Re: Re: HCG and DHEA along with my HRT??

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your response. I am Secondary due to a lesion/ small tumor

on my pituitary gland. The aging canter is recommending Bio Identical

Testosterone (Enanthate). cortisol levels are at 17 based on a blood test.

I am doing the Salvia test now for a more accurate cortisol reading.

SHBG is a 9 which is considered LOW. It should be between 18 - 47.

I work out a lot and cant get rid of the belly fat. I am 51 in good

physical cond. weights and cardio 4 times weekly.

In a message dated 2/28/2010 9:10:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

kevinh@... writes:

LH and FSH are driven low from the feedback of your increasing testosterone

levels by the external application of Androgel. At this point there isn't

much value in measuring LH and FSH.

hCG will provide a signal to your testis to produce testosterone and other

hormones in a fashion similar to LH. The leydig cells in your testis will

be stimulated by hCG; your testis will then remain active and should not

atrophy. The addition of hCG should also increase your testosterone levels if

you are not primary, that is your testicles don't work. You may then need

only 5 gms of Androgel.... but be sure you follow through with determining

bio-available T.... many suggest calculating this using your SHBG level or

use the Quest BioT assay.

DHEA should be added if the lab results warrant. You can also trial DHEA

but watch for issues. DHEA can cause decreases in cortisol so if you already

have a decreased cortisol level you may be asking for a problem. From what

I understand, both DHEA and cortisol are triggered by ACTH/pituitary; so

if DHEA is seen as high enough then cortisol will not be triggered. The

bottom line is that once you start to adjust hormones you need to consider the

results and feedback. If you do add DHEA, you should split the dose AM/PM.

The anti-aging center seems to be on track with their additional lab tests

but, if it were me, I would not put my full faith in them yet. It is best

to be functionally educated, ask questions, and keep reading. I would stick

with Androgel unless proven to be ineffective or driving DHT too high. If

cost is the issue then T-Cyp has the advantage.

--- In _ @hypogonadismhyp_

(mailto: ) , gviceman77@., gvi

>

> What do the members on this forum think about HCG and DHEA along with my

> HRT??

>

>

> Been on Androgel for three months. 51 in good shape weights and cardio.

>

> test was 230 now about 600.

>

> I went to an aging center and they want me to start HCG shots due to my

LH

> and FSH being below 1.0

>

> They want me to start taking Test. shots instead of the gel.

>

> They also want me to take DHEA.

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you again. You have a lot of good info. I do exercise and I am on

synthroid .1M and Antara 130 mg. I do not eat white breads, sugar, rice.

I eat whole wheat, brown rice, and sweet potatoes. Complex carbs. no

caffeine any more, no sodas, just H2o and green (decafe) tea.

" A low SHBG indicates that a greater level of T is not bound - more

bioavailable - good news. " what do you mean???

What is the DHEA supposed to do (burn fat) I hope. It can cause problems

for those of us with BPH although that is not confirmed.

I have been thinking about the convenience of the shots over the gel. I

plan my whole day around applying the gel. I have to go to the gym early so

i can shower and then apply the gel. I cant hug my wife without covering

my arms, etc.

In a message dated 2/28/2010 10:46:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

kevinh@... writes:

Androgel IS BioIdentical Testosterone. Some doctors prefer gels; since

they are applied daily they deliver T in a daily pulsatile pattern more

closely mimicking what your body would do.

A low SHBG indicates that a greater level of T is not bound - more

bioavailable - good news. I would resist changing to injections. Work with your

new doctor using Androgel and move on with the other items, IMHO. Add the hCG

as they suggest, etc.

Belly fat @ 51! Not surprising Ha1c test is good idea... also look at

glucose and insulin. How's your diet - no simple carbs/low carb profile? ---

first step. Even though you are exercising I would still consider insulin

resistance and/or metabolic syndrome.

What I have learned since starting on my quest is that as we age, several

hormone systems may not be optimum or even very out of whack. Getting them

all optimized is the best plan. So if you thought that you would be fixed

up with a little T, no such luck for many of us over 50 males ... but

there is hope.

I started only thinking about the symptoms of my declining T. Then I was

introduced to hCG, then AI. After that discovered hypothyroidism caused by

Hashimoto's thyroiditis. Now on synthroid. It is pretty clear that my

cortisol level is low too... but can only get my doc to move so fast.... we are

working on it! At some point I will need to address my declining GH level

too. No, I am not overwhelmed since I am feeling a great deal better then

when I started but realize now I am in it for the long haul... that's my story.

--- In _ @hypogonadismhyp_

(mailto: ) , gviceman77@., gvi

>

> Thank you for your response. I am Secondary due to a lesion/ small tumor

> on my pituitary gland. The aging canter is recommending Bio Identical

> Testosterone (Enanthate). cortisol levels are at 17 based on a blood

test.

> I am doing the Salvia test now for a more accurate cortisol reading.

>

> SHBG is a 9 which is considered LOW. It should be between 18 - 47.

>

>

> I work out a lot and cant get rid of the belly fat. I am 51 in good

> physical cond. weights and cardio 4 times weekly.

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 2/28/2010 9:10:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> kevinh@... writes:

>

>

>

>

> LH and FSH are driven low from the feedback of your increasing

testosterone

> levels by the external application of Androgel. At this point there

isn't

> much value in measuring LH and FSH.

>

> hCG will provide a signal to your testis to produce testosterone and

other

> hormones in a fashion similar to LH. The leydig cells in your testis

will

> be stimulated by hCG; your testis will then remain active and should not

> atrophy. The addition of hCG should also increase your testosterone

levels if

> you are not primary, that is your testicles don't work. You may then

need

> only 5 gms of Androgel.... but be sure you follow through with

determining

> bio-available T.... many suggest calculating this using your SHBG level

or

> use the Quest BioT assay.

>

> DHEA should be added if the lab results warrant. You can also trial DHEA

> but watch for issues. DHEA can cause decreases in cortisol so if you

already

> have a decreased cortisol level you may be asking for a problem. From

what

> I understand, both DHEA and cortisol are triggered by ACTH/pituitary; so

> if DHEA is seen as high enough then cortisol will not be triggered. The

> bottom line is that once you start to adjust hormones you need to

consider the

> results and feedback. If you do add DHEA, you should split the dose

AM/PM.

>

> The anti-aging center seems to be on track with their additional lab

tests

> but, if it were me, I would not put my full faith in them yet. It is

best

> to be functionally educated, ask questions, and keep reading. I would

stick

> with Androgel unless proven to be ineffective or driving DHT too high.

If

> cost is the issue then T-Cyp has the advantage.

>

> --- In _ @ --- In _hypogonadism

> (mailto:_ @hypogonadismhyp_

(mailto: ) ) , gviceman77@, gvi

> >

> > What do the members on this forum think about HCG and DHEA along with

my

> > HRT??

> >

> >

> > Been on Androgel for three months. 51 in good shape weights and cardio.

> >

> > test was 230 now about 600.

> >

> > I went to an aging center and they want me to start HCG shots due to

my

> LH

> > and FSH being below 1.0

> >

> > They want me to start taking Test. shots instead of the gel.

> >

> > They also want me to take DHEA.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi

Whole wheat, brown rice and sweet potatoes are not that good for you either.

They are all full of starch so don't go overboard on them. You should look into

trying to swap over from synthroid (syncrap) to desiccated thyroid (natural

thyroid). 

Here is a list of symptoms you can have taking synthroid.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/long-and-pathetic/

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/t4-only-meds-dont-work/

 

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/

Also with taking thyroid medication you should have a ferritin level 70-90. If

not then the medication will not work.

 

Sky

 

 

 

 

________________________________

From: " gviceman77@... " <gviceman77@...>

Sent: Mon, 1 March, 2010 2:33:05 PM

Subject: Re: Re: HCG and DHEA along with my HRT??

Thank you again. You have a lot of good info. I do exercise and I am on

synthroid .1M and Antara 130 mg. I do not eat white breads, sugar, rice.

I eat whole wheat, brown rice, and sweet potatoes. Complex carbs. no

caffeine any more, no sodas, just H2o and green (decafe) tea.

" A low SHBG indicates that a greater level of T is not bound - more

bioavailable - good news. " what do you mean???

What is the DHEA supposed to do (burn fat) I hope. It can cause problems

for those of us with BPH although that is not confirmed.

I have been thinking about the convenience of the shots over the gel. I

plan my whole day around applying the gel. I have to go to the gym early so

i can shower and then apply the gel. I cant hug my wife without covering

my arms, etc.

Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.

[Guest guest]

Gviceman be careful working out until you know how your Cortisol levels look

from your Saliva 4x's in a day test looks. If you workout and don't recover

fast of feel weak and shaky even sick to your stomach your have used up to much

of your Cortisol and you can end with Adrenal Crisis. This happened to me 2X's

in the last 3 yrs I over did it working out side in the yard and ended up in the

ER I have a card on me that says I suffer from Adrenal Insufficiency they gave

me a big shot of C and sent me home. Bottom line here is if you over do it and

don't recover fast your making your Adrenals worse. Also it's a good Idea to

add some good Pink Sea Salt to a glass of water about a 1/2 tsp full in the

morning try this see if you feel better doing this people with bad Adrenals dump

there sodium.

So I would go easy until you labs come in.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: gviceman77@... <gviceman77@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: HCG and DHEA along with my HRT??

>

> Date: Sunday, February 28, 2010, 9:34 PM

> Thank you for your response.  I

> am Secondary due to a lesion/ small  tumor

> on my pituitary gland.  The aging canter is

> recommending Bio  Identical

> Testosterone  (Enanthate).  cortisol levels are

> at 17  based on a blood test.   

> I am doing the Salvia test now for a more  accurate

> cortisol reading.

>

> SHBG is a 9 which is considered LOW.  It should be

> between 18 -  47.

>

>

> I work out a lot and cant get rid of the belly fat. 

> I am 51 in  good

> physical cond. weights and cardio 4 times weekly.

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 2/28/2010 9:10:11 P.M. Eastern Standard

> Time, 

> kevinh@...

> writes:

>

>

>

>

> LH and FSH are driven low from the feedback of your

> increasing testosterone

> levels by the external application of Androgel. At this

> point there isn't

> much  value in measuring LH and FSH.

>

> hCG will provide a signal to your testis  to produce

> testosterone and other

> hormones in a fashion similar to LH. The  leydig cells

> in your testis will

> be stimulated by hCG; your testis will then  remain

> active and should not

> atrophy. The addition of hCG should also increase 

> your testosterone levels if

> you are not primary, that is your testicles don't 

> work. You may then need

> only 5 gms of Androgel.... but be sure you follow 

> through with determining

> bio-available T.... many suggest calculating this 

> using your SHBG level or

> use the Quest BioT assay.

>

> DHEA should be added  if the lab results warrant. You

> can also trial DHEA

> but watch for issues. DHEA  can cause decreases in

> cortisol so if you already

> have a decreased cortisol  level you may be asking for

> a problem. From what

> I understand, both DHEA and  cortisol are triggered by

> ACTH/pituitary; so

> if DHEA is seen as high enough  then cortisol will not

> be triggered. The

> bottom line is that once you start to  adjust hormones

> you need to consider the

> results and feedback. If you do add  DHEA, you should

> split the dose AM/PM.

>

> The anti-aging center seems to  be on track with their

> additional lab tests

> but, if it were me, I would not  put my full faith in

> them yet. It is best

> to be functionally educated, ask  questions, and keep

> reading. I would stick

> with Androgel unless proven to be  ineffective or

> driving DHT too high. If

> cost is the issue then T-Cyp has the  advantage.

>

> --- In _ @hypogonadismhyp_

> (mailto: )

> ,  gviceman77@.,  gvi

> >

> > What do the members on this forum  think about

> HCG and DHEA along with my

> > HRT??

> >

> > 

> > Been on Androgel for three months. 51 in good shape

> weights and  cardio.

> >

> > test was 230 now about 600.

> >

> > I went  to an aging center and they want me to

> start HCG shots due to my

> LH

> >  and FSH being below 1.0

> >

> > They want me to start taking Test.  shots instead

> of the gel.

> >

> > They also want me to take  DHEA.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this  message have been

> removed]

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Keven your story is much like mine but back in the day it was very hard to

figure out I am Secondary took 23 yrs. You can read my story here if you have

not seen it.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=5 & t=9239

I am now treating every thing the Pituitary dose started on Growth Hormone last

Dec. and now my Thyroid it working better and my Armour meds are to strong. for

the last 8 weeks I have been going hyper.

I am not at the point I can't take any Armour I have a call in to my Dr. I can't

take 30 mgs with out going hyper. My Dr. told me this might happen going on HGH

but I never thought I would need to stop treating it.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: <kevinh@...>

> Subject: Re: HCG and DHEA along with my HRT??

>

> Date: Sunday, February 28, 2010, 10:45 PM

>

> Androgel IS BioIdentical Testosterone.  Some doctors

> prefer gels; since they are applied daily they deliver T in

> a daily pulsatile pattern more closely mimicking what your

> body would do.

>

> A low SHBG indicates that a greater level of T is not bound

> - more bioavailable -  good news.  I would resist

> changing to injections.  Work with your new doctor

> using Androgel and move on with the other items, IMHO. 

> Add the hCG as they suggest, etc.

>

> Belly fat @ 51!  Not surprising Ha1c test is good

> idea... also look at glucose and insulin.  How's your

> diet - no simple carbs/low carb profile? --- first step.

> Even though you are exercising I would still consider

> insulin resistance and/or metabolic syndrome.

>

> What I have learned since starting on my quest is that as

> we age, several hormone systems may not be optimum or even

> very out of whack.  Getting them all optimized is the

> best plan.  So if you thought that you would be fixed

> up with a little T, no such luck for many of us over 50

> males ... but there is hope.

>

> I started only thinking about the symptoms of my declining

> T.  Then I was introduced to hCG, then AI.  After

> that discovered hypothyroidism caused by Hashimoto's

> thyroiditis.  Now on synthroid.  It is pretty

> clear that my cortisol level is low too... but can only get

> my doc to move so fast.... we are working on it!  At

> some point I will need to address my declining GH level

> too.  No, I am not overwhelmed since I am feeling a

> great deal better then when I started but realize now I am

> in it for the long haul... that's my story.

>

>

>

> >

> > Thank you for your response.  I am Secondary due

> to a lesion/ small  tumor

> > on my pituitary gland.  The aging canter is

> recommending Bio  Identical

> > Testosterone  (Enanthate).  cortisol levels

> are at 17  based on a blood test.   

> > I am doing the Salvia test now for a more 

> accurate cortisol reading.

> > 

> > SHBG is a 9 which is considered LOW.  It should

> be between 18 -  47.

> > 

> > 

> >  I work out a lot and cant get rid of the belly

> fat.  I am 51 in  good

> > physical cond. weights and cardio 4 times weekly.

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > In a message dated 2/28/2010 9:10:11 P.M. Eastern

> Standard Time, 

> > kevinh@... writes:

> >

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > LH and FSH are driven low from the feedback of your

> increasing testosterone

> >  levels by the external application of Androgel.

> At this point there isn't

> > much  value in measuring LH and FSH.

> >

> > hCG will provide a signal to your testis  to

> produce testosterone and other

> > hormones in a fashion similar to LH. The  leydig

> cells in your testis will

> > be stimulated by hCG; your testis will then 

> remain active and should not

> > atrophy. The addition of hCG should also

> increase  your testosterone levels if

> > you are not primary, that is your testicles

> don't  work. You may then need

> > only 5 gms of Androgel.... but be sure you

> follow  through with determining

> > bio-available T.... many suggest calculating

> this  using your SHBG level or

> > use the Quest BioT assay.

> >

> > DHEA should be added  if the lab results warrant.

> You can also trial DHEA

> > but watch for issues. DHEA  can cause decreases

> in cortisol so if you already

> > have a decreased cortisol  level you may be

> asking for a problem. From what

> > I understand, both DHEA and  cortisol are

> triggered by ACTH/pituitary; so

> > if DHEA is seen as high enough  then cortisol

> will not be triggered. The

> > bottom line is that once you start to  adjust

> hormones you need to consider the

> > results and feedback. If you do add  DHEA, you

> should split the dose AM/PM.

> >

> > The anti-aging center seems to  be on track with

> their additional lab tests

> > but, if it were me, I would not  put my full

> faith in them yet. It is best

> > to be functionally educated, ask  questions, and

> keep reading. I would stick

> > with Androgel unless proven to be  ineffective or

> driving DHT too high. If

> > cost is the issue then T-Cyp has the  advantage.

> >

> > --- In _ @hypogonadismhyp_

> > (mailto: )

> ,  gviceman77@,  gvi

> > >

> > > What do the members on this forum  think

> about HCG and DHEA along with my

> > > HRT??

> > >

> > > 

> > > Been on Androgel for three months. 51 in good

> shape weights and  cardio.

> > >

> > > test was 230 now about 600.

> > >

> > > I went  to an aging center and they want me

> to start HCG shots due to my

> > LH

> > >  and FSH being below 1.0

> > >

> > > They want me to start taking Test.  shots

> instead of the gel.

> > >

> > > They also want me to take  DHEA.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this  message have

> been removed]

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

A very low SHBG can be do to a sugar problem here is a cut and paste by Dr.

nco about this something to think about.

http://www.definitivemind.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86 & highlight=SHBG

====================================================

AM #3

Drno

Physician, Psychiatrist

Join Date: Mar 2009

Location: Carmel, California

Posts: 448 Re: Lowering SHBG

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I respect what Phil is doing for himself.

However, I generally want to maintain SHBG (sex-hormone binding globulin) since

it prolongs the duration of action of testosterone. Most of the time, I find

SHBG too low rather than too high.

Testosterone, itself, will drive SHBG down.

Estrogen will increase SHBG. Thus controlling estradiol will lower SHBG.

Insulin also will drive SHBG down. Insulin has the strongest effect on SHBG,

compared to any other factor.

Low SHBG is a good sign that a person has insulin resistance or diabetes - with

lowers testosterone production. Insulin resistance or diabetes greatly increases

the risk for cardiovascular disease.

__________________

-

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Any information provided on www.definitivemind.com is for informational purposes

only, is not medical advice, does not create a doctor/patient relationship or

liability, is not exhaustive, does not cover all conditions or their treatment,

and will change as knowledge progresses. Always seek the advice of your

physician or other qualified health provider before undertaking any diet,

exercise, supplement, medical, or other health program.

====================================================

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Physician, Psychiatrist

Join Date: Mar 2009

Location: Carmel, California

Posts: 448 Re: Lowering SHBG

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackJack

Dr. M from your experience where do you usually like to see SHBG ?

The amount of SHBG that does not indicate pre-diabetes or diabetes (i.e. a low

level).

Realize that SHBG is determined by multiple hormones: Estrogen, Progesterone,

Thyroid hormone, Testosterone, DHEA, Growth Hormone, Insulin, etc.

Thus, whatever SHBG one has - outside of a low level, for which problems with

insulin need to be assess, does not tell if something is wrong since the effects

of these hormones may cancel each other out.

Thus, a specific SHBG, outside of diabetes, does not tell much about what is

happening with a person.

I generally do not like driving SHBG too low since testosterone and estrogen

won't last long in the body.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: gviceman77@... <gviceman77@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: HCG and DHEA along with my HRT??

>

> Date: Sunday, February 28, 2010, 11:33 PM

> Thank you again.  You have a lot

> of good info.  I do exercise and  I am on

> synthroid .1M and Antara 130 mg.  I do not eat white

> breads, sugar,  rice. 

> I eat whole wheat, brown rice, and sweet potatoes.

> Complex  carbs.  no

> caffeine any more, no sodas, just H2o and green

> (decafe)  tea.

>

> " A low SHBG indicates that a greater level of T is not

> bound -  more

> bioavailable - good news. "   what do you mean???

>

> What is the DHEA supposed to do (burn fat) I hope. 

> It  can cause problems

> for those of us with BPH although that is not 

> confirmed.

>

> I have been thinking about the convenience of the shots

> over the gel.   I

> plan my whole day around applying the gel.  I have to

> go to the gym early  so

> i can shower and then apply the gel.  I cant hug my

> wife without  covering

> my arms, etc.

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 2/28/2010 10:46:05 P.M. Eastern Standard

> Time, 

> kevinh@...

> writes:

>

>

>

>

>

> Androgel IS BioIdentical Testosterone. Some doctors prefer

> gels; since 

> they are applied daily they deliver T in a daily pulsatile

> pattern more 

> closely mimicking what your body would do.

>

> A low SHBG indicates that a  greater level of T is not

> bound - more

> bioavailable - good news. I would  resist changing to

> injections. Work with your

> new doctor using Androgel and  move on with the other

> items, IMHO. Add the hCG

> as they suggest,  etc.

>

> Belly fat @ 51! Not surprising Ha1c test is good idea...

> also  look at

> glucose and insulin. How's your diet - no simple carbs/low

> carb  profile? ---

> first step. Even though you are exercising I would still

> consider  insulin

> resistance and/or metabolic syndrome.

>

> What I have learned since  starting on my quest is

> that as we age, several

> hormone systems may not be  optimum or even very out

> of whack. Getting them

> all optimized is the best  plan. So if you thought

> that you would be fixed

> up with a little T, no such  luck for many of us over

> 50 males ... but

> there is hope.

>

> I started  only thinking about the symptoms of my

> declining T. Then I was

> introduced to  hCG, then AI. After that discovered

> hypothyroidism caused by

> Hashimoto's  thyroiditis. Now on synthroid. It is

> pretty clear that my

> cortisol level is  low too... but can only get my doc

> to move so fast.... we are

> working on it!  At some point I will need to address

> my declining GH level

> too. No, I am not  overwhelmed since I am feeling a

> great deal better then

> when I started but  realize now I am in it for the

> long haul... that's my story.

>

> --- In _ @hypogonadismhyp_

> (mailto: )

> ,  gviceman77@.,  gvi

> >

> > Thank you for your response. I am  Secondary due

> to a lesion/ small tumor

> > on my pituitary gland. The  aging canter is

> recommending Bio Identical

> > Testosterone (Enanthate).  cortisol levels are at

> 17 based on a blood

> test.

> > I am doing the  Salvia test now for a more

> accurate cortisol reading.

> >

> > SHBG  is a 9 which is considered LOW. It should

> be between 18 - 47.

> >

> > 

> > I work out a lot and cant get rid of the belly fat. I

> am 51 in good 

> > physical cond. weights and cardio 4 times weekly.

> >

> > 

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 2/28/2010 9:10:11 P.M.

> Eastern  Standard Time,

> > kevinh@... writes:

> >

> >

> >

> > 

> > LH and FSH are driven low from the feedback of your

> increasing 

> testosterone

> > levels by the external application of Androgel. At

> this  point there

> isn't

> > much value in measuring LH and FSH.

> > 

> > hCG will provide a signal to your testis to produce

> testosterone and 

> other

> > hormones in a fashion similar to LH. The leydig cells

> in your  testis

> will

> > be stimulated by hCG; your testis will then remain

> active  and should not

> > atrophy. The addition of hCG should also increase

> your  testosterone

> levels if

> > you are not primary, that is your testicles 

> don't work. You may then

> need

> > only 5 gms of Androgel.... but be sure  you

> follow through with

> determining

> > bio-available T.... many suggest  calculating

> this using your SHBG level

> or

> > use the Quest BioT  assay.

> >

> > DHEA should be added if the lab results warrant.

> You  can also trial DHEA

> > but watch for issues. DHEA can cause decreases

> in  cortisol so if you

> already

> > have a decreased cortisol level you may be 

> asking for a problem. From

> what

> > I understand, both DHEA and cortisol  are

> triggered by ACTH/pituitary; so

> > if DHEA is seen as high enough  then cortisol

> will not be triggered. The

> > bottom line is that once you  start to adjust

> hormones you need to

> consider the

> > results and  feedback. If you do add DHEA, you

> should split the dose

> AM/PM.

> > 

> > The anti-aging center seems to be on track with their

> additional lab 

> tests

> > but, if it were me, I would not put my full faith in

> them yet.  It is

> best

> > to be functionally educated, ask questions, and

> keep  reading. I would

> stick

> > with Androgel unless proven to be ineffective  or

> driving DHT too high.

> If

> > cost is the issue then T-Cyp has the  advantage.

> >

> > --- In _ @ --- In _hypogonadism

> > (mailto:_ @hypogonadismhyp_

> (mailto: )

> )  , gviceman77@, gvi

> > >

> > > What do the members on this forum  think

> about HCG and DHEA along with

> my

> > > HRT??

> > > 

> > >

> > > Been on Androgel for three months. 51 in

> good  shape weights and cardio.

> > >

> > > test was 230 now about  600.

> > >

> > > I went to an aging center and they want me

> to  start HCG shots due to

> my

> > LH

> > > and FSH being below  1.0

> > >

> > > They want me to start taking Test. shots 

> instead of the gel.

> > >

> > > They also want me to take  DHEA.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >  [Non-text portions of this message have

> been removed]

> > >

> > 

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this  message have been

> removed]

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sky is right I have lost count as to how many people posted to me that were on

Synthroid and switched to Armour and felt so dam much better.

I was a mod at STTM's when the forums were open they closed them because the

mods working there we suffering from burnout. The forum was so over worked from

people posting there we could not keep up.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: SKY JONES <subhadradasi2000@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: HCG and DHEA along with my HRT??

>

> Date: Monday, March 1, 2010, 12:13 AM

> Hi

>

> Whole wheat, brown rice and sweet potatoes are not that

> good for you either. They are all full of starch so don't go

> overboard on them. You should look into trying to swap

> over from synthroid (syncrap) to desiccated thyroid (natural

> thyroid). 

> Here is a list of symptoms you can have taking synthroid.

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/long-and-pathetic/

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/t4-only-meds-dont-work/

>

>  

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/

> Also with taking thyroid medication you should have a

> ferritin level 70-90. If not then the medication will not

> work.

>  

> Sky

>  

>  

>  

>  

>

> ________________________________

>

> From: " gviceman77@... "

> <gviceman77@...>

>

> Sent: Mon, 1 March, 2010 2:33:05 PM

> Subject: Re: Re: HCG and DHEA along with my

> HRT??

>

> Thank you again. You have a lot of good info. I do exercise

> and I am on

> synthroid .1M and Antara 130 mg. I do not eat white breads,

> sugar, rice.

> I eat whole wheat, brown rice, and sweet potatoes. Complex

> carbs. no

> caffeine any more, no sodas, just H2o and green (decafe)

> tea.

>

> " A low SHBG indicates that a greater level of T is not

> bound - more

> bioavailable - good news. " what do you mean???

>

> What is the DHEA supposed to do (burn fat) I hope. It can

> cause problems

> for those of us with BPH although that is not confirmed.

>

> I have been thinking about the convenience of the shots

> over the gel. I

> plan my whole day around applying the gel. I have to go to

> the gym early so

> i can shower and then apply the gel. I cant hug my wife

> without covering

> my arms, etc.

>

> Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you sir:

I actually feel fine and I do push my work outs I get my heart rate up to the

130 to 150 range doing my intense cardio. my cortisol came back via the blood

test at 17 that was a 6:30 AM blood draw. I just did the Slavia rest 4 xs daily

yesterday and i am waitibng for the results. So, do you think that it is proper

for the Dr. at the age management center to start me on shots and HCG? They

want to wait for the Slavia results b4 starting the DHEA.

What r your thoughts on this ? Do they sound like they have thier act

together?????

Re: Re: HCG and DHEA along with my HRT??

>

> Date: Sunday, February 28, 2010, 9:34 PM

> Thank you for your response. I

> am Secondary due to a lesion/ small tumor

> on my pituitary gland. The aging canter is

> recommending Bio Identical

> Testosterone (Enanthate). cortisol levels are

> at 17 based on a blood test.

> I am doing the Salvia test now for a more accurate

> cortisol reading.

>

> SHBG is a 9 which is considered LOW. It should be

> between 18 - 47.

>

>

> I work out a lot and cant get rid of the belly fat.

> I am 51 in good

> physical cond. weights and cardio 4 times weekly.

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 2/28/2010 9:10:11 P.M. Eastern Standard

> Time,

> kevinh@...

> writes:

>

>

>

>

> LH and FSH are driven low from the feedback of your

> increasing testosterone

> levels by the external application of Androgel. At this

> point there isn't

> much value in measuring LH and FSH.

>

> hCG will provide a signal to your testis to produce

> testosterone and other

> hormones in a fashion similar to LH. The leydig cells

> in your testis will

> be stimulated by hCG; your testis will then remain

> active and should not

> atrophy. The addition of hCG should also increase

> your testosterone levels if

> you are not primary, that is your testicles don't

> work. You may then need

> only 5 gms of Androgel.... but be sure you follow

> through with determining

> bio-available T.... many suggest calculating this

> using your SHBG level or

> use the Quest BioT assay.

>

> DHEA should be added if the lab results warrant. You

> can also trial DHEA

> but watch for issues. DHEA can cause decreases in

> cortisol so if you already

> have a decreased cortisol level you may be asking for

> a problem. From what

> I understand, both DHEA and cortisol are triggered by

> ACTH/pituitary; so

> if DHEA is seen as high enough then cortisol will not

> be triggered. The

> bottom line is that once you start to adjust hormones

> you need to consider the

> results and feedback. If you do add DHEA, you should

> split the dose AM/PM.

>

> The anti-aging center seems to be on track with their

> additional lab tests

> but, if it were me, I would not put my full faith in

> them yet. It is best

> to be functionally educated, ask questions, and keep

> reading. I would stick

> with Androgel unless proven to be ineffective or

> driving DHT too high. If

> cost is the issue then T-Cyp has the advantage.

>

> --- In _ @hypogonadismhyp_

> (mailto: )

> , gviceman77@., gvi

> >

> > What do the members on this forum think about

> HCG and DHEA along with my

> > HRT??

> >

> >

> > Been on Androgel for three months. 51 in good shape

> weights and cardio.

> >

> > test was 230 now about 600.

> >

> > I went to an aging center and they want me to

> start HCG shots due to my

> LH

> > and FSH being below 1.0

> >

> > They want me to start taking Test. shots instead

> of the gel.

> >

> > They also want me to take DHEA.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes I feel your in good hands with them still you need to learn about this

problem as best you can we have a links section and Files section at the home

page full of info every some of the best of Dr. nco's posts he did at MESO

when he was there asking questions for his new book about hormones and mental

health problems read them they are full of info in everyday language.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: gviceman77@...

> <gviceman77@...>

> > Subject: Re: Re: HCG and DHEA along

> with my HRT??

> >

> > Date: Sunday, February 28, 2010, 9:34 PM

> > Thank you for your response.  I

> > am Secondary due to a lesion/ small  tumor

> > on my pituitary gland.  The aging canter is

> > recommending Bio  Identical

> > Testosterone  (Enanthate).  cortisol levels

> are

> > at 17  based on a blood test.   

> > I am doing the Salvia test now for a more 

> accurate

> > cortisol reading.

> >

> > SHBG is a 9 which is considered LOW.  It should

> be

> > between 18 -  47.

> >

> >

> > I work out a lot and cant get rid of the belly fat.

> > I am 51 in  good

> > physical cond. weights and cardio 4 times weekly.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 2/28/2010 9:10:11 P.M. Eastern

> Standard

> > Time, 

> > kevinh@...

> > writes:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > LH and FSH are driven low from the feedback of your

> > increasing testosterone

> > levels by the external application of Androgel. At

> this

> > point there isn't

> > much  value in measuring LH and FSH.

> >

> > hCG will provide a signal to your testis  to

> produce

> > testosterone and other

> > hormones in a fashion similar to LH. The  leydig

> cells

> > in your testis will

> > be stimulated by hCG; your testis will then 

> remain

> > active and should not

> > atrophy. The addition of hCG should also increase

> > your testosterone levels if

> > you are not primary, that is your testicles don't

> > work. You may then need

> > only 5 gms of Androgel.... but be sure you follow

> > through with determining

> > bio-available T.... many suggest calculating this

> > using your SHBG level or

> > use the Quest BioT assay.

> >

> > DHEA should be added  if the lab results warrant.

> You

> > can also trial DHEA

> > but watch for issues. DHEA  can cause decreases

> in

> > cortisol so if you already

> > have a decreased cortisol  level you may be

> asking for

> > a problem. From what

> > I understand, both DHEA and  cortisol are

> triggered by

> > ACTH/pituitary; so

> > if DHEA is seen as high enough  then cortisol

> will not

> > be triggered. The

> > bottom line is that once you start to  adjust

> hormones

> > you need to consider the

> > results and feedback. If you do add  DHEA, you

> should

> > split the dose AM/PM.

> >

> > The anti-aging center seems to  be on track with

> their

> > additional lab tests

> > but, if it were me, I would not  put my full

> faith in

> > them yet. It is best

> > to be functionally educated, ask  questions, and

> keep

> > reading. I would stick

> > with Androgel unless proven to be  ineffective

> or

> > driving DHT too high. If

> > cost is the issue then T-Cyp has the  advantage.

> >

> > --- In _ @hypogonadismhyp_

> > (mailto: )

> > ,  gviceman77@.,  gvi

> > >

> > > What do the members on this forum  think

> about

> > HCG and DHEA along with my

> > > HRT??

> > >

> > > 

> > > Been on Androgel for three months. 51 in good

> shape

> > weights and  cardio.

> > >

> > > test was 230 now about 600.

> > >

> > > I went  to an aging center and they want me

> to

> > start HCG shots due to my

> > LH

> > >  and FSH being below 1.0

> > >

> > > They want me to start taking Test.  shots

> instead

> > of the gel.

> > >

> > > They also want me to take  DHEA.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this  message have

> been

> > removed]

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >