New here......with questions

[Guest guest]

Thanks to those who replyed about my husband who is 54 and has sleep apnea that

caused his low Testosterone. The more i read online the more confused i am. If

anyone could help answer some questions i have i would appreciate it.Right now

my husband is seeing an endocronologist. Who prescribed angdrogel 5mg.and wants

him to come back in 5 weeks. He hasnt started it yet because hes nervous about

the side effects so im trying to do some research on all this. According to what

i read your suppose to have a recent psa test and prostate exam. well my husband

had one in 2006 and one in 2007. I told the dr. this and she thought it was

ok....does anyone think this is ok? Because that isnt recent to me. Im thinking

he needs new tests. What do you think?

Ive been reading about bioidentical hormones does anyone know if

endocrinologist and or what drs. use these hormones and if so does insurance

cover it? so, far ive only seen ones that are out of pocket and the costs are

expensive.

Also, this androgel,,,,im nervous because it seems like if I come into contact

with this stuff thats on his body I could get affected by it. Which doesnt make

me feel too comfortable. Does anyone use a patch in this group? if so how does

it work for you? Im not really sure how good his absorption will be since I was

told by this group that he might have thick skin because of having sleep apnea.

Thanks in advance for your help,,,this group is a real godsend.

Mysticgrl

[Guest guest]

I used the patch when it first came out problem with it is it does not stay on

and if it does when you take it off it leaves a red rash that need HC cream to

heal it's just a big pain to use.

There are no sides I know of using Androgel except that Dr.'s start one on a low

dose and don't do follow up labs to check to see the gel is working.  They put

men on it and tell them to come back in 4 to 12 weeks.  One needs to check

Testosterone levels in 2 weeks to be sure levels are going up not going lower. 

When a men adds Testosterone to his body his brain sees it and stops sending the

LH and FSH messages to his testis and they stop making Testosterone so if the

gel dose is not enough he can end up lower.

 Co-Moderator

Phil

New here......with questions

Thanks to those who replyed about my husband who is 54 and has sleep apnea that

caused his low Testosterone. The more i read online the more confused i am. If

anyone could help answer some questions i have i would appreciate it.Right now

my husband is seeing an endocronologist. Who prescribed angdrogel 5mg.and wants

him to come back in 5 weeks. He hasnt started it yet because hes nervous about

the side effects so im trying to do some research on all this. According to what

i read your suppose to have a recent psa test and prostate exam. well my husband

had one in 2006 and one in 2007. I told the dr. this and she thought it was

ok....does anyone think this is ok? Because that isnt recent to me. Im thinking

he needs new tests. What do you think?

Ive been reading about bioidentical hormones  does anyone know if

endocrinologist and or what drs. use these hormones and if so does insurance

cover it? so, far ive only seen ones that are out of pocket and the costs are

expensive.

Also, this androgel,,,,im nervous because it seems like if I come into contact

with this stuff thats on his body I could get affected by it. Which doesnt make

me feel too comfortable. Does anyone use a patch in this group? if so how does

it work for you? Im not really sure how good his absorption will be since I was

told by this group that he might have thick skin because of having sleep apnea.

Thanks in advance for your help,,,this group is a real godsend.

Mysticgrl

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[Guest guest]

the worries about having it come off and affect you:

-The main worry is with kids and baby making, if you have neither issues, I

would guess it would be ok.

The whole bio-identical hormone thing:Most of the hormones should be really

cheap if you get the bio-identical, which is ironic because the people who want

to treat you with them want insane amounts of money. I had a dr. who I

contacted call me back and pitch to me a 2800 dollar one full day consultation,

along with $695 to have a phlebotomist come to my house.

You can contact a compounding pharmacy close to you and ask them how to transfer

your prescription to them. they can make a 10% strength gel, which means you

only put a little dab on instead of covering half your body with goop.

I have sleep apnea also, and I am completely used to it. If I just recently

started using a cpap, I would probably feel like having to wear that thing and

remember to put on androgel every day would be a little much.

I have had two shots of testosterone, in the butt I barely felt it.

Going on testosterone should help the sleep apnea, because his night sweats will

not be an issue. waking up covered in sweat wearing a mask is a little rough.

There is also the possibility of losing a little weight on a good amount of

testosterone.

I am also off the high blood pressure meds since starting the testosterone and

arimidex.

[Guest guest]

Not sure what you mean by " bio-identical " .

Androgel and Testim contain the same testosterone that his body produces (yours

too, but in smaller amounts).

I'm on Testim. I wear clothing over the areas of coverage. I keep a t-shirt on

during our " alone time " . It's really a non-issue to me. I might feel different

in the summer, but I don't see a problem.

The gels are expensive. My understanding is that injectables are generic and

very cheap. Others prefer them in terms of convenience and efficacy. Maybe

someone else can speak to this point.

I'd like to know because they may be in my future as well.

>

> Thanks to those who replyed about my husband who is 54 and has sleep apnea

that caused his low Testosterone. The more i read online the more confused i am.

If anyone could help answer some questions i have i would appreciate it.Right

now my husband is seeing an endocronologist. Who prescribed angdrogel 5mg.and

wants him to come back in 5 weeks. He hasnt started it yet because hes nervous

about the side effects so im trying to do some research on all this. According

to what i read your suppose to have a recent psa test and prostate exam. well my

husband had one in 2006 and one in 2007. I told the dr. this and she thought it

was ok....does anyone think this is ok? Because that isnt recent to me. Im

thinking he needs new tests. What do you think?

> Ive been reading about bioidentical hormones does anyone know if

endocrinologist and or what drs. use these hormones and if so does insurance

cover it? so, far ive only seen ones that are out of pocket and the costs are

expensive.

> Also, this androgel,,,,im nervous because it seems like if I come into contact

with this stuff thats on his body I could get affected by it. Which doesnt make

me feel too comfortable. Does anyone use a patch in this group? if so how does

it work for you? Im not really sure how good his absorption will be since I was

told by this group that he might have thick skin because of having sleep apnea.

> Thanks in advance for your help,,,this group is a real godsend.

> Mysticgrl

>

[Guest guest]

About prostate...

He should get his PSA checked every year if he's over 40.

He's probably due anyway if he's younger, but don't look at it like he's setting

a fuse on a time bomb. I'd probably go ahead with the doc's suggestions and

schedule an appointment to get my PSA check in the near future.

>

> Thanks to those who replyed about my husband who is 54 and has sleep apnea

that caused his low Testosterone. The more i read online the more confused i am.

If anyone could help answer some questions i have i would appreciate it.Right

now my husband is seeing an endocronologist. Who prescribed angdrogel 5mg.and

wants him to come back in 5 weeks. He hasnt started it yet because hes nervous

about the side effects so im trying to do some research on all this. According

to what i read your suppose to have a recent psa test and prostate exam. well my

husband had one in 2006 and one in 2007. I told the dr. this and she thought it

was ok....does anyone think this is ok? Because that isnt recent to me. Im

thinking he needs new tests. What do you think?

> Ive been reading about bioidentical hormones does anyone know if

endocrinologist and or what drs. use these hormones and if so does insurance

cover it? so, far ive only seen ones that are out of pocket and the costs are

expensive.

> Also, this androgel,,,,im nervous because it seems like if I come into contact

with this stuff thats on his body I could get affected by it. Which doesnt make

me feel too comfortable. Does anyone use a patch in this group? if so how does

it work for you? Im not really sure how good his absorption will be since I was

told by this group that he might have thick skin because of having sleep apnea.

> Thanks in advance for your help,,,this group is a real godsend.

> Mysticgrl

>

[Guest guest]

All Testosterone sold for men on TRT is bio-identical or made from Yams. I

don't care what you use it is all made from Yams and them Places that say they

only use bio-identical Testosterone of bio-identical hormones it good to use

them for E's but for Testosterone it all made from the same Yams. Take your

pick gels, creams, patch's, pellets or shots it's all made from Yams and saying

it's bio-identical and charging you more money for them is a rip off.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Dave <dcbaden@...>

> Subject: Re: New here......with questions

>

> Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 12:47 PM

> Not sure what you mean by

> " bio-identical " .

> Androgel and Testim contain the same testosterone that his

> body produces (yours too, but in smaller amounts).

>

> I'm on Testim.  I wear clothing over the areas of

> coverage.  I keep a t-shirt on during our " alone

> time " .  It's really a non-issue to me.  I might

> feel different in the summer, but I don't see a problem.

>

> The gels are expensive.  My understanding is that

> injectables are generic and very cheap.  Others prefer

> them in terms of convenience and efficacy.  Maybe

> someone else can speak to this point.

> I'd like to know because they may be in my future as well.

>

>

> >

> > Thanks to those who replyed about my husband who is 54

> and has sleep apnea that caused his low Testosterone. The

> more i read online the more confused i am. If anyone could

> help answer some questions i have i would appreciate

> it.Right now my husband is seeing an endocronologist. Who

> prescribed angdrogel 5mg.and wants him to come back in 5

> weeks. He hasnt started it yet because hes nervous about the

> side effects so im trying to do some research on all this.

> According to what i read your suppose to have a recent psa

> test and prostate exam. well my husband had one in 2006 and

> one in 2007. I told the dr. this and she thought it was

> ok....does anyone think this is ok? Because that isnt recent

> to me. Im thinking he needs new tests. What do you think?

> >  Ive been reading about bioidentical

> hormones  does anyone know if endocrinologist and or

> what drs. use these hormones and if so does insurance cover

> it? so, far ive only seen ones that are out of pocket and

> the costs are expensive.

> > Also, this androgel,,,,im nervous because it seems

> like if I come into contact with this stuff thats on his

> body I could get affected by it. Which doesnt make me feel

> too comfortable. Does anyone use a patch in this group? if

> so how does it work for you? Im not really sure how good his

> absorption will be since I was told by this group that he

> might have thick skin because of having sleep apnea.

> > Thanks in advance for your help,,,this group is a real

> godsend.

> > Mysticgrl

> >

>

>

>

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

I have some of the same problems as your husband.

I'm 40. I have sleep apnea. I use a CPAP nightly. Aside from a small wrinkle by

my nose it may be causing I think it's a God send. Other people don't like

CPAPs.

I used the patch along time ago. It did leave a small red mark but it was not

uncomfortable for me. In the end it did not prove very effective at bringing my

scores up.

For the last 8 years I've used Androgel. Using this my scores have always been

at the low normal level. I am at a point where I want them in the high normal

range.

I got implants last November. Only augmenting them w/ Androgel did my scores

shoot up where I want them. I say this to say, I finally got tired of paying

$259.27 a month for Androgel (insurance helped a little) and had a pharmacy

compound bio-identical testosterone. The total was $39.28. I nearly fell on the

floor when I realized how cheap the bio-identical was.

I'm no expert. Philip probably knows more than I do but it's my understanding

that Androgel and some other gels/creams are not bio-identical. They are

chemical and your body has to convert them into T. That's why bio-identical say

they are different your body does not have to convert it.

When my pellets finally dissolve I plan to use injections. Everyone else I read

about does this and it seems to work.

I guess in the end that's what I'd suggest to you. I think it's pretty

inexpensive, not really sure at this point and you don't have to worry about him

transferring to you.

[Guest guest]

Yams. Really. That's crazy.

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Re: New here......with questions

>

> Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 12:47 PM

> Not sure what you mean by

> " bio-identical " .

> Androgel and Testim contain the same testosterone that his

> body produces (yours too, but in smaller amounts).

>

> I'm on Testim.  I wear clothing over the areas of

> coverage.  I keep a t-shirt on during our " alone

> time " .  It's really a non-issue to me.  I might

> feel different in the summer, but I don't see a problem.

>

> The gels are expensive.  My understanding is that

> injectables are generic and very cheap.  Others prefer

> them in terms of convenience and efficacy.  Maybe

> someone else can speak to this point.

> I'd like to know because they may be in my future as well.

>

>

> >

> > Thanks to those who replyed about my husband who is 54

> and has sleep apnea that caused his low Testosterone. The

> more i read online the more confused i am. If anyone could

> help answer some questions i have i would appreciate

> it.Right now my husband is seeing an endocronologist. Who

> prescribed angdrogel 5mg.and wants him to come back in 5

> weeks. He hasnt started it yet because hes nervous about the

> side effects so im trying to do some research on all this.

> According to what i read your suppose to have a recent psa

> test and prostate exam. well my husband had one in 2006 and

> one in 2007. I told the dr. this and she thought it was

> ok....does anyone think this is ok? Because that isnt recent

> to me. Im thinking he needs new tests. What do you think?

> >  Ive been reading about bioidentical

> hormones  does anyone know if endocrinologist and or

> what drs. use these hormones and if so does insurance cover

> it? so, far ive only seen ones that are out of pocket and

> the costs are expensive.

> > Also, this androgel,,,,im nervous because it seems

> like if I come into contact with this stuff thats on his

> body I could get affected by it. Which doesnt make me feel

> too comfortable. Does anyone use a patch in this group? if

> so how does it work for you? Im not really sure how good his

> absorption will be since I was told by this group that he

> might have thick skin because of having sleep apnea.

> > Thanks in advance for your help,,,this group is a real

> godsend.

> > Mysticgrl

> >

>

>

>

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en & lr= & q=Testosterone+meds+are+made+from+yams & aq\

=f & aqi= & oq=

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: Dave <dcbaden@...>

> > Subject: Re: New here......with

> questions

> >

> > Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 12:47 PM

> > Not sure what you mean by

> > " bio-identical " .

> > Androgel and Testim contain the same testosterone that

> his

> > body produces (yours too, but in smaller amounts).

> >

> > I'm on Testim.  I wear clothing over the areas of

> > coverage.  I keep a t-shirt on during our " alone

> > time " .  It's really a non-issue to me.  I might

> > feel different in the summer, but I don't see a

> problem.

> >

> > The gels are expensive.  My understanding is that

> > injectables are generic and very cheap.  Others

> prefer

> > them in terms of convenience and efficacy.  Maybe

> > someone else can speak to this point.

> > I'd like to know because they may be in my future as

> well.

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Thanks to those who replyed about my husband who

> is 54

> > and has sleep apnea that caused his low Testosterone.

> The

> > more i read online the more confused i am. If anyone

> could

> > help answer some questions i have i would appreciate

> > it.Right now my husband is seeing an endocronologist.

> Who

> > prescribed angdrogel 5mg.and wants him to come back in

> 5

> > weeks. He hasnt started it yet because hes nervous

> about the

> > side effects so im trying to do some research on all

> this.

> > According to what i read your suppose to have a recent

> psa

> > test and prostate exam. well my husband had one in

> 2006 and

> > one in 2007. I told the dr. this and she thought it

> was

> > ok....does anyone think this is ok? Because that isnt

> recent

> > to me. Im thinking he needs new tests. What do you

> think?

> > >  Ive been reading about bioidentical

> > hormones  does anyone know if endocrinologist and or

> > what drs. use these hormones and if so does insurance

> cover

> > it? so, far ive only seen ones that are out of pocket

> and

> > the costs are expensive.

> > > Also, this androgel,,,,im nervous because it

> seems

> > like if I come into contact with this stuff thats on

> his

> > body I could get affected by it. Which doesnt make me

> feel

> > too comfortable. Does anyone use a patch in this

> group? if

> > so how does it work for you? Im not really sure how

> good his

> > absorption will be since I was told by this group that

> he

> > might have thick skin because of having sleep apnea.

> > > Thanks in advance for your help,,,this group is a

> real

> > godsend.

> > > Mysticgrl

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thanks Philip.

The first site following your link has an unbelievable amount of info. I don't

think any of us aspire to become female, the topic of the site, but it has a lot

of info on testosterone. I assume all the info is correct. I haven't read the

whole thing.

http://www.ftmguide.org/ttypes.html

[Guest guest]

I keep this link because it's full of good info as this is also.

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=450553

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: healthplan2010 <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: New here......with questions

>

> Date: Friday, February 5, 2010, 11:28 AM

>

>

> Thanks Philip.

> The first site following your link has an unbelievable

> amount of info. I don't think any of us aspire to become

> female, the topic of the site, but it has a lot of info on

> testosterone. I assume all the info is correct. I haven't

> read the whole thing.

>

> http://www.ftmguide.org/ttypes.html

>

>

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

On Thu, 4 Feb 2010 20:36:29 +0000, you wrote:

>

>Yams. Really. That's crazy.

I yam what I yam.

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