Re: Heavyheadedness and Head Pressure and Low BP

[Guest guest]

Barb,

Thank you for the info. Yes. I am trying to use low doses hereafter. And coming

to the heavyheadedness that I am recently having and also feel like pressure in

the head. It started like a couple of hours a day and now its going on for

longer hours like whole day.

I am checking my Blood Pressure at that time and most of the time its around

105/70 with my pulse at 61.

I am wondering what is causing this. Is my high hemoglobin or hemotocrit levels

? but they are only 0.2 higher than the normals.

Sometime I am wondering if I have to drive or not. I am thinking of going to the

doc tomorrow if this doesnt go away. But trying to get some info.

Thank you

Joe

>

> > TC shot - 80mg (Peak after 3 days)

> > Testosterone Total - 1072 (Range: 250 -1100 ng/dl)

> > Testosterone Free - 213 (Range: 46-224 pg/ml)

> > Testosterone Bioavailable - 410.3 (Range: 110 -575ng/dl)

> > Estradiol E2 - 47 Range: 13- 54pg/ml)

>

> I've been playing with DH's lab numbers, looking for some way to quantify any

pattern. I came up with what I call a Conversion Factor (CF) calculated by

dividing total T by your shot amount. So yours would be 1072/80 = 13.4

>

> For comparison, DH's CF was 17 (1047/60) when his E2 was high (74) on 60 mg.

His CF increased to 27 (862/32) when I dropped his dose to 32 mg and his E2

dropped to 54. This means he got relatively more total testosterone from a

smaller dose of TC, I'm guessing because less converted to E2.

>

> Dr. no recommends keeping T between 650 - 1000, so based on that, you're

a little too high on 80 mg, and this is reflected in your E2 level.

>

> > Now I am taking 100mcg of synthroid and also will be starting a small dose

of T3 (may be 5 mcg broken down in to two times a day ) and see if I can get my

Thyroid optimized. Also have you heard about " Thyroid Response "

http://naturalpartners.silverw.com/images/pdfs/IN0081.pdf

>

> This is great news! I think thyroid plays a huge role in getting your

testosterone dosing right. It might even by why your CF is so much lower than

DH's.

>

> Sorry, I'm not familiar with any thyroid supplements, just the meds. But glad

they're working for your wife.

>

> Barb

>

[Guest guest]

Joe,

To jump in  here; I get the heavyheadedness and pressure in the head.  It's

sinuses for me.  I don't necessarily feel the " obvious " sinus pressures (such

as

in your sinus cavities), yet these symptoms are because of sinuses.  If you

notice a dizziness or similar sensations (sometimes I feel like I'm walking on a

slow moving treadmill), it could all be sinus realted.

My other comment is about your BP; the 105 is somewhat low and low BP can cause

some of the same symptoms.  It's not that 105 is an absolutely low number -

short, skinny people, especially if female, can have numbers like that, but

they

are usually combined with an increased poulse rate (in my non-scientific circle

of friends and family).  For example, I know some demure women who have low BPs

- they tend to have pulse rates above 70 (my wife is 5'0 " and her pulse has

always been above 80 and her BP soemthing like 110/70).  So... maybe 105 is

normal for you, but maybe it's too low and causing some of your symptoms.  Your

doc will know.

Bill

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From: inc_100 <no_reply >

Sent: Thu, September 2, 2010 12:09:28 PM

Subject: Re: Heavyheadedness and Head Pressure and Low BP

 

Barb,

Thank you for the info. Yes. I am trying to use low doses hereafter. And coming

to the heavyheadedness that I am recently having and also feel like pressure in

the head. It started like a couple of hours a day and now its going on for

longer hours like whole day.

I am checking my Blood Pressure at that time and most of the time its around

105/70 with my pulse at 61.

I am wondering what is causing this. Is my high hemoglobin or hemotocrit levels

? but they are only 0.2 higher than the normals.

Sometime I am wondering if I have to drive or not. I am thinking of going to the

doc tomorrow if this doesnt go away. But trying to get some info.

Thank you

Joe

>

> > TC shot - 80mg (Peak after 3 days)

> > Testosterone Total - 1072 (Range: 250 -1100 ng/dl)

> > Testosterone Free - 213 (Range: 46-224 pg/ml)

> > Testosterone Bioavailable - 410.3 (Range: 110 -575ng/dl)

> > Estradiol E2 - 47 Range: 13- 54pg/ml)

>

> I've been playing with DH's lab numbers, looking for some way to quantify any

>pattern. I came up with what I call a Conversion Factor (CF) calculated by

>dividing total T by your shot amount. So yours would be 1072/80 = 13.4

>

> For comparison, DH's CF was 17 (1047/60) when his E2 was high (74) on 60 mg.

>His CF increased to 27 (862/32) when I dropped his dose to 32 mg and his E2

>dropped to 54. This means he got relatively more total testosterone from a

>smaller dose of TC, I'm guessing because less converted to E2.

>

> Dr. no recommends keeping T between 650 - 1000, so based on that, you're

a

>little too high on 80 mg, and this is reflected in your E2 level.

>

> > Now I am taking 100mcg of synthroid and also will be starting a small dose

of

>T3 (may be 5 mcg broken down in to two times a day ) and see if I can get my

>Thyroid optimized. Also have you heard about " Thyroid Response "

>http://naturalpartners.silverw.com/images/pdfs/IN0081.pdf

>

> This is great news! I think thyroid plays a huge role in getting your

>testosterone dosing right. It might even by why your CF is so much lower than

>DH's.

>

>

> Sorry, I'm not familiar with any thyroid supplements, just the meds. But glad

>they're working for your wife.

>

> Barb

>

[Guest guest]

Bill,

Thanks for the response. I too think it might be because of some infection or

allergies. Also, I read that even taking too many medications/ vitamin

supplements may also cause the same. I take Vit D3, Vit C, Vit B Complex,

Calcium, DIM, Zinc etc all together but seperate tabs so I am wondering if all

these things are causing it.

My pulse is always around 61. And my BP is around 105/70. I wanted to see what

is this causing before I go to a doc. Now a days doctors dont have a clue on

what's wrong with me.

Thank you,

JOe

> >

> > > TC shot - 80mg (Peak after 3 days)

> > > Testosterone Total - 1072 (Range: 250 -1100 ng/dl)

> > > Testosterone Free - 213 (Range: 46-224 pg/ml)

> > > Testosterone Bioavailable - 410.3 (Range: 110 -575ng/dl)

> > > Estradiol E2 - 47 Range: 13- 54pg/ml)

> >

> > I've been playing with DH's lab numbers, looking for some way to quantify

any

> >pattern. I came up with what I call a Conversion Factor (CF) calculated by

> >dividing total T by your shot amount. So yours would be 1072/80 = 13.4

> >

> > For comparison, DH's CF was 17 (1047/60) when his E2 was high (74) on 60 mg.

> >His CF increased to 27 (862/32) when I dropped his dose to 32 mg and his E2

> >dropped to 54. This means he got relatively more total testosterone from a

> >smaller dose of TC, I'm guessing because less converted to E2.

> >

> > Dr. no recommends keeping T between 650 - 1000, so based on that,

you're a

> >little too high on 80 mg, and this is reflected in your E2 level.

> >

> > > Now I am taking 100mcg of synthroid and also will be starting a small dose

of

> >T3 (may be 5 mcg broken down in to two times a day ) and see if I can get my

> >Thyroid optimized. Also have you heard about " Thyroid Response "

> >http://naturalpartners.silverw.com/images/pdfs/IN0081.pdf

> >

> > This is great news! I think thyroid plays a huge role in getting your

> >testosterone dosing right. It might even by why your CF is so much lower than

> >DH's.

> >

> >

> > Sorry, I'm not familiar with any thyroid supplements, just the meds. But

glad

> >they're working for your wife.

> >

> > Barb

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for bringing up the BP Bill. Low BP like Joes, 105/70, can be caused by

low cortisol or low aldosterone, and these sometimes go with being hypothyroid.

There was a time before I was on meds that I actually passed out when standing

up too quickly from low BP. So yes, low BP can make you feel spacy in the head.

Signs of low aldosterone are being thirsty all the time and peeing all the time,

especially at night. Drinking water with celtic sea salt helps.

When your cortisol is really low, your body will secrete adrenaline to

compensate, and that can raise your pulse. But your pulse of 61 just says hypo.

Barb

> >

> > > TC shot - 80mg (Peak after 3 days)

> > > Testosterone Total - 1072 (Range: 250 -1100 ng/dl)

> > > Testosterone Free - 213 (Range: 46-224 pg/ml)

> > > Testosterone Bioavailable - 410.3 (Range: 110 -575ng/dl)

> > > Estradiol E2 - 47 Range: 13- 54pg/ml)

> >

> > I've been playing with DH's lab numbers, looking for some way to quantify

any

> >pattern. I came up with what I call a Conversion Factor (CF) calculated by

> >dividing total T by your shot amount. So yours would be 1072/80 = 13.4

> >

> > For comparison, DH's CF was 17 (1047/60) when his E2 was high (74) on 60 mg.

> >His CF increased to 27 (862/32) when I dropped his dose to 32 mg and his E2

> >dropped to 54. This means he got relatively more total testosterone from a

> >smaller dose of TC, I'm guessing because less converted to E2.

> >

> > Dr. no recommends keeping T between 650 - 1000, so based on that,

you're a

> >little too high on 80 mg, and this is reflected in your E2 level.

> >

> > > Now I am taking 100mcg of synthroid and also will be starting a small dose

of

> >T3 (may be 5 mcg broken down in to two times a day ) and see if I can get my

> >Thyroid optimized. Also have you heard about " Thyroid Response "

> >http://naturalpartners.silverw.com/images/pdfs/IN0081.pdf

> >

> > This is great news! I think thyroid plays a huge role in getting your

> >testosterone dosing right. It might even by why your CF is so much lower than

> >DH's.

> >

> >

> > Sorry, I'm not familiar with any thyroid supplements, just the meds. But

glad

> >they're working for your wife.

> >

> > Barb

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Barb I just want to Thank You for all you do here your a great help to all of

us.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Barb <baba@...>

> Subject: Re: Heavyheadedness and Head Pressure and Low BP

>

> Date: Friday, September 3, 2010, 2:17 PM

> Thanks for bringing up the BP

> Bill.  Low BP like Joes, 105/70, can be caused by low

> cortisol or low aldosterone, and these sometimes go with

> being hypothyroid.  There was a time before I was on

> meds that I actually passed out when standing up too quickly

> from low BP.  So yes, low BP can make you feel spacy in

> the head.  Signs of low aldosterone are being thirsty

> all the time and peeing all the time, especially at

> night.  Drinking water with celtic sea salt helps.

>

> When your cortisol is really low, your body will secrete

> adrenaline to compensate, and that can raise your

> pulse.  But your pulse of 61 just says hypo.

>

> Barb

>

>

> > >

> > > > TC shot - 80mg (Peak after 3 days)

> > > > Testosterone Total - 1072 (Range: 250 -1100

> ng/dl)

> > > > Testosterone Free - 213 (Range: 46-224

> pg/ml)

> > > > Testosterone Bioavailable - 410.3 (Range:

> 110 -575ng/dl)

> > > > Estradiol E2 - 47 Range: 13- 54pg/ml)

> > >

> > > I've been playing with DH's lab numbers, looking

> for some way to quantify any

> > >pattern. I came up with what I call a Conversion

> Factor (CF) calculated by

> > >dividing total T by your shot amount. So yours

> would be 1072/80 = 13.4

> > >

> > > For comparison, DH's CF was 17 (1047/60) when his

> E2 was high (74) on 60 mg.

> > >His CF increased to 27 (862/32) when I dropped his

> dose to 32 mg and his E2

> > >dropped to 54. This means he got relatively more

> total testosterone from a

> > >smaller dose of TC, I'm guessing because less

> converted to E2.

> > >

> > > Dr. no recommends keeping T between 650 -

> 1000, so based on that, you're a

> > >little too high on 80 mg, and this is reflected in

> your E2 level.

> > >

> > > > Now I am taking 100mcg of synthroid and also

> will be starting a small dose of

> > >T3 (may be 5 mcg broken down in to two times a day

> ) and see if I can get my

> > >Thyroid optimized. Also have you heard about

> " Thyroid Response "

> > >http://naturalpartners.silverw.com/images/pdfs/IN0081.pdf

> > >

> > > This is great news! I think thyroid plays a huge

> role in getting your

> > >testosterone dosing right. It might even by why

> your CF is so much lower than

> > >DH's.

> > >

> > >

> > > Sorry, I'm not familiar with any thyroid

> supplements, just the meds. But glad

> > >they're working for your wife.

> > >

> > > Barb

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >       

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Barb and Phil,

Thank you all for all the responses and support.

JOe

> > > >

> > > > > TC shot - 80mg (Peak after 3 days)

> > > > > Testosterone Total - 1072 (Range: 250 -1100

> > ng/dl)

> > > > > Testosterone Free - 213 (Range: 46-224

> > pg/ml)

> > > > > Testosterone Bioavailable - 410.3 (Range:

> > 110 -575ng/dl)

> > > > > Estradiol E2 - 47 Range: 13- 54pg/ml)

> > > >

> > > > I've been playing with DH's lab numbers, looking

> > for some way to quantify any

> > > >pattern. I came up with what I call a Conversion

> > Factor (CF) calculated by

> > > >dividing total T by your shot amount. So yours

> > would be 1072/80 = 13.4

> > > >

> > > > For comparison, DH's CF was 17 (1047/60) when his

> > E2 was high (74) on 60 mg.

> > > >His CF increased to 27 (862/32) when I dropped his

> > dose to 32 mg and his E2

> > > >dropped to 54. This means he got relatively more

> > total testosterone from a

> > > >smaller dose of TC, I'm guessing because less

> > converted to E2.

> > > >

> > > > Dr. no recommends keeping T between 650 -

> > 1000, so based on that, you're a

> > > >little too high on 80 mg, and this is reflected in

> > your E2 level.

> > > >

> > > > > Now I am taking 100mcg of synthroid and also

> > will be starting a small dose of

> > > >T3 (may be 5 mcg broken down in to two times a day

> > ) and see if I can get my

> > > >Thyroid optimized. Also have you heard about

> > " Thyroid Response "

> > > >http://naturalpartners.silverw.com/images/pdfs/IN0081.pdf

> > > >

> > > > This is great news! I think thyroid plays a huge

> > role in getting your

> > > >testosterone dosing right. It might even by why

> > your CF is so much lower than

> > > >DH's.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Sorry, I'm not familiar with any thyroid

> > supplements, just the meds. But glad

> > > >they're working for your wife.

> > > >

> > > > Barb

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >       

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks Phil, that really means a lot to me. A lot of moderators do not like it

when a different opinion from theirs is expressed, but you're so open-minded and

I really appreciate that. It is from everyone's posting about their personal

experiences that I've learned so much, and not to trust whatever " standard of

care " is being pushed. Even these forums have a SOC, and they, just like docs,

can be dead wrong. It is only with an open mind that you can learn.

Thank YOU Phil,

Barb

> > > >

> > > > > TC shot - 80mg (Peak after 3 days)

> > > > > Testosterone Total - 1072 (Range: 250 -1100

> > ng/dl)

> > > > > Testosterone Free - 213 (Range: 46-224

> > pg/ml)

> > > > > Testosterone Bioavailable - 410.3 (Range:

> > 110 -575ng/dl)

> > > > > Estradiol E2 - 47 Range: 13- 54pg/ml)

> > > >

> > > > I've been playing with DH's lab numbers, looking

> > for some way to quantify any

> > > >pattern. I came up with what I call a Conversion

> > Factor (CF) calculated by

> > > >dividing total T by your shot amount. So yours

> > would be 1072/80 = 13.4

> > > >

> > > > For comparison, DH's CF was 17 (1047/60) when his

> > E2 was high (74) on 60 mg.

> > > >His CF increased to 27 (862/32) when I dropped his

> > dose to 32 mg and his E2

> > > >dropped to 54. This means he got relatively more

> > total testosterone from a

> > > >smaller dose of TC, I'm guessing because less

> > converted to E2.

> > > >

> > > > Dr. no recommends keeping T between 650 -

> > 1000, so based on that, you're a

> > > >little too high on 80 mg, and this is reflected in

> > your E2 level.

> > > >

> > > > > Now I am taking 100mcg of synthroid and also

> > will be starting a small dose of

> > > >T3 (may be 5 mcg broken down in to two times a day

> > ) and see if I can get my

> > > >Thyroid optimized. Also have you heard about

> > " Thyroid Response "

> > > >http://naturalpartners.silverw.com/images/pdfs/IN0081.pdf

> > > >

> > > > This is great news! I think thyroid plays a huge

> > role in getting your

> > > >testosterone dosing right. It might even by why

> > your CF is so much lower than

> > > >DH's.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Sorry, I'm not familiar with any thyroid

> > supplements, just the meds. But glad

> > > >they're working for your wife.

> > > >

> > > > Barb

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >       

> > >

> > >