > > > prescription ? > > > > > > My doc is the best one out there. He is open to any > > > information I take to him. He will listen, analyse and will > > > always try something what we want to. The only thing he > > > doesnt do is " wont take insurance " . He says with the > > > insurance company restrictions we cannot get optimal > > > treatment. > > > > > > And coming to a new Topic: > > > > > > In Sep 09 I sprained my knee while swimming and it took me > > > 4 plus months to heal. No swelling, no injury nothing. I > > > went to my doc and he sent me to an Orthopedic doctor, they > > > took x-rays a couple of times but simply nothing. It took so > > > long for the pain to go away. And now I twisted my right > > > thumb while just relaxing (like stretching after working on > > > a computer for a long time). > > > > > > It has been 2 months now but its still not healing. With > > > this I related my knee sprain also and now what I realize is > > > THE RECOVERY TIME has been too long with Low T and > > > Hypothyroid. I searched all over the internet and found in > > > bodybuilding.about.com that to improve recovery time we can > > > take some nutritional supplements. > > > > > > My question to you is: Do you think this is because of my > > > Low T ? My doctors dont have any idea about it. They say > > > " No " but if so why am I not able to recover quickly ? > > > > > > Thanks > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2010 Report Share Posted May 15, 2010 I can't say for sure or to what extent that low T is causing your slow recovery, but I am sure it plays to a part. Every now and then I increase the amount of T I take and, without a doubt, my recovery times are decreased. When I ween myself back down to " normal " levels I have aches/pains that I never noticed before. I am also hypothyroid. All these hormones play a part in healing/recovery. Illness or not, everyone takes longer to heal at 38. > > Hi Phil: > > As you know I am 38yrs old and am on TRT for about an year. I am taking .50 cc of Test Cyp every week (200mg/ml) or sometimes I do .65 cc every 10days. > > You know I am still working on my E2 but still couldnt get it under control. And I have weekness in my legs, knee pains, pain in feet and also sometimes in elbows. But I feel once I learn to manage my E2 well I think all of this will be under control. I have been taking DIM but some how its not working that great I guess. So I will call my doc for a prescription for Arimidex. > > Last time when I saw my doc he said take 2 DIM every day 1 -1 and see and if it seems not working lets do Arimidex. So I think I will ask ask him to prescribe me Arimidex. Which is the best place to get Arimidex with or without prescription ? > > My doc is the best one out there. He is open to any information I take to him. He will listen, analyse and will always try something what we want to. The only thing he doesnt do is " wont take insurance " . He says with the insurance company restrictions we cannot get optimal treatment. > > And coming to a new Topic: > > In Sep 09 I sprained my knee while swimming and it took me 4 plus months to heal. No swelling, no injury nothing. I went to my doc and he sent me to an Orthopedic doctor, they took x-rays a couple of times but simply nothing. It took so long for the pain to go away. And now I twisted my right thumb while just relaxing (like stretching after working on a computer for a long time). > > It has been 2 months now but its still not healing. With this I related my knee sprain also and now what I realize is THE RECOVERY TIME has been too long with Low T and Hypothyroid. I searched all over the internet and found in bodybuilding.about.com that to improve recovery time we can take some nutritional supplements. > > My question to you is: Do you think this is because of my Low T ? My doctors dont have any idea about it. They say " No " but if so why am I not able to recover quickly ? > > Thanks > Joe > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2010 Report Share Posted May 15, 2010 About 2 plus months ago my E2 was 100 which is way too high. My T levels were around 600 - 800 depends on my shot duration. I do weekly sometimes and do 10days sometimes. I dont like shots. > > > > > > > From: inc_100 <no_reply > > > > > Subject: TRT and slow recovery > > > > > > > > Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 12:41 PM > > > > Hi Phil: > > > > > > > > As you know I am 38yrs old and am on TRT for about an year. > > > > I am taking .50 cc of Test Cyp every week (200mg/ml) or > > > > sometimes I do .65 cc every 10days. > > > > > > > > You know I am still working on my E2 but still couldnt get > > > > it under control. And I have weekness in my legs, knee > > > > pains, pain in feet and also sometimes in elbows. But I feel > > > > once I learn to manage my E2 well I think all of this will > > > > be under control. I have been taking DIM but some how its > > > > not working that great I guess. So I will call my doc for a > > > > prescription for Arimidex. > > > > > > > > Last time when I saw my doc he said take 2 DIM every day 1 > > > > -1 and see and if it seems not working lets do Arimidex. So > > > > I think I will ask ask him to prescribe me Arimidex. Which > > > > is the best place to get Arimidex with or without > > > > prescription ? > > > > > > > > My doc is the best one out there. He is open to any > > > > information I take to him. He will listen, analyse and will > > > > always try something what we want to. The only thing he > > > > doesnt do is " wont take insurance " . He says with the > > > > insurance company restrictions we cannot get optimal > > > > treatment. > > > > > > > > And coming to a new Topic: > > > > > > > > In Sep 09 I sprained my knee while swimming and it took me > > > > 4 plus months to heal. No swelling, no injury nothing. I > > > > went to my doc and he sent me to an Orthopedic doctor, they > > > > took x-rays a couple of times but simply nothing. It took so > > > > long for the pain to go away. And now I twisted my right > > > > thumb while just relaxing (like stretching after working on > > > > a computer for a long time). > > > > > > > > It has been 2 months now but its still not healing. With > > > > this I related my knee sprain also and now what I realize is > > > > THE RECOVERY TIME has been too long with Low T and > > > > Hypothyroid. I searched all over the internet and found in > > > > bodybuilding.about.com that to improve recovery time we can > > > > take some nutritional supplements. > > > > > > > > My question to you is: Do you think this is because of my > > > > Low T ? My doctors dont have any idea about it. They say > > > > " No " but if so why am I not able to recover quickly ? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2010 Report Share Posted May 15, 2010 Yeah. Might be the harmones. But I want to see what's the remedy. I read about a supplement from Labrada's nutrition which helps quick recovery but not sure if it really works. That's for bodybuilders ? > > > > Hi Phil: > > > > As you know I am 38yrs old and am on TRT for about an year. I am taking .50 cc of Test Cyp every week (200mg/ml) or sometimes I do .65 cc every 10days. > > > > You know I am still working on my E2 but still couldnt get it under control. And I have weekness in my legs, knee pains, pain in feet and also sometimes in elbows. But I feel once I learn to manage my E2 well I think all of this will be under control. I have been taking DIM but some how its not working that great I guess. So I will call my doc for a prescription for Arimidex. > > > > Last time when I saw my doc he said take 2 DIM every day 1 -1 and see and if it seems not working lets do Arimidex. So I think I will ask ask him to prescribe me Arimidex. Which is the best place to get Arimidex with or without prescription ? > > > > My doc is the best one out there. He is open to any information I take to him. He will listen, analyse and will always try something what we want to. The only thing he doesnt do is " wont take insurance " . He says with the insurance company restrictions we cannot get optimal treatment. > > > > And coming to a new Topic: > > > > In Sep 09 I sprained my knee while swimming and it took me 4 plus months to heal. No swelling, no injury nothing. I went to my doc and he sent me to an Orthopedic doctor, they took x-rays a couple of times but simply nothing. It took so long for the pain to go away. And now I twisted my right thumb while just relaxing (like stretching after working on a computer for a long time). > > > > It has been 2 months now but its still not healing. With this I related my knee sprain also and now what I realize is THE RECOVERY TIME has been too long with Low T and Hypothyroid. I searched all over the internet and found in bodybuilding.about.com that to improve recovery time we can take some nutritional supplements. > > > > My question to you is: Do you think this is because of my Low T ? My doctors dont have any idea about it. They say " No " but if so why am I not able to recover quickly ? > > > > Thanks > > Joe > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2010 Report Share Posted May 15, 2010 I don't know what supplement you are talking about, but recovery is recovery. Lifters, swimmers, bikers, wrestlers, day laborers, it doesn't matter. The mechanisms are the same. Sleep, diet and optimal (perhaps supraphysiologic) hormones will help more than any supplement. > > > > > > Hi Phil: > > > > > > As you know I am 38yrs old and am on TRT for about an year. I am taking ..50 cc of Test Cyp every week (200mg/ml) or sometimes I do .65 cc every 10days. > > > > > > You know I am still working on my E2 but still couldnt get it under control. And I have weekness in my legs, knee pains, pain in feet and also sometimes in elbows. But I feel once I learn to manage my E2 well I think all of this will be under control. I have been taking DIM but some how its not working that great I guess. So I will call my doc for a prescription for Arimidex. > > > > > > Last time when I saw my doc he said take 2 DIM every day 1 -1 and see and if it seems not working lets do Arimidex. So I think I will ask ask him to prescribe me Arimidex. Which is the best place to get Arimidex with or without prescription ? > > > > > > My doc is the best one out there. He is open to any information I take to him. He will listen, analyse and will always try something what we want to. The only thing he doesnt do is " wont take insurance " . He says with the insurance company restrictions we cannot get optimal treatment. > > > > > > And coming to a new Topic: > > > > > > In Sep 09 I sprained my knee while swimming and it took me 4 plus months to heal. No swelling, no injury nothing. I went to my doc and he sent me to an Orthopedic doctor, they took x-rays a couple of times but simply nothing. It took so long for the pain to go away. And now I twisted my right thumb while just relaxing (like stretching after working on a computer for a long time). > > > > > > It has been 2 months now but its still not healing. With this I related my knee sprain also and now what I realize is THE RECOVERY TIME has been too long with Low T and Hypothyroid. I searched all over the internet and found in bodybuilding.about.com that to improve recovery time we can take some nutritional supplements. > > > > > > My question to you is: Do you think this is because of my Low T ? My doctors dont have any idea about it. They say " No " but if so why am I not able to recover quickly ? > > > > > > Thanks > > > Joe > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2010 Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 As Phil has mentioned, maybe you should pick up some Arimadex. This would probably work much better than DIM. I can't tell you by experience though. Maybe your T level is too high. possibly you will run better on a lower level, bringing your E2 under control. > > > > > > > > > From: inc_100 <no_reply > > > > > > Subject: TRT and slow recovery > > > > > > > > > > Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 12:41 PM > > > > > Hi Phil: > > > > > > > > > > As you know I am 38yrs old and am on TRT for about an year. > > > > > I am taking .50 cc of Test Cyp every week (200mg/ml) or > > > > > sometimes I do .65 cc every 10days. > > > > > > > > > > You know I am still working on my E2 but still couldnt get > > > > > it under control. And I have weekness in my legs, knee > > > > > pains, pain in feet and also sometimes in elbows. But I feel > > > > > once I learn to manage my E2 well I think all of this will > > > > > be under control. I have been taking DIM but some how its > > > > > not working that great I guess. So I will call my doc for a > > > > > prescription for Arimidex. > > > > > > > > > > Last time when I saw my doc he said take 2 DIM every day 1 > > > > > -1 and see and if it seems not working lets do Arimidex. So > > > > > I think I will ask ask him to prescribe me Arimidex. Which > > > > > is the best place to get Arimidex with or without > > > > > prescription ? > > > > > > > > > > My doc is the best one out there. He is open to any > > > > > information I take to him. He will listen, analyse and will > > > > > always try something what we want to. The only thing he > > > > > doesnt do is " wont take insurance " . He says with the > > > > > insurance company restrictions we cannot get optimal > > > > > treatment. > > > > > > > > > > And coming to a new Topic: > > > > > > > > > > In Sep 09 I sprained my knee while swimming and it took me > > > > > 4 plus months to heal. No swelling, no injury nothing. I > > > > > went to my doc and he sent me to an Orthopedic doctor, they > > > > > took x-rays a couple of times but simply nothing. It took so > > > > > long for the pain to go away. And now I twisted my right > > > > > thumb while just relaxing (like stretching after working on > > > > > a computer for a long time). > > > > > > > > > > It has been 2 months now but its still not healing. With > > > > > this I related my knee sprain also and now what I realize is > > > > > THE RECOVERY TIME has been too long with Low T and > > > > > Hypothyroid. I searched all over the internet and found in > > > > > bodybuilding.about.com that to improve recovery time we can > > > > > take some nutritional supplements. > > > > > > > > > > My question to you is: Do you think this is because of my > > > > > Low T ? My doctors dont have any idea about it. They say > > > > > " No " but if so why am I not able to recover quickly ? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2010 Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 If your on TRT and not leveled right with a lower Estradiol your body Joints and Muscles are not being supported with enough Testosterone. Men need to get there TT up into the upper 1/3 of there labs range and keep there Estradiol levels down to about 20 pg/ml. Then as you level off your body will start to undo any damage done from having low T and little by little you will get better it's not a over night thing. It took yrs. to get this bad and it will take some time not yrs. to get better. Co-Moderator Phil > From: inc_100 <no_reply > > Subject: Re: TRT and slow recovery > > Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 4:55 PM > What's your opinion on the Slow > recovery ? Why is my body taking so long to recover from > sprains or injurys etc > > > > > > > > > From: inc_100 <no_reply > > > > Subject: TRT and slow recovery > > > > > > Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 12:41 PM > > > Hi Phil: > > > > > > As you know I am 38yrs old and am on TRT for > about an year. > > > I am taking .50 cc of Test Cyp every week > (200mg/ml) or > > > sometimes I do .65 cc every 10days. > > > > > > You know I am still working on my E2 but still > couldnt get > > > it under control. And I have weekness in my legs, > knee > > > pains, pain in feet and also sometimes in elbows. > But I feel > > > once I learn to manage my E2 well I think all of > this will > > > be under control. I have been taking DIM but some > how its > > > not working that great I guess. So I will call my > doc for a > > > prescription for Arimidex. > > > > > > Last time when I saw my doc he said take 2 DIM > every day 1 > > > -1 and see and if it seems not working lets do > Arimidex. So > > > I think I will ask ask him to prescribe me > Arimidex. Which > > > is the best place to get Arimidex with or > without > > > prescription ? > > > > > > My doc is the best one out there. He is open to > any > > > information I take to him. He will listen, > analyse and will > > > always try something what we want to. The only > thing he > > > doesnt do is " wont take insurance " . He says with > the > > > insurance company restrictions we cannot get > optimal > > > treatment. > > > > > > And coming to a new Topic: > > > > > > In Sep 09 I sprained my knee while swimming and > it took me > > > 4 plus months to heal. No swelling, no injury > nothing. I > > > went to my doc and he sent me to an Orthopedic > doctor, they > > > took x-rays a couple of times but simply nothing. > It took so > > > long for the pain to go away. And now I twisted > my right > > > thumb while just relaxing (like stretching after > working on > > > a computer for a long time). > > > > > > It has been 2 months now but its still not > healing. With > > > this I related my knee sprain also and now what I > realize is > > > THE RECOVERY TIME has been too long with Low T > and > > > Hypothyroid. I searched all over the internet and > found in > > > bodybuilding.about.com that to improve recovery > time we can > > > take some nutritional supplements. > > > > > > My question to you is: Do you think this is > because of my > > > Low T ? My doctors dont have any idea about it. > They say > > > " No " but if so why am I not able to recover > quickly ? > > > > > > Thanks > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2010 Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 If you back off on your TRT and get aches/pains you levels are to low. Your not supporting your body with enough T labs are a tool not the law. Co-Moderator Phil > From: mach_sakurai <no_reply > > Subject: Re: TRT and slow recovery > > Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 9:38 PM > I can't say for sure or to what > extent that low T is causing your slow recovery, but I am > sure it plays to a part. Every now and then I increase > the amount of T I take and, without a doubt, my recovery > times are decreased. When I ween myself back down to > " normal " levels I have aches/pains that I never noticed > before. > > > I am also hypothyroid. All these hormones play a part in > healing/recovery. Illness or not, everyone takes > longer to heal at 38. > > > > > > > Hi Phil: > > > > As you know I am 38yrs old and am on TRT for about an > year. I am taking .50 cc of Test Cyp every week (200mg/ml) > or sometimes I do .65 cc every 10days. > > > > You know I am still working on my E2 but still couldnt > get it under control. And I have weekness in my legs, knee > pains, pain in feet and also sometimes in elbows. But I feel > once I learn to manage my E2 well I think all of this will > be under control. I have been taking DIM but some how its > not working that great I guess. So I will call my doc for a > prescription for Arimidex. > > > > Last time when I saw my doc he said take 2 DIM every > day 1 -1 and see and if it seems not working lets do > Arimidex. So I think I will ask ask him to prescribe me > Arimidex. Which is the best place to get Arimidex with or > without prescription ? > > > > My doc is the best one out there. He is open to any > information I take to him. He will listen, analyse and will > always try something what we want to. The only thing he > doesnt do is " wont take insurance " . He says with the > insurance company restrictions we cannot get optimal > treatment. > > > > And coming to a new Topic: > > > > In Sep 09 I sprained my knee while swimming and it > took me 4 plus months to heal. No swelling, no injury > nothing. I went to my doc and he sent me to an Orthopedic > doctor, they took x-rays a couple of times but simply > nothing. It took so long for the pain to go away. And now I > twisted my right thumb while just relaxing (like stretching > after working on a computer for a long time). > > > > It has been 2 months now but its still not healing. > With this I related my knee sprain also and now what I > realize is THE RECOVERY TIME has been too long with Low T > and Hypothyroid. I searched all over the internet and found > in bodybuilding.about.com that to improve recovery time we > can take some nutritional supplements. > > > > My question to you is: Do you think this is because of > my Low T ? My doctors dont have any idea about it. They say > " No " but if so why am I not able to recover quickly ? > > > > Thanks > > Joe > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2010 Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 When E2 levels are this high SHBG can go why up this binds up your Free T levels low Free T with a good TT your not going to feel better. Keep E2 levels down my Free T went from a low level to the top of the range. http://www.griffinmedical.com/male_hormone_modulation_therapy.html Co-Moderator Phil > From: inc_100 <no_reply > > Subject: Re: TRT and slow recovery > > Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 9:53 PM > About 2 plus months ago my E2 was 100 > which is way too high. > > My T levels were around 600 - 800 depends on my shot > duration. I do weekly sometimes and do 10days sometimes. > > I dont like shots. > > > > > > > > > > > From: inc_100 <no_reply > > > > > > Subject: TRT and slow > recovery > > > > > > > > > > Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 12:41 PM > > > > > Hi Phil: > > > > > > > > > > As you know I am 38yrs old and am on > TRT for about an year. > > > > > I am taking .50 cc of Test Cyp every > week (200mg/ml) or > > > > > sometimes I do .65 cc every 10days. > > > > > > > > > > You know I am still working on my E2 > but still couldnt get > > > > > it under control. And I have weekness > in my legs, knee > > > > > pains, pain in feet and also sometimes > in elbows. But I feel > > > > > once I learn to manage my E2 well I > think all of this will > > > > > be under control. I have been taking > DIM but some how its > > > > > not working that great I guess. So I > will call my doc for a > > > > > prescription for Arimidex. > > > > > > > > > > Last time when I saw my doc he said > take 2 DIM every day 1 > > > > > -1 and see and if it seems not working > lets do Arimidex. So > > > > > I think I will ask ask him to prescribe > me Arimidex. Which > > > > > is the best place to get Arimidex with > or without > > > > > prescription ? > > > > > > > > > > My doc is the best one out there. He is > open to any > > > > > information I take to him. He will > listen, analyse and will > > > > > always try something what we want to. > The only thing he > > > > > doesnt do is " wont take insurance " . He > says with the > > > > > insurance company restrictions we > cannot get optimal > > > > > treatment. > > > > > > > > > > And coming to a new Topic: > > > > > > > > > > In Sep 09 I sprained my knee while > swimming and it took me > > > > > 4 plus months to heal. No swelling, no > injury nothing. I > > > > > went to my doc and he sent me to an > Orthopedic doctor, they > > > > > took x-rays a couple of times but > simply nothing. It took so > > > > > long for the pain to go away. And now I > twisted my right > > > > > thumb while just relaxing (like > stretching after working on > > > > > a computer for a long time). > > > > > > > > > > It has been 2 months now but its still > not healing. With > > > > > this I related my knee sprain also and > now what I realize is > > > > > THE RECOVERY TIME has been too long > with Low T and > > > > > Hypothyroid. I searched all over the > internet and found in > > > > > bodybuilding.about.com that to improve > recovery time we can > > > > > take some nutritional supplements. > > > > > > > > > > My question to you is: Do you think > this is because of my > > > > > Low T ? My doctors dont have any idea > about it. They say > > > > > " No " but if so why am I not able to > recover quickly ? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2010 Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 Phil, the amount I was taking was supraphysiologic. > > > From: mach_sakurai <no_reply > > > > Subject: Re: TRT and slow recovery > > > > > > Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 9:38 PM > > > I can't say for sure or to what > > extent that low T is causing your slow recovery, but I am > > sure it plays to a part. Every now and then I increase > > the amount of T I take and, without a doubt, my recovery > > times are decreased. When I ween myself back down to > > " normal " levels I have aches/pains that I never noticed > > before. > > > > > > I am also hypothyroid. All these hormones play a part in > > healing/recovery.� Illness or not, everyone takes > > longer to heal at 38. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2010 Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 That is a big word " supraphysiologic " how much Testosterone were you on and what were your levels. Co-Moderator Phil > From: mach_sakurai <no_reply > > Subject: Re: TRT and slow recovery > > Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 2:54 PM > Phil, the amount I was taking was > supraphysiologic. > > > > > > > > From: mach_sakurai <no_reply > > > > > > Subject: Re: TRT and slow > recovery > > > > > > > > > > Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 9:38 PM > > > > > I can't say for sure or to what > > > extent that low T is causing your slow recovery, > but I am > > > sure it plays to a part. Every now and then I > increase > > > the amount of T I take and, without a doubt, my > recovery > > > times are decreased. When I ween myself back down > to > > > " normal " levels I have aches/pains that I never > noticed > > > before. > > > > > > > > > I am also hypothyroid. All these hormones play a > part in > > > healing/recovery.� Illness or not, everyone > takes > > > longer to heal at 38. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2010 Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 In a message dated 5/16/2010 5:36:50 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, virtuosa150@... writes: Vitamin D is still to the low end of normal even being on 16000iu. I suggest using the Vitamin Shoppe gelcap brand of D3 if you are not. There have been reports that at least one other brand is either underdosed or there are absorption problems with that brand... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2010 Report Share Posted May 16, 2010 Phil, last tested my TT was 917 and E2 at 21. I still have bad ED. Do you think the wood will ever come back or am I screwed? I still have problems with RT3 and Vitamin D is still to the low end of normal even being on 16000iu. > > > > > > > From: inc_100 <no_reply > > > > > Subject: TRT and slow recovery > > > > > > > > Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 12:41 PM > > > > Hi Phil: > > > > > > > > As you know I am 38yrs old and am on TRT for > > about an year. > > > > I am taking .50 cc of Test Cyp every week > > (200mg/ml) or > > > > sometimes I do .65 cc every 10days. > > > > > > > > You know I am still working on my E2 but still > > couldnt get > > > > it under control. And I have weekness in my legs, > > knee > > > > pains, pain in feet and also sometimes in elbows. > > But I feel > > > > once I learn to manage my E2 well I think all of > > this will > > > > be under control. I have been taking DIM but some > > how its > > > > not working that great I guess. So I will call my > > doc for a > > > > prescription for Arimidex. > > > > > > > > Last time when I saw my doc he said take 2 DIM > > every day 1 > > > > -1 and see and if it seems not working lets do > > Arimidex. So > > > > I think I will ask ask him to prescribe me > > Arimidex. Which > > > > is the best place to get Arimidex with or > > without > > > > prescription ? > > > > > > > > My doc is the best one out there. He is open to > > any > > > > information I take to him. He will listen, > > analyse and will > > > > always try something what we want to. The only > > thing he > > > > doesnt do is " wont take insurance " . He says with > > the > > > > insurance company restrictions we cannot get > > optimal > > > > treatment. > > > > > > > > And coming to a new Topic: > > > > > > > > In Sep 09 I sprained my knee while swimming and > > it took me > > > > 4 plus months to heal. No swelling, no injury > > nothing. I > > > > went to my doc and he sent me to an Orthopedic > > doctor, they > > > > took x-rays a couple of times but simply nothing. > > It took so > > > > long for the pain to go away. And now I twisted > > my right > > > > thumb while just relaxing (like stretching after > > working on > > > > a computer for a long time). > > > > > > > > It has been 2 months now but its still not > > healing. With > > > > this I related my knee sprain also and now what I > > realize is > > > > THE RECOVERY TIME has been too long with Low T > > and > > > > Hypothyroid. I searched all over the internet and > > found in > > > > bodybuilding.about.com that to improve recovery > > time we can > > > > take some nutritional supplements. > > > > > > > > My question to you is: Do you think this is > > because of my > > > > Low T ? My doctors dont have any idea about it. > > They say > > > > " No " but if so why am I not able to recover > > quickly ? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2010 Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 As long as you don't have heath problems that can cause ED like high sugar or on meds that cause ED and your penis is healthy checkout to be good by a Uro yes you can get them back. I lost it for 10 yrs and got them back. I even found I have below levels of Ferritin and when on Iron pills this helped a lot. My Homocysteine (Caridioviasular)were bad with below levels of Folic Acid there just so many things that can do this you need to find them one at a time fix it and look for the next problem. Co-Moderator Phil > From: jim <virtuosa150@...> > Subject: Re: TRT and slow recovery > > Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 8:36 PM > Phil, last tested my TT was 917 and > E2 at 21. I still have bad ED. Do you think the wood will > ever come back or am I screwed? I still have problems with > RT3 and Vitamin D is still to the low end of normal even > being on 16000iu. > > > > > > > > > > > From: inc_100 <no_reply > > > > > > Subject: TRT and slow > recovery > > > > > > > > > > Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 12:41 PM > > > > > Hi Phil: > > > > > > > > > > As you know I am 38yrs old and am on > TRT for > > > about an year. > > > > > I am taking .50 cc of Test Cyp every > week > > > (200mg/ml) or > > > > > sometimes I do .65 cc every 10days. > > > > > > > > > > You know I am still working on my E2 > but still > > > couldnt get > > > > > it under control. And I have weekness > in my legs, > > > knee > > > > > pains, pain in feet and also sometimes > in elbows. > > > But I feel > > > > > once I learn to manage my E2 well I > think all of > > > this will > > > > > be under control. I have been taking > DIM but some > > > how its > > > > > not working that great I guess. So I > will call my > > > doc for a > > > > > prescription for Arimidex. > > > > > > > > > > Last time when I saw my doc he said > take 2 DIM > > > every day 1 > > > > > -1 and see and if it seems not working > lets do > > > Arimidex. So > > > > > I think I will ask ask him to prescribe > me > > > Arimidex. Which > > > > > is the best place to get Arimidex with > or > > > without > > > > > prescription ? > > > > > > > > > > My doc is the best one out there. He is > open to > > > any > > > > > information I take to him. He will > listen, > > > analyse and will > > > > > always try something what we want to. > The only > > > thing he > > > > > doesnt do is " wont take insurance " . He > says with > > > the > > > > > insurance company restrictions we > cannot get > > > optimal > > > > > treatment. > > > > > > > > > > And coming to a new Topic: > > > > > > > > > > In Sep 09 I sprained my knee while > swimming and > > > it took me > > > > > 4 plus months to heal. No swelling, no > injury > > > nothing. I > > > > > went to my doc and he sent me to an > Orthopedic > > > doctor, they > > > > > took x-rays a couple of times but > simply nothing. > > > It took so > > > > > long for the pain to go away. And now I > twisted > > > my right > > > > > thumb while just relaxing (like > stretching after > > > working on > > > > > a computer for a long time). > > > > > > > > > > It has been 2 months now but its still > not > > > healing. With > > > > > this I related my knee sprain also and > now what I > > > realize is > > > > > THE RECOVERY TIME has been too long > with Low T > > > and > > > > > Hypothyroid. I searched all over the > internet and > > > found in > > > > > bodybuilding.about.com that to improve > recovery > > > time we can > > > > > take some nutritional supplements. > > > > > > > > > > My question to you is: Do you think > this is > > > because of my > > > > > Low T ? My doctors dont have any idea > about it. > > > They say > > > > > " No " but if so why am I not able to > recover > > > quickly ? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2010 Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 Joe, Based on my recent experience, the low T is a major contributor to your recovery time being slow. Bill ________________________________ From: inc_100 <no_reply > Sent: Sat, May 15, 2010 12:41:37 PM Subject: TRT and slow recovery Hi Phil: As you know I am 38yrs old and am on TRT for about an year. I am taking .50 cc of Test Cyp every week (200mg/ml) or sometimes I do .65 cc every 10days. You know I am still working on my E2 but still couldnt get it under control. And I have weekness in my legs, knee pains, pain in feet and also sometimes in elbows. But I feel once I learn to manage my E2 well I think all of this will be under control. I have been taking DIM but some how its not working that great I guess. So I will call my doc for a prescription for Arimidex. Last time when I saw my doc he said take 2 DIM every day 1 -1 and see and if it seems not working lets do Arimidex. So I think I will ask ask him to prescribe me Arimidex. Which is the best place to get Arimidex with or without prescription ? My doc is the best one out there. He is open to any information I take to him. He will listen, analyse and will always try something what we want to. The only thing he doesnt do is " wont take insurance " . He says with the insurance company restrictions we cannot get optimal treatment. And coming to a new Topic: In Sep 09 I sprained my knee while swimming and it took me 4 plus months to heal. No swelling, no injury nothing. I went to my doc and he sent me to an Orthopedic doctor, they took x-rays a couple of times but simply nothing. It took so long for the pain to go away. And now I twisted my right thumb while just relaxing (like stretching after working on a computer for a long time). It has been 2 months now but its still not healing. With this I related my knee sprain also and now what I realize is THE RECOVERY TIME has been too long with Low T and Hypothyroid. I searched all over the internet and found in bodybuilding.about.com that to improve recovery time we can take some nutritional supplements. My question to you is: Do you think this is because of my Low T ? My doctors dont have any idea about it. They say " No " but if so why am I not able to recover quickly ? Thanks Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2010 Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 Here is a good link to a video on Vit.D. http://www.uvadvantage.org/portals/0/pres/ Co-Moderator Phil > From: WithBACON@... <WithBACON@...> > Subject: Re: TRT and slow recovery > > Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 11:28 PM > In a message dated 5/16/2010 5:36:50 > P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > virtuosa150@... > writes: > > Vitamin D is still to the low end of normal even being > on 16000iu. > I suggest using the Vitamin Shoppe gelcap brand of D3 if > you are not. There > have been reports that at least one other brand is either > underdosed or > there are absorption problems with that brand... > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2010 Report Share Posted May 17, 2010 Thank you Bill for the info. Yes. I too think so but I am on TRT and I dont understand why is the recovery time still very bad. Joe > > Joe, > > Based on my recent experience, the low T is a major contributor to your recovery time being slow. > Bill > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: inc_100 <no_reply > > > Sent: Sat, May 15, 2010 12:41:37 PM > Subject: TRT and slow recovery > > > Hi Phil: > > As you know I am 38yrs old and am on TRT for about an year. I am taking .50 cc of Test Cyp every week (200mg/ml) or sometimes I do .65 cc every 10days. > > You know I am still working on my E2 but still couldnt get it under control. And I have weekness in my legs, knee pains, pain in feet and also sometimes in elbows. But I feel once I learn to manage my E2 well I think all of this will be under control. I have been taking DIM but some how its not working that great I guess. So I will call my doc for a prescription for Arimidex. > > Last time when I saw my doc he said take 2 DIM every day 1 -1 and see and if it seems not working lets do Arimidex. So I think I will ask ask him to prescribe me Arimidex. Which is the best place to get Arimidex with or without prescription ? > > My doc is the best one out there. He is open to any information I take to him. He will listen, analyse and will always try something what we want to. The only thing he doesnt do is " wont take insurance " . He says with the insurance company restrictions we cannot get optimal treatment. > > And coming to a new Topic: > > In Sep 09 I sprained my knee while swimming and it took me 4 plus months to heal. No swelling, no injury nothing. I went to my doc and he sent me to an Orthopedic doctor, they took x-rays a couple of times but simply nothing. It took so long for the pain to go away. And now I twisted my right thumb while just relaxing (like stretching after working on a computer for a long time). > > It has been 2 months now but its still not healing. With this I related my knee sprain also and now what I realize is THE RECOVERY TIME has been too long with Low T and Hypothyroid. I searched all over the internet and found in bodybuilding.about.com that to improve recovery time we can take some nutritional supplements. > > My question to you is: Do you think this is because of my Low T ? My doctors dont have any idea about it. They say " No " but if so why am I not able to recover quickly ? > > Thanks > Joe > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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