Guest guest Posted August 14, 2010 Report Share Posted August 14, 2010 Dorset, UK > My GP is who's checking me weekly. And this time he's on alert with my > thickening blood, and increasing blood volume. It's probably Testosterone > doing this to me cause my blood wasn't that thick til I started > Testosterone! But what is the solution? To stay on testosterone and just > drain some blood and throw it away? Plebomectamy? (Spelling? Something > like that! ) Or to stop testosterone like I am gonna do tomorrow, > temporarily to get the hematocrit down? Or what? I will email him the > links! Thanks!!! Hi there It is difficult for me to respond with the digest but send direct here so you get a response. I am recovering from spinal injuries as well as the Chronic illness and awaiting spinal neurosurgery. Yes, when your Haemocrit levels get too high you need to have a venepucture and lose some blood. Some people go to Blood Transfusion but where the blood is thrown away. Others get their hospital endocrinology unit to do it. I can confirm I was told by Porfessor of Endocrinology at St Bartholomews Hospital London for this action. I had been ignored as mine rose very high and above range and I had a stroke from thickened blood. Another hospital (London) endocrinology department said they would just stop Testosterone but that leads to bad symptoms of Hypogonadism etc. As an example my testosterone has dropped to 4nmol/L ca (4 * 28) USA units and my Haemocrit has dropped right down to 0.4 (40%). My new Endo wrote and reconfirmed that this is a function of Testosterone. Hope this helps! Kindest regards, Randle ------- Forwarded message follows ------- Date sent: 14 Aug 2010 13:52:11 -0000 From: Subject: Digest Number 4412 Send reply to: " No Reply " <notify-dg- > [ Double-click this line for list subscription options ] There are 25 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1a. Re: Problematic situation with testosterone now! From: philip georgian 1b. 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Re: Problematic situation with testosterone now! From: 1q. Re: Problematic situation with testosterone now! From: philip georgian 1r. Re: Problematic situation with testosterone now! From: 1s. Re: Problematic situation with testosterone now! From: 1t. Re: Problematic situation with testosterone now! From: philip georgian 2a. Re: HCG and weight gain??? From: Bstee 2b. Re: HCG and weight gain??? From: philip georgian 2c. Re: HCG and weight gain??? From: mbmom123 2d. Re: HCG and weight gain??? From: mbmom123 3. Stopping 200 mg testo cold turkey From: Messages ______________________________________________________________________ __ 1a. Re: Problematic situation with testosterone now! Posted by: " philip georgian " pmgamer18@... pmgamer18 Date: Fri Aug 13, 2010 1:17 pm ((PDT)) Good one Barb I did not know about this. Co-Moderator Phil , the hormone erythropoietin is what stimulates RBC. Testosterone, HC, and thyroid are all known to stimulate this. You are on all three. Which one is off in you is for your doc to determine. Hopefully he measures your erythropoietin because that is a simple blood test. Apparently he is aware of the testosterone connection, but not the other two. If he is not aware, show him some of these articles. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1749-6632.1968.tb15172.x/ ab\ stract http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL & _udi=B6WG0-4DMNM0Y -4\ D & _user=10 & _coverDate=08%2F31%2F1973 & _rdoc=1 & _fmt=high & _orig=search & _s or\ t=d & _docanchor= & view=c & _searchStrId=1430135225 & _rerunOrigin=google & _ac ct\ =C000050221 & _version=1 & _urlVersion=0 & _userid=10 & md5=c119d83be388811cd9 34\ c5429e4476f0 http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1600-0609.1987.tb01151.x/ ab\ stract > > > > > From: Gibcast gibcast@... > > > Subject: Problematic situation with testosterone now! > > > > > > Date: Friday, August 13, 2010, 11:15 AM > > > My GP just called me. He tells me > > > that he discussed with a Hematologist today at a hospital in > > > Oslo, Norway. And they both warned me strongly about taking > > > testosterone gel, and my GP told me to QUIT taking > > > testosterone gel THIS INSTANT, cause my Hematocrite is 57 > > > (Range: 40 - 50), and my Hemoglobin is 18. (Range: 13.4 - > > > 17.0). > > > He told me that it isn't necessary to drain blood now, but > > > by drinking more water, quitting testosterone gel AND > > > quitting IRON (how am I gonna get my Ferritin up to tolerate > > > T3 THEN?) I will probably improve soon. > > > GP warned me strongly about strokes, and was very serious > > > about this. He also told me that Hertoghe runs a risky > > > business because my GP has not received ONE note from him > > > sine I started at Hertoghe's clinic in March this year. GP > > > does not know what's going on with my medications, doses, > > > Hertoghe's plans for me improving etc. > > > GP also told me he wants to maybe put me into a hospital on > > > Monday to find out if I have some diseases; Polycytemia, and > > > Hematomacrosis, and other things, just to be sure. FINALLY > > > the public health system is reacting! I always thought they > > > are bad at running tests over here. It is a free health care > > > system, but it is NOT fast, nor thorough, imho. > > > Anyway... This is my situation. Hertoghe won't be back til > > > September, and I am being told to quit TESTOSTERONE GEL and > > > IRON today. > > > Phil, will quitting 2 pumps daily down to Zero be ok? I > > > guess I will become sleepy and tired, but it's not DANGEROUS > > > to quit cold turkey with testo gel is it? It would be more > > > dangerous to continue taking it now, I think. > > > I don't know how to feel. I am scared. Should I run to the > > > ER and drain some blood, or??? > > > > > > > > > > > > Â Â Â > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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