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OK first thing you can buy Arimidex from the ADC with out a script from a Dr. or

you can by the Liquidex from research labs. Links

http://www.ag-guys.com/store/product.php?productid=16135 & cat=248

With this men use a needle to get there dose and take it by mouth.

this link is same as above different lab.

http://www.researchstop.com/dexsolut.html

https://www.alldaychemist.com/75_Arimidex-1mg

Sill I feel it's best to get a script from your Dr. and buy it at a Drug Store

if you can.

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> From: inc_100 <no_reply >

> Subject: TRT and slow recovery

>

> Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 12:41 PM

> Hi Phil:

>

> As you know I am 38yrs old and am on TRT for about an year.

> I am taking .50 cc of Test Cyp every week (200mg/ml) or

> sometimes I do .65 cc every 10days.

>

> You know I am still working on my E2 but still couldnt get

> it under control. And I have weekness in my legs, knee

> pains, pain in feet and also sometimes in elbows. But I feel

> once I learn to manage my E2 well I think all of this will

> be under control. I have been taking DIM but some how its

> not working that great I guess. So I will call my doc for a

> prescription for Arimidex.

>

> Last time when I saw my doc he said take 2 DIM every day 1

> -1 and see and if it seems not working lets do Arimidex. So

> I think I will ask ask him to prescribe me Arimidex. Which

> is the best place to get Arimidex with or without

> prescription ?

>

> My doc is the best one out there. He is open to any

> information I take to him. He will listen, analyse and will

> always try something what we want to. The only thing he

> doesnt do is " wont take insurance " . He says with the

> insurance company restrictions we cannot get optimal

> treatment.

>

> And coming to a new Topic:

>

> In Sep 09 I sprained my knee while swimming and it took me

> 4 plus months to heal. No swelling, no injury nothing. I

> went to my doc and he sent me to an Orthopedic doctor, they

> took x-rays a couple of times but simply nothing. It took so

> long for the pain to go away. And now I twisted my right

> thumb while just relaxing (like stretching after working on

> a computer for a long time).

>

> It has been 2 months now but its still not healing. With

> this I related my knee sprain also and now what I realize is

> THE RECOVERY TIME has been too long with Low T and

> Hypothyroid. I searched all over the internet and found in

> bodybuilding.about.com that to improve recovery time we can

> take some nutritional supplements.

>

> My question to you is: Do you think this is because of my

> Low T ? My doctors dont have any idea about it. They say

> " No " but if so why am I not able to recover quickly ?

>

> Thanks

> Joe

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

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What's your opinion on the Slow recovery ? Why is my body taking so long to

recover from sprains or injurys etc

>

> > From: inc_100 <no_reply >

> > Subject: TRT and slow recovery

> >

> > Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 12:41 PM

> > Hi Phil:

> >

> > As you know I am 38yrs old and am on TRT for about an year.

> > I am taking .50 cc of Test Cyp every week (200mg/ml) or

> > sometimes I do .65 cc every 10days.

> >

> > You know I am still working on my E2 but still couldnt get

> > it under control. And I have weekness in my legs, knee

> > pains, pain in feet and also sometimes in elbows. But I feel

> > once I learn to manage my E2 well I think all of this will

> > be under control. I have been taking DIM but some how its

> > not working that great I guess. So I will call my doc for a

> > prescription for Arimidex.

> >

> > Last time when I saw my doc he said take 2 DIM every day 1

> > -1 and see and if it seems not working lets do Arimidex. So

> > I think I will ask ask him to prescribe me Arimidex. Which

> > is the best place to get Arimidex with or without

> > prescription ?

> >

> > My doc is the best one out there. He is open to any

> > information I take to him. He will listen, analyse and will

> > always try something what we want to. The only thing he

> > doesnt do is " wont take insurance " . He says with the

> > insurance company restrictions we cannot get optimal

> > treatment.

> >

> > And coming to a new Topic:

> >

> > In Sep 09 I sprained my knee while swimming and it took me

> > 4 plus months to heal. No swelling, no injury nothing. I

> > went to my doc and he sent me to an Orthopedic doctor, they

> > took x-rays a couple of times but simply nothing. It took so

> > long for the pain to go away. And now I twisted my right

> > thumb while just relaxing (like stretching after working on

> > a computer for a long time).

> >

> > It has been 2 months now but its still not healing. With

> > this I related my knee sprain also and now what I realize is

> > THE RECOVERY TIME has been too long with Low T and

> > Hypothyroid. I searched all over the internet and found in

> > bodybuilding.about.com that to improve recovery time we can

> > take some nutritional supplements.

> >

> > My question to you is: Do you think this is because of my

> > Low T ? My doctors dont have any idea about it. They say

> > " No " but if so why am I not able to recover quickly ?

> >

> > Thanks

> > Joe

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

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In a message dated 5/15/2010 1:58:49 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,

no_reply writes:

What's your opinion on the Slow recovery ? Why is my body taking so long

to recover from sprains or injurys etc

There are lots of possibilities

Injury simply will not heal without surgery

low testosterone

low HGH or IGF-1

You are a diabetic

Etc.

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What actually is your T and E2 levels?

> >

> > > From: inc_100 <no_reply >

> > > Subject: TRT and slow recovery

> > >

> > > Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 12:41 PM

> > > Hi Phil:

> > >

> > > As you know I am 38yrs old and am on TRT for about an year.

> > > I am taking .50 cc of Test Cyp every week (200mg/ml) or

> > > sometimes I do .65 cc every 10days.

> > >

> > > You know I am still working on my E2 but still couldnt get

> > > it under control. And I have weekness in my legs, knee

> > > pains, pain in feet and also sometimes in elbows. But I feel

> > > once I learn to manage my E2 well I think all of this will

> > > be under control. I have been taking DIM but some how its

> > > not working that great I guess. So I will call my doc for a

> > > prescription for Arimidex.

> > >

> > > Last time when I saw my doc he said take 2 DIM every day 1

> > > -1 and see and if it seems not working lets do Arimidex. So

> > > I think I will ask ask him to prescribe me Arimidex. Which

> > > is the best place to get Arimidex with or without

> > > prescription ?

> > >

> > > My doc is the best one out there. He is open to any

> > > information I take to him. He will listen, analyse and will

> > > always try something what we want to. The only thing he

> > > doesnt do is " wont take insurance " . He says with the

> > > insurance company restrictions we cannot get optimal

> > > treatment.

> > >

> > > And coming to a new Topic:

> > >

> > > In Sep 09 I sprained my knee while swimming and it took me

> > > 4 plus months to heal. No swelling, no injury nothing. I

> > > went to my doc and he sent me to an Orthopedic doctor, they

> > > took x-rays a couple of times but simply nothing. It took so

> > > long for the pain to go away. And now I twisted my right

> > > thumb while just relaxing (like stretching after working on

> > > a computer for a long time).

> > >

> > > It has been 2 months now but its still not healing. With

> > > this I related my knee sprain also and now what I realize is

> > > THE RECOVERY TIME has been too long with Low T and

> > > Hypothyroid. I searched all over the internet and found in

> > > bodybuilding.about.com that to improve recovery time we can

> > > take some nutritional supplements.

> > >

> > > My question to you is: Do you think this is because of my

> > > Low T ? My doctors dont have any idea about it. They say

> > > " No " but if so why am I not able to recover quickly ?

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Joe

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

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Hypothyroid causes slow recovery (actually slow everything). Are you being

properly treated for that? Are you being dosed by TSH (this can leave you

undermedicated) or by your Free T3 and Free T4 levels?

Barb (my husband is on Erfa thyroid AND testosterone cypionate)

> >

> > > From: inc_100 <no_reply >

> > > Subject: TRT and slow recovery

> > >

> > > Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 12:41 PM

> > > Hi Phil:

> > >

> > > As you know I am 38yrs old and am on TRT for about an year.

> > > I am taking .50 cc of Test Cyp every week (200mg/ml) or

> > > sometimes I do .65 cc every 10days.

> > >

> > > You know I am still working on my E2 but still couldnt get

> > > it under control. And I have weekness in my legs, knee

> > > pains, pain in feet and also sometimes in elbows. But I feel

> > > once I learn to manage my E2 well I think all of this will

> > > be under control. I have been taking DIM but some how its

> > > not working that great I guess. So I will call my doc for a

> > > prescription for Arimidex.

> > >

> > > Last time when I saw my doc he said take 2 DIM every day 1

> > > -1 and see and if it seems not working lets do Arimidex. So

> > > I think I will ask ask him to prescribe me Arimidex. Which

> > > is the best place to get Arimidex with or without

> > > prescription ?

> > >

> > > My doc is the best one out there. He is open to any

> > > information I take to him. He will listen, analyse and will

> > > always try something what we want to. The only thing he

> > > doesnt do is " wont take insurance " . He says with the

> > > insurance company restrictions we cannot get optimal

> > > treatment.

> > >

> > > And coming to a new Topic:

> > >

> > > In Sep 09 I sprained my knee while swimming and it took me

> > > 4 plus months to heal. No swelling, no injury nothing. I

> > > went to my doc and he sent me to an Orthopedic doctor, they

> > > took x-rays a couple of times but simply nothing. It took so

> > > long for the pain to go away. And now I twisted my right

> > > thumb while just relaxing (like stretching after working on

> > > a computer for a long time).

> > >

> > > It has been 2 months now but its still not healing. With

> > > this I related my knee sprain also and now what I realize is

> > > THE RECOVERY TIME has been too long with Low T and

> > > Hypothyroid. I searched all over the internet and found in

> > > bodybuilding.about.com that to improve recovery time we can

> > > take some nutritional supplements.

> > >

> > > My question to you is: Do you think this is because of my

> > > Low T ? My doctors dont have any idea about it. They say

> > > " No " but if so why am I not able to recover quickly ?

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Joe

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

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I can't say for sure or to what extent that low T is causing your slow recovery,

but I am sure it plays to a part. Every now and then I increase the amount of T

I take and, without a doubt, my recovery times are decreased. When I ween

myself back down to " normal " levels I have aches/pains that I never noticed

before.

I am also hypothyroid. All these hormones play a part in healing/recovery.

Illness or not, everyone takes longer to heal at 38.

>

> Hi Phil:

>

> As you know I am 38yrs old and am on TRT for about an year. I am taking .50 cc

of Test Cyp every week (200mg/ml) or sometimes I do .65 cc every 10days.

>

> You know I am still working on my E2 but still couldnt get it under control.

And I have weekness in my legs, knee pains, pain in feet and also sometimes in

elbows. But I feel once I learn to manage my E2 well I think all of this will be

under control. I have been taking DIM but some how its not working that great I

guess. So I will call my doc for a prescription for Arimidex.

>

> Last time when I saw my doc he said take 2 DIM every day 1 -1 and see and if

it seems not working lets do Arimidex. So I think I will ask ask him to

prescribe me Arimidex. Which is the best place to get Arimidex with or without

prescription ?

>

> My doc is the best one out there. He is open to any information I take to him.

He will listen, analyse and will always try something what we want to. The only

thing he doesnt do is " wont take insurance " . He says with the insurance company

restrictions we cannot get optimal treatment.

>

> And coming to a new Topic:

>

> In Sep 09 I sprained my knee while swimming and it took me 4 plus months to

heal. No swelling, no injury nothing. I went to my doc and he sent me to an

Orthopedic doctor, they took x-rays a couple of times but simply nothing. It

took so long for the pain to go away. And now I twisted my right thumb while

just relaxing (like stretching after working on a computer for a long time).

>

> It has been 2 months now but its still not healing. With this I related my

knee sprain also and now what I realize is THE RECOVERY TIME has been too long

with Low T and Hypothyroid. I searched all over the internet and found in

bodybuilding.about.com that to improve recovery time we can take some

nutritional supplements.

>

> My question to you is: Do you think this is because of my Low T ? My doctors

dont have any idea about it. They say " No " but if so why am I not able to

recover quickly ?

>

> Thanks

> Joe

>

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About 2 plus months ago my E2 was 100 which is way too high.

My T levels were around 600 - 800 depends on my shot duration. I do weekly

sometimes and do 10days sometimes.

I dont like shots. :(

> > >

> > > > From: inc_100 <no_reply >

> > > > Subject: TRT and slow recovery

> > > >

> > > > Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 12:41 PM

> > > > Hi Phil:

> > > >

> > > > As you know I am 38yrs old and am on TRT for about an year.

> > > > I am taking .50 cc of Test Cyp every week (200mg/ml) or

> > > > sometimes I do .65 cc every 10days.

> > > >

> > > > You know I am still working on my E2 but still couldnt get

> > > > it under control. And I have weekness in my legs, knee

> > > > pains, pain in feet and also sometimes in elbows. But I feel

> > > > once I learn to manage my E2 well I think all of this will

> > > > be under control. I have been taking DIM but some how its

> > > > not working that great I guess. So I will call my doc for a

> > > > prescription for Arimidex.

> > > >

> > > > Last time when I saw my doc he said take 2 DIM every day 1

> > > > -1 and see and if it seems not working lets do Arimidex. So

> > > > I think I will ask ask him to prescribe me Arimidex. Which

> > > > is the best place to get Arimidex with or without

> > > > prescription ?

> > > >

> > > > My doc is the best one out there. He is open to any

> > > > information I take to him. He will listen, analyse and will

> > > > always try something what we want to. The only thing he

> > > > doesnt do is " wont take insurance " . He says with the

> > > > insurance company restrictions we cannot get optimal

> > > > treatment.

> > > >

> > > > And coming to a new Topic:

> > > >

> > > > In Sep 09 I sprained my knee while swimming and it took me

> > > > 4 plus months to heal. No swelling, no injury nothing. I

> > > > went to my doc and he sent me to an Orthopedic doctor, they

> > > > took x-rays a couple of times but simply nothing. It took so

> > > > long for the pain to go away. And now I twisted my right

> > > > thumb while just relaxing (like stretching after working on

> > > > a computer for a long time).

> > > >

> > > > It has been 2 months now but its still not healing. With

> > > > this I related my knee sprain also and now what I realize is

> > > > THE RECOVERY TIME has been too long with Low T and

> > > > Hypothyroid. I searched all over the internet and found in

> > > > bodybuilding.about.com that to improve recovery time we can

> > > > take some nutritional supplements.

> > > >

> > > > My question to you is: Do you think this is because of my

> > > > Low T ? My doctors dont have any idea about it. They say

> > > > " No " but if so why am I not able to recover quickly ?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Joe

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

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Yeah. Might be the harmones. But I want to see what's the remedy. I read about a

supplement from Labrada's nutrition which helps quick recovery but not sure if

it really works. That's for bodybuilders ?

> >

> > Hi Phil:

> >

> > As you know I am 38yrs old and am on TRT for about an year. I am taking .50

cc of Test Cyp every week (200mg/ml) or sometimes I do .65 cc every 10days.

> >

> > You know I am still working on my E2 but still couldnt get it under control.

And I have weekness in my legs, knee pains, pain in feet and also sometimes in

elbows. But I feel once I learn to manage my E2 well I think all of this will be

under control. I have been taking DIM but some how its not working that great I

guess. So I will call my doc for a prescription for Arimidex.

> >

> > Last time when I saw my doc he said take 2 DIM every day 1 -1 and see and if

it seems not working lets do Arimidex. So I think I will ask ask him to

prescribe me Arimidex. Which is the best place to get Arimidex with or without

prescription ?

> >

> > My doc is the best one out there. He is open to any information I take to

him. He will listen, analyse and will always try something what we want to. The

only thing he doesnt do is " wont take insurance " . He says with the insurance

company restrictions we cannot get optimal treatment.

> >

> > And coming to a new Topic:

> >

> > In Sep 09 I sprained my knee while swimming and it took me 4 plus months to

heal. No swelling, no injury nothing. I went to my doc and he sent me to an

Orthopedic doctor, they took x-rays a couple of times but simply nothing. It

took so long for the pain to go away. And now I twisted my right thumb while

just relaxing (like stretching after working on a computer for a long time).

> >

> > It has been 2 months now but its still not healing. With this I related my

knee sprain also and now what I realize is THE RECOVERY TIME has been too long

with Low T and Hypothyroid. I searched all over the internet and found in

bodybuilding.about.com that to improve recovery time we can take some

nutritional supplements.

> >

> > My question to you is: Do you think this is because of my Low T ? My doctors

dont have any idea about it. They say " No " but if so why am I not able to

recover quickly ?

> >

> > Thanks

> > Joe

> >

>

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I don't know what supplement you are talking about, but recovery is recovery.

Lifters, swimmers, bikers, wrestlers, day laborers, it doesn't matter. The

mechanisms are the same. Sleep, diet and optimal (perhaps supraphysiologic)

hormones will help more than any supplement.

> > >

> > > Hi Phil:

> > >

> > > As you know I am 38yrs old and am on TRT for about an year. I am taking

..50 cc of Test Cyp every week (200mg/ml) or sometimes I do .65 cc every 10days.

> > >

> > > You know I am still working on my E2 but still couldnt get it under

control. And I have weekness in my legs, knee pains, pain in feet and also

sometimes in elbows. But I feel once I learn to manage my E2 well I think all of

this will be under control. I have been taking DIM but some how its not working

that great I guess. So I will call my doc for a prescription for Arimidex.

> > >

> > > Last time when I saw my doc he said take 2 DIM every day 1 -1 and see and

if it seems not working lets do Arimidex. So I think I will ask ask him to

prescribe me Arimidex. Which is the best place to get Arimidex with or without

prescription ?

> > >

> > > My doc is the best one out there. He is open to any information I take to

him. He will listen, analyse and will always try something what we want to. The

only thing he doesnt do is " wont take insurance " . He says with the insurance

company restrictions we cannot get optimal treatment.

> > >

> > > And coming to a new Topic:

> > >

> > > In Sep 09 I sprained my knee while swimming and it took me 4 plus months

to heal. No swelling, no injury nothing. I went to my doc and he sent me to an

Orthopedic doctor, they took x-rays a couple of times but simply nothing. It

took so long for the pain to go away. And now I twisted my right thumb while

just relaxing (like stretching after working on a computer for a long time).

> > >

> > > It has been 2 months now but its still not healing. With this I related my

knee sprain also and now what I realize is THE RECOVERY TIME has been too long

with Low T and Hypothyroid. I searched all over the internet and found in

bodybuilding.about.com that to improve recovery time we can take some

nutritional supplements.

> > >

> > > My question to you is: Do you think this is because of my Low T ? My

doctors dont have any idea about it. They say " No " but if so why am I not able

to recover quickly ?

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Joe

> > >

> >

>

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As Phil has mentioned, maybe you should pick up some Arimadex. This would

probably work much better than DIM. I can't tell you by experience though.

Maybe your T level is too high. possibly you will run better on a lower level,

bringing your E2 under control.

> > > >

> > > > > From: inc_100 <no_reply >

> > > > > Subject: TRT and slow recovery

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 12:41 PM

> > > > > Hi Phil:

> > > > >

> > > > > As you know I am 38yrs old and am on TRT for about an year.

> > > > > I am taking .50 cc of Test Cyp every week (200mg/ml) or

> > > > > sometimes I do .65 cc every 10days.

> > > > >

> > > > > You know I am still working on my E2 but still couldnt get

> > > > > it under control. And I have weekness in my legs, knee

> > > > > pains, pain in feet and also sometimes in elbows. But I feel

> > > > > once I learn to manage my E2 well I think all of this will

> > > > > be under control. I have been taking DIM but some how its

> > > > > not working that great I guess. So I will call my doc for a

> > > > > prescription for Arimidex.

> > > > >

> > > > > Last time when I saw my doc he said take 2 DIM every day 1

> > > > > -1 and see and if it seems not working lets do Arimidex. So

> > > > > I think I will ask ask him to prescribe me Arimidex. Which

> > > > > is the best place to get Arimidex with or without

> > > > > prescription ?

> > > > >

> > > > > My doc is the best one out there. He is open to any

> > > > > information I take to him. He will listen, analyse and will

> > > > > always try something what we want to. The only thing he

> > > > > doesnt do is " wont take insurance " . He says with the

> > > > > insurance company restrictions we cannot get optimal

> > > > > treatment.

> > > > >

> > > > > And coming to a new Topic:

> > > > >

> > > > > In Sep 09 I sprained my knee while swimming and it took me

> > > > > 4 plus months to heal. No swelling, no injury nothing. I

> > > > > went to my doc and he sent me to an Orthopedic doctor, they

> > > > > took x-rays a couple of times but simply nothing. It took so

> > > > > long for the pain to go away. And now I twisted my right

> > > > > thumb while just relaxing (like stretching after working on

> > > > > a computer for a long time).

> > > > >

> > > > > It has been 2 months now but its still not healing. With

> > > > > this I related my knee sprain also and now what I realize is

> > > > > THE RECOVERY TIME has been too long with Low T and

> > > > > Hypothyroid. I searched all over the internet and found in

> > > > > bodybuilding.about.com that to improve recovery time we can

> > > > > take some nutritional supplements.

> > > > >

> > > > > My question to you is: Do you think this is because of my

> > > > > Low T ? My doctors dont have any idea about it. They say

> > > > > " No " but if so why am I not able to recover quickly ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > > Joe

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

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If your on TRT and not leveled right with a lower Estradiol your body Joints and

Muscles are not being supported with enough Testosterone. Men need to get there

TT up into the upper 1/3 of there labs range and keep there Estradiol levels

down to about 20 pg/ml. Then as you level off your body will start to undo any

damage done from having low T and little by little you will get better it's not

a over night thing. It took yrs. to get this bad and it will take some time not

yrs. to get better.

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Phil

> From: inc_100 <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: TRT and slow recovery

>

> Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 4:55 PM

> What's your opinion on the Slow

> recovery ? Why is my body taking so long to recover from

> sprains or injurys etc

>

>

>

>

> >

> > > From: inc_100 <no_reply >

> > > Subject: TRT and slow recovery

> > >

> > > Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 12:41 PM

> > > Hi Phil:

> > >

> > > As you know I am 38yrs old and am on TRT for

> about an year.

> > > I am taking .50 cc of Test Cyp every week

> (200mg/ml) or

> > > sometimes I do .65 cc every 10days.

> > >

> > > You know I am still working on my E2 but still

> couldnt get

> > > it under control. And I have weekness in my legs,

> knee

> > > pains, pain in feet and also sometimes in elbows.

> But I feel

> > > once I learn to manage my E2 well I think all of

> this will

> > > be under control. I have been taking DIM but some

> how its

> > > not working that great I guess. So I will call my

> doc for a

> > > prescription for Arimidex.

> > >

> > > Last time when I saw my doc he said take 2 DIM

> every day 1

> > > -1 and see and if it seems not working lets do

> Arimidex. So

> > > I think I will ask ask him to prescribe me

> Arimidex. Which

> > > is the best place to get Arimidex with or

> without

> > > prescription ?

> > >

> > > My doc is the best one out there. He is open to

> any

> > > information I take to him. He will listen,

> analyse and will

> > > always try something what we want to. The only

> thing he

> > > doesnt do is " wont take insurance " . He says with

> the

> > > insurance company restrictions we cannot get

> optimal

> > > treatment.

> > >

> > > And coming to a new Topic:

> > >

> > > In Sep 09 I sprained my knee while swimming and

> it took me

> > > 4 plus months to heal. No swelling, no injury

> nothing. I

> > > went to my doc and he sent me to an Orthopedic

> doctor, they

> > > took x-rays a couple of times but simply nothing.

> It took so

> > > long for the pain to go away. And now I twisted

> my right

> > > thumb while just relaxing (like stretching after

> working on

> > > a computer for a long time).

> > >

> > > It has been 2 months now but its still not

> healing. With

> > > this I related my knee sprain also and now what I

> realize is

> > > THE RECOVERY TIME has been too long with Low T

> and

> > > Hypothyroid. I searched all over the internet and

> found in

> > > bodybuilding.about.com that to improve recovery

> time we can

> > > take some nutritional supplements.

> > >

> > > My question to you is: Do you think this is

> because of my

> > > Low T ? My doctors dont have any idea about it.

> They say

> > > " No " but if so why am I not able to recover

> quickly ?

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Joe

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

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If you back off on your TRT and get aches/pains you levels are to low. Your not

supporting your body with enough T labs are a tool not the law.

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> From: mach_sakurai <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: TRT and slow recovery

>

> Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 9:38 PM

> I can't say for sure or to what

> extent that low T is causing your slow recovery, but I am

> sure it plays to a part.  Every now and then I increase

> the amount of T I take and, without a doubt, my recovery

> times are decreased.  When I ween myself back down to

> " normal " levels I have aches/pains that I never noticed

> before.

>

>

> I am also hypothyroid. All these hormones play a part in

> healing/recovery.  Illness or not, everyone takes

> longer to heal at 38.

>

>

>

> >

> > Hi Phil:

> >

> > As you know I am 38yrs old and am on TRT for about an

> year. I am taking .50 cc of Test Cyp every week (200mg/ml)

> or sometimes I do .65 cc every 10days.

> >

> > You know I am still working on my E2 but still couldnt

> get it under control. And I have weekness in my legs, knee

> pains, pain in feet and also sometimes in elbows. But I feel

> once I learn to manage my E2 well I think all of this will

> be under control. I have been taking DIM but some how its

> not working that great I guess. So I will call my doc for a

> prescription for Arimidex.

> >

> > Last time when I saw my doc he said take 2 DIM every

> day 1 -1 and see and if it seems not working lets do

> Arimidex. So I think I will ask ask him to prescribe me

> Arimidex. Which is the best place to get Arimidex with or

> without prescription ?

> >

> > My doc is the best one out there. He is open to any

> information I take to him. He will listen, analyse and will

> always try something what we want to. The only thing he

> doesnt do is " wont take insurance " . He says with the

> insurance company restrictions we cannot get optimal

> treatment.

> >

> > And coming to a new Topic:

> >

> > In Sep 09 I sprained my knee while swimming and it

> took me 4 plus months to heal. No swelling, no injury

> nothing. I went to my doc and he sent me to an Orthopedic

> doctor, they took x-rays a couple of times but simply

> nothing. It took so long for the pain to go away. And now I

> twisted my right thumb while just relaxing (like stretching

> after working on a computer for a long time).

> >

> > It has been 2 months now but its still not healing.

> With this I related my knee sprain also and now what I

> realize is THE RECOVERY TIME has been too long with Low T

> and Hypothyroid. I searched all over the internet and found

> in bodybuilding.about.com that to improve recovery time we

> can take some nutritional supplements.

> >

> > My question to you is: Do you think this is because of

> my Low T ? My doctors dont have any idea about it. They say

> " No " but if so why am I not able to recover quickly ?

> >

> > Thanks

> > Joe

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

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When E2 levels are this high SHBG can go why up this binds up your Free T levels

low Free T with a good TT your not going to feel better. Keep E2 levels down my

Free T went from a low level to the top of the range.

http://www.griffinmedical.com/male_hormone_modulation_therapy.html

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Phil

> From: inc_100 <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: TRT and slow recovery

>

> Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 9:53 PM

> About 2 plus months ago my E2 was 100

> which is way too high.

>

> My T levels were around 600 - 800 depends on my shot

> duration. I do weekly sometimes and do 10days sometimes.

>

> I dont like shots. :(

>

>

> > > >

> > > > > From: inc_100 <no_reply >

> > > > > Subject: TRT and slow

> recovery

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 12:41 PM

> > > > > Hi Phil:

> > > > >

> > > > > As you know I am 38yrs old and am on

> TRT for about an year.

> > > > > I am taking .50 cc of Test Cyp every

> week (200mg/ml) or

> > > > > sometimes I do .65 cc every 10days.

> > > > >

> > > > > You know I am still working on my E2

> but still couldnt get

> > > > > it under control. And I have weekness

> in my legs, knee

> > > > > pains, pain in feet and also sometimes

> in elbows. But I feel

> > > > > once I learn to manage my E2 well I

> think all of this will

> > > > > be under control. I have been taking

> DIM but some how its

> > > > > not working that great I guess. So I

> will call my doc for a

> > > > > prescription for Arimidex.

> > > > >

> > > > > Last time when I saw my doc he said

> take 2 DIM every day 1

> > > > > -1 and see and if it seems not working

> lets do Arimidex. So

> > > > > I think I will ask ask him to prescribe

> me Arimidex. Which

> > > > > is the best place to get Arimidex with

> or without

> > > > > prescription ?

> > > > >

> > > > > My doc is the best one out there. He is

> open to any

> > > > > information I take to him. He will

> listen, analyse and will

> > > > > always try something what we want to.

> The only thing he

> > > > > doesnt do is " wont take insurance " . He

> says with the

> > > > > insurance company restrictions we

> cannot get optimal

> > > > > treatment.

> > > > >

> > > > > And coming to a new Topic:

> > > > >

> > > > > In Sep 09 I sprained my knee while

> swimming and it took me

> > > > > 4 plus months to heal. No swelling, no

> injury nothing. I

> > > > > went to my doc and he sent me to an

> Orthopedic doctor, they

> > > > > took x-rays a couple of times but

> simply nothing. It took so

> > > > > long for the pain to go away. And now I

> twisted my right

> > > > > thumb while just relaxing (like

> stretching after working on

> > > > > a computer for a long time).

> > > > >

> > > > > It has been 2 months now but its still

> not healing. With

> > > > > this I related my knee sprain also and

> now what I realize is

> > > > > THE RECOVERY TIME has been too long

> with Low T and

> > > > > Hypothyroid. I searched all over the

> internet and found in

> > > > > bodybuilding.about.com that to improve

> recovery time we can

> > > > > take some nutritional supplements.

> > > > >

> > > > > My question to you is: Do you think

> this is because of my

> > > > > Low T ? My doctors dont have any idea

> about it. They say

> > > > > " No " but if so why am I not able to

> recover quickly ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > > Joe

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

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Phil, the amount I was taking was supraphysiologic.

>

> > From: mach_sakurai <no_reply >

>

> > Subject: Re: TRT and slow recovery

>

> >

>

> > Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 9:38 PM

>

> > I can't say for sure or to what

> > extent that low T is causing your slow recovery, but I am

> > sure it plays to a part. Every now and then I increase

> > the amount of T I take and, without a doubt, my recovery

> > times are decreased. When I ween myself back down to

> > " normal " levels I have aches/pains that I never noticed

> > before.

> >

> >

> > I am also hypothyroid. All these hormones play a part in

> > healing/recovery.� Illness or not, everyone takes

> > longer to heal at 38.

> >

> >

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That is a big word " supraphysiologic " how much Testosterone were you on and what

were your levels.

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Phil

> From: mach_sakurai <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: TRT and slow recovery

>

> Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 2:54 PM

> Phil, the amount I was taking was

> supraphysiologic.

>

>

>

> >

> > > From: mach_sakurai <no_reply >

> >

> > > Subject: Re: TRT and slow

> recovery

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 9:38 PM

> >

> > > I can't say for sure or to what

> > > extent that low T is causing your slow recovery,

> but I am

> > > sure it plays to a part. Every now and then I

> increase

> > > the amount of T I take and, without a doubt, my

> recovery

> > > times are decreased. When I ween myself back down

> to

> > > " normal " levels I have aches/pains that I never

> noticed

> > > before.

> > >

> > >

> > > I am also hypothyroid. All these hormones play a

> part in

> > > healing/recovery.� Illness or not, everyone

> takes

> > > longer to heal at 38.

> > >

> > >

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

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In a message dated 5/16/2010 5:36:50 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,

virtuosa150@... writes:

Vitamin D is still to the low end of normal even being on 16000iu.

I suggest using the Vitamin Shoppe gelcap brand of D3 if you are not. There

have been reports that at least one other brand is either underdosed or

there are absorption problems with that brand...

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Phil, last tested my TT was 917 and E2 at 21. I still have bad ED. Do you think

the wood will ever come back or am I screwed? I still have problems with RT3 and

Vitamin D is still to the low end of normal even being on 16000iu.

> > >

> > > > From: inc_100 <no_reply >

> > > > Subject: TRT and slow recovery

> > > >

> > > > Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 12:41 PM

> > > > Hi Phil:

> > > >

> > > > As you know I am 38yrs old and am on TRT for

> > about an year.

> > > > I am taking .50 cc of Test Cyp every week

> > (200mg/ml) or

> > > > sometimes I do .65 cc every 10days.

> > > >

> > > > You know I am still working on my E2 but still

> > couldnt get

> > > > it under control. And I have weekness in my legs,

> > knee

> > > > pains, pain in feet and also sometimes in elbows.

> > But I feel

> > > > once I learn to manage my E2 well I think all of

> > this will

> > > > be under control. I have been taking DIM but some

> > how its

> > > > not working that great I guess. So I will call my

> > doc for a

> > > > prescription for Arimidex.

> > > >

> > > > Last time when I saw my doc he said take 2 DIM

> > every day 1

> > > > -1 and see and if it seems not working lets do

> > Arimidex. So

> > > > I think I will ask ask him to prescribe me

> > Arimidex. Which

> > > > is the best place to get Arimidex with or

> > without

> > > > prescription ?

> > > >

> > > > My doc is the best one out there. He is open to

> > any

> > > > information I take to him. He will listen,

> > analyse and will

> > > > always try something what we want to. The only

> > thing he

> > > > doesnt do is " wont take insurance " . He says with

> > the

> > > > insurance company restrictions we cannot get

> > optimal

> > > > treatment.

> > > >

> > > > And coming to a new Topic:

> > > >

> > > > In Sep 09 I sprained my knee while swimming and

> > it took me

> > > > 4 plus months to heal. No swelling, no injury

> > nothing. I

> > > > went to my doc and he sent me to an Orthopedic

> > doctor, they

> > > > took x-rays a couple of times but simply nothing.

> > It took so

> > > > long for the pain to go away. And now I twisted

> > my right

> > > > thumb while just relaxing (like stretching after

> > working on

> > > > a computer for a long time).

> > > >

> > > > It has been 2 months now but its still not

> > healing. With

> > > > this I related my knee sprain also and now what I

> > realize is

> > > > THE RECOVERY TIME has been too long with Low T

> > and

> > > > Hypothyroid. I searched all over the internet and

> > found in

> > > > bodybuilding.about.com that to improve recovery

> > time we can

> > > > take some nutritional supplements.

> > > >

> > > > My question to you is: Do you think this is

> > because of my

> > > > Low T ? My doctors dont have any idea about it.

> > They say

> > > > " No " but if so why am I not able to recover

> > quickly ?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Joe

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

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As long as you don't have heath problems that can cause ED like high sugar or on

meds that cause ED and your penis is healthy checkout to be good by a Uro yes

you can get them back. I lost it for 10 yrs and got them back. I even found I

have below levels of Ferritin and when on Iron pills this helped a lot. My

Homocysteine (Caridioviasular)were bad with below levels of Folic Acid there

just so many things that can do this you need to find them one at a time fix it

and look for the next problem.

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Phil

> From: jim <virtuosa150@...>

> Subject: Re: TRT and slow recovery

>

> Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 8:36 PM

> Phil, last tested my TT was 917 and

> E2 at 21. I still have bad ED. Do you think the wood will

> ever come back or am I screwed? I still have problems with

> RT3 and Vitamin D is still to the low end of normal even

> being on 16000iu.

>

>

> > > >

> > > > > From: inc_100 <no_reply >

> > > > > Subject: TRT and slow

> recovery

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 12:41 PM

> > > > > Hi Phil:

> > > > >

> > > > > As you know I am 38yrs old and am on

> TRT for

> > > about an year.

> > > > > I am taking .50 cc of Test Cyp every

> week

> > > (200mg/ml) or

> > > > > sometimes I do .65 cc every 10days.

> > > > >

> > > > > You know I am still working on my E2

> but still

> > > couldnt get

> > > > > it under control. And I have weekness

> in my legs,

> > > knee

> > > > > pains, pain in feet and also sometimes

> in elbows.

> > > But I feel

> > > > > once I learn to manage my E2 well I

> think all of

> > > this will

> > > > > be under control. I have been taking

> DIM but some

> > > how its

> > > > > not working that great I guess. So I

> will call my

> > > doc for a

> > > > > prescription for Arimidex.

> > > > >

> > > > > Last time when I saw my doc he said

> take 2 DIM

> > > every day 1

> > > > > -1 and see and if it seems not working

> lets do

> > > Arimidex. So

> > > > > I think I will ask ask him to prescribe

> me

> > > Arimidex. Which

> > > > > is the best place to get Arimidex with

> or

> > > without

> > > > > prescription ?

> > > > >

> > > > > My doc is the best one out there. He is

> open to

> > > any

> > > > > information I take to him. He will

> listen,

> > > analyse and will

> > > > > always try something what we want to.

> The only

> > > thing he

> > > > > doesnt do is " wont take insurance " . He

> says with

> > > the

> > > > > insurance company restrictions we

> cannot get

> > > optimal

> > > > > treatment.

> > > > >

> > > > > And coming to a new Topic:

> > > > >

> > > > > In Sep 09 I sprained my knee while

> swimming and

> > > it took me

> > > > > 4 plus months to heal. No swelling, no

> injury

> > > nothing. I

> > > > > went to my doc and he sent me to an

> Orthopedic

> > > doctor, they

> > > > > took x-rays a couple of times but

> simply nothing.

> > > It took so

> > > > > long for the pain to go away. And now I

> twisted

> > > my right

> > > > > thumb while just relaxing (like

> stretching after

> > > working on

> > > > > a computer for a long time).

> > > > >

> > > > > It has been 2 months now but its still

> not

> > > healing. With

> > > > > this I related my knee sprain also and

> now what I

> > > realize is

> > > > > THE RECOVERY TIME has been too long

> with Low T

> > > and

> > > > > Hypothyroid. I searched all over the

> internet and

> > > found in

> > > > > bodybuilding.about.com that to improve

> recovery

> > > time we can

> > > > > take some nutritional supplements.

> > > > >

> > > > > My question to you is: Do you think

> this is

> > > because of my

> > > > > Low T ? My doctors dont have any idea

> about it.

> > > They say

> > > > > " No " but if so why am I not able to

> recover

> > > quickly ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks

> > > > > Joe

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

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Joe,

Based on my recent experience, the low T is a major contributor to your recovery

time being slow.

Bill

________________________________

From: inc_100 <no_reply >

Sent: Sat, May 15, 2010 12:41:37 PM

Subject: TRT and slow recovery

Hi Phil:

As you know I am 38yrs old and am on TRT for about an year. I am taking .50 cc

of Test Cyp every week (200mg/ml) or sometimes I do .65 cc every 10days.

You know I am still working on my E2 but still couldnt get it under control. And

I have weekness in my legs, knee pains, pain in feet and also sometimes in

elbows. But I feel once I learn to manage my E2 well I think all of this will be

under control. I have been taking DIM but some how its not working that great I

guess. So I will call my doc for a prescription for Arimidex.

Last time when I saw my doc he said take 2 DIM every day 1 -1 and see and if it

seems not working lets do Arimidex. So I think I will ask ask him to prescribe

me Arimidex. Which is the best place to get Arimidex with or without

prescription ?

My doc is the best one out there. He is open to any information I take to him.

He will listen, analyse and will always try something what we want to. The only

thing he doesnt do is " wont take insurance " . He says with the insurance company

restrictions we cannot get optimal treatment.

And coming to a new Topic:

In Sep 09 I sprained my knee while swimming and it took me 4 plus months to

heal. No swelling, no injury nothing. I went to my doc and he sent me to an

Orthopedic doctor, they took x-rays a couple of times but simply nothing. It

took so long for the pain to go away. And now I twisted my right thumb while

just relaxing (like stretching after working on a computer for a long time).

It has been 2 months now but its still not healing. With this I related my knee

sprain also and now what I realize is THE RECOVERY TIME has been too long with

Low T and Hypothyroid. I searched all over the internet and found in

bodybuilding.about.com that to improve recovery time we can take some

nutritional supplements.

My question to you is: Do you think this is because of my Low T ? My doctors

dont have any idea about it. They say " No " but if so why am I not able to

recover quickly ?

Thanks

Joe

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Here is a good link to a video on Vit.D.

http://www.uvadvantage.org/portals/0/pres/

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> From: WithBACON@... <WithBACON@...>

> Subject: Re: TRT and slow recovery

>

> Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 11:28 PM

> In a message dated 5/16/2010 5:36:50

> P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, 

> virtuosa150@...

> writes:

>

> Vitamin D is still to the low end of normal even being

> on  16000iu.

> I suggest using the Vitamin Shoppe gelcap brand of D3 if

> you are not. There

> have been reports that at least one other brand is either

> underdosed or

> there  are absorption problems with that brand...

>

>

>

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Thank you Bill for the info. Yes. I too think so but I am on TRT and I dont

understand why is the recovery time still very bad.

Joe

>

> Joe,

>

> Based on my recent experience, the low T is a major contributor to your

recovery time being slow.

> Bill

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: inc_100 <no_reply >

>

> Sent: Sat, May 15, 2010 12:41:37 PM

> Subject: TRT and slow recovery

>

>

> Hi Phil:

>

> As you know I am 38yrs old and am on TRT for about an year. I am taking .50 cc

of Test Cyp every week (200mg/ml) or sometimes I do .65 cc every 10days.

>

> You know I am still working on my E2 but still couldnt get it under control.

And I have weekness in my legs, knee pains, pain in feet and also sometimes in

elbows. But I feel once I learn to manage my E2 well I think all of this will be

under control. I have been taking DIM but some how its not working that great I

guess. So I will call my doc for a prescription for Arimidex.

>

> Last time when I saw my doc he said take 2 DIM every day 1 -1 and see and if

it seems not working lets do Arimidex. So I think I will ask ask him to

prescribe me Arimidex. Which is the best place to get Arimidex with or without

prescription ?

>

> My doc is the best one out there. He is open to any information I take to him.

He will listen, analyse and will always try something what we want to. The only

thing he doesnt do is " wont take insurance " . He says with the insurance company

restrictions we cannot get optimal treatment.

>

> And coming to a new Topic:

>

> In Sep 09 I sprained my knee while swimming and it took me 4 plus months to

heal. No swelling, no injury nothing. I went to my doc and he sent me to an

Orthopedic doctor, they took x-rays a couple of times but simply nothing. It

took so long for the pain to go away. And now I twisted my right thumb while

just relaxing (like stretching after working on a computer for a long time).

>

> It has been 2 months now but its still not healing. With this I related my

knee sprain also and now what I realize is THE RECOVERY TIME has been too long

with Low T and Hypothyroid. I searched all over the internet and found in

bodybuilding.about.com that to improve recovery time we can take some

nutritional supplements.

>

> My question to you is: Do you think this is because of my Low T ? My doctors

dont have any idea about it. They say " No " but if so why am I not able to

recover quickly ?

>

> Thanks

> Joe

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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