Check out my protocol and comment please.....

[Guest guest]

Testosterone Cyp 125mg/wk split into every other day injections....injected into

the quads with 1/2 " insulin needle

Arimidex 1mg/wk split into .25mg Mon, Wed, Fri, Sun.

Waiting to start HCG and will do 250iu SC EOD [every other day]with Test shots.

Comments?

* should I add DHEA to the mix?

[Guest guest]

The needle is possibly to short. 

Both Dr. Crisler and the pharmaicist where I get my T-Cyp said I need to use a

1 " needle so as to get the T deeper into the muscle, and I'm a lean man so it's

not a " getting through a bunch of fat " issue.  At one point in time I used a

1/2 " needle.  There was a difference.  It seemed as if the T hit me stronger

if you will.  Might be because at 1/2 " it's much closer to the small blood

vessles near the skin surface so it gets into the blood stream faster and maybe

stronger (more of it it a shorter period of time).  It also didn't seem to last

as long.

I use a 22 ga. needle to draw out the T-Cyp from the vial and a 25ga. 1 " needle

to inject.  It works fine - very little, if any, pain.

FYI.

Bill

________________________________

From: banditsdad2005 <banditsdad2005@...>

Sent: Tue, June 1, 2010 9:02:22 PM

Subject: Check out my protocol and comment please.....

 

Testosterone Cyp 125mg/wk split into every other day injections....injected into

the quads with 1/2 " insulin needle

Arimidex 1mg/wk split into .25mg Mon, Wed, Fri, Sun.

Waiting to start HCG and will do 250iu SC EOD [every other day]with Test shots.

Comments?

* should I add DHEA to the mix?

[Guest guest]

One other thought; when I originally started injection therapy I was on a once a

week regiment. Now I inject twice a week. The issues such as too high of E2

seem fine now on 2x a week.

If you are using T-Pro like Phil (the co-moderator) does, I think every other

day is what you do. However, T-Cyp is longer lasting, so twice a week is

enough. Dr.Crisler, the doc who many agree is one of the best in the country on

this, is the man who told me to inject twoice a week (maybe knowing that he is

the one who told me makes you feel comfortable that 2x a week is correct). I

inject 50mg on Saturday and then on Tuesday (both in the AM).

Ain't no reason to poke yourself more than necessary.

Bill

________________________________

From: banditsdad2005 <banditsdad2005@...>

Sent: Tue, June 1, 2010 9:02:22 PM

Subject: Check out my protocol and comment please.....

Testosterone Cyp 125mg/wk split into every other day injections....injected into

the quads with 1/2 " insulin needle

Arimidex 1mg/wk split into .25mg Mon, Wed, Fri, Sun.

Waiting to start HCG and will do 250iu SC EOD [every other day]with Test shots.

Comments?

* should I add DHEA to the mix?

[Guest guest]

Small needles will reduce muscle damage. Some use #25 1 " needles, but this may

not be any " faster " than the above 50iu insulin needles.

You do not need to inject into your gluts with 1.5 " needles!

Canadian clinical research has demonstrated that TRT by SC [under the skin

injections into body fat] produce steadier testosterone levels and improves

sense of well-being. Feel free to find out what is more comfortable for you.

I have found that by doing every other day, my levels have stabilized and I do

feel better than once a week. Twice a week would probably be ok as well. The

quad injections do actually get into the muscle as I'm quite lean but IF any of

f he TES goes into the fat......see above, it's all good.

My labs have all come back solid doing it this way....Test levels upper range

and it's painless and easy. I will never do IM in the glutes with a bigger

needle again....just no need

Thanks for your reply

>

> The needle is possibly to short. 

>

> Both Dr. Crisler and the pharmaicist where I get my T-Cyp said I need to use a

1 " needle so as to get the T deeper into the muscle, and I'm a lean man so it's

not a " getting through a bunch of fat " issue.  At one point in time I used a

1/2 " needle.  There was a difference.  It seemed as if the T hit me stronger

if you will.  Might be because at 1/2 " it's much closer to the small blood

vessles near the skin surface so it gets into the blood stream faster and maybe

stronger (more of it it a shorter period of time).  It also didn't seem to last

as long.

>

> I use a 22 ga. needle to draw out the T-Cyp from the vial and a 25ga. 1 "

needle to inject.  It works fine - very little, if any, pain.

>

> FYI.

>

> Bill

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: banditsdad2005 <banditsdad2005@...>

>

> Sent: Tue, June 1, 2010 9:02:22 PM

> Subject: Check out my protocol and comment please.....

>

>  

> Testosterone Cyp 125mg/wk split into every other day injections....injected

into the quads with 1/2 " insulin needle

>

> Arimidex 1mg/wk split into .25mg Mon, Wed, Fri, Sun.

>

> Waiting to start HCG and will do 250iu SC EOD [every other day]with Test

shots.

>

> Comments?

>

> * should I add DHEA to the mix?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Small needles will reduce muscle damage. Some use #25 1 " needles, but this may

not be any " faster " than the above 50iu insulin needles.

You do not need to inject into your gluts with 1.5 " needles!

Canadian clinical research has demonstrated that TRT by SC [under the skin

injections into body fat] produce steadier testosterone levels and improves

sense of well-being. Feel free to find out what is more comfortable for you.

I have found that by doing every other day, my levels have stabilized and I do

feel better than once a week. Twice a week would probably be ok as well. The

quad injections do actually get into the muscle as I'm quite lean but IF any of

f he TES goes into the fat......see above, it's all good.

My labs have all come back solid doing it this way....Test levels upper range

and it's painless and easy. I will never do IM in the glutes with a bigger

needle again....just no need

Thanks for your reply

>

> The needle is possibly to short. 

>

> Both Dr. Crisler and the pharmaicist where I get my T-Cyp said I need to use a

1 " needle so as to get the T deeper into the muscle, and I'm a lean man so it's

not a " getting through a bunch of fat " issue.  At one point in time I used a

1/2 " needle.  There was a difference.  It seemed as if the T hit me stronger

if you will.  Might be because at 1/2 " it's much closer to the small blood

vessles near the skin surface so it gets into the blood stream faster and maybe

stronger (more of it it a shorter period of time).  It also didn't seem to last

as long.

>

> I use a 22 ga. needle to draw out the T-Cyp from the vial and a 25ga. 1 "

needle to inject.  It works fine - very little, if any, pain.

>

> FYI.

>

> Bill

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: banditsdad2005 <banditsdad2005@...>

>

> Sent: Tue, June 1, 2010 9:02:22 PM

> Subject: Check out my protocol and comment please.....

>

>  

> Testosterone Cyp 125mg/wk split into every other day injections....injected

into the quads with 1/2 " insulin needle

>

> Arimidex 1mg/wk split into .25mg Mon, Wed, Fri, Sun.

>

> Waiting to start HCG and will do 250iu SC EOD [every other day]with Test

shots.

>

> Comments?

>

> * should I add DHEA to the mix?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hmmm.. interesting. 

I agree with you, no glute shots. 

A) I can't check if I'm in a vein (I can't see the needle and pull back, all

while twisting my old back around) and   the glutes usually require a longer,

even large needle.  When Dr. Crisler's nurse gave me an injection, it went in

the glute and it hurt!  I think they used a 22 ga. 1.5 " .   Not that they

prefer glutes per se, only that for in-office shots they do glutes, not legs (at

least that's what the nurse said).

I wonder why, if shots into the fat are okay (or preferrable), that no one I've

seen, including Dr. Crisler, recommend that approach.  Not that I've seen

everything

Bill

________________________________

From: banditsdad2005 <banditsdad2005@...>

Sent: Wed, June 2, 2010 8:57:54 AM

Subject: Re: Check out my protocol and comment please.....

 

Small needles will reduce muscle damage. Some use #25 1 " needles, but this may

not be any " faster " than the above 50iu insulin needles.

You do not need to inject into your gluts with 1.5 " needles!

Canadian clinical research has demonstrated that TRT by SC [under the skin

injections into body fat] produce steadier testosterone levels and improves

sense of well-being. Feel free to find out what is more comfortable for you.

I have found that by doing every other day, my levels have stabilized and I do

feel better than once a week. Twice a week would probably be ok as well. The

quad injections do actually get into the muscle as I'm quite lean but IF any of

f he TES goes into the fat......see above, it's all good.

My labs have all come back solid doing it this way....Test levels upper range

and it's painless and easy. I will never do IM in the glutes with a bigger

needle again....just no need

Thanks for your reply

>

> The needle is possibly to short. 

>

> Both Dr. Crisler and the pharmaicist where I get my T-Cyp said I need to use a

1 " needle so as to get the T deeper into the muscle, and I'm a lean man so it's

not a " getting through a bunch of fat " issue.  At one point in time I used a

1/2 " needle.  There was a difference.  It seemed as if the T hit me

stronger if you will.  Might be because at 1/2 " it's much closer to the

small blood vessles near the skin surface so it gets into the blood stream

faster and maybe stronger (more of it it a shorter period of time).  It also

didn't seem to last as long.

>

> I use a 22 ga. needle to draw out the T-Cyp from the vial and a 25ga. 1 "

needle to inject.  It works fine - very little, if any, pain.

>

> FYI.

>

> Bill

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: banditsdad2005 <banditsdad2005@...>

>

> Sent: Tue, June 1, 2010 9:02:22 PM

> Subject: Check out my protocol and comment please.....

>

>  

> Testosterone Cyp 125mg/wk split into every other day injections....injected

into the quads with 1/2 " insulin needle

>

> Arimidex 1mg/wk split into .25mg Mon, Wed, Fri, Sun.

>

> Waiting to start HCG and will do 250iu SC EOD [every other day]with Test

shots.

>

> Comments?

>

> * should I add DHEA to the mix?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

PS - I found that the shorter needle was " faster " and I didn't like it as much.

________________________________

From: banditsdad2005 <banditsdad2005@...>

Sent: Wed, June 2, 2010 8:58:54 AM

Subject: Re: Check out my protocol and comment please.....

 

Small needles will reduce muscle damage. Some use #25 1 " needles, but this may

not be any " faster " than the above 50iu insulin needles.

You do not need to inject into your gluts with 1.5 " needles!

Canadian clinical research has demonstrated that TRT by SC [under the skin

injections into body fat] produce steadier testosterone levels and improves

sense of well-being. Feel free to find out what is more comfortable for you.

I have found that by doing every other day, my levels have stabilized and I do

feel better than once a week. Twice a week would probably be ok as well. The

quad injections do actually get into the muscle as I'm quite lean but IF any of

f he TES goes into the fat......see above, it's all good.

My labs have all come back solid doing it this way....Test levels upper range

and it's painless and easy. I will never do IM in the glutes with a bigger

needle again....just no need

Thanks for your reply

>

> The needle is possibly to short. 

>

> Both Dr. Crisler and the pharmaicist where I get my T-Cyp said I need to use a

1 " needle so as to get the T deeper into the muscle, and I'm a lean man so it's

not a " getting through a bunch of fat " issue.  At one point in time I used a

1/2 " needle.  There was a difference.  It seemed as if the T hit me

stronger if you will.  Might be because at 1/2 " it's much closer to the

small blood vessles near the skin surface so it gets into the blood stream

faster and maybe stronger (more of it it a shorter period of time).  It also

didn't seem to last as long.

>

> I use a 22 ga. needle to draw out the T-Cyp from the vial and a 25ga. 1 "

needle to inject.  It works fine - very little, if any, pain.

>

> FYI.

>

> Bill

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: banditsdad2005 <banditsdad2005@...>

>

> Sent: Tue, June 1, 2010 9:02:22 PM

> Subject: Check out my protocol and comment please.....

>

>  

> Testosterone Cyp 125mg/wk split into every other day injections....injected

into the quads with 1/2 " insulin needle

>

> Arimidex 1mg/wk split into .25mg Mon, Wed, Fri, Sun.

>

> Waiting to start HCG and will do 250iu SC EOD [every other day]with Test

shots.

>

> Comments?

>

> * should I add DHEA to the mix?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You can try adding DHEA 25 mgs up too 2x's a day look out for it converting into

Estradiol if you don't need it it will do this.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: banditsdad2005 <banditsdad2005@...>

> Subject: Check out my protocol and comment please.....

>

> Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 9:02 PM

> Testosterone Cyp 125mg/wk split into

> every other day injections....injected into the quads with

> 1/2 " insulin needle

>

> Arimidex 1mg/wk split into .25mg Mon, Wed, Fri, Sun.

>

> Waiting to start HCG and will do 250iu SC EOD [every other

> day]with Test shots.

>

> Comments?

>

> * should I add DHEA to the mix?

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Good points Bill and I am on Test C and do my shots every 3 days. I got this

from Dr. Shippen he dose this to his self but subQ half the shot on one side the

half on the other in the same day. My Dr. will not let me do subQ.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Bill Totten <bill_totten@...>

> Subject: Re: Check out my protocol and comment please.....

>

> Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 7:33 AM

> One other thought; when I originally

> started injection therapy I was on a once a week

> regiment.  Now I inject twice a week. The issues such

> as too high of E2 seem fine now on 2x a week. 

>

> If you are using T-Pro like Phil (the co-moderator) does, I

> think every other day is what you do.  However, T-Cyp

> is longer lasting, so twice a week is enough. 

> Dr.Crisler, the doc who many agree is one of the best in the

> country on this, is the man who told me to inject twoice a

> week (maybe knowing that he is the one who told me makes you

> feel comfortable that 2x a week is correct).  I inject

> 50mg on Saturday and then on Tuesday (both in the AM).

>

> Ain't no reason to poke yourself more than necessary.

>

> Bill

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Phil,

Any idea why the doc does sub-q rather than IM yet he tells you to go IM?  I

have always read and been told that it goes IM.  Even the vial says so.

Bill

________________________________

From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>

Sent: Wed, June 2, 2010 11:24:17 AM

Subject: Re: Check out my protocol and comment please.....

 

Good points Bill and I am on Test C and do my shots every 3 days. I got this

from Dr. Shippen he dose this to his self but subQ half the shot on one side the

half on the other in the same day. My Dr. will not let me do subQ.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Bill Totten <bill_totten@...>

> Subject: Re: Check out my protocol and comment please.....

>

> Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 7:33 AM

> One other thought; when I originally

> started injection therapy I was on a once a week

> regiment.  Now I inject twice a week. The issues such

> as too high of E2 seem fine now on 2x a week. 

>

> If you are using T-Pro like Phil (the co-moderator) does, I

> think every other day is what you do.  However, T-Cyp

> is longer lasting, so twice a week is enough. 

> Dr.Crisler, the doc who many agree is one of the best in the

> country on this, is the man who told me to inject twoice a

> week (maybe knowing that he is the one who told me makes you

> feel comfortable that 2x a week is correct).  I inject

> 50mg on Saturday and then on Tuesday (both in the AM).

>

> Ain't no reason to poke yourself more than necessary.

>

> Bill

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dr. is not ready for subQ T shots much like my Dr. but Dr. Shippen is

having good luck doing T shots subQ. There are a lot of guys doing them this

way been doing it for over 5 yrs. So it's about what you like I don't like subQ

shots. I have to do my HGH shot subQ and hate it.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Bill Totten <bill_totten@...>

> Subject: Re: Check out my protocol and comment please.....

>

> Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 10:48 AM

> Hmmm.. interesting. 

> I agree with you, no glute shots. 

> A) I can't check if I'm in a vein (I can't see the needle

> and pull back, all while twisting my old back around) and

>   the glutes usually require a longer, even large

> needle.  When Dr. Crisler's nurse gave me an injection, it

> went in the glute and it hurt!  I think they used a 22 ga.

> 1.5 " .   Not that they prefer glutes per se, only that for

> in-office shots they do glutes, not legs (at least that's

> what the nurse said).

>

> I wonder why, if shots into the fat are okay (or

> preferrable), that no one I've seen, including Dr. Crisler,

> recommend that approach.  Not that I've seen everything

>

> Bill

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: banditsdad2005 <banditsdad2005@...>

>

> Sent: Wed, June 2, 2010 8:57:54 AM

> Subject: Re: Check out my protocol and

> comment please.....

>

>  

> Small needles will reduce muscle damage. Some use #25 1 "

> needles, but this may not be any " faster " than the above

> 50iu insulin needles.

>

> You do not need to inject into your gluts with 1.5 "

> needles!

>

> Canadian clinical research has demonstrated that TRT by SC

> [under the skin injections into body fat] produce steadier

> testosterone levels and improves sense of well-being. Feel

> free to find out what is more comfortable for you.

>

> I have found that by doing every other day, my levels have

> stabilized and I do feel better than once a week. Twice a

> week would probably be ok as well. The quad injections do

> actually get into the muscle as I'm quite lean but IF any of

> f he TES goes into the fat......see above, it's all good.

>

> My labs have all come back solid doing it this way....Test

> levels upper range and it's painless and easy. I will never

> do IM in the glutes with a bigger needle again....just no

> need

>

> Thanks for your reply

>

>

> >

> > The needle is possibly to short. 

> >

> > Both Dr. Crisler and the pharmaicist where I get my

> T-Cyp said I need to use a 1 " needle so as to get the T

> deeper into the muscle, and I'm a lean man so it's not a

> " getting through a bunch of fat " issue.  At one point in

> time I used a 1/2 " needle.  There was a difference. 

> It seemed as if the T hit me stronger if you will.  Might

> be because at 1/2 " it's much closer to the small blood

> vessles near the skin surface so it gets into the blood

> stream faster and maybe stronger (more of it it a shorter

> period of time).  It also didn't seem to last as long.

> >

> > I use a 22 ga. needle to draw out the T-Cyp from the

> vial and a 25ga. 1 " needle to inject.  It works fine

> - very little, if any, pain.

> >

> > FYI.

> >

> > Bill

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: banditsdad2005 <banditsdad2005@...>

> >

> > Sent: Tue, June 1, 2010 9:02:22 PM

> > Subject: Check out my protocol and

> comment please.....

> >

> >  

> > Testosterone Cyp 125mg/wk split into every other day

> injections....injected into the quads with 1/2 " insulin

> needle

> >

> > Arimidex 1mg/wk split into .25mg Mon, Wed, Fri, Sun.

> >

> > Waiting to start HCG and will do 250iu SC EOD [every

> other day]with Test shots.

> >

> > Comments?

> >

> > * should I add DHEA to the mix?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dr. Shippen is not my Dr. my Dr. read at copy of a post by one of his men that

he is doing this shot every 3 days subQ to keep his E2 levels down and stay more

leveled. He read this and told me try it but not subQ.

Read post #7 in this thread.

http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/mens-health-forum/injecting-testosterone-subcutan\

eously-134237662.html

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: Bill Totten <bill_totten@...>

> > Subject: Re: Check out my protocol and

> comment please.....

> >

> > Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 7:33 AM

> > One other thought; when I originally

> > started injection therapy I was on a once a week

> > regiment.  Now I inject twice a week. The issues

> such

> > as too high of E2 seem fine now on 2x a week. 

> >

> > If you are using T-Pro like Phil (the co-moderator)

> does, I

> > think every other day is what you do.  However,

> T-Cyp

> > is longer lasting, so twice a week is enough. 

> > Dr.Crisler, the doc who many agree is one of the best

> in the

> > country on this, is the man who told me to inject

> twoice a

> > week (maybe knowing that he is the one who told me

> makes you

> > feel comfortable that 2x a week is correct).  I

> inject

> > 50mg on Saturday and then on Tuesday (both in the

> AM).

> >

> > Ain't no reason to poke yourself more than necessary.

> >

> > Bill

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>      

>

>

[Guest guest]

For what its worth I inject with a 25 Gauge 1 1/2 " It takes a little while to

do the injection but there is little pain involved.

Oh! I was " trained " with a 16 gauge! OUCH! That was awful.

> >

> > The needle is possibly to short. 

> >

> > Both Dr. Crisler and the pharmaicist where I get my T-Cyp said I need to use

a 1 " needle so as to get the T deeper into the muscle, and I'm a lean man so

it's not a " getting through a bunch of fat " issue.  At one point in time I

used a 1/2 " needle.  There was a difference.  It seemed as if the T hit me

stronger if you will.  Might be because at 1/2 " it's much closer to the

small blood vessles near the skin surface so it gets into the blood stream

faster and maybe stronger (more of it it a shorter period of time).  It also

didn't seem to last as long.

> >

> > I use a 22 ga. needle to draw out the T-Cyp from the vial and a 25ga. 1 "

needle to inject.  It works fine - very little, if any, pain.

> >

> > FYI.

> >

> > Bill

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: banditsdad2005 <banditsdad2005@>

> >

> > Sent: Tue, June 1, 2010 9:02:22 PM

> > Subject: Check out my protocol and comment please.....

> >

> >  

> > Testosterone Cyp 125mg/wk split into every other day injections....injected

into the quads with 1/2 " insulin needle

> >

> > Arimidex 1mg/wk split into .25mg Mon, Wed, Fri, Sun.

> >

> > Waiting to start HCG and will do 250iu SC EOD [every other day]with Test

shots.

> >

> > Comments?

> >

> > * should I add DHEA to the mix?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

For what its worth I inject with a 25 Gauge 1 1/2 " It takes a little while to

do the injection but there is little pain involved.

Oh! I was " trained " with a 16 gauge! OUCH! That was awful.

> >

> > The needle is possibly to short. 

> >

> > Both Dr. Crisler and the pharmaicist where I get my T-Cyp said I need to use

a 1 " needle so as to get the T deeper into the muscle, and I'm a lean man so

it's not a " getting through a bunch of fat " issue.  At one point in time I

used a 1/2 " needle.  There was a difference.  It seemed as if the T hit me

stronger if you will.  Might be because at 1/2 " it's much closer to the

small blood vessles near the skin surface so it gets into the blood stream

faster and maybe stronger (more of it it a shorter period of time).  It also

didn't seem to last as long.

> >

> > I use a 22 ga. needle to draw out the T-Cyp from the vial and a 25ga. 1 "

needle to inject.  It works fine - very little, if any, pain.

> >

> > FYI.

> >

> > Bill

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: banditsdad2005 <banditsdad2005@>

> >

> > Sent: Tue, June 1, 2010 9:02:22 PM

> > Subject: Check out my protocol and comment please.....

> >

> >  

> > Testosterone Cyp 125mg/wk split into every other day injections....injected

into the quads with 1/2 " insulin needle

> >

> > Arimidex 1mg/wk split into .25mg Mon, Wed, Fri, Sun.

> >

> > Waiting to start HCG and will do 250iu SC EOD [every other day]with Test

shots.

> >

> > Comments?

> >

> > * should I add DHEA to the mix?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I wouldn't want to do myself in the behind but when my wife is handy I have

her do it and it better that way I think, but if your trying to do yourself

forget about it! Brett

Re: Check out my protocol and comment please.....

Hmmm.. interesting.

I agree with you, no glute shots.

A) I can't check if I'm in a vein (I can't see the needle and pull back, all

while twisting my old back around) and the glutes usually require a

longer, even large needle. When Dr. Crisler's nurse gave me an injection, it

went in the glute and it hurt! I think they used a 22 ga. 1.5 " . Not that

they prefer glutes per se, only that for in-office shots they do glutes, not

legs (at least that's what the nurse said).

I wonder why, if shots into the fat are okay (or preferrable), that no one

I've seen, including Dr. Crisler, recommend that approach. Not that I've

seen everything

Bill

[Guest guest]

I have been shooting into my thigh for yrs now using a small 27g x 1/2 " needle

no pain no problems.

http://spotinjections.com/index3.htm

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Phil

> From: Brett Savage <brshop@...>

> Subject: Re: Check out my protocol and comment please.....

>

> Date: Friday, June 4, 2010, 1:35 AM

> I wouldn't want to do myself in the

> behind but when my wife is handy I have

> her do it and it better that way I think, but if your

> trying to do yourself

> forget about it!      Brett

> Re: Check out my protocol and

> comment please.....

>

>

> Hmmm.. interesting.

> I agree with you, no glute shots.

> A) I can't check if I'm in a vein (I can't see the needle

> and pull back, all

> while twisting my old back around) and the glutes

> usually require a

> longer, even large needle. When Dr. Crisler's nurse gave me

> an injection, it

> went in the glute and it hurt! I think they used a 22 ga.

> 1.5 " . Not that

> they prefer glutes per se, only that for in-office shots

> they do glutes, not

> legs (at least that's what the nurse said).

>

> I wonder why, if shots into the fat are okay (or

> preferrable), that no one

> I've seen, including Dr. Crisler, recommend that approach.

> Not that I've

> seen everything

>

> Bill

>

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