Re: Has anyone tried this for low testosterone?

May 10, 2010

This is your Que " Over the Counter Sex Boosters! " to there getting you to buy

into this. As for a men that has done everything and been on TRT for over 28

yrs. If you can but something that says it will raise your T levels without a

script it is a waste of your money.

Just think about it a study comes out saying if you eat duck shi* it will in

prove your sex life. Next thing you know every health and Vit. supplement story

on or off the web is selling what the would call the best duck shi* out there.

Not long ago on Sixty Min.'s a TV show they checked a lot of Vit's, Herbs and

Supplements and found that there were trace amounts of what they were selling in

each pill. The rest was fillers and your being riped off.

Sure what they are saying might work but try to fine a good product for sale.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Matt <mattjon332@...>

> Subject: Has anyone tried this for low testosterone?

>

> Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 10:03 AM

> I was just looking around and found

> this:

>

> http://www.boost-your-low-testosterone.com/testosterone-booster.html

>

> The basic gist of the page is to use 7 different natural

> testosterone

> boosters (1 each day of the week) so that your body never

> adjusts to the

> herbs enough to make it stop working. They also

> suggest controlling

> estrogen to help boost testosterone, which you guys have

> noted that

> controlling estrogen may raise testosterone by 2-300 points

> by itself if

> I recall?

>

> Maybe this is just a hype ad for the products, but in the

> past before I

> knew I had a problem with testosterone I had tried some

> natural test

> boosters, and occasionally I felt like I did get a boost

> for a few days

> before it went away (I think at times the boost " felt "

> greater then

> using androgel), and I always wondered if cycling it would

> help. Maybe

> there is something to this?

>

> I think this obviously only works on us secondary types,

> but maybe this

> is an alternative to supplementing with test?

>

> -Matt

>

> ------------------------------------

>

May 10, 2010

Thanks Phil, I may give this a shot at some point in the near future but

I wasn't going to user their products I was going to shop around,

probably buy the same thing at vitacost.com.

I can't remember the products in the past that I had tried in which I

had felt an effect, but I believe they were mixtures of a lot of these

herbs (not prohormone or other steroids, unless it was not listed in

ingredients) and I think if the cycling really does work it may be a

viable option versus Androgel or shots. Being a mixture it may not just

be the testosterone boost but maybe something else with it. When I took

those products I had more of the " alpha male " feeling then when I am

taking Androgel, it wasn't anything crazy but I felt a lot more

confident and had a lot more drive/aggression but not in a bad way, I

just felt better about myself and life, and had greater energy and drive

to try harder to reach goals. I felt what I thought would be " normal "

for a healthy man. Using Androgel I feel better but I don't seem to

have that same drive increase although I know my testosterone is

numerically much higher (possibly double, have not had it checked again

since dosage was upped), I am not as anxious/nervous as I was when I had

sub 300 testosterone I am just generally more calm overall, but

otherwise I feel practically the same with maybe a slight libido boost.

That is great in itself don't get me wrong, I just don't think

everything is normalized.

But like I was saying those products seemed to die off after a few days

to maybe a week at most, but maybe cycling through a range of them

weekly may have a different result?

I am still on Androgel atm and will be for the next few weeks at least

most likely as I am travelling out of country for work, but if I try

this out I will let the group know the results. BTW is there a

recommended plan for going off Androgel? I think if you completely stop

you crash, but is there a suggested time period/reduction rate? Maybe

same dosage every other day for a week, then 1/2 and do every other day

until your not using any?

-Matt

On 5/10/2010 10:11 AM, philip georgian wrote:

> This is your Que " Over the Counter Sex Boosters! " to there getting you to buy

into this. As for a men that has done everything and been on TRT for over 28

yrs. If you can but something that says it will raise your T levels without a

script it is a waste of your money.

>

> Just think about it a study comes out saying if you eat duck shi* it will in

prove your sex life. Next thing you know every health and Vit. supplement story

on or off the web is selling what the would call the best duck shi* out there.

>

> Not long ago on Sixty Min.'s a TV show they checked a lot of Vit's, Herbs and

Supplements and found that there were trace amounts of what they were selling in

each pill. The rest was fillers and your being riped off.

>

> Sure what they are saying might work but try to fine a good product for sale.

>

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>> From: Matt <mattjon332@...>

>> Subject: Has anyone tried this for low testosterone?

>>

>> Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 10:03 AM

>> I was just looking around and found

>> this:

>>

>> http://www.boost-your-low-testosterone.com/testosterone-booster.html

>>

>> The basic gist of the page is to use 7 different natural

>> testosterone

>> boosters (1 each day of the week) so that your body never

>> adjusts to the

>> herbs enough to make it stop working. They also

>> suggest controlling

>> estrogen to help boost testosterone, which you guys have

>> noted that

>> controlling estrogen may raise testosterone by 2-300 points

>> by itself if

>> I recall?

>>

>> Maybe this is just a hype ad for the products, but in the

>> past before I

>> knew I had a problem with testosterone I had tried some

>> natural test

>> boosters, and occasionally I felt like I did get a boost

>> for a few days

>> before it went away (I think at times the boost " felt "

>> greater then

>> using androgel), and I always wondered if cycling it would

>> help. Maybe

>> there is something to this?

>>

>> I think this obviously only works on us secondary types,

>> but maybe this

>> is an alternative to supplementing with test?

>>

>> -Matt

>>

>> ------------------------------------

>>

May 10, 2010

I am very skeptical of herbal remedies.

I used Maca back in 2003/4. I tried to find the best product from a reputable

source and I took large quantities for many months. While it did increase

libido and energy a bit the results were anemic at best.

For the past six months I have been using Tonkat Ali 1:200 from Pasik Bumi. My

experience has been, much lower blood pressure, increased muscle mass with the

same exercise, some depression relief and increased libido. I cycle this

product weekly 5 days on and 2 days off. It's effect has never diminished on

this cycle. The muscle mass effect is real and is supported by the British

journal of sports medicine study and my own experience.

Before you get too excited about this I had my T levels tested after 6 months on

this product and they were barely above the so called normal range and I still

have most of the symptoms of low T.

Tonkgat Ali is the most effective herbal available for low T symptoms, as far as

I am concerned, but even it fails to raise T levels by very much if at all.

I think this is most likely the case for the other herbals.

I have found a doctor that does TRT and I will see him in a few weeks.

If this works out I will pack up my herbals for good.

>

> I was just looking around and found this:

>

> http://www.boost-your-low-testosterone.com/testosterone-booster.html

>

> The basic gist of the page is to use 7 different natural testosterone

> boosters (1 each day of the week) so that your body never adjusts to the

> herbs enough to make it stop working. They also suggest controlling

> estrogen to help boost testosterone, which you guys have noted that

> controlling estrogen may raise testosterone by 2-300 points by itself if

> I recall?

>

> Maybe this is just a hype ad for the products, but in the past before I

> knew I had a problem with testosterone I had tried some natural test

> boosters, and occasionally I felt like I did get a boost for a few days

> before it went away (I think at times the boost " felt " greater then

> using androgel), and I always wondered if cycling it would help. Maybe

> there is something to this?

>

> I think this obviously only works on us secondary types, but maybe this

> is an alternative to supplementing with test?

>

> -Matt

>

May 10, 2010

Matt I am sorry to say this but I don't know of anyway to come off TRT with out

crashing. This is why I tell men find out why your low before you start TRT

once you start TRT it's for life your brain sees this added T in your blood and

slows down or even stops sending the LH and FSH messages to your testis and they

stop working and get small.

This is why we add HCG to the mix if your Secondary you can try just HCG 100

IU's per day see how you do on this it will get your Testis working HCG acts

like LH.

The only men I know of that could stop Steroids are bodybuilders but they did

not have low T to start with and as long as they did not do the Steroids to long

and stopped them and took Clomid or HCG to jump start them self's there body

would start back up they call this cycling. Testosterone is a steroid.

Dr. is the only Dr. I know that has help men start back up when there cycle

was over and what they tried did not work still most of the men that do steroids

end up on TRT.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> >

> >> From: Matt <mattjon332@...>

> >> Subject: Has anyone tried this for

> low testosterone?

> >>

> >> Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 10:03 AM

> >> I was just looking around and found

> >> this:

> >>

> >> http://www.boost-your-low-testosterone.com/testosterone-booster.html

> >>

> >> The basic gist of the page is to use 7 different

> natural

> >> testosterone

> >> boosters (1 each day of the week) so that your

> body never

> >> adjusts to the

> >> herbs enough to make it stop working. They

> also

> >> suggest controlling

> >> estrogen to help boost testosterone, which you

> guys have

> >> noted that

> >> controlling estrogen may raise testosterone by

> 2-300 points

> >> by itself if

> >> I recall?

> >>

> >> Maybe this is just a hype ad for the products, but

> in the

> >> past before I

> >> knew I had a problem with testosterone I had tried

> some

> >> natural test

> >> boosters, and occasionally I felt like I did get a

> boost

> >> for a few days

> >> before it went away (I think at times the boost

> " felt "

> >> greater then

> >> using androgel), and I always wondered if cycling

> it would

> >> help. Maybe

> >> there is something to this?

> >>

> >> I think this obviously only works on us secondary

> types,

> >> but maybe this

> >> is an alternative to supplementing with test?

> >>

> >> -Matt

> >>

> >> ------------------------------------

> >>

May 10, 2010

do you need a script for HCG and Clomid? should i mention this to my doc when i

see him in 2 weeks?

> > >

> > >> From: Matt <mattjon332@...>

> > >> Subject: Has anyone tried this for

> > low testosterone?

> > >>

> > >> Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 10:03 AM

> > >> I was just looking around and found

> > >> this:

> > >>

> > >> http://www.boost-your-low-testosterone.com/testosterone-booster.html

> > >>

> > >> The basic gist of the page is to use 7 different

> > natural

> > >> testosterone

> > >> boosters (1 each day of the week) so that your

> > body never

> > >> adjusts to the

> > >> herbs enough to make it stop working. They

> > also

> > >> suggest controlling

> > >> estrogen to help boost testosterone, which you

> > guys have

> > >> noted that

> > >> controlling estrogen may raise testosterone by

> > 2-300 points

> > >> by itself if

> > >> I recall?

> > >>

> > >> Maybe this is just a hype ad for the products, but

> > in the

> > >> past before I

> > >> knew I had a problem with testosterone I had tried

> > some

> > >> natural test

> > >> boosters, and occasionally I felt like I did get a

> > boost

> > >> for a few days

> > >> before it went away (I think at times the boost

> > " felt "

> > >> greater then

> > >> using androgel), and I always wondered if cycling

> > it would

> > >> help. Maybe

> > >> there is something to this?

> > >>

> > >> I think this obviously only works on us secondary

> > types,

> > >> but maybe this

> > >> is an alternative to supplementing with test?

> > >>

> > >> -Matt

> > >>

> > >> ------------------------------------

> > >>

May 10, 2010

Phil,

Are you saying that once I start TRT, I'll never be able to figure out what is

the cause of my hypogonadism even if IÂ stop the TRT?