Re: Doctor won't dose cortisone - what would you do?

[Guest guest]

Dave,

You could try educating your doc. Get the book " safe uses of cortisol " by

Jeffries and bookmark the pertinent information. In there, Jeffries'

explains that up to 40 mg's of HC is safe for therapy. Then, bring it into

your next appointment and go over that information with your doc. I will

forewarn you though, this usually doesn't go over well with doctors. So,

you have to be extremely tactful when doing this.

If this doesn't work, then you should find another doc if you can. If your

doc isn't providing the service you expect of her, then fire her and find

someone who will. There is no reason, except if you can't find another doc

to treat you, that you should be giving this person your hard earned money

if she is not giving you the service you expect. Remember, you pay her to

perform a service for you and not the other way around.

Hope this helps.

Mike

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Dave <dcbaden@...> wrote:

>

>

> With the help of Phil and others on this board, I'm finally feeling better,

> but I'm having a problem with my docs.

>

> Here's where I'm at:

>

> Low T - so I'm on Testim.

> Hypothyroid - so I'm on Levothyroxine.

>

> After starting those 2 I didn't feel great, so I started self treating with

> Isocort.

> BINGO!

> Seemed like low cortisone was a major component of my situation.

> I begged my doc to give me cortef, but she only came through with 7.5 mg/

> day. It does nothing, and I have to take additional Isocort to feel half way

> decent.

>

> I explained this to my doc and she's refusing to up my dose. Instead, she

> wants me off of all cortisone for a month and have my levels tested.

> Maybe this is reasonable, but I don't want to feel crappy for a month -

> then who knows what happens after that? Trust me. It's bad.

>

> So, do I continue Isocort

> OR

> Buy some cortef from ADC and try to get my dose right?

> OR

> Bite the bullet and go off for a month and get tested?

> OR

> Dose myself, then test after I feel right to see what my levels are?

>

> What do you all think I should do?

>

>

>

--

Mike

[Guest guest]

Thanks Mike.

I appreciate the reply.

She actually recommended the book TO ME!

But apparently she doesn't walk the walk.

When it comes time to write the script, she'll shy away from anything " non

conventional " even though she made me sign my life away before visiting her.

Anyway. Finding a doc who understands is easier said than done. I feel like I'm

finally coming out of a long crisis, so I'm leaning towards self-treating.

Maybe while I do, I'll make finding a doc a long-term quest.

>

> >

> >

> > With the help of Phil and others on this board, I'm finally feeling better,

> > but I'm having a problem with my docs.

> >

> > Here's where I'm at:

> >

> > Low T - so I'm on Testim.

> > Hypothyroid - so I'm on Levothyroxine.

> >

> > After starting those 2 I didn't feel great, so I started self treating with

> > Isocort.

> > BINGO!

> > Seemed like low cortisone was a major component of my situation.

> > I begged my doc to give me cortef, but she only came through with 7.5 mg/

> > day. It does nothing, and I have to take additional Isocort to feel half way

> > decent.

> >

> > I explained this to my doc and she's refusing to up my dose. Instead, she

> > wants me off of all cortisone for a month and have my levels tested.

> > Maybe this is reasonable, but I don't want to feel crappy for a month -

> > then who knows what happens after that? Trust me. It's bad.

> >

> > So, do I continue Isocort

> > OR

> > Buy some cortef from ADC and try to get my dose right?

> > OR

> > Bite the bullet and go off for a month and get tested?

> > OR

> > Dose myself, then test after I feel right to see what my levels are?

> >

> > What do you all think I should do?

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Mike

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dave I had the same problem with my Dr. but after I tested low.  When my Dr.

seen how much better I was doing on Isocort and it was on back order he gave me

Cortef.  I just don't know what to tell you you need to make your mind up it's

your body.

If you need links to help you show your Dr. it's safe to take up to 40 mgs a day

of HC I have some here are two of them.

http://featherstone.bravehost.com/thyroid/peatfieldadrenal.html

I was going to give you a link at Stop the Thyroid Madness on the best parts of

the book " Safe Uses of Cortisol " but it does not want to come up.

Some people can't take a low 7.5 mgs dose of HC the hole idea of taking HC is to

support your body with Cortisol that your Adrenals can't do anymore.

Some people that are not bad off can take HC on at the times of the day they

feel bad some are low in the morning and good the rest of the day. Others take

a low dose and there adrenals get rested from this and in less then 4 hrs they

start to feel like crap because there Adrenals are not coming back on line and

making more Cortisol. I idea of taking HC is to slow down your adrenals so they

can rest and heal. So you need at least 20 mgs / day 5 mgs every 4 hrs to

support your body.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/?s=Safe+Uses+of+Cortisol

And you don't need to be off HC or Isocort 4 weeks to do labs you only need to

be off it 2 weeks but it will take you a long time to come off what your on.

Read about it in this FAQ's read 39 and 41.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/faq/

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Dave <dcbaden@...>

> Subject: Doctor won't dose cortisone - what would you do?

>

> Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 5:36 PM

> With the help of Phil and others on

> this board, I'm finally feeling better, but I'm having a

> problem with my docs.

>

> Here's where I'm at:

>

> Low T - so I'm on Testim.

> Hypothyroid  - so I'm on Levothyroxine.

>

> After starting those 2 I didn't feel great, so I started

> self treating with Isocort.

> BINGO!

> Seemed like low cortisone was a major component of my

> situation.

> I begged my doc to give me cortef, but she only came

> through with 7.5 mg/ day.  It does nothing, and I have

> to take additional Isocort to feel half way decent.

>

> I explained this to my doc and she's refusing to up my

> dose. Instead, she wants me off of all cortisone for a month

> and have my levels tested.

> Maybe this is reasonable, but I don't want to feel crappy

> for a month - then who knows what happens after that? 

> Trust me.  It's bad.

>

> So, do I continue Isocort

> OR

> Buy some cortef from ADC and try to get my dose right?

> OR

> Bite the bullet and go off for a month and get tested?

> OR

> Dose myself, then test after I feel right to see what my

> levels are?

>

> What do you all think I should do?

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dave don't self treat it's a long road to big problems. Some times people like

my self have an Adrenal Crisis and you need your Dr. on board to help you with

this. I ended up in the ER 2 times over doing working in the heat to long. I

needed a big shot of Medrol to keep me from dieing.

I think you can take both your 7.5 mgs and Isocort at the same time. Eight

pills of Isocort is 20mgs of cortisol so figure out when you need the Cortef and

try Isocort after this. Some if not most feel bad in the morning so if your one

take your Cotref in the morning and Isocort the rest of the day. Say 7.5 mgs

when you wake up then 2 pills of Isocort every 4 hrs to total 20.5 mgs / day.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Dave <dcbaden@...>

> Subject: Re: Doctor won't dose cortisone - what would you do?

>

> Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 11:23 PM

>

> Thanks Mike.

>

> I appreciate the reply.

> She actually recommended the book TO ME!

> But apparently she doesn't walk the walk.

> When it comes time to write the script, she'll shy away

> from anything " non conventional " even though she made me

> sign my life away before visiting her.

>

> Anyway.  Finding a doc who understands is easier said

> than done. I feel like I'm finally coming out of a long

> crisis, so I'm leaning towards self-treating.  Maybe

> while I do, I'll make finding a doc a long-term quest.

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > With the help of Phil and others on this board,

> I'm finally feeling better,

> > > but I'm having a problem with my docs.

> > >

> > > Here's where I'm at:

> > >

> > > Low T - so I'm on Testim.

> > > Hypothyroid - so I'm on Levothyroxine.

> > >

> > > After starting those 2 I didn't feel great, so I

> started self treating with

> > > Isocort.

> > > BINGO!

> > > Seemed like low cortisone was a major component

> of my situation.

> > > I begged my doc to give me cortef, but she only

> came through with 7.5 mg/

> > > day. It does nothing, and I have to take

> additional Isocort to feel half way

> > > decent.

> > >

> > > I explained this to my doc and she's refusing to

> up my dose. Instead, she

> > > wants me off of all cortisone for a month and

> have my levels tested.

> > > Maybe this is reasonable, but I don't want to

> feel crappy for a month -

> > > then who knows what happens after that? Trust me.

> It's bad.

> > >

> > > So, do I continue Isocort

> > > OR

> > > Buy some cortef from ADC and try to get my dose

> right?

> > > OR

> > > Bite the bullet and go off for a month and get

> tested?

> > > OR

> > > Dose myself, then test after I feel right to see

> what my levels are?

> > >

> > > What do you all think I should do?

> > >

> > > 

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > --

> > Mike

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thanks all.

I think I'll stay the course with mixing Isocort and HC and just see what my

labs look like in 2 weeks.

Maybe I'll get a clue from that.

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > With the help of Phil and others on this board,

> > I'm finally feeling better,

> > > > but I'm having a problem with my docs.

> > > >

> > > > Here's where I'm at:

> > > >

> > > > Low T - so I'm on Testim.

> > > > Hypothyroid - so I'm on Levothyroxine.

> > > >

> > > > After starting those 2 I didn't feel great, so I

> > started self treating with

> > > > Isocort.

> > > > BINGO!

> > > > Seemed like low cortisone was a major component

> > of my situation.

> > > > I begged my doc to give me cortef, but she only

> > came through with 7.5 mg/

> > > > day. It does nothing, and I have to take

> > additional Isocort to feel half way

> > > > decent.

> > > >

> > > > I explained this to my doc and she's refusing to

> > up my dose. Instead, she

> > > > wants me off of all cortisone for a month and

> > have my levels tested.

> > > > Maybe this is reasonable, but I don't want to

> > feel crappy for a month -

> > > > then who knows what happens after that? Trust me.

> > It's bad.

> > > >

> > > > So, do I continue Isocort

> > > > OR

> > > > Buy some cortef from ADC and try to get my dose

> > right?

> > > > OR

> > > > Bite the bullet and go off for a month and get

> > tested?

> > > > OR

> > > > Dose myself, then test after I feel right to see

> > what my levels are?

> > > >

> > > > What do you all think I should do?

> > > >

> > > > 

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --

> > > Mike

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

The thing that worked for me on HC and Isocort was taking my temps read this

link you can print out a chart so you can chart your temps avg. and keep track

on how your doing.

http://www.drrind.com/therapies/metabolic-temperature-graph

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Dave <dcbaden@...>

> Subject: Re: Doctor won't dose cortisone - what would you do?

>

> Date: Thursday, September 2, 2010, 12:47 PM

> Thanks all.

> I think I'll stay the course with mixing Isocort and HC and

> just see what my labs look like in 2 weeks.

> Maybe I'll get a clue from that.

>

>

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > With the help of Phil and others on

> this board,

> > > I'm finally feeling better,

> > > > > but I'm having a problem with my docs.

> > > > >

> > > > > Here's where I'm at:

> > > > >

> > > > > Low T - so I'm on Testim.

> > > > > Hypothyroid - so I'm on Levothyroxine.

> > > > >

> > > > > After starting those 2 I didn't feel

> great, so I

> > > started self treating with

> > > > > Isocort.

> > > > > BINGO!

> > > > > Seemed like low cortisone was a major

> component

> > > of my situation.

> > > > > I begged my doc to give me cortef, but

> she only

> > > came through with 7.5 mg/

> > > > > day. It does nothing, and I have to

> take

> > > additional Isocort to feel half way

> > > > > decent.

> > > > >

> > > > > I explained this to my doc and she's

> refusing to

> > > up my dose. Instead, she

> > > > > wants me off of all cortisone for a

> month and

> > > have my levels tested.

> > > > > Maybe this is reasonable, but I don't

> want to

> > > feel crappy for a month -

> > > > > then who knows what happens after that?

> Trust me.

> > > It's bad.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, do I continue Isocort

> > > > > OR

> > > > > Buy some cortef from ADC and try to get

> my dose

> > > right?

> > > > > OR

> > > > > Bite the bullet and go off for a month

> and get

> > > tested?

> > > > > OR

> > > > > Dose myself, then test after I feel

> right to see

> > > what my levels are?

> > > > >

> > > > > What do you all think I should do?

> > > > >

> > > > > 

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > Mike

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> > >

> > >