Re: For Jeff- Testosterone access with little money

[Guest guest]

,

I had to stop Androgel because of the cost.  I inject because it's so much

cheaper.  I would like to get away from the needles and more than that, get the

consistency of daily application (fewer hills and valleys).  You mentioned your

compounded cream only cost $30/month which is easliy affordable.  My question

is; did you ever use Androgel and if so, how well does the cream work

when compared to Androgel?  Androgel seemed to work pretty well for me.

Bill

________________________________

From: Vergel <nelsonvergel@...>

Sent: Sun, August 22, 2010 8:44:12 AM

Subject: For Jeff- Testosterone access with little money

 

Jeff

There are two options I would try if I did not have insurance or cash:

1- Apply for Testim's patient assistance program to get Testim for free. Make

sure that you tell them that your household is of one person and that you do not

work. Here are details on the program. Before you apply, please tell your

doctor to write you prescription for 10 grams a day, since your prior history

shows that you will not respond to 5 grams a day anyway. Testim only gets

absorbed 23% better than Androgel (not double like your doctor may be thinking).

You will need to send the Testim patient assistance people your prescription (or

have your doc send it). You should not have to pay to see the doc again! A phone

call should be enough.

Program Name Auxilium Patient Assistance Program

Program Address 40 Valley Stream Parkway

Malvem, PA 19355

Phone Number 877-663-0412

Fax Number 866-837-7293

Medications on Program Testim 1% Gel 1% gel 50 mg (testosterone topical)

Application Forms Auxilium Patient Assistance Program:

www.needymeds.org/papforms/auxili0462.pdf

Online Application No on-line application available at this time

Eligibility Guidelines and Notes The patient must have no prescription coverage

for the requested medication and have an income at or below $23,660 per

individual, $29,140 for 2 people, $36,620 for 3 people, $44,100 for 4 people,

etc. The patient must have a diagnosis of hypogonadism. The patient must also

reside in the US . Patients must be male. Patients who were eligible for

Medicare Part D, but did not enroll may still be eligible for this program.

Patients who enrolled in Medicare Part D, but are in the Donut Hole are not

eligible. Applicants that do not qualify under the program’s set criteria may

still apply by completing the “Hardship Exception Request†section of the

application form.

Application Process Anyone requesting assistance can call to request a faxed

application or download it from the website. The application will be faxed

out. The completed application must be mailed back. The patient is notified of

eligibility for the program. The decision is made at meetings that occur

approximately every month. (Speak to the company for specifics.) The medication

is shipped within 4-6 weeks of receiving the application.

Application Requirements The doctor must fill out a section, sign the

application and attach a prescription for 6 months. The patient must fill out a

section, sign the application and attach a denial letter from Medicaid.

Program Details A six-month supply is sent to the doctor's office. The company

automatically sends out refills. Every six months a new application is needed

with a new prescription, once a year an application with documentation is

needed.

Option 2:

Get a prescription for a compounded testosterone gel (5 percent testosterone

works great for me). They usually cost $30 a month compared to the outrageous

cost of Testim and Androgel of close to $700 a month for 10 grams a day.

The prescription is written like this: Testosterone gel/cream 5 percent 30 mL in

Topi-Click, 1 mL a day. I find the Topi-Click container to be a very easy way to

administer the daily dose. You can also order the gel in a large graduated

plastic syringe if you want to precise on your dose). I use APSMEDS.com since

they have the cheapest price.

For blood work, some people with no insurance monitor themselves by using labs

that do not require a doctor's prescription:

http://www.privatemdlabs.com/index.php

You can see their tests and costs in that web site. Input your zip code and it

will tell you the labs in your area. You can then post the results on this list

and we can help you out, Estradiol and free/total testostosterone, and a

complete blood count with differential (CBC) is all you need to monitor yourself

after the first two weeks and then every three months.

I hope this helped.

Regards,

Vergel

http://www.amazon.com/-/e/B003E3RYKY

Regards,

Vergel

PoWeRUSA.org

[Guest guest]

Big Help there Thanks.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Vergel <nelsonvergel@...>

> Subject: For Jeff- Testosterone access with little money

>

> Date: Sunday, August 22, 2010, 11:44 AM

> Jeff

>

> There are two options I would try if I did not have

> insurance or cash:

>

> 1- Apply for Testim's patient assistance program to get

> Testim for free. Make

> sure that you tell them that your household is of one

> person and that you do not

> work.  Here are details on the program. Before you

> apply, please tell your

> doctor to write you  prescription for 10 grams a day,

> since your prior history

> shows that you will not respond to 5 grams a day anyway.

> Testim only gets

> absorbed 23% better than Androgel (not double like your

> doctor may be thinking).

> You will need to send the Testim patient assistance people

> your prescription (or

> have your doc send it). You should not have to pay to see

> the doc again! A phone

> call should be enough.

>

> Program Name Auxilium Patient Assistance Program

> Program Address 40 Valley Stream Parkway

> Malvem, PA 19355

> Phone Number 877-663-0412

> Fax Number 866-837-7293

> Medications on Program Testim 1% Gel 1% gel 50 mg

> (testosterone topical)

> Application Forms Auxilium Patient Assistance Program:

> www.needymeds.org/papforms/auxili0462.pdf

>  

> Online Application No on-line application available at this

> time

>    

> Eligibility Guidelines and Notes The patient must have no

> prescription coverage

> for the requested medication and have an income at or below

> $23,660 per

> individual, $29,140 for 2 people, $36,620 for 3 people,

> $44,100 for 4 people,

> etc. The patient must have a diagnosis of hypogonadism. The

> patient must also

> reside in the US . Patients must be male. Patients who were

> eligible for

> Medicare Part D, but did not enroll may still be eligible

> for this program.

> Patients who enrolled in Medicare Part D, but are in the

> Donut Hole are not

> eligible. Applicants that do not qualify under the

> program’s set criteria may

> still apply by completing the “Hardship Exception

> Request†section of the

> application form.

>

> Application Process Anyone requesting assistance can call

> to request a faxed

> application or download it from the website. The

> application will be faxed

> out. The completed application must be mailed back. 

> The patient is notified of

> eligibility for the program. The decision is made at

> meetings that occur

> approximately every month. (Speak to the company for

> specifics.) The medication

> is shipped within 4-6 weeks of receiving the application.

>

> Application Requirements The doctor must fill out a

> section, sign the

> application and attach a prescription for 6 months. The

> patient must fill out a

> section, sign the application and attach a denial letter

> from Medicaid.

>

> Program Details A six-month supply is sent to the doctor's

> office. The company

> automatically sends out refills. Every six months a new

> application is needed

> with a new prescription, once a year an application with

> documentation is

> needed. 

>

>

> Option 2:

>

> Get a prescription for a compounded testosterone gel (5

> percent testosterone

> works great for me). They usually cost $30 a month compared

> to the outrageous

> cost of Testim and Androgel of close to $700 a month for 10

> grams a day.

>

> The prescription is written like this: Testosterone

> gel/cream 5 percent 30 mL in

> Topi-Click, 1 mL a day. I find the Topi-Click container to

> be a very easy way to

> administer the daily dose. You can also order the gel in a

> large graduated

> plastic syringe if you want to precise on your dose). I use

> APSMEDS.com since

> they have the cheapest price.

> For blood work, some people with no insurance monitor

> themselves by using labs

> that do not require a doctor's prescription:

> http://www.privatemdlabs.com/index.php

>

> You can see their tests and costs in that web site. Input

> your zip code and it

> will tell you the labs in your area. You can then post the

> results on this list

> and we can help you out,  Estradiol and free/total

> testostosterone, and a

> complete blood count with differential (CBC) is all you

> need to monitor yourself

> after the first two weeks and then every three months.

>

> I hope this helped.

> Regards,

>

> Vergel

> http://www.amazon.com/-/e/B003E3RYKY

> Regards,

>

> Vergel

> PoWeRUSA.org

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I could not get my total testosterone above 500 nanograms/dl with 10 grams of

Androgel or Testim. But I liked Androgel better since you can get it in a pump

that enables you to control the dose up to whatever you want. And Testim's smell

was so unbearable to me (I hate cologne).

The compounded gel was great because I ordered 5% instead of the 1% testosterone

found in Androgel or Testim, so I need very little gel to spread on my abs and

shoulders. But I started having weak urine flow with gels. Gels can convert

into DHT and estradiol more than injections or pellets, specially in older men

who have higher fat content.

If I had to use a gel, I would use a compounded 5-10 % one. But many doctors are

so freaked out about prescribing compounded products, so most people are stuck

with Androgel or Testim.

I hope they approve Aveed soon so that we can inject every three months with

this testosterone undecanoate product that has been used for years in Mexico and

Europe. But one 1000 mg shot will cost more than $150 (that is what I paid in

Mexico, where meds are a lot cheaper than in the US). When I used it, my mood

and sexual function was so stable and it felt good not to have to inject so

frequently.

Regards,

Vergel

________________________________

From: Bill Totten <bill_totten@...>

Sent: Sun, August 22, 2010 12:53:54 PM

Subject: Re: For Jeff- Testosterone access with little money

,

I had to stop Androgel because of the cost. I inject because it's so much

cheaper. I would like to get away from the needles and more than that, get the

consistency of daily application (fewer hills and valleys). You mentioned your

compounded cream only cost $30/month which is easliy affordable. My question

is; did you ever use Androgel and if so, how well does the cream work

when compared to Androgel? Androgel seemed to work pretty well for me.

Bill

________________________________

From: Vergel <nelsonvergel@...>

Sent: Sun, August 22, 2010 8:44:12 AM

Subject: For Jeff- Testosterone access with little money

Jeff

There are two options I would try if I did not have insurance or cash:

1- Apply for Testim's patient assistance program to get Testim for free. Make

sure that you tell them that your household is of one person and that you do not

work. Here are details on the program. Before you apply, please tell your

doctor to write you prescription for 10 grams a day, since your prior history

shows that you will not respond to 5 grams a day anyway. Testim only gets

absorbed 23% better than Androgel (not double like your doctor may be thinking).

You will need to send the Testim patient assistance people your prescription (or

have your doc send it). You should not have to pay to see the doc again! A phone

call should be enough.

Program Name Auxilium Patient Assistance Program

Program Address 40 Valley Stream Parkway

Malvem, PA 19355

Phone Number 877-663-0412

Fax Number 866-837-7293

Medications on Program Testim 1% Gel 1% gel 50 mg (testosterone topical)

Application Forms Auxilium Patient Assistance Program:

www.needymeds.org/papforms/auxili0462.pdf

Online Application No on-line application available at this time

Eligibility Guidelines and Notes The patient must have no prescription coverage

for the requested medication and have an income at or below $23,660 per

individual, $29,140 for 2 people, $36,620 for 3 people, $44,100 for 4 people,

etc. The patient must have a diagnosis of hypogonadism. The patient must also

reside in the US . Patients must be male. Patients who were eligible for

Medicare Part D, but did not enroll may still be eligible for this program.

Patients who enrolled in Medicare Part D, but are in the Donut Hole are not

eligible. Applicants that do not qualify under the program’s set criteria may

still apply by completing the “Hardship Exception Request†section of the

application form.

Application Process Anyone requesting assistance can call to request a faxed

application or download it from the website. The application will be faxed

out. The completed application must be mailed back. The patient is notified of

eligibility for the program. The decision is made at meetings that occur

approximately every month. (Speak to the company for specifics.) The medication

is shipped within 4-6 weeks of receiving the application.

Application Requirements The doctor must fill out a section, sign the

application and attach a prescription for 6 months. The patient must fill out a

section, sign the application and attach a denial letter from Medicaid.

Program Details A six-month supply is sent to the doctor's office. The company

automatically sends out refills. Every six months a new application is needed

with a new prescription, once a year an application with documentation is

needed.

Option 2:

Get a prescription for a compounded testosterone gel (5 percent testosterone

works great for me). They usually cost $30 a month compared to the outrageous

cost of Testim and Androgel of close to $700 a month for 10 grams a day.

The prescription is written like this: Testosterone gel/cream 5 percent 30 mL in

Topi-Click, 1 mL a day. I find the Topi-Click container to be a very easy way to

administer the daily dose. You can also order the gel in a large graduated

plastic syringe if you want to precise on your dose). I use APSMEDS.com since

they have the cheapest price.

For blood work, some people with no insurance monitor themselves by using labs

that do not require a doctor's prescription:

http://www.privatemdlabs.com/index.php

You can see their tests and costs in that web site. Input your zip code and it

will tell you the labs in your area. You can then post the results on this list

and we can help you out, Estradiol and free/total testostosterone, and a

complete blood count with differential (CBC) is all you need to monitor yourself

after the first two weeks and then every three months.

I hope this helped.

Regards,

Vergel

http://www.amazon.com/-/e/B003E3RYKY

Regards,

Vergel

PoWeRUSA.org

[Guest guest]

when you first tried Nebido did it work and last your 3 months. Men I

talk to in the UK say it did not last and they needed to get in after 4 to 6

weeks and get more. They say it works but you need to build up to it's lasting

3 months.

When I was on Androgel and Testim I had the same problems I could not get my

levels over 500 and my Dr. was even giving me 200 mgs shot of Test C every 2

weeks on top of this. My DHT went up so high it was 3x's over the top of the

range. My prostate was going nuts and my joints and muscles were killing me.

For some men the gel going through the skin dose not support there joints and

muscles. When I switched to Test C shots my pain was gone. I had so much pain

I was house bound.

Today I do about 200 mgs of Test C a week but I do it every 3 days 80 mgs I find

this keeps me more leveled helps keep my blood thinner and holds down my

Estradiol levels.

I like the idea of pellets but can't find a Dr. that knows how to do them right.

All the Dr.'s in my town will only give you 700 mgs of pellets that your lucky

if they last you 4 weeks for the cost of about $1500 for the first office, labs,

pellets and putting them in. Then after 4 weeks I was back for more my levels

went low cost $500 more. Dr.'s here in the USA are ripping men off for pellets.

From taking to men here and at other forums men over 200 lbs need about 1500 mgs

of pellets to last 3 months.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Vergel <nelsonvergel@...>

> Subject: Re: For Jeff- Testosterone access with little money

>

> Date: Monday, August 23, 2010, 12:05 AM

>

>

> I could not get my total testosterone above 500

> nanograms/dl with 10 grams of

> Androgel or Testim. But  I liked Androgel better since

> you can get it in a pump

> that enables you to control the dose up to whatever you

> want. And Testim's smell

> was so unbearable to me (I hate cologne).

>

> The compounded gel was great because I ordered 5% instead

> of the 1% testosterone

> found in Androgel or Testim, so I need very little gel to

> spread on my abs and

> shoulders.  But  I started having weak urine flow

> with gels. Gels can convert

> into DHT and estradiol more than injections or pellets,

> specially in older men

> who have higher fat content.

>

> If I had to use a gel, I would use a compounded 5-10 % one.

> But many doctors are

> so freaked out about prescribing compounded products, so

> most people are stuck

> with Androgel or Testim.

>

> I hope they approve Aveed soon so that we can inject every

> three months with

> this testosterone undecanoate product that has been used

> for years in Mexico and

> Europe. But one 1000 mg  shot will cost more than $150

> (that is what I paid in

> Mexico, where meds are a lot cheaper than in the US). When

> I used it, my mood

> and sexual function was so stable and it felt good not to

> have to inject so

> frequently. 

> Regards,

>

> Vergel

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Bill Totten <bill_totten@...>

>

> Sent: Sun, August 22, 2010 12:53:54 PM

> Subject: Re: For Jeff- Testosterone access

> with little money

>

> ,

>

> I had to stop Androgel because of the cost.  I inject

> because it's so much

> cheaper.  I would like to get away from the needles

> and more than that, get the

> consistency of daily application (fewer hills and

> valleys).  You mentioned your

> compounded cream only cost $30/month which is easliy

> affordable.  My question

> is; did you ever use Androgel and if so, how well does the

> cream work

> when compared to Androgel?  Androgel seemed to work

> pretty well for me.

>

> Bill

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Vergel <nelsonvergel@...>

>

> Sent: Sun, August 22, 2010 8:44:12 AM

> Subject: For Jeff- Testosterone access with

> little money

>

>  

> Jeff

>

> There are two options I would try if I did not have

> insurance or cash:

>

> 1- Apply for Testim's patient assistance program to get

> Testim for free. Make

> sure that you tell them that your household is of one

> person and that you do not

>

>

> work. Here are details on the program. Before you apply,

> please tell your

> doctor to write you prescription for 10 grams a day, since

> your prior history

> shows that you will not respond to 5 grams a day anyway.

> Testim only gets

> absorbed 23% better than Androgel (not double like your

> doctor may be thinking).

>

>

> You will need to send the Testim patient assistance people

> your prescription (or

>

>

> have your doc send it). You should not have to pay to see

> the doc again! A phone

>

>

> call should be enough.

>

> Program Name Auxilium Patient Assistance Program

> Program Address 40 Valley Stream Parkway

> Malvem, PA 19355

> Phone Number 877-663-0412

> Fax Number 866-837-7293

> Medications on Program Testim 1% Gel 1% gel 50 mg

> (testosterone topical)

> Application Forms Auxilium Patient Assistance Program:

> www.needymeds.org/papforms/auxili0462.pdf

>

> Online Application No on-line application available at this

> time

>

> Eligibility Guidelines and Notes The patient must have no

> prescription coverage

> for the requested medication and have an income at or below

> $23,660 per

> individual, $29,140 for 2 people, $36,620 for 3 people,

> $44,100 for 4 people,

> etc. The patient must have a diagnosis of hypogonadism. The

> patient must also

> reside in the US . Patients must be male. Patients who were

> eligible for

> Medicare Part D, but did not enroll may still be eligible

> for this program.

> Patients who enrolled in Medicare Part D, but are in the

> Donut Hole are not

> eligible. Applicants that do not qualify under the

> program’s set criteria may

> still apply by completing the “Hardship Exception

> Request†section of the

> application form.

>

> Application Process Anyone requesting assistance can call

> to request a faxed

> application or download it from the website. The

> application will be faxed

> out. The completed application must be mailed back. The

> patient is notified of

> eligibility for the program. The decision is made at

> meetings that occur

> approximately every month. (Speak to the company for

> specifics.) The medication

> is shipped within 4-6 weeks of receiving the application.

>

> Application Requirements The doctor must fill out a

> section, sign the

> application and attach a prescription for 6 months. The

> patient must fill out a

> section, sign the application and attach a denial letter

> from Medicaid.

>

> Program Details A six-month supply is sent to the doctor's

> office. The company

> automatically sends out refills. Every six months a new

> application is needed

> with a new prescription, once a year an application with

> documentation is

> needed.

>

> Option 2:

>

> Get a prescription for a compounded testosterone gel (5

> percent testosterone

> works great for me). They usually cost $30 a month compared

> to the outrageous

> cost of Testim and Androgel of close to $700 a month for 10

> grams a day.

>

> The prescription is written like this: Testosterone

> gel/cream 5 percent 30 mL in

>

>

> Topi-Click, 1 mL a day. I find the Topi-Click container to

> be a very easy way to

>

>

> administer the daily dose. You can also order the gel in a

> large graduated

> plastic syringe if you want to precise on your dose). I use

> APSMEDS.com since

> they have the cheapest price.

> For blood work, some people with no insurance monitor

> themselves by using labs

> that do not require a doctor's prescription:

> http://www.privatemdlabs.com/index.php

>

> You can see their tests and costs in that web site. Input

> your zip code and it

> will tell you the labs in your area. You can then post the

> results on this list

> and we can help you out, Estradiol and free/total

> testostosterone, and a

> complete blood count with differential (CBC) is all you

> need to monitor yourself

>

>

> after the first two weeks and then every three months.

>

> I hope this helped.

> Regards,

>

> Vergel

> http://www.amazon.com/-/e/B003E3RYKY

> Regards,

>

> Vergel

> PoWeRUSA.org

>

>