Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 GEt proper hcg dosge with dhea, We know that hcg raises e2, but also have to keep check on rt3 as well to which can mimic e2 symptoms which will also be address > > I've been on TRT now for 4 months. In that time my E2 went from 14 down to currently 4. I am on compuonded cream. I read an old post on another forum by Dr. marianco advising to possibly a man using androgel to apply to the abdomen. > > Would this work with the compounded stuff. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 you may have an issue with the estrogen metabolite down streams so this needs to be explored. Even with low e2 one can have estrogen dominant like symptoms. > > > > I've been on TRT now for 4 months. In that time my E2 went from 14 down to currently 4. I am on compuonded cream. I read an old post on another forum by Dr. marianco advising to possibly a man using androgel to apply to the abdomen. > > > > Would this work with the compounded stuff. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 HCG only elevates E when it is dosed improperly. The trick is that everyone has a different limit. Generally, staying below 500iu for any given shot avoids estrogen problems, but for many nothing more than 100iu per day will suffice. Once the individual limit is exceeded no more T is produced, but E and PROG elevate. Be well! Regards, Crisler, DO Anti-Aging Medicine The information contained in this message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above, and is protected by state and federal law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately, and delete the original message. We would certainly do the same for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 I would expect elevated E increases rT3 in adult males since it definitely raises stress in a man's life. Be well! Regards, Crisler, DO Anti-Aging Medicine The information contained in this message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above, and is protected by state and federal law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately, and delete the original message. We would certainly do the same for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 I'd take a closer look at the testing. Be well! Regards, Crisler, DO Anti-Aging Medicine The information contained in this message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above, and is protected by state and federal law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately, and delete the original message. We would certainly do the same for you. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of hardasnails1973 Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:44 AM Subject: Re: How to raise E2 you may have an issue with the estrogen metabolite down streams so this needs to be explored. Even with low e2 one can have estrogen dominant like symptoms. > > > > I've been on TRT now for 4 months. In that time my E2 went from 14 down to currently 4. I am on compuonded cream. I read an old post on another forum by Dr. marianco advising to possibly a man using androgel to apply to the abdomen. > > > > Would this work with the compounded stuff. > > > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2649 - Release Date: 01/28/10 07:36:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 How will the rt3 be addressed. I'm exhausted. > > > > I've been on TRT now for 4 months. In that time my E2 went from 14 down to currently 4. I am on compuonded cream. I read an old post on another forum by Dr. marianco advising to possibly a man using androgel to apply to the abdomen. > > > > Would this work with the compounded stuff. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Hard your labs came back the same as Jim's 4 we talked about his on the phone and you were having them redo your labs for Estradiol. I don't feel your levels or Jim's from the lab are right we just don't see men go this low it's the dam lab. Co-Moderator Phil > From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...> > Subject: Re: How to raise E2 > > Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 8:35 AM > GEt proper hcg dosge with dhea, > We know that hcg raises e2, but also have to keep check on > rt3 as well to which can mimic e2 symptoms which will also > be address > > > > > > I've been on TRT now for 4 months. In that time my E2 > went from 14 down to currently 4. I am on compuonded cream. > I read an old post on another forum by Dr. marianco advising > to possibly a man using androgel to apply to the abdomen. > > > > Would this work with the compounded stuff. > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 It has been CONFIRMED through retesting of E2 that my level is STILL at 4. What is causing this? > > I would expect elevated E increases rT3 in adult males since it definitely > raises stress in a man's life. > > > > Be well! > > Regards, > > > Crisler, DO > > Anti-Aging Medicine > > The information contained in this message is intended only for the personal > and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above, and is protected by > state and federal law. If the reader of this message is not the intended > recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this > document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or > copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this > communication in error, please notify us immediately, and delete the > original message. We would certainly do the same for you. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 I still don't feel this labs is right I never see men this low not on Arimidex. I don't like Labcorp becuase of this problem I had it yrs ago with them and we would ask them to rerun the labs and they would come back saying the same thing. Then we did the test at a diff. lab and seen it was a bad labs result. I would not treat this problem based on them labs seen this happen to many times will most labs. Men just don't do down this low not taking Arimidex. Co-Moderator Phil > From: jim <virtuosa150@...> > Subject: Re: How to raise E2 > > Date: Friday, January 29, 2010, 10:18 AM > It has been CONFIRMED through > retesting of E2 that my level is STILL at 4. What is causing > this? > > > > > > I would expect elevated E increases rT3 in adult males > since it definitely > > raises stress in a man's life. > > > >Â > > > > Be well! > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Crisler, DO > > > > Anti-Aging Medicine > > > > The information contained in this message is intended > only for the personal > > and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above, > and is protected by > > state and federal law. If the reader of this message > is not the intended > > recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to > the > > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you > have received this > > document in error and that any review, dissemination, > distribution, or > > copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you > have received this > > communication in error, please notify us immediately, > and delete the > > original message. We would certainly do the same for > you. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 <snip> If you really want to raise your E2 level then apply some E2. ADC has an Estrace Gel, E2, for about $7 for several months supply of a gram at a time. They also have estriol, which is a weaker form of estrogen, E1. The shipping charge is about $25 I posted this before & it disappeared. Good luck, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Men should not add anykind of E to there body this is for women and not the same as man's E's. You can bring up levels by adding HCG or even DHEA bottom line here is to get your body to make more. Co-Moderator Phil > From: gin2c <no_reply > > Subject: Re: How to raise E2 > > Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 10:28 AM > > > > <snip> > > If you really want to raise your E2 level then apply some > E2. > > ADC has an Estrace Gel, E2, for about $7 for several months > supply of a gram at a time. They also have estriol, > which is a weaker form of estrogen, E1.   > The shipping charge is about $25 > > > I posted this before & it disappeared. > > Good luck, > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 I don't think I would persue this sort of product, but thanks for the reply. I saw HAN and Dr.O yesterday. Started me on low dose T3. I now have a steady supply of hcg. This won't be a problem anymore. I read posts on another forum, when rt3 is lowered and T3 increases, absorption of compounded T increases due to improved blood flow in the skin. > > <snip> > > > > If you really want to raise your E2 level then apply some > > E2. > > > > ADC has an Estrace Gel, E2, for about $7 for several months > > supply of a gram at a time. They also have estriol, > > which is a weaker form of estrogen, E1.   > > The shipping charge is about $25 > > > > > > I posted this before & it disappeared. > > > > Good luck, > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 There are no female or male hormones. Both sexes have estradiol & testosterone. If one or the other stays too low for either sex then I believe that it should be supplemented. I MAKE too much E2 & not enough T. I reduce the E2 & supplement the T. Some female supplement their T when it is too low. It is the sex drive hormone for both female & male. > > <snip> > > > > If you really want to raise your E2 level then apply some > > E2. > > > > ADC has an Estrace Gel, E2, for about $7 for several months > > supply of a gram at a time. They also have estriol, > > which is a weaker form of estrogen, E1.   > > The shipping charge is about $25 > > > > > > I posted this before & it disappeared. > > > > Good luck, > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 I am not a Dr. and all I am doing is repeating what Dr. says he feels the only test for Estradiol is a test for men the ones for women are no good. He is down on men using any kind of female hormoens like Progesterone and Estrogen. Co-Moderator Phil > From: gin2c <no_reply > > Subject: Re: How to raise E2 > > Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 9:22 AM > There are no female or male > hormones. Both sexes have estradiol & > testosterone. If one or the other stays too low for > either sex then I believe that it should be supplemented. > > I MAKE too much E2 & not enough T. > I reduce the E2 & supplement the T. > > Some female supplement their T when it is too low. > It is the sex drive hormone for both female & male. > > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > If you really want to raise your E2 level then > apply some > > > E2. > > > > > > ADC has an Estrace Gel, E2, for about $7 for > several months > > > supply of a gram at a time. They also have > estriol, > > > which is a weaker form of estrogen, E1.   > > > The shipping charge is about $25 > > > > > > > > > I posted this before & it disappeared. > > > > > > Good luck, > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Phil and Dr. , Estradiol and progesterone are not just female hormones. They are also male hormones. I use progesterone to keep my estradiol down and it works very well. I don't feel like a woman. In fact, since using bio-identical progesterone cream I feel more like a man. jj > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > > If you really want to raise your E2 level then > > apply some > > > > E2. > > > > > > > > ADC has an Estrace Gel, E2, for about $7 for > > several months > > > > supply of a gram at a time. They also have > > estriol, > > > > which is a weaker form of estrogen, E1.   > > > > The shipping charge is about $25 > > > > > > > > > > > > I posted this before & it disappeared. > > > > > > > > Good luck, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Well your one of few men most don't do good on it like you say you did. If one needs Pro they can do Natural Pregnenolone cream and is will convert into the Pro one needs. But if it works for you great men that tried it and got Gyno were not happy about it. Co-Moderator Phil > From: jjsmith4554 <jjsmith4554@...> > Subject: Re: How to raise E2 > > Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 5:13 PM > > Phil and Dr. , > > Estradiol and progesterone are not just female hormones. > They are also male hormones. I use progesterone to keep my > estradiol down and it works very well. I don't feel like a > woman. In fact, since using bio-identical progesterone cream > I feel more like a man. > > jj > > > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > > > > If you really want to raise your E2 > level then > > > apply some > > > > > E2. > > > > > > > > > > ADC has an Estrace Gel, E2, for about > $7 for > > > several months > > > > > supply of a gram at a time. They also > have > > > estriol, > > > > > which is a weaker form of estrogen, > E1.   > > > > > The shipping charge is about $25 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I posted this before & it > disappeared. > > > > > > > > > > Good luck, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 I only use enough to get my estradiol down to about 25 pg/ml which is exactly where you tell other guys it should be. Gyno is from having too much estradiol. I don't so I don't have gyno. jj > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > > > > > > If you really want to raise your E2 > > level then > > > > apply some > > > > > > E2. > > > > > > > > > > > > ADC has an Estrace Gel, E2, for about > > $7 for > > > > several months > > > > > > supply of a gram at a time. They also > > have > > > > estriol, > > > > > > which is a weaker form of estrogen, > > E1.   > > > > > > The shipping charge is about $25 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I posted this before & it > > disappeared. > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 JJ it's working for you but I and Dr. even Hardasnails don't feel men should use it. I have been at this for yrs reading posts from men and talking to them when they read on the web it is good for men them Dr.'s saying this are not up on male hormones. I don't want to spend a lot of time on this it's old all ready I have talked my self blue in the face at many web sites about this topic. Some guys listen some don't them that don't we hear back from them that they were feeling like they had PMS and crying at sad movies and getting gyno. .. Here is just on thing by a Dr. that sees thousands of men for low Testosterone. ========================================================================== progesterone converts to female hormones and pregneolone does not convert directly. By giving the body the raw building material it decides on where it wants to go. Preg through skin goes more to progesterone progesterone through skin can more likely go to estrogen pathway. Co-Moderator Phil > From: jjsmith4554 <jjsmith4554@...> > Subject: Re: How to raise E2 > > Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 10:21 PM > I only use enough to get my estradiol > down to about 25 pg/ml which is exactly where you tell other > guys it should be. Gyno is from having too much estradiol. I > don't so I don't have gyno. > > jj > > > > > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you really want to raise > your E2 > > > level then > > > > > apply some > > > > > > > E2. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ADC has an Estrace Gel, E2, > for about > > > $7 for > > > > > several months > > > > > > > supply of a gram at a time. > They also > > > have > > > > > estriol, > > > > > > > which is a weaker form of > estrogen, > > > E1.   > > > > > > > The shipping charge is > about $25 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I posted this before & > it > > > disappeared. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 That is why one used pregnenolone to do the same job with out feminzing effects of straight progesterone. > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > > > > If you really want to raise your E2 level then > > > apply some > > > > > E2. > > > > > > > > > > ADC has an Estrace Gel, E2, for about $7 for > > > several months > > > > > supply of a gram at a time. They also have > > > estriol, > > > > > which is a weaker form of estrogen, E1.   > > > > > The shipping charge is about $25 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I posted this before & it disappeared. > > > > > > > > > > Good luck, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 http://lib.store..net/lib/gentlepharmacy/Q-A-Men.html The expert on Progesterone for males & females is Dr. lee. Bing " Dr. Lee male progesterone " My doc also said for me to use it. > > JJ it's working for you but I and Dr. even Hardasnails don't feel men should use it. I have been at this for yrs reading posts from men and talking to them when they read on the web it is good for men them Dr.'s saying this are not up on male hormones. I don't want to spend a lot of time on this it's old all ready I have talked my self blue in the face at many web sites about this topic. Some guys listen some don't them that don't we hear back from them that they were feeling like they had PMS and crying at sad movies and getting gyno. > . Here is just on thing by a Dr. that sees thousands of men for low Testosterone. > > > > ========================================================================== > progesterone converts to female hormones and pregneolone does not convert directly. By giving the body the raw building material it decides on where it wants to go. > Preg through skin goes more to progesterone > progesterone through skin can more likely go to estrogen pathway. > > Co-Moderator > Phil > > <snip> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 you are correct and you also need some e2 to make testosterone also do its job as well too. low e2 is actuall worse then high e2 in some cases > > > <snip> > > > > > > If you really want to raise your E2 level then apply some > > > E2. > > > > > > ADC has an Estrace Gel, E2, for about $7 for several months > > > supply of a gram at a time. They also have estriol, > > > which is a weaker form of estrogen, E1.   > > > The shipping charge is about $25 > > > > > > > > > I posted this before & it disappeared. > > > > > > Good luck, > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 1 What is progesterone? Progesterone is a steroid hormone made by both men and women. In women, it is made the corpus luteum of the ovary and in smaller amounts by the adrenal glands. In men, is produced in adrenal and testicular tissue. ========================================================================== How do you know the Pro you doing is the same strucor as whats made in man the hormones in men are made from the testis and in women from the ovary. Not the same it's best if now needs Pro becaue there labs are low to take Pre. cream it's at the top of the hormone chain and will convert into other hormones your body needs with out your over doing it. http://www.vitaminusa.com/prbocr2ozbyl.html Co-Moderator Phil > From: gin2c <no_reply > > Subject: Re: How to raise E2 > > Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010, 10:22 AM > http://lib.store..net/lib/gentlepharmacy/Q-A-Men.html > > The expert on Progesterone for males & females is Dr. > lee. > Bing " Dr. Lee male progesterone " > > My doc also said for me to use it. > > > > > > > > > JJ it's working for you but I and Dr. even > Hardasnails don't feel men should use it. I have been at > this for yrs reading posts from men and talking to them when > they read on the web it is good for men them Dr.'s saying > this are not up on male hormones. I don't want to > spend a lot of time on this it's old all ready I have talked > my self blue in the face at many web sites about this > topic. Some guys listen some don't them that don't we > hear back from them that they were feeling like they had PMS > and crying at sad movies and getting gyno. > > . Here is just on thing by a Dr. that sees > thousands of men for low Testosterone. > > > > > > > > > ========================================================================== > > progesterone converts to female hormones and > pregneolone does not convert directly. By giving the body > the raw building material it decides on where it wants to > go. > > Preg through skin goes more to progesterone > > progesterone through skin can more likely go to > estrogen pathway. > > > > Co-Moderator > > Phil > > > > > <snip> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 My progesterone level is exactly the same as a young man's so how can it be feminizing? jj > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > > > > > > If you really want to raise your E2 level then > > > > apply some > > > > > > E2. > > > > > > > > > > > > ADC has an Estrace Gel, E2, for about $7 for > > > > several months > > > > > > supply of a gram at a time. They also have > > > > estriol, > > > > > > which is a weaker form of estrogen, E1.   > > > > > > The shipping charge is about $25 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I posted this before & it disappeared. > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 I think you have that wrong. I take progesterone to reduce my estradiol levels. My E2 was nearly 50 and it dropped to the mid-20's with bio-identical progesterone cream. jj > > > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you really want to raise > > your E2 > > > > level then > > > > > > apply some > > > > > > > > E2. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ADC has an Estrace Gel, E2, > > for about > > > > $7 for > > > > > > several months > > > > > > > > supply of a gram at a time. > > They also > > > > have > > > > > > estriol, > > > > > > > > which is a weaker form of > > estrogen, > > > > E1.   > > > > > > > > The shipping charge is > > about $25 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I posted this before & > > it > > > > disappeared. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2010 Report Share Posted February 4, 2010 My Doctor said the mainstream approach to reducing high E2 levels was daily Zinc (50mg) and weight reduction. I asked about Progesterone and she said that didn't make any sense. What are you reading that says Progesterone reduces E2 in men? > > > > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you really want to raise > > > your E2 > > > > > level then > > > > > > > apply some > > > > > > > > > E2. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ADC has an Estrace Gel, E2, > > > for about > > > > > $7 for > > > > > > > several months > > > > > > > > > supply of a gram at a time. > > > They also > > > > > have > > > > > > > estriol, > > > > > > > > > which is a weaker form of > > > estrogen, > > > > > E1.   > > > > > > > > > The shipping charge is > > > about $25 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I posted this before & > > > it > > > > > disappeared. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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