Re: Introduction and labs

[Guest guest]

Hi and Welcome,

I don't like Levoxyl and T3 only med they can stress your adrenals and from the

looks of your cortisol test your might be low next you need to do a 4x's in a

day Saliva test to see how your rhythm looks it needs to be highest I the

morning going down lower by bedtime. And your T3 only meds can be the reason

your SHBG is so high. And with them high levels it binds up your Testosterone

so it's not working as good as it can be you can see this by your Free

Testosterone levels.

The E's you did are labs for women men nothing for men here is what you need

tested Estradiol E2 do a Sensitive test for men from Quest labs #4021 the range

is 13 to 53 best to be at about 20 pg/ml.

Your Iron is low but your Ferritin is good I have low Ferritin and have been on

Iron pills for a few yrs not I feel much better on them.

I feel people like your self do much better on natural dessicated thyroid. I

was on Armour but we can't get this now so most are using the brand Thyroid from

Canada.

http://www.erfa-sa.com/thyroid_usa.htm

http://www.universaldrugstore.com/medications/Thyroid/60mg

But if you try this make sure your Cortisol Saliva test is good if not get on

some Cortef get your Adrenals supported then add the Thyroid.

Here is a link on how I did this.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=5 & t=24

In this are some good links that help you track how your doing.

My wife has Hashis and Endo's she was seeing that did not help her much keeping

her on T4 only meds did RAI to kill her Thyroid she suffered 15 yrs on T4 only

meds and seeing Endo's. About 5 yrs ago she found a Dr. that treats with

natural dessicated thyroid now after all them yrs. she feels great.

Do read this link.

http://livingnetwork.co.za/hormones/adrenal-fatigue/

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jasrich <jasrich100@...>

> Subject: Introduction and labs

>

> Date: Friday, April 23, 2010, 10:11 AM

> Hi all, I'm 42 years old and I have

> been struggling with thyroid issues for the past five years

> - I have Hashis, Graves and . I'm currently taking 112mcg of

> Levoxyl and 40mcg of SRT3 split into two doses per day. I

> also take 5mg of Tapazole which has reduced the Graves

> antibodies to low normal which is where they need to be.

> This combo has my thyroid levels about where they need to be

> but I still don't feel great much of the time. I saw another

> " wellness doc " a couple of months ago and she ran all of the

> sex hormones. I've pasted my labs below and would appreciate

> any commments or suggestions.

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

> FT4 1.43 (.82-1.77)

> FT3 3.9 (2.0-4.4)

> AM Cortisol (taken fasting at 8:30AM) 12.5 (6.2-19.4)

> PM Cortisol (taken at 4:30PM) 7.8 (2.3-11.9)

>

> Glucose 86 (65-99)

>

> Iron and TIBC

> UIBC 139 Low (150-375)

>

> Vitamin B12 and Folate

> B12 743 (211-911)

> Folate (Folic Acid) >24.0

>

> Testosterone, Free Direct 11.0 (6.8-21.5)

> Testosterone, Serum 829 (28-800)

> Estrogens, Total 86 (40-115)

> Estrone, Serum 23 (12-72)

> IGF-1 205 (101-267)

> FSH 5.8 (1.5-12.4)

> LH 3.5 (1.7-8.6)

> Sex Horm Binding Glob 68.3 High (14.5-48.4)

> PSA 0.7 (0.0 - 4.0)

>

> Vitamin D, 25-Hydroxy 59.8 (32-100) (supplementing

> 50,000IU/week)

> Ferritin, Serum 130 (22-322)

>

> Rheumatoid Arthritis Factor 8.0 (0.0-13.9)

> RPR non-reactive

> Sedimentation Rate-Westergren 1 (0-15)

> C-Reactive Protein 0.5 (0.0-4.9)

> Lithium, Serum <0.1 Low (.6-1.4)

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Phil, I remember you from the STM site. I'll write more later because I've

been on Armour and HC and it didn't work out well for me, at all, for a variety

of reasons. For now though, does LabCorp have a comparable Estradiol test to

Quest's? I prefer to use LabCorp. I'm going to try to get my endo to write the

order tomorrow.

Thanks,

>

> > From: jasrich <jasrich100@...>

> > Subject: Introduction and labs

> >

> > Date: Friday, April 23, 2010, 10:11 AM

> > Hi all, I'm 42 years old and I have

> > been struggling with thyroid issues for the past five years

> > - I have Hashis, Graves and . I'm currently taking 112mcg of

> > Levoxyl and 40mcg of SRT3 split into two doses per day. I

> > also take 5mg of Tapazole which has reduced the Graves

> > antibodies to low normal which is where they need to be.

> > This combo has my thyroid levels about where they need to be

> > but I still don't feel great much of the time. I saw another

> > " wellness doc " a couple of months ago and she ran all of the

> > sex hormones. I've pasted my labs below and would appreciate

> > any commments or suggestions.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

> >

> > FT4 1.43 (.82-1.77)

> > FT3 3.9 (2.0-4.4)

> > AM Cortisol (taken fasting at 8:30AM) 12.5 (6.2-19.4)

> > PM Cortisol (taken at 4:30PM) 7.8 (2.3-11.9)

> >

> > Glucose 86 (65-99)

> >

> > Iron and TIBC

> > UIBC 139 Low (150-375)

> >

> > Vitamin B12 and Folate

> > B12 743 (211-911)

> > Folate (Folic Acid) >24.0

> >

> > Testosterone, Free Direct 11.0 (6.8-21.5)

> > Testosterone, Serum 829 (28-800)

> > Estrogens, Total 86 (40-115)

> > Estrone, Serum 23 (12-72)

> > IGF-1 205 (101-267)

> > FSH 5.8 (1.5-12.4)

> > LH 3.5 (1.7-8.6)

> > Sex Horm Binding Glob 68.3 High (14.5-48.4)

> > PSA 0.7 (0.0 - 4.0)

> >

> > Vitamin D, 25-Hydroxy 59.8 (32-100) (supplementing

> > 50,000IU/week)

> > Ferritin, Serum 130 (22-322)

> >

> > Rheumatoid Arthritis Factor 8.0 (0.0-13.9)

> > RPR non-reactive

> > Sedimentation Rate-Westergren 1 (0-15)

> > C-Reactive Protein 0.5 (0.0-4.9)

> > Lithium, Serum <0.1 Low (.6-1.4)

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Yes Labcorp has a Estradiol Sensitive test

Estradiol, Sensitive

Synonyms:

E2

Estradiol-17-β

Test Number: 140244 CPT Code: 82670

I talk to so many people I can't keep track but I hope this helps.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jasrich <jasrich100@...>

> Subject: Re: Introduction and labs

>

> Date: Sunday, April 25, 2010, 12:49 PM

> Hi Phil, I remember you from the STM

> site. I'll write more later because I've been on Armour and

> HC and it didn't work out well for me, at all, for a variety

> of reasons. For now though, does LabCorp have a comparable

> Estradiol test to Quest's? I prefer to use LabCorp. I'm

> going to try to get my endo to write the order tomorrow.

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

>

> >

> > > From: jasrich <jasrich100@...>

> > > Subject: Introduction and labs

> > >

> > > Date: Friday, April 23, 2010, 10:11 AM

> > > Hi all, I'm 42 years old and I have

> > > been struggling with thyroid issues for the past

> five years

> > > - I have Hashis, Graves and . I'm currently

> taking 112mcg of

> > > Levoxyl and 40mcg of SRT3 split into two doses

> per day. I

> > > also take 5mg of Tapazole which has reduced the

> Graves

> > > antibodies to low normal which is where they need

> to be.

> > > This combo has my thyroid levels about where they

> need to be

> > > but I still don't feel great much of the time. I

> saw another

> > > " wellness doc " a couple of months ago and she ran

> all of the

> > > sex hormones. I've pasted my labs below and would

> appreciate

> > > any commments or suggestions.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > FT4 1.43 (.82-1.77)

> > > FT3 3.9 (2.0-4.4)

> > > AM Cortisol (taken fasting at 8:30AM) 12.5

> (6.2-19.4)

> > > PM Cortisol (taken at 4:30PM) 7.8 (2.3-11.9)

> > >

> > > Glucose 86 (65-99)

> > >

> > > Iron and TIBC

> > > UIBC 139 Low (150-375)

> > >

> > > Vitamin B12 and Folate

> > > B12 743 (211-911)

> > > Folate (Folic Acid) >24.0

> > >

> > > Testosterone, Free Direct 11.0 (6.8-21.5)

> > > Testosterone, Serum 829 (28-800)

> > > Estrogens, Total 86 (40-115)

> > > Estrone, Serum 23 (12-72)

> > > IGF-1 205 (101-267)

> > > FSH 5.8 (1.5-12.4)

> > > LH 3.5 (1.7-8.6)

> > > Sex Horm Binding Glob 68.3 High (14.5-48.4)

> > > PSA 0.7 (0.0 - 4.0)

> > >

> > > Vitamin D, 25-Hydroxy 59.8 (32-100)

> (supplementing

> > > 50,000IU/week)

> > > Ferritin, Serum 130 (22-322)

> > >

> > > Rheumatoid Arthritis Factor 8.0 (0.0-13.9)

> > > RPR non-reactive

> > > Sedimentation Rate-Westergren 1 (0-15)

> > > C-Reactive Protein 0.5 (0.0-4.9)

> > > Lithium, Serum <0.1 Low (.6-1.4)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Oh, sure, no problem, didn't expect you to remember me out of thousands of

posts. Here are my saliva labs from last June (ZRT):

Estradiol (saliva) 1.2 pg/ml 0.5-2.2

Progesterone (saliva) 22 pg/ml 12-100

Testosterone (saliva) 53 pg/ml 44-148 (Age Dependent)

DHEAS (saliva) 2.0 ng/ml 2-23 (Age Dependent)

Cortisol Morning (saliva) 5.1 ng/ml 3.7-9.5

Cortisol Noon (saliva) 1.5 ng/ml 1.2-3.0

Cortisol Evening (saliva) 0.7 ng/ml 0.6-1.9

Cortisol Night (saliva) 0.4 ng/ml 0.4-1.0

I know that they indicate AF. Here's my story.

In 2007-2008, after four years of feeling increasingly bad on Synthroid, I tried

to switch from Synthroid to Armour. When I found it to be too stimulating I

continued to research and learned about AF on the STM site and NTH Adrenals

group. I started Isocort and, when it didn't seem to be helping, switched

to HC working my way up to 37.5mg + 1mg of prednisolone and being strongly

encouraged to increase all along the way by the STM and NTH Adrenals mods. The

most Armour that I was ever able to take was 120mg and I kept on increasing to

the magic 3-5 grain mark that I was told everyone should be at for optimal

health. During this 7-8 mos I felt awful with very bad gut symptoms, insomnia,

anxiety, muscle and joint pain, etc. In the " good " column I lost almost 20 lbs

without exercising (couldn't according to the mods on STM and NTH because

of the AF) and my cholesterol dropped from 220 to 160 in three months.

Unfortunately, what we didn't know at the time is that, in addition to Hashis, I

also have Graves, or the Graves and Hashis are flip-sides of the same coin, no

one knows for sure. The theory is that, in addition to being over-stimulated by

the T3 in the Armour, my body's over-active immune system reacted to the

proteins in the porcine glandular tissue and activated Graves antibodies which

attacked my eyes, among other things. So, now, in addition to the typical hypo

and hyper symptoms, I have thyroid eye disease to deal with too.

In the spring of 2008 I switched back to synthetic thyroid meds, Levoxyl this

time instead of Synthroid, and slowly weaned off of HC over six painful months

that ended in October of 2008. In Feb. of 2009 I went to the Cleveland Clinic to

be worked up and they did the Graves antibodies test and gave my bulgy eye

problem a name. Naturally they had no suggestions to make about how to treat it

but I learned more about Graves and thyroid eye disease on a few other

groups and found out that it can be treated with anti-thyroid drugs (ATDs) like

Tapazole which have an immunomodulating effect of reducing the Graves antibodies

which has worked for me - ABs have come down from 265 to 63 with anything up to

129 being " normal. " Many people who take ATDs end up going hypo so those with

good docs end up taking small doses of the ATDs and small doses of thyroid

hormone to " add back " or " replace " the thyroid hormone while the ATDs do their

work.

That's what I have been doing for a year now. I was still feeling lousy on that

protocol taking as much as 137mcg of Levo so I asked my doc to add slow-release

T3. We started out at 5mcg last June and now we're up to 20mcg 2x/day + 112mcg

of Levo + 5mg of Tapazole. As you can see from my most recent labs, my thyroid

levels are pretty good on the combo - T3 had been stuck at around 3 for months

until the last increase. I have found that I can tolerate the time-release T3

much better than I could ever tolerate Cytomel or Armour but I doubt that I am

even close to optimized right now.

Despite the decent looking thyroid labs, I feel lousy much of the time with lots

of muscle and joints aches, especially in neck, shoulders, upper back, upper

thighs (this is most recent), knees, hips, and feet, a super sensitive gut

despite cutting out gluten, caffeine, alcohol, most dairy, soy and other

processed foods, depression, anxiety, on and off urinary symptoms, swollen

throat in the thyroid area, shortness of breath, especially during exercise and

the day after, and, of course, insomnia such that I have to take meds to sleep

every night (I was on Klonopin but weaned off of that too so now I'm taking a

very low dose of Seroquel). I have little to no sex drive but my wife left me in

the middle of all of this so I really don't care much about that right now but

it is interesting to the extent that it is symptomatic of something. A few

people on another group suggested getting the sex hormones tested and to check

out Dr. Crissler which is what led me here. I'm currently living in SC but

thinking of moving back to NW OH which is within driving distance of Dr. C in

Lansing. I just called my endo's office today and asked him to add the Estradiol

test to my the thyroid labs that I am supposed to have done.

Another interesting data point is that my RT3 has been as high as 550 and as low

as 200, most recently, without ever stopping T4 meds.

That's about it. Sorry to everyone for the length.

> > >

> > > > From: jasrich <jasrich100@>

> > > > Subject: Introduction and labs

> > > >

> > > > Date: Friday, April 23, 2010, 10:11 AM

> > > > Hi all, I'm 42 years old and I have

> > > > been struggling with thyroid issues for the past

> > five years

> > > > - I have Hashis, Graves and . I'm currently

> > taking 112mcg of

> > > > Levoxyl and 40mcg of SRT3 split into two doses

> > per day. I

> > > > also take 5mg of Tapazole which has reduced the

> > Graves

> > > > antibodies to low normal which is where they need

> > to be.

> > > > This combo has my thyroid levels about where they

> > need to be

> > > > but I still don't feel great much of the time. I

> > saw another

> > > > " wellness doc " a couple of months ago and she ran

> > all of the

> > > > sex hormones. I've pasted my labs below and would

> > appreciate

> > > > any commments or suggestions.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > FT4 1.43 (.82-1.77)

> > > > FT3 3.9 (2.0-4.4)

> > > > AM Cortisol (taken fasting at 8:30AM) 12.5

> > (6.2-19.4)

> > > > PM Cortisol (taken at 4:30PM) 7.8 (2.3-11.9)

> > > >

> > > > Glucose 86 (65-99)

> > > >

> > > > Iron and TIBC

> > > > UIBC 139 Low (150-375)

> > > >

> > > > Vitamin B12 and Folate

> > > > B12 743 (211-911)

> > > > Folate (Folic Acid) >24.0

> > > >

> > > > Testosterone, Free Direct 11.0 (6.8-21.5)

> > > > Testosterone, Serum 829 (28-800)

> > > > Estrogens, Total 86 (40-115)

> > > > Estrone, Serum 23 (12-72)

> > > > IGF-1 205 (101-267)

> > > > FSH 5.8 (1.5-12.4)

> > > > LH 3.5 (1.7-8.6)

> > > > Sex Horm Binding Glob 68.3 High (14.5-48.4)

> > > > PSA 0.7 (0.0 - 4.0)

> > > >

> > > > Vitamin D, 25-Hydroxy 59.8 (32-100)

> > (supplementing

> > > > 50,000IU/week)

> > > > Ferritin, Serum 130 (22-322)

> > > >

> > > > Rheumatoid Arthritis Factor 8.0 (0.0-13.9)

> > > > RPR non-reactive

> > > > Sedimentation Rate-Westergren 1 (0-15)

> > > > C-Reactive Protein 0.5 (0.0-4.9)

> > > > Lithium, Serum <0.1 Low (.6-1.4)

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Wow you have been down that dam road big time. I don't know who told you at

STTM site to do so much Armour I allways told people to do what made them feel

better. Sorry you had to go through all that crap. You do know you can't go by

your Saliva labs for sex hormones they are never any good. Best to do blood

labs. All the mods from STTM went to RTH I still do the Men's Only Thyroid but

we can't talk about Adreanls there.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/

Dr. is the best here is a link to his forum you can post there just like

you did here.

http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=2

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jasrich <jasrich100@...>

> Subject: Re: Introduction and labs

>

> Date: Monday, April 26, 2010, 3:07 PM

> Oh, sure, no problem, didn't expect

> you to remember me out of thousands of posts. Here are my

> saliva labs from last June (ZRT):

>

> Estradiol (saliva) 1.2 pg/ml 0.5-2.2

> Progesterone (saliva) 22 pg/ml 12-100

> Testosterone (saliva) 53 pg/ml 44-148 (Age Dependent)

> DHEAS (saliva) 2.0 ng/ml 2-23 (Age Dependent)

> Cortisol Morning (saliva) 5.1 ng/ml 3.7-9.5

> Cortisol Noon (saliva) 1.5 ng/ml 1.2-3.0

> Cortisol Evening (saliva) 0.7 ng/ml 0.6-1.9

> Cortisol Night (saliva) 0.4 ng/ml 0.4-1.0

>

> I know that they indicate AF. Here's my story.

>

> In 2007-2008, after four years of feeling increasingly bad

> on Synthroid, I tried to switch from Synthroid to Armour.

> When I found it to be too stimulating I continued to

> research and learned about AF on the STM site and NTH

> Adrenals group. I started Isocort and, when it didn't

> seem to be helping, switched to HC working my way up to

> 37.5mg + 1mg of prednisolone and being strongly encouraged

> to increase all along the way by the STM and NTH Adrenals

> mods. The most Armour that I was ever able to take was 120mg

> and I kept on increasing to the magic 3-5 grain mark that I

> was told everyone should be at for optimal health. During

> this 7-8 mos I felt awful with very bad gut symptoms,

> insomnia, anxiety, muscle and joint pain, etc. In the " good "

> column I lost almost 20 lbs without exercising (couldn't

> according to the mods on STM and NTH because of the

> AF) and my cholesterol dropped from 220 to 160 in three

> months.

>

> Unfortunately, what we didn't know at the time is that, in

> addition to Hashis, I also have Graves, or the Graves and

> Hashis are flip-sides of the same coin, no one knows for

> sure. The theory is that, in addition to being

> over-stimulated by the T3 in the Armour, my body's

> over-active immune system reacted to the proteins in the

> porcine glandular tissue and activated Graves antibodies

> which attacked my eyes, among other things. So, now, in

> addition to the typical hypo and hyper symptoms, I have

> thyroid eye disease to deal with too.

>

> In the spring of 2008 I switched back to synthetic thyroid

> meds, Levoxyl this time instead of Synthroid, and slowly

> weaned off of HC over six painful months that ended in

> October of 2008. In Feb. of 2009 I went to the Cleveland

> Clinic to be worked up and they did the Graves antibodies

> test and gave my bulgy eye problem a name. Naturally they

> had no suggestions to make about how to treat it but I

> learned more about Graves and thyroid eye disease on a few

> other and found out that it can be treated with

> anti-thyroid drugs (ATDs) like Tapazole which have an

> immunomodulating effect of reducing the Graves antibodies

> which has worked for me - ABs have come down from 265 to 63

> with anything up to 129 being " normal. " Many people who take

> ATDs end up going hypo so those with good docs end up taking

> small doses of the ATDs and small doses of thyroid hormone

> to " add back " or " replace " the thyroid hormone while the

> ATDs do their work.

>

> That's what I have been doing for a year now. I was still

> feeling lousy on that protocol taking as much as 137mcg of

> Levo so I asked my doc to add slow-release T3. We started

> out at 5mcg last June and now we're up to 20mcg 2x/day +

> 112mcg of Levo + 5mg of Tapazole. As you can see from my

> most recent labs, my thyroid levels are pretty good on the

> combo - T3 had been stuck at around 3 for months until the

> last increase. I have found that I can tolerate the

> time-release T3 much better than I could ever tolerate

> Cytomel or Armour but I doubt that I am even close to

> optimized right now.

>

> Despite the decent looking thyroid labs, I feel lousy much

> of the time with lots of muscle and joints aches, especially

> in neck, shoulders, upper back, upper thighs (this is most

> recent), knees, hips, and feet, a super sensitive gut

> despite cutting out gluten, caffeine, alcohol, most dairy,

> soy and other processed foods, depression, anxiety, on and

> off urinary symptoms, swollen throat in the thyroid area,

> shortness of breath, especially during exercise and the day

> after, and, of course, insomnia such that I have to take

> meds to sleep every night (I was on Klonopin but weaned off

> of that too so now I'm taking a very low dose of Seroquel).

> I have little to no sex drive but my wife left me in the

> middle of all of this so I really don't care much about that

> right now but it is interesting to the extent that it is

> symptomatic of something. A few people on another group

> suggested getting the sex hormones tested and to check out

> Dr. Crissler which is what led me here. I'm currently living

> in SC but thinking of moving back to NW OH which is within

> driving distance of Dr. C in Lansing. I just called my

> endo's office today and asked him to add the Estradiol test

> to my the thyroid labs that I am supposed to have done.

>

> Another interesting data point is that my RT3 has been as

> high as 550 and as low as 200, most recently, without ever

> stopping T4 meds.

>

> That's about it. Sorry to everyone for the length.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > > From: jasrich <jasrich100@>

> > > > > Subject: Introduction

> and labs

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Friday, April 23, 2010, 10:11 AM

> > > > > Hi all, I'm 42 years old and I have

> > > > > been struggling with thyroid issues for

> the past

> > > five years

> > > > > - I have Hashis, Graves and . I'm

> currently

> > > taking 112mcg of

> > > > > Levoxyl and 40mcg of SRT3 split into

> two doses

> > > per day. I

> > > > > also take 5mg of Tapazole which has

> reduced the

> > > Graves

> > > > > antibodies to low normal which is where

> they need

> > > to be.

> > > > > This combo has my thyroid levels about

> where they

> > > need to be

> > > > > but I still don't feel great much of

> the time. I

> > > saw another

> > > > > " wellness doc " a couple of months ago

> and she ran

> > > all of the

> > > > > sex hormones. I've pasted my labs below

> and would

> > > appreciate

> > > > > any commments or suggestions.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > FT4 1.43 (.82-1.77)

> > > > > FT3 3.9 (2.0-4.4)

> > > > > AM Cortisol (taken fasting at 8:30AM)

> 12.5

> > > (6.2-19.4)

> > > > > PM Cortisol (taken at 4:30PM) 7.8

> (2.3-11.9)

> > > > >

> > > > > Glucose 86 (65-99)

> > > > >

> > > > > Iron and TIBC

> > > > > UIBC 139 Low (150-375)

> > > > >

> > > > > Vitamin B12 and Folate

> > > > > B12 743 (211-911)

> > > > > Folate (Folic Acid) >24.0

> > > > >

> > > > > Testosterone, Free Direct 11.0

> (6.8-21.5)

> > > > > Testosterone, Serum 829 (28-800)

> > > > > Estrogens, Total 86 (40-115)

> > > > > Estrone, Serum 23 (12-72)

> > > > > IGF-1 205 (101-267)

> > > > > FSH 5.8 (1.5-12.4)

> > > > > LH 3.5 (1.7-8.6)

> > > > > Sex Horm Binding Glob 68.3 High

> (14.5-48.4)

> > > > > PSA 0.7 (0.0 - 4.0)

> > > > >

> > > > > Vitamin D, 25-Hydroxy 59.8 (32-100)

> > > (supplementing

> > > > > 50,000IU/week)

> > > > > Ferritin, Serum 130 (22-322)

> > > > >

> > > > > Rheumatoid Arthritis Factor 8.0

> (0.0-13.9)

> > > > > RPR non-reactive

> > > > > Sedimentation Rate-Westergren 1 (0-15)

> > > > > C-Reactive Protein 0.5 (0.0-4.9)

> > > > > Lithium, Serum <0.1 Low (.6-1.4)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry, I started out on STTM but changed to RTM because that was right around

the time that the forums moved. It was more the people on the NTH groups

that were encouraging the 3 grains or more of Armour but mods on NTH and RTM

were all for 20mgs of HC and up and it seemed like we were always being told

that weren't on enough. I have a real problem with RTM and that prohibition

against talking about adrenals is a good example of why because it makes no

sense considering that no one is supposed to be even treating thyroid before

considering and treating adrenals. Anyway, that's OT here so I'll leave it

alone. I'm waiting to hear back from my endo to see whether he'll order the

Estradiol for me. I'll read up on Dr. C's forum in the meantime, thanks for the

link.

>

> Wow you have been down that dam road big time. I don't know who told you at

STTM site to do so much Armour I allways told people to do what made them feel

better. Sorry you had to go through all that crap. You do know you can't go by

your Saliva labs for sex hormones they are never any good. Best to do blood

labs. All the mods from STTM went to RTH I still do the Men's Only Thyroid but

we can't talk about Adreanls there.

> http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/

> Dr. is the best here is a link to his forum you can post there just like

you did here.

> http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=2

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

[Guest guest]

IT was talking about Cortisol and Adrenals that did the forums in at STTM. She

closed them because she was threatened with a law suit.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jasrich <jasrich100@...>

> Subject: Re: Introduction and labs

>

> Date: Tuesday, April 27, 2010, 10:31 AM

> Sorry, I started out on STTM but

> changed to RTM because that was right around the time that

> the forums moved. It was more the people on the NTH

> groups that were encouraging the 3 grains or more of Armour

> but mods on NTH and RTM were all for 20mgs of HC and up and

> it seemed like we were always being told that weren't on

> enough. I have a real problem with RTM and that prohibition

> against talking about adrenals is a good example of why

> because it makes no sense considering that no one is

> supposed to be even treating thyroid before considering and

> treating adrenals. Anyway, that's OT here so I'll leave it

> alone. I'm waiting to hear back from my endo to see whether

> he'll order the Estradiol for me. I'll read up on Dr. C's

> forum in the meantime, thanks for the link.

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Wow you have been down that dam road big time.  I

> don't know who told you at STTM site to do so much Armour I

> allways told people to do what made them feel better. 

> Sorry you had to go through all that crap.  You do know

> you can't go by your Saliva labs for sex hormones they are

> never any good.  Best to do blood labs.  All the

> mods from STTM went to RTH I still do the Men's Only Thyroid

> but we can't talk about Adreanls there.

> > http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/

> > Dr. is the best here is a link to his forum you

> can post there just like you did here.

> > http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=2

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Does Dr. C test and treat for thyroid and adrenals too? Would he be able to work

with me with this anti-thyroid drug + T4 + T3 cocktail that I'm on? My endo

wouldn't write the order to test my Estradiol so I'm going to need to find

someone who will. I know that something is off because libido is very low and no

night-time or morning wood anymore.

[Guest guest]

,

Two weeks ago I went to see Dr. C.  He diagnosed me with (potentially) adrenal

fatigue.  He put me on TRT and then he is going to run some tests one month

from when I started (two weeks hence).  Therefore, the answer is " Yes " to your

question; he treats all of these problems (as far as I can tell).

Bill

________________________________

From: jasrich <jasrich100@...>

Sent: Wed, April 28, 2010 10:34:51 AM

Subject: Re: Introduction and labs

 

Does Dr. C test and treat for thyroid and adrenals too? Would he be able to work

with me with this anti-thyroid drug + T4 + T3 cocktail that I'm on? My endo

wouldn't write the order to test my Estradiol so I'm going to need to find

someone who will. I know that something is off because libido is very low and no

night-time or morning wood anymore.

[Guest guest]

I am not sure how you what to do this you can order your own Estradiol Sensitive

test from LEF. but you need to call them and tell them the number of the the

test it's this.

Estradiol, Sensitive

Synonyms:

E2

Estradiol-17-β

Test Number: 140244 CPT Code: 82670

Here is a link to LEF testing site.

http://www.lef.org/BloodTest/

Then if your to high you can buy Arimidex from the ADC or get some Liquidex or

Indolplex/DIM. Just let me know what your levels come back at. Or yes see Dr.

he us dam good at thyroid and Adrenals.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jasrich <jasrich100@...>

> Subject: Re: Introduction and labs

>

> Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 10:34 AM

> Does Dr. C test and treat for thyroid

> and adrenals too? Would he be able to work with me with this

> anti-thyroid drug + T4 + T3 cocktail that I'm on? My endo

> wouldn't write the order to test my Estradiol so I'm going

> to need to find someone who will. I know that something is

> off because libido is very low and no night-time or morning

> wood anymore.

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Phil, all, I got some lab results back today:

Estradiol, Sensitive 7 (3-70)

Vitamin D, 25-Hydroxy 83.8 (32-100)

TSH 0.016 (0.450-4.500)

FT4 1.39 (0.82-1.77)

FT3 5.1 (2.0-4.4)

Apparently I don't have an estrogen problem after all. Vitamin D is up from mid

50's so the 50,000IU/week that I have been taking is working along with getting

outside more. FT4 has been pegged at 1.39 for the past few labs. FT3 has been

headed up the past few labs and is now a little high so, along with the very low

TSH I might need to ease back on the SRT3 that I'm taking - I have a call in to

my endo about that. I made my appt with Dr. for next month and sent my

questionnaire to him via e-mail today.

Thanks,

> > >

> > > > From: jasrich <jasrich100@>

> > > > Subject: Introduction and labs

> > > >

> > > > Date: Friday, April 23, 2010, 10:11 AM

> > > > Hi all, I'm 42 years old and I have

> > > > been struggling with thyroid issues for the past

> > five years

> > > > - I have Hashis, Graves and . I'm currently

> > taking 112mcg of

> > > > Levoxyl and 40mcg of SRT3 split into two doses

> > per day. I

> > > > also take 5mg of Tapazole which has reduced the

> > Graves

> > > > antibodies to low normal which is where they need

> > to be.

> > > > This combo has my thyroid levels about where they

> > need to be

> > > > but I still don't feel great much of the time. I

> > saw another

> > > > " wellness doc " a couple of months ago and she ran

> > all of the

> > > > sex hormones. I've pasted my labs below and would

> > appreciate

> > > > any commments or suggestions.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > FT4 1.43 (.82-1.77)

> > > > FT3 3.9 (2.0-4.4)

> > > > AM Cortisol (taken fasting at 8:30AM) 12.5

> > (6.2-19.4)

> > > > PM Cortisol (taken at 4:30PM) 7.8 (2.3-11.9)

> > > >

> > > > Glucose 86 (65-99)

> > > >

> > > > Iron and TIBC

> > > > UIBC 139 Low (150-375)

> > > >

> > > > Vitamin B12 and Folate

> > > > B12 743 (211-911)

> > > > Folate (Folic Acid) >24.0

> > > >

> > > > Testosterone, Free Direct 11.0 (6.8-21.5)

> > > > Testosterone, Serum 829 (28-800)

> > > > Estrogens, Total 86 (40-115)

> > > > Estrone, Serum 23 (12-72)

> > > > IGF-1 205 (101-267)

> > > > FSH 5.8 (1.5-12.4)

> > > > LH 3.5 (1.7-8.6)

> > > > Sex Horm Binding Glob 68.3 High (14.5-48.4)

> > > > PSA 0.7 (0.0 - 4.0)

> > > >

> > > > Vitamin D, 25-Hydroxy 59.8 (32-100)

> > (supplementing

> > > > 50,000IU/week)

> > > > Ferritin, Serum 130 (22-322)

> > > >

> > > > Rheumatoid Arthritis Factor 8.0 (0.0-13.9)

> > > > RPR non-reactive

> > > > Sedimentation Rate-Westergren 1 (0-15)

> > > > C-Reactive Protein 0.5 (0.0-4.9)

> > > > Lithium, Serum <0.1 Low (.6-1.4)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

What are you taking to keep your Estradiol levels in check your way to low stop

what your taking. Do you get night time wood or can you get it up for sex.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jasrich <jasrich100@...>

> Subject: Re: Introduction and labs

>

> Date: Friday, May 14, 2010, 11:07 AM

> Hi Phil, all, I got some lab results

> back today:

>

> Estradiol, Sensitive 7 (3-70)

> Vitamin D, 25-Hydroxy 83.8 (32-100)

>

> TSH 0.016 (0.450-4.500)

> FT4 1.39 (0.82-1.77)

> FT3 5.1 (2.0-4.4)

>

> Apparently I don't have an estrogen problem after all.

> Vitamin D is up from mid 50's so the 50,000IU/week that I

> have been taking is working along with getting outside more.

> FT4 has been pegged at 1.39 for the past few labs. FT3 has

> been headed up the past few labs and is now a little high

> so, along with the very low TSH I might need to ease back on

> the SRT3 that I'm taking - I have a call in to my endo about

> that. I made my appt with Dr. for next month and sent

> my questionnaire to him via e-mail today.

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > > From: jasrich <jasrich100@>

> > > > > Subject: Introduction

> and labs

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Friday, April 23, 2010, 10:11 AM

> > > > > Hi all, I'm 42 years old and I have

> > > > > been struggling with thyroid issues for

> the past

> > > five years

> > > > > - I have Hashis, Graves and . I'm

> currently

> > > taking 112mcg of

> > > > > Levoxyl and 40mcg of SRT3 split into

> two doses

> > > per day. I

> > > > > also take 5mg of Tapazole which has

> reduced the

> > > Graves

> > > > > antibodies to low normal which is where

> they need

> > > to be.

> > > > > This combo has my thyroid levels about

> where they

> > > need to be

> > > > > but I still don't feel great much of

> the time. I

> > > saw another

> > > > > " wellness doc " a couple of months ago

> and she ran

> > > all of the

> > > > > sex hormones. I've pasted my labs below

> and would

> > > appreciate

> > > > > any commments or suggestions.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > FT4 1.43 (.82-1.77)

> > > > > FT3 3.9 (2.0-4.4)

> > > > > AM Cortisol (taken fasting at 8:30AM)

> 12.5

> > > (6.2-19.4)

> > > > > PM Cortisol (taken at 4:30PM) 7.8

> (2.3-11.9)

> > > > >

> > > > > Glucose 86 (65-99)

> > > > >

> > > > > Iron and TIBC

> > > > > UIBC 139 Low (150-375)

> > > > >

> > > > > Vitamin B12 and Folate

> > > > > B12 743 (211-911)

> > > > > Folate (Folic Acid) >24.0

> > > > >

> > > > > Testosterone, Free Direct 11.0

> (6.8-21.5)

> > > > > Testosterone, Serum 829 (28-800)

> > > > > Estrogens, Total 86 (40-115)

> > > > > Estrone, Serum 23 (12-72)

> > > > > IGF-1 205 (101-267)

> > > > > FSH 5.8 (1.5-12.4)

> > > > > LH 3.5 (1.7-8.6)

> > > > > Sex Horm Binding Glob 68.3 High

> (14.5-48.4)

> > > > > PSA 0.7 (0.0 - 4.0)

> > > > >

> > > > > Vitamin D, 25-Hydroxy 59.8 (32-100)

> > > (supplementing

> > > > > 50,000IU/week)

> > > > > Ferritin, Serum 130 (22-322)

> > > > >

> > > > > Rheumatoid Arthritis Factor 8.0

> (0.0-13.9)

> > > > > RPR non-reactive

> > > > > Sedimentation Rate-Westergren 1 (0-15)

> > > > > C-Reactive Protein 0.5 (0.0-4.9)

> > > > > Lithium, Serum <0.1 Low (.6-1.4)

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

I'm not taking anything to keep the E down other than 100mg of Resveratrol

once/day and I haven't even been taking that regularly. Except for a few

occasions lately, including last night coincidentally, I have not been getting

night-time wood for the past several months. Maybe it has been longer but I

didn't miss it until recently when I started following this group. I haven't had

sex in a good long while (wife left me over a year ago) so I can't answer that

question.

> > > > >

> > > > > > From: jasrich <jasrich100@>

> > > > > > Subject: Introduction

> > and labs

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Date: Friday, April 23, 2010, 10:11 AM

> > > > > > Hi all, I'm 42 years old and I have

> > > > > > been struggling with thyroid issues for

> > the past

> > > > five years

> > > > > > - I have Hashis, Graves and . I'm

> > currently

> > > > taking 112mcg of

> > > > > > Levoxyl and 40mcg of SRT3 split into

> > two doses

> > > > per day. I

> > > > > > also take 5mg of Tapazole which has

> > reduced the

> > > > Graves

> > > > > > antibodies to low normal which is where

> > they need

> > > > to be.

> > > > > > This combo has my thyroid levels about

> > where they

> > > > need to be

> > > > > > but I still don't feel great much of

> > the time. I

> > > > saw another

> > > > > > " wellness doc " a couple of months ago

> > and she ran

> > > > all of the

> > > > > > sex hormones. I've pasted my labs below

> > and would

> > > > appreciate

> > > > > > any commments or suggestions.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > FT4 1.43 (.82-1.77)

> > > > > > FT3 3.9 (2.0-4.4)

> > > > > > AM Cortisol (taken fasting at 8:30AM)

> > 12.5

> > > > (6.2-19.4)

> > > > > > PM Cortisol (taken at 4:30PM) 7.8

> > (2.3-11.9)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Glucose 86 (65-99)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Iron and TIBC

> > > > > > UIBC 139 Low (150-375)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vitamin B12 and Folate

> > > > > > B12 743 (211-911)

> > > > > > Folate (Folic Acid) >24.0

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Testosterone, Free Direct 11.0

> > (6.8-21.5)

> > > > > > Testosterone, Serum 829 (28-800)

> > > > > > Estrogens, Total 86 (40-115)

> > > > > > Estrone, Serum 23 (12-72)

> > > > > > IGF-1 205 (101-267)

> > > > > > FSH 5.8 (1.5-12.4)

> > > > > > LH 3.5 (1.7-8.6)

> > > > > > Sex Horm Binding Glob 68.3 High

> > (14.5-48.4)

> > > > > > PSA 0.7 (0.0 - 4.0)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vitamin D, 25-Hydroxy 59.8 (32-100)

> > > > (supplementing

> > > > > > 50,000IU/week)

> > > > > > Ferritin, Serum 130 (22-322)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rheumatoid Arthritis Factor 8.0

> > (0.0-13.9)

> > > > > > RPR non-reactive

> > > > > > Sedimentation Rate-Westergren 1 (0-15)

> > > > > > C-Reactive Protein 0.5 (0.0-4.9)

> > > > > > Lithium, Serum <0.1 Low (.6-1.4)

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

There some men that have low E2 levels and going on TRT with HCG will brind them

up. Shots work the best for me.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jasrich <jasrich100@...>

> Subject: Re: Introduction and labs

>

> Date: Friday, May 14, 2010, 1:54 PM

> I'm not taking anything to keep the E

> down other than 100mg of Resveratrol once/day and I haven't

> even been taking that regularly. Except for a few occasions

> lately, including last night coincidentally, I have not been

> getting night-time wood for the past several months. Maybe

> it has been longer but I didn't miss it until recently when

> I started following this group. I haven't had sex in a good

> long while (wife left me over a year ago) so I can't answer

> that question.

>

>

>

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > From: jasrich

> <jasrich100@>

> > > > > > > Subject:

> Introduction

> > > and labs

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Date: Friday, April 23, 2010,

> 10:11 AM

> > > > > > > Hi all, I'm 42 years old and

> I have

> > > > > > > been struggling with thyroid

> issues for

> > > the past

> > > > > five years

> > > > > > > - I have Hashis, Graves and .

> I'm

> > > currently

> > > > > taking 112mcg of

> > > > > > > Levoxyl and 40mcg of SRT3

> split into

> > > two doses

> > > > > per day. I

> > > > > > > also take 5mg of Tapazole

> which has

> > > reduced the

> > > > > Graves

> > > > > > > antibodies to low normal

> which is where

> > > they need

> > > > > to be.

> > > > > > > This combo has my thyroid

> levels about

> > > where they

> > > > > need to be

> > > > > > > but I still don't feel great

> much of

> > > the time. I

> > > > > saw another

> > > > > > > " wellness doc " a couple of

> months ago

> > > and she ran

> > > > > all of the

> > > > > > > sex hormones. I've pasted my

> labs below

> > > and would

> > > > > appreciate

> > > > > > > any commments or

> suggestions.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > FT4 1.43 (.82-1.77)

> > > > > > > FT3 3.9 (2.0-4.4)

> > > > > > > AM Cortisol (taken fasting at

> 8:30AM)

> > > 12.5

> > > > > (6.2-19.4)

> > > > > > > PM Cortisol (taken at 4:30PM)

> 7.8

> > > (2.3-11.9)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Glucose 86 (65-99)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Iron and TIBC

> > > > > > > UIBC 139 Low (150-375)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vitamin B12 and Folate

> > > > > > > B12 743 (211-911)

> > > > > > > Folate (Folic Acid) >24.0

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Testosterone, Free Direct

> 11.0

> > > (6.8-21.5)

> > > > > > > Testosterone, Serum 829

> (28-800)

> > > > > > > Estrogens, Total 86 (40-115)

> > > > > > > Estrone, Serum 23 (12-72)

> > > > > > > IGF-1 205 (101-267)

> > > > > > > FSH 5.8 (1.5-12.4)

> > > > > > > LH 3.5 (1.7-8.6)

> > > > > > > Sex Horm Binding Glob 68.3

> High

> > > (14.5-48.4)

> > > > > > > PSA 0.7 (0.0 - 4.0)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vitamin D, 25-Hydroxy 59.8

> (32-100)

> > > > > (supplementing

> > > > > > > 50,000IU/week)

> > > > > > > Ferritin, Serum 130 (22-322)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rheumatoid Arthritis Factor

> 8.0

> > > (0.0-13.9)

> > > > > > > RPR non-reactive

> > > > > > > Sedimentation Rate-Westergren

> 1 (0-15)

> > > > > > > C-Reactive Protein 0.5

> (0.0-4.9)

> > > > > > > Lithium, Serum <0.1 Low

> (.6-1.4)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> ------------------------------------

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Do I want to bring E levels up? I thought that we want them low?

>

> There some men that have low E2 levels and going on TRT with HCG will brind

them up. Shots work the best for me.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

[Guest guest]

The best levels for Estradiol in men is about 20 pg/ml if you are to low this is

just as bad as being to high. Estradiol is made from Testosterone some men that

are very low on Testosterone have very low levels of Estradiol. Going on TRT

beings them levels back up Shots work the best at this.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jasrich <jasrich100@...>

> Subject: Re: Introduction and labs

>

> Date: Friday, May 14, 2010, 8:18 PM

> Do I want to bring E levels up? I

> thought that we want them low?

>

>

>

>

> >

> > There some men that have low E2 levels and going on

> TRT with HCG will brind them up.  Shots work the best

> for me.

> > Co-Moderator

> > Phil

> >

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

What if my T isn't low? Would I still need TRT? These were my labs in March:

Testosterone, Free Direct 11.0 (6.8-21.5)

Testosterone, Serum 829 (28-800)

Estrogens, Total 86 (40-115)

Estrone, Serum 23 (12-72)

IGF-1 205 (101-267)

FSH 5.8 (1.5-12.4)

LH 3.5 (1.7-8.6)

Sex Horm Binding Glob 68.3 High (14.5-48.4)

I assume that it would be better to see the sensitive E test done at the same

time as the rest and I'm sure that Dr. will want to repeat these labs, but

what might account for high T and low E?

Thanks,

> > >

> > > There some men that have low E2 levels and going on

> > TRT with HCG will brind them up.  Shots work the best

> > for me.

> > > Co-Moderator

> > > Phil

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi ! It's Barb from the thyroid/adrenal group. Yep, I'm still trying to

balance hormones but we're closing in on " optimal. " Glad to see you finally got

your Free T3 up, but it may be too high? That would account for the high SHBG.

Looks like you've got a testosterone conversion problem, cause you're producing

a good total amount. Are you bald by any chance? All your testosterone could

be going to DHT, which would explain your estrogen being low.

DH has the opposite problem, his free T and estrogen were going too high, but I

think it's possible that the nettle root he was taking may have been doing that

so recently stopped it. I would get your DHT measured.

Also interested in hearing of others' experience with nettle root.

Barb

> > > >

> > > > There some men that have low E2 levels and going on

> > > TRT with HCG will brind them up.  Shots work the best

> > > for me.

> > > > Co-Moderator

> > > > Phil

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