Some DHEA/Testosterone/SHBG samples from 2005 (pre-HC, Testo/DHEA replacement) til 2009 (the start of HC)

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Digging in my paper archives.....

Pay attention to Estradiol, and changes in that. S-Testosterone and SHBG and the

resulting FREE TESTOSTERONE INDEX which is the total of those two, and other

stuff too.

Here we go!

6th of June 2005

Technical info: 40 mcg T3 and 100 mcg T4 at the time.

FT3: 6.2 (2.3 - 5.7) - I FELT AMAZING HERE!

S-Estradiol: 0.16 (<0.18) - WHY SO HIGH?

S-Testosterone: 16 (8 - 35 nmol/l)

S-Cortisol: 636 (250 - 750 nmol/l)

S-Homocystein: 7.4 (5 - 15)

S-FSH: 1 (<12)

S-LH: 7 (<12)

Prolactin: 218 (<700) - WAS NEVER HIGHER. GOOD THING?

19th of October 2006

Technical info: I was ONLY taking 40 mcg T3 and 100 mcg T4 at the time. This was

me on OPTIMAL thyroid!

S-Estradiol: 0.12 (<0.18)

S-Homocystein: 7.3 (5 - 15)

S-Cortisol: 676 (250 - 750 nmol/l)

S-Testosterone: 22 (8 - 35 nmol/l) - QUITE GOOD! NOT OPTIMAL?

S-FSH: 1 (<12)

S-LH: 4 (<12) "

February 2008: BAD Thyroid starts. The Endos removed T3 meds, and made me take

first more T4 then less and less T4 with their goal of stopping all Thyroid meds

for me completely.

23rd of June 2008

Technical info: I was just taking T4 at the time.

S-Testosterone: 15 (7 - 35 nmol/l)

S-SHBG: 25 (8 - 60 nmol/l)

14th of July 2008

Technical info: Just taking T4.

S-Testosterone: 14 (8 - 35 nmol/l)

S-SHBG: 19 (8 - 60 nmol/l)

S-Cortisol: 512 (250 - 750 nmol/l)

S-Estradiol: 0.13 (<0.18 nmol/l)

S-Progesteron: 8.6* (1.1 - 5.9 nmol/l) - ABOVE RANGE!

S-DHEA: 28.9 (5.3 - 31.7 nmol/l) - IT WAS SO HIGH!!! IS THAT GOOD??

10th of October 2008

Technical info: T4-only was all I took at the time.

S-Testosterone: 13 (8 - 35 nmol/l)

S-SHBG: 18 (8 - 60 nmol/l)

S-Estradiol: 0.08 (<0.18)

S-Cortisol: 549 (250 - 750)

Free Testosterone Index: 7.4 (2.3 - 9.9)

2nd of February 2009:

Technical info: T4-only and nothing else.

S-Testosterone: 17 (8 - 35 nmol/l)

S-SHBG: 19 (8 - 60 nmol/l)

Free Testosterone Index: 9.3 (2.3 - 9.9)

S-Cortisol: 427 (250 - 750 nmol/l)

16th of February 2009

Technical info: T4-only was all I took.

S-Testosterone: 17 (8 - 35 nmol/l)

S-SHBG: 19 (8 - 60 nmol/l)

S-Free Teatosterone Index: 9.3 (2.3 - 9.9)

3rd of March 2009

Technical info: I was just taking T4-only at the time. I did FEEL horrible, for

some reason. Probably Adrenal Fatigue, undignosed at the time.

S-Testosterone: 14.7 (8 - 35 nmol/l)

S-SHBG: 19 (8 - 60 nmol/l)

Free Testosterone Index: 7.7 (2.3 - 9.9)

22nd of June 2009

Technical info: Started HC 8th of June 2009, and was at 10 mg HC on the day of

this blood draw. I do think I took my morning dose og 5 mg HC before this blood

draw. I was taking 100 mcg T4-only daily at the time. I have my logs.

S-DHEA-Sulfate: 7.2 (1.6 - 12.0)

S-DHEA: 12.6 (5.3 - 31.7 nmol/l)

S-Testosterone: 14.0 (8.0 - 35.0 nmol/l)

S-SHBG: 17 (8 - 60 nmol/l)

S-Cortisol: 257 (250 - 750 nmol/l)

OK!!!!!

That's what I found - Imagine typing all that on an iPhone! Took a few hours!

Does anyone have anything to say about my DHEA level back then before I was on

HC, DHEA and Testosterone replacements? And also what about the changes in my

testosterone level, from otimal Thyroid in 2005-2006-2007-beginning of 2008 then

I had bad Thyroid (and possibly lower Testosterone due to this!) since February

2008 til today?

I am trying to figure out if I need to take Testosterone and DHEA replacements

OR if I can live without them! The bloodwork above should give some clues.

I should probably send all this to Hertoghe as well.

Main Q: DO I NEED TESTOSTERONE AND DHEA SUPPLEMENTED OR NOT???

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Here is what I know and see.

1. taking this much T3 40 mcgs will drive up your SHBG in time and this will

bind up what Testosterone you have.

2. From the start your S-T levels are to low 16 in my units is 467. Most good

Dr.'s will put a man this low on TRT your levels are that of a man 75 to 84 yrs.

of age. I have a chart that I can't up load here. When your levels were at 22

your still low enough to feel bad men age 55 have levels like this.

Testing Testosterone at different times of the day off TRT the later in the day

the lower the levels. On TRT if you take your meds and do labs your going to

get a higher level.

3. As you can see off T3 meds your SHBG came down.

4. You can't tell what Cortisol levels are on HC or taking any kind of

supplement that will have Cortisol or HC in it. All your last lab told you was

after taking 5 mgs your Adrenals are still working and your not on too much or

shut down.

4. I don't know of anyone ever saying they felt better on DHEA supplements.

You need to show this to your Dr. let him balance you out and in time your going

to feel better.

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Phil

> From: Gibcast <gibcast@...>

> Subject: Some DHEA/Testosterone/SHBG samples from 2005 (pre-HC,

Testo/DHEA replacement) til 2009 (the start of HC)

>

> Date: Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 8:24 AM

> Digging in my paper archives.....

> Pay attention to Estradiol, and changes in that.

> S-Testosterone and SHBG and the resulting FREE TESTOSTERONE

> INDEX which is the total of those two, and other stuff too.

>

> Here we go!

> 6th of June 2005

> Technical info: 40 mcg T3 and 100 mcg T4 at the time.

> FT3: 6.2 (2.3 - 5.7) - I FELT AMAZING HERE!

> S-Estradiol: 0.16 (<0.18) - WHY SO HIGH?

> S-Testosterone: 16 (8 - 35 nmol/l)

> S-Cortisol: 636 (250 - 750 nmol/l)

> S-Homocystein: 7.4 (5 - 15)

> S-FSH: 1 (<12)

> S-LH: 7 (<12)

> Prolactin: 218 (<700) - WAS NEVER HIGHER. GOOD THING?

>

> 19th of October 2006

> Technical info: I was ONLY taking 40 mcg T3 and 100 mcg T4

> at the time. This was me on OPTIMAL thyroid!

> S-Estradiol: 0.12 (<0.18)

> S-Homocystein: 7.3 (5 - 15)

> S-Cortisol: 676 (250 - 750 nmol/l)

> S-Testosterone: 22 (8 - 35 nmol/l) - QUITE GOOD! NOT

> OPTIMAL?

> S-FSH: 1 (<12)

> S-LH: 4 (<12) "

>

> February 2008: BAD Thyroid starts. The Endos removed T3

> meds, and made me take first more T4 then less and less T4

> with their goal of stopping all Thyroid meds for me

> completely.

>

> 23rd of June 2008

> Technical info: I was just taking T4 at the time.

> S-Testosterone: 15 (7 - 35 nmol/l)

> S-SHBG: 25 (8 - 60 nmol/l)

>

> 14th of July 2008

> Technical info: Just taking T4.

> S-Testosterone: 14 (8 - 35 nmol/l)

> S-SHBG: 19 (8 - 60 nmol/l)

> S-Cortisol: 512 (250 - 750 nmol/l)

> S-Estradiol: 0.13 (<0.18 nmol/l)

> S-Progesteron: 8.6* (1.1 - 5.9 nmol/l) - ABOVE RANGE!

> S-DHEA: 28.9 (5.3 - 31.7 nmol/l) - IT WAS SO HIGH!!! IS

> THAT GOOD??

>

> 10th of October 2008

> Technical info: T4-only was all I took at the time.

> S-Testosterone: 13 (8 - 35 nmol/l)

> S-SHBG: 18 (8 - 60 nmol/l)

> S-Estradiol: 0.08 (<0.18)

> S-Cortisol: 549 (250 - 750)

> Free Testosterone Index: 7.4 (2.3 - 9.9)

>

> 2nd of February 2009:

> Technical info: T4-only and nothing else.

> S-Testosterone: 17 (8 - 35 nmol/l)

> S-SHBG: 19 (8 - 60 nmol/l)

> Free Testosterone Index: 9.3 (2.3 - 9.9)

> S-Cortisol: 427 (250 - 750 nmol/l)

>

> 16th of February 2009

> Technical info: T4-only was all I took.

> S-Testosterone: 17 (8 - 35 nmol/l)

> S-SHBG: 19 (8 - 60 nmol/l)

> S-Free Teatosterone Index: 9.3 (2.3 - 9.9)

>

> 3rd of March 2009

> Technical info: I was just taking T4-only at the time. I

> did FEEL horrible, for some reason. Probably Adrenal

> Fatigue, undignosed at the time.

> S-Testosterone: 14.7 (8 - 35 nmol/l)

> S-SHBG: 19 (8 - 60 nmol/l)

> Free Testosterone Index: 7.7 (2.3 - 9.9)

>  

> 22nd of June 2009

> Technical info: Started HC 8th of June 2009, and was at 10

> mg HC on the day of this blood draw. I do think I took my

> morning dose og 5 mg HC before this blood draw. I was taking

> 100 mcg T4-only daily at the time. I have my logs.

> S-DHEA-Sulfate: 7.2 (1.6 - 12.0)

> S-DHEA: 12.6 (5.3 - 31.7 nmol/l)

> S-Testosterone: 14.0 (8.0 - 35.0 nmol/l)

> S-SHBG: 17 (8 - 60 nmol/l)

> S-Cortisol: 257 (250 - 750 nmol/l)

>

> OK!!!!!

>

> That's what I found - Imagine typing all that on an iPhone!

> Took a few hours! Does anyone have anything to say about

> my DHEA level back then before I was on HC, DHEA and

> Testosterone replacements? And also what about the changes

> in my testosterone level, from otimal Thyroid in

> 2005-2006-2007-beginning of 2008 then I had bad Thyroid (and

> possibly lower Testosterone due to this!) since February

> 2008 til today?

>

> I am trying to figure out if I need to take Testosterone

> and DHEA replacements OR if I can live without them! The

> bloodwork above should give some clues.

>

> I should probably send all this to Hertoghe as well.

>

> Main Q: DO I NEED TESTOSTERONE AND DHEA SUPPLEMENTED OR

> NOT???

>

>

>

> Sendt fra min iPhone

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