Guest guest Posted May 7, 2010 Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 Hi everyone, thanks for this group. Basically, I saw a doctor about a month ago and he told me my " free " T level was low, really low, like the level of a 70 year old man or so. Maybe a bit younger, but it wasn't younger than 60 when I looked it up. I'm 29 by the way. I was really concerned. I didn't have the stem or root test, or whatever it was called, because that would have cost me nearly $100 or so, if I remember correctly. Even so, I don't see how that T level could be normal. I'm in fairly good shape (like 5'11 " and about 150, so I'm definitely on the skinny side), and have no previous health issues that I know of. I have been a vegetarian for about 15 years, and do have a slight vascularity on one testicle (and have been wearing tighty whiteys my entire life, which I changed two days ago.) The reason I saw the doctor was because I was concerned about erectile dysfunction. I had gotten a girlfriend (the first time in nearly a year or so), and our first two times were not particularly successful. I wanted to nip the problem in the bud, so I got viagra. ...I didn't have time to waste. I'd be seeing my new girlfriend the next day. Anyway, the viagra worked well (I eventually ordered 60 pills offline), but it led to its own problems. I think I eventually became a bit psychologically dependent upon it. I want to get to the point where I no longer need it, and I have a very strong suspicion my T level is the problem. Basically, I look a good bit younger than I am. I'm 29 and I look 24 or so. No real hair on my chest. I've been a vegetarian since 15, so maybe that has something to do with it (no plans on eating meat.) I've also been having a bit of social anxiety, and was wondering/hoping if testosterone might help me with that. Anyway, I was wondering if the people here could give me some help. I agree a doctor would be good, but I don't really have the money right now, and I'm betting a lot of the official treatments would cost a lot of money. Also, I don't really see what the draw backs could be. Testosterone is a natural chemical, and it seems a lot better to try something like that than Paxil or whatever. So, where can you order this stuff? I want the real thing, and I heard that natural supplements don't really work as well. Are there any things that work better than others? Major side-effects? Good places to order from, (I'm very nervous about this)? Gels vs. injections? Do people think about my story as showing signs of low T, (by the way, erection quality was not too great, that's why I got the viagra in the first place)? Thanks so much. Josh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2010 Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 Thanks a lot, Phil. I really appreciate it. I think I'm going to see a Dr. soon (and I will post my figures.) I have a feeling this is a bit complicated and/or sensitive for me to mess around with on my own. One last question, I've been masterbating every day for about the last 10 years. Does this have an effect on erection quality or testosterone? I believe most men do it a bit less, but I'm not entirely sure. Sorry, I know that's a bit off-topic, but just curious. Josh > > > From: <lewis_harding27@...> > > Subject: Questions for a beginner > > > > Date: Friday, May 7, 2010, 7:05 AM > > Hi everyone, thanks for this group. > > > > Basically, I saw a doctor about a month ago and he told me > > my " free " T level was low, really low, like the level of a > > 70 year old man or so. Maybe a bit younger, but it > > wasn't younger than 60 when I looked it up. I'm 29 by > > the way. > > > > I was really concerned. I didn't have the stem or > > root test, or whatever it was called, because that would > > have cost me nearly $100 or so, if I remember > > correctly. Even so, I don't see how that T level could > > be normal. I'm in fairly good shape (like 5'11 " and > > about 150, so I'm definitely on the skinny side), and have > > no previous health issues that I know of. I have been > > a vegetarian for about 15 years, and do have a slight > > vascularity on one testicle (and have been wearing tighty > > whiteys my entire life, which I changed two days ago.) > > > > The reason I saw the doctor was because I was concerned > > about erectile dysfunction. I had gotten a girlfriend > > (the first time in nearly a year or so), and our first two > > times were not particularly successful. I wanted to > > nip the problem in the bud, so I got viagra. ...I > > didn't have time to waste. I'd be seeing my new > > girlfriend the next day. > > > > Anyway, the viagra worked well (I eventually ordered 60 > > pills offline), but it led to its own problems. I > > think I eventually became a bit psychologically dependent > > upon it. I want to get to the point where I no longer > > need it, and I have a very strong suspicion my T level is > > the problem. > > > > Basically, I look a good bit younger than I am. I'm > > 29 and I look 24 or so. No real hair on my > > chest. I've been a vegetarian since 15, so maybe that > > has something to do with it (no plans on eating meat.) > > I've also been having a bit of social anxiety, and was > > wondering/hoping if testosterone might help me with that. > > > > Anyway, I was wondering if the people here could give me > > some help. I agree a doctor would be good, but I don't > > really have the money right now, and I'm betting a lot of > > the official treatments would cost a lot of money. > > Also, I don't really see what the draw backs could be. > > Testosterone is a natural chemical, and it seems a lot > > better to try something like that than Paxil or whatever. > > > > So, where can you order this stuff? I want the real > > thing, and I heard that natural supplements don't really > > work as well. Are there any things that work better > > than others? Major side-effects? Good places to > > order from, (I'm very nervous about this)? Gels vs. > > injections? Do people think about my story as showing > > signs of low T, (by the way, erection quality was not too > > great, that's why I got the viagra in the first place)? > > > > Thanks so much. > > > > Josh > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2010 Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 It's not a problem good for you if you don't use it you lose it. Some men as there Testosterone levels get low and there Estradiol levels go to high can't keep it for strong for sex and this is all they have left. I suffered from this problem in my 50's for about 10 yrs so we needed to use a pump to pump it up and a ring to keep it up for sex with my wife but I could not reach an orgasm with this ring on so when she was happy we finished by hand. Today I have all my hormones leveled and feel like sex everyday at 66 problem is when women get older they don't feel this way. Co-Moderator Phil > From: <lewis_harding27@...> > Subject: Re: Questions for a beginner > > Date: Friday, May 7, 2010, 11:04 AM > Thanks a lot, Phil. I really > appreciate it. > > I think I'm going to see a Dr. soon (and I will post my > figures.) I have a feeling this is a bit complicated > and/or sensitive for me to mess around with on my own. > > One last question, I've been masterbating every day for > about the last 10 years. Does this have an effect on > erection quality or testosterone? I believe most men > do it a bit less, but I'm not entirely sure. Sorry, I > know that's a bit off-topic, but just curious. > > Josh > > > > > > > From: <lewis_harding27@...> > > > Subject: Questions for a beginner > > > > > > Date: Friday, May 7, 2010, 7:05 AM > > > Hi everyone, thanks for this group. > > > > > > Basically, I saw a doctor about a month ago and > he told me > > > my " free " T level was low, really low, like the > level of a > > > 70 year old man or so. Maybe a bit younger, but > it > > > wasn't younger than 60 when I looked it up. I'm > 29 by > > > the way. > > > > > > I was really concerned. I didn't have the stem > or > > > root test, or whatever it was called, because > that would > > > have cost me nearly $100 or so, if I remember > > > correctly. Even so, I don't see how that T > level could > > > be normal. I'm in fairly good shape (like 5'11 " > and > > > about 150, so I'm definitely on the skinny side), > and have > > > no previous health issues that I know of. I > have been > > > a vegetarian for about 15 years, and do have a > slight > > > vascularity on one testicle (and have been > wearing tighty > > > whiteys my entire life, which I changed two days > ago.) > > > > > > The reason I saw the doctor was because I was > concerned > > > about erectile dysfunction. I had gotten a > girlfriend > > > (the first time in nearly a year or so), and our > first two > > > times were not particularly successful. I > wanted to > > > nip the problem in the bud, so I got viagra. > ...I > > > didn't have time to waste. I'd be seeing my > new > > > girlfriend the next day. > > > > > > Anyway, the viagra worked well (I eventually > ordered 60 > > > pills offline), but it led to its own problems. > I > > > think I eventually became a bit psychologically > dependent > > > upon it. I want to get to the point where I no > longer > > > need it, and I have a very strong suspicion my T > level is > > > the problem. > > > > > > Basically, I look a good bit younger than I am. > I'm > > > 29 and I look 24 or so. No real hair on my > > > chest. I've been a vegetarian since 15, so > maybe that > > > has something to do with it (no plans on eating > meat.) > > > I've also been having a bit of social anxiety, > and was > > > wondering/hoping if testosterone might help me > with that. > > > > > > Anyway, I was wondering if the people here could > give me > > > some help. I agree a doctor would be good, but > I don't > > > really have the money right now, and I'm betting > a lot of > > > the official treatments would cost a lot of > money. > > > Also, I don't really see what the draw backs > could be. > > > Testosterone is a natural chemical, and it seems > a lot > > > better to try something like that than Paxil or > whatever. > > > > > > So, where can you order this stuff? I want the > real > > > thing, and I heard that natural supplements don't > really > > > work as well. Are there any things that work > better > > > than others? Major side-effects? Good places > to > > > order from, (I'm very nervous about this)? Gels > vs. > > > injections? Do people think about my story as > showing > > > signs of low T, (by the way, erection quality was > not too > > > great, that's why I got the viagra in the first > place)? > > > > > > Thanks so much. > > > > > > Josh > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2010 Report Share Posted May 9, 2010 Does the varicocele affect anything? I'm sorry. I just can't really in good conscience stop being a vegetarian right now. > > > In a message dated 5/7/2010 6:41:04 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > lewis_harding27@... writes: > > have been a vegetarian for about 15 years, and do have a slight > vascularity on one testicle > > > 1) GET THE VARICOCELE FIXED!!!! > > 2) Stop being a vegetarian. Good book re: diet: > _http://tinyurl.com/2bpsrtm_ (http://tinyurl.com/2bpsrtm) > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2010 Report Share Posted May 9, 2010 Yes it can and it can make your T levels low. I don't feel you need to stop your way of eating there are a lot of men that eat this way and are fine just stop SOY if your eating a lot of it. Here is a long thread about varicocele and low T at this link. http://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-anti-aging/56892-varicocele-can-effect.html Co-Moderator Phil > From: <lewis_harding27@...> > Subject: Re: Questions for a beginner > > Date: Sunday, May 9, 2010, 10:41 AM > Does the varicocele affect anything? > > I'm sorry. I just can't really in good conscience > stop being a vegetarian right now. > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/7/2010 6:41:04 A.M. US Mountain > Standard Time, > > lewis_harding27@... writes: > > > > have been a vegetarian for about 15 years, and > do have a slight > > vascularity on one testicle > > > > > > 1) GET THE VARICOCELE FIXED!!!! > > > > 2) Stop being a vegetarian. Good book re: diet: > > _http://tinyurl.com/2bpsrtm_ (http://tinyurl.com/2bpsrtm) > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2010 Report Share Posted May 9, 2010 > > Yes it can and it can make your T levels low. I don't feel you need to stop your way of eating there are a lot of men that eat this way and are fine just stop SOY if your eating a lot of it. Phil,.......a lot of it depends upon whether he is a 'vegetarian', or a true 'vegan' per se. A vegan will not drink cows milk, eat eggs, nor will they even take a fish oil capsule. ANYTHING that is made from an animal is out for them. Including protein powders made from whey, or egg. What does that leave,.......SOY! Most get their protein from soy BTW. Terrible for men as you know. A friend of mine dated a vegan many years ago. She was the sickliest looking individual I had ever seen, and was constantly spouting her vegan views to the rest of us. Most vegans are also PETA members as well. As I said before,.....it's a free country for the time being. His choice about his own life for sure. If he is a vegan though, his lifestyle is a killer, especially for a male. Virtually nothing they eat has any fat in it. Vegans think they are going to change what happens to animals somehow by participating in that lifestyle. If it makes them feel better,.......have at it, but nothing is going to change in terms of what they want to happen. Now if he is a 'vegetarian' due to very bad genes concerning his heart and lipids,.....many people try this approach out of fear, and I can understand that. Most vegetarians will eat salmon though, as they know it is good for their heart and lipid profile. They will also drink skim milk for the protein, vitamin D, and calcium. The 'no meat' statement says vegan, and PETA to me, and he is eating a lot of soy if that is the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2010 Report Share Posted May 9, 2010 It's hard to say you might be right but I do know a vegetarian diet will not give a man low T. Now a vegan diet I have yet to talk to one or do I know all that much about it. I do know there are a lot of them and they don't have health problems so some of them do it right. Co-Moderator Phil > From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...> > Subject: Re: Questions for a beginner > > Date: Sunday, May 9, 2010, 12:41 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes it can and it can make your T levels low. I > don't feel you need to stop your way of eating there are a > lot of men that eat this way and are fine just stop SOY if > your eating a lot of it. > > > Phil,.......a lot of it depends upon whether he is a > 'vegetarian', or a true 'vegan' per se. > > A vegan will not drink cows milk, eat eggs, nor will they > even take a fish oil capsule. ANYTHING that is made from an > animal is out for them. Including protein powders made from > whey, or egg. > What does that leave,.......SOY! > Most get their protein from soy BTW. Terrible for men as > you know. > > A friend of mine dated a vegan many years ago. She was the > sickliest looking individual I had ever seen, and was > constantly spouting her vegan views to the rest of us. Most > vegans are also PETA members as well. > > As I said before,.....it's a free country for the time > being. His choice about his own life for sure. If he is a > vegan though, his lifestyle is a killer, especially for a > male. Virtually nothing they eat has any fat in it. > > Vegans think they are going to change what happens to > animals somehow by participating in that lifestyle. If it > makes them feel better,.......have at it, but nothing is > going to change in terms of what they want to happen. > > Now if he is a 'vegetarian' due to very bad genes > concerning his heart and lipids,.....many people try this > approach out of fear, and I can understand that. Most > vegetarians will eat salmon though, as they know it is good > for their heart and lipid profile. They will also drink skim > milk for the protein, vitamin D, and calcium. > > The 'no meat' statement says vegan, and PETA to me, and he > is eating a lot of soy if that is the case. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2010 Report Share Posted May 9, 2010 In a message dated 5/9/2010 7:46:22 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, lewis_harding27@... writes: Does the varicocele affect anything? Lowers testosterone and impairs fertility, and is *progressive*. For example, lets take two guys, one of whom has a varicocele (Bob) and one of whom doesn't (Tim). Let's track their total testosterone over time Age 20 Bob--567 Tim--523 Age 25 Bob--433 Tim--529 Age 30 Bob--323 Tim--510 Age 35 Bob--211 Tim--499 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2010 Report Share Posted May 9, 2010 I'm more of a lacto-ovo vegetarian than a vegan. I eat eggs and cheese. I was going to say that I don't eat much soy, but then I realized that I drink soy milk every now and then (instead of regular milk.) I really just eat like a normal person, but without the meat. Also, what do you guys think about these shots? I'm planning on seeing the doctor tomorrow, but I'm set on at least giving something a try. I saw that Androgel is sold online. You guys have any recommended dealers? Is there anyway to give yourself the shots to save money? Thanks. > > > > > > Yes it can and it can make your T levels low. I > > don't feel you need to stop your way of eating there are a > > lot of men that eat this way and are fine just stop SOY if > > your eating a lot of it. > > > > > > Phil,.......a lot of it depends upon whether he is a > > 'vegetarian', or a true 'vegan' per se. > > > > A vegan will not drink cows milk, eat eggs, nor will they > > even take a fish oil capsule. ANYTHING that is made from an > > animal is out for them. Including protein powders made from > > whey, or egg. > > What does that leave,.......SOY! > > Most get their protein from soy BTW. Terrible for men as > > you know. > > > > A friend of mine dated a vegan many years ago. She was the > > sickliest looking individual I had ever seen, and was > > constantly spouting her vegan views to the rest of us. Most > > vegans are also PETA members as well. > > > > As I said before,.....it's a free country for the time > > being. His choice about his own life for sure. If he is a > > vegan though, his lifestyle is a killer, especially for a > > male. Virtually nothing they eat has any fat in it. > > > > Vegans think they are going to change what happens to > > animals somehow by participating in that lifestyle. If it > > makes them feel better,.......have at it, but nothing is > > going to change in terms of what they want to happen. > > > > Now if he is a 'vegetarian' due to very bad genes > > concerning his heart and lipids,.....many people try this > > approach out of fear, and I can understand that. Most > > vegetarians will eat salmon though, as they know it is good > > for their heart and lipid profile. They will also drink skim > > milk for the protein, vitamin D, and calcium. > > > > The 'no meat' statement says vegan, and PETA to me, and he > > is eating a lot of soy if that is the case. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2010 Report Share Posted May 9, 2010 If your Dr. is going to put you on TRT and you want shots start with 100mgs every week get him to show you how to do them your self here is a link about it do them in your thigh. But read the info part of this link. http://spotinjections.com/index3.htm Go to www.allthingsmale.com and read TRT: A Recipe for success in this are labs you needed and how to do TRT shots should not be done every 2 to 3 weeks this dose not work and is old. If you do shots every weeks or 2x's a week is best. I use a small 27g 1ml x 1/2 " lg. needle not pain with this been doing it this way for yrs. Co-Moderator Phil > From: <lewis_harding27@...> > Subject: Re: Questions for a beginner > > Date: Sunday, May 9, 2010, 6:43 PM > I'm more of a lacto-ovo vegetarian > than a vegan. I eat eggs and cheese. I was going > to say that I don't eat much soy, but then I realized that I > drink soy milk every now and then (instead of regular > milk.) I really just eat like a normal person, but > without the meat. > > Also, what do you guys think about these shots? I'm > planning on seeing the doctor tomorrow, but I'm set on at > least giving something a try. I saw that Androgel is > sold online. You guys have any recommended > dealers? Is there anyway to give yourself the shots to > save money? > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > Yes it can and it can make your T levels > low. I > > > don't feel you need to stop your way of eating > there are a > > > lot of men that eat this way and are fine just > stop SOY if > > > your eating a lot of it. > > > > > > > > > Phil,.......a lot of it depends upon whether he > is a > > > 'vegetarian', or a true 'vegan' per se. > > > > > > A vegan will not drink cows milk, eat eggs, nor > will they > > > even take a fish oil capsule. ANYTHING that is > made from an > > > animal is out for them. Including protein powders > made from > > > whey, or egg. > > > What does that leave,.......SOY! > > > Most get their protein from soy BTW. Terrible for > men as > > > you know. > > > > > > A friend of mine dated a vegan many years ago. > She was the > > > sickliest looking individual I had ever seen, and > was > > > constantly spouting her vegan views to the rest > of us. Most > > > vegans are also PETA members as well. > > > > > > As I said before,.....it's a free country for the > time > > > being. His choice about his own life for sure. If > he is a > > > vegan though, his lifestyle is a killer, > especially for a > > > male. Virtually nothing they eat has any fat in > it. > > > > > > Vegans think they are going to change what > happens to > > > animals somehow by participating in that > lifestyle. If it > > > makes them feel better,.......have at it, but > nothing is > > > going to change in terms of what they want to > happen. > > > > > > Now if he is a 'vegetarian' due to very bad > genes > > > concerning his heart and lipids,.....many people > try this > > > approach out of fear, and I can understand that. > Most > > > vegetarians will eat salmon though, as they know > it is good > > > for their heart and lipid profile. They will also > drink skim > > > milk for the protein, vitamin D, and calcium. > > > > > > The 'no meat' statement says vegan, and PETA to > me, and he > > > is eating a lot of soy if that is the case. > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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