Re: Thyroid Question For Barb / Phil

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" marc200134470 " <cfs38@...> wrote:

> I agree, and feel things will improve. Also I had no idea that nicotine could

mess with things as well,.....you must have missed that question on the other

thread.

You're right, you mentioned snuff, and my experience is from reading the women's

forums. Can't remember anyone there EVER having that problem, but many who were

smokers had problems. I didn't connect the two.

> I just can't eat stuff with a lot of fat,....my digestive system doesn't care

much for it at all if you know what I mean!

Hmmm, I think that's gall bladder, also connected to hypothyroid. That has been

mentioned by others.

I wonder if you're celiac too, meaning intolerant to gluten in wheat, rye, and

barley. Common in people with autoimmune thyroid disease.

You sure keep my brain working Marc!

Barb

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I would hope that VERY few women use Skoal! LOL

It will be history forever by the weekend BTW, as I have wanted to quit it for

some time now anyway. Yes,.....I have all of my teeth, and they are not brown

either!

My grand-mother that is gone, and my mother both had their gall bladders

removed. I don't really think that is the issue with me though, at least not

yet. I had an abdominal ultrasound done early this summer to check my kidneys

due to my hypertension, and they looked at all of 'them there' organs.

I simply started eating healthy years ago due to all of the heart problems in

the genes. To be honest I was never into deep fried foods, or high fat stuff

going back a long time.

My mother has " IBS " which is a generic term as you know for unexplained stomach

issues. I have thought about celiac disease as well, but about all I eat is rye

bread, and the ramp up in heart rate only happens on occasion after eating. Also

I can't seem to tie it to any particular food,......I think it's simply the

state of my stomach on a given day, plus I tend to eat too fast.

I'm sure you think I am a hypochondriac at this point, but that is not the case.

I was fine until the latter part of 2009.

SOMETHING changed between then and now. I never researched anything on the

internet concerning health prior to that, but I know that something is not

correct, and I don't seem to be getting anywhere with the docs.

The answer may be as simple as letting my system heal from the toxins of alcohol

and nicotine. Also I have been through a tremendous amount of stress this past

year with my mothers health, and a few other personal things. I also seem to

think I should be able to do what I did at 25 still,......doesn't work, and I am

coming to terms with that.

>

> > I agree, and feel things will improve. Also I had no idea that nicotine

could mess with things as well,.....you must have missed that question on the

other thread.

>

> You're right, you mentioned snuff, and my experience is from reading the

women's forums. Can't remember anyone there EVER having that problem, but many

who were smokers had problems. I didn't connect the two.

>

> > I just can't eat stuff with a lot of fat,....my digestive system doesn't

care much for it at all if you know what I mean!

>

> Hmmm, I think that's gall bladder, also connected to hypothyroid. That has

been mentioned by others.

>

> I wonder if you're celiac too, meaning intolerant to gluten in wheat, rye, and

barley. Common in people with autoimmune thyroid disease.

>

> You sure keep my brain working Marc!

>

> Barb

>

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Actually most really suck at treating diabetes...too...lol... had one try to

tell me I was T2 after twenty five years as a T1....easily could have killed me

if I was stupid enough to believe him...said he was going to cure me...yeah

right....some yell at you and get all high and mighty, just a decade ago they

were telling women that hormones had no effect their blood glucose

control...well guess what I have two different basal rates for the

month....why...hormones....

Hormones are everything and endo's are supposed to specialized in the hormones

systems....geez..

Judy

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> > > Marc Endo's are the worst Dr.'s I ever seen my wife

> > had Hashimoto's thyroiditis and wasted half her life seeing

> > them and today she still is not right.

> > > Co-Moderator

> > > Phil

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Yes I learned the hard way they don't know anything about hormones.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: zashes11 <zashes11@...>

> Subject: Re: Thyroid Question For Barb / Phil

>

> Date: Thursday, September 23, 2010, 6:05 PM

> Actually most really suck at treating

> diabetes...too...lol... had one try to tell me I was T2

> after twenty five years as a T1....easily could have killed

> me if I was stupid enough to believe him...said he was going

> to cure me...yeah right....some yell at you and get all high

> and mighty, just a decade ago they were telling women that

> hormones had no effect their blood glucose control...well

> guess what I have two different basal rates for the

> month....why...hormones....

> Hormones are everything and endo's are supposed to

> specialized in the hormones systems....geez..

>

> Judy

>

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> > > > Marc Endo's are the worst Dr.'s I ever seen

> my wife

> > > had Hashimoto's thyroiditis and wasted half her

> life seeing

> > > them and today she still is not right.

> > > > Co-Moderator

> > > > Phil

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> Actually anyone that has knowledge.

> I remember someone posting about testing your body temp when you wake up one

time. I think you are supposed to use a mercury thermometer under the arm, but I

am curious how an oral digital reading would relate. I don't have an old

fashioned one! LOL

>

> The past few mornings I have been taking my oral temp as soon as I wake up. It

has been from 97.7 to 98.2 over several days.

> Just wondering how that would relate to the other method, and if it shows you

folks anything. Is the oral reading typically higher than under the arm with a

mercury bulb one?

>

There is a range of normal temperatures. Yours is well within normal. My

morning temperature averages 96.2 and my pulse rate varies between 49 and 53,

and I am still alive. My 40 year old mercury thermometer and the new digital

one usually agree within a few tenths. The digital is much easier to shake

down. Oral is typically 1 degree higher than underarm.

It is normal for pulse rate to increase after eating. Mine usually goes up by

15 to 20. It increases your metabolism to digest the food you just ate. This

is why eating 6 meals (small ones) a day helps with weight loss.

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" rayr_us " <ray89012@...> wrote:

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> There is a range of normal temperatures. Yours is well within normal. My

morning temperature averages 96.2

Morning basal temperature should be between 97.8-98.2 It should get to 98.6 in

the afternoon. Temps below this suggest hypothyroidism.

>my pulse rate varies between 49 and 53, and I am still alive.

Normal pulse is in the 70s and 80s. Your slow pulse also suggests

hypothyroidism, even bradycardia (slow heartbeat). Yes you are alive, but you

take no other medications like statins, BP meds, have digestive problems, etc?

Barb

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> >

> > There is a range of normal temperatures. Yours is well within normal. My

morning temperature averages 96.2

>

> Morning basal temperature should be between 97.8-98.2 It should get to 98.6

in the afternoon. Temps below this suggest hypothyroidism.

>

> >my pulse rate varies between 49 and 53, and I am still alive.

>

> Normal pulse is in the 70s and 80s. Your slow pulse also suggests

hypothyroidism, even bradycardia (slow heartbeat). Yes you are alive, but you

take no other medications like statins, BP meds, have digestive problems, etc?

>

> Barb

>

I take 180 mg. Nature-Throid. Free T3 and Free T4 are mid range. Tsh is .01.

I take no other medications. Doctor says pulse rate, blood pressure (typically

105/55) and temperature are normal. I am a 70 YO male BMI 24. I do not feel

hypothyroid.

If you Google on body temperature the consensus seems to be that a standard

deviation on temperature is .75 degrees. That means that 95% of the population

will be 98.2 +/- 1.5 degrees (96.7 to 99.7). In addition normal body

temperature varies over a 2 degree range.

Ray

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Ray, if you feel fine, great. But I would hardly tell people to strive for your

numbers. People get pacemakers when their pulse gets that low, and get

lightheaded upon standing with BP that low. And just cause a doc says

something's normal, hardly means it's so. Ask anyone here with " normal "

testosterone.

Any " normal " numbers on either end should be suspect. Actual " optimal " numbers

are in a much tighter range. If you were to plot the height of all males ever,

you'd have to make a graph with a low below 3' and a high near 9'. But the

cluster of where most people fall would be in a tighter range, more like 5' -

6.5' Same applies to your heart rate, BP, and temp. You are way outside the

most common values.

JMHO,

Barb

> > >

> > > There is a range of normal temperatures. Yours is well within normal. My

morning temperature averages 96.2

> >

> > Morning basal temperature should be between 97.8-98.2 It should get to 98.6

in the afternoon. Temps below this suggest hypothyroidism.

> >

> > >my pulse rate varies between 49 and 53, and I am still alive.

> >

> > Normal pulse is in the 70s and 80s. Your slow pulse also suggests

hypothyroidism, even bradycardia (slow heartbeat). Yes you are alive, but you

take no other medications like statins, BP meds, have digestive problems, etc?

> >

> > Barb

> >

>

> I take 180 mg. Nature-Throid. Free T3 and Free T4 are mid range. Tsh is .01.

I take no other medications. Doctor says pulse rate, blood pressure (typically

105/55) and temperature are normal. I am a 70 YO male BMI 24. I do not feel

hypothyroid.

>

> If you Google on body temperature the consensus seems to be that a standard

deviation on temperature is .75 degrees. That means that 95% of the population

will be 98.2 +/- 1.5 degrees (96.7 to 99.7). In addition normal body

temperature varies over a 2 degree range.

>

> Ray

>

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I can't say that I have ever heard of those numbers in a healthy male myself. I

have known a couple of females that had very low BP, and pulse rates around

55/65,......they seem to always have sweaters on.

>

> Ray, if you feel fine, great. But I would hardly tell people to strive for

your numbers. People get pacemakers when their pulse gets that low, and get

lightheaded upon standing with BP that low. And just cause a doc says

something's normal, hardly means it's so. Ask anyone here with " normal "

testosterone.

>

> Any " normal " numbers on either end should be suspect. Actual " optimal "

numbers are in a much tighter range. If you were to plot the height of all

males ever, you'd have to make a graph with a low below 3' and a high near 9'.

But the cluster of where most people fall would be in a tighter range, more like

5' - 6.5' Same applies to your heart rate, BP, and temp. You are way outside

the most common values.

>

> JMHO,

> Barb