Help Finding Message on Blood Pressure Meds

[Guest guest]

There was a recent message on here with good info about the side effects of

various blood pressure medications. I cannot find it, even with the advanced

message search. Can someone please point me to the message number?

Thanks,

Bob

[Guest guest]

Bob with out the subject name good link finding this unless it was not to long

ago. I would just start reading and going back. Or go to the ED forum at this

link they are up on BP meds and ED problems.

Alt-Support-Impotence-ASI/

A lot of members here are members there.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: rtolz <no_reply >

> Subject: Help Finding Message on Blood Pressure Meds

>

> Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 11:59 AM

> There was a recent message on here

> with good info about the side effects of various blood

> pressure medications.  I cannot find it, even with the

> advanced message search.  Can someone please point me

> to the message number?

>

> Thanks,

>        Bob

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bob,

I am not sure about the message or links you are referring to I can tell you

from first hand experience that carvedilol brand name " Coreg " has given me a

case of Peyronie's Disease. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peyronie's_disease

The diagnosis was confirmed by a urologist just recently. According to the

literature it isn't supposed to happen:

http://journals.lww.com/smajournalonline/Fulltext/2008/11000/Peyronie_Disease_in\

_Association_with_Carvedilol__A.28.aspx

According to the above article other beta blockers can cause Peyronie's Disease.

But do you think they are going to tell you about these serious dangers?

Here is more showing you what this disease can do to you. Warning the

pictures are graphic:

http://www.peyronies-disease-help.com/pictures-of-peyronies-disease.html

I am sure there are thousands of cases that go unreported. How many of us

men are going to go to the doctor complaining " my pecker is crooked " . I didn't

until I just happened to run accost a reference to the disease while doing

research on testosterone.

I can also tell you from from first hand experience that Enalapril gave me

some serious ED problems.

Also Lisinopril and Enalapril has been associated with similar issues:

http://www.ajhp.org/cgi/content/abstract/65/5/420

I know this is slightly off topic but none the less it is something us men

need to be aware of as the medical profession is in complete denial of the

serious dangers of these drugs.

I would be interested in hearing from anyone else on this group who has this

problem from taking any beta blocker. Or anyone who had Peyronie's Disease how

you may have treated it or how long it took to resolve. The urologist I said my

case may resolve itself in about a year without treatment. My PA that

prescribed the carvedilol wants to put me on the vasodilating nondihydropyridine

CCB, verapamil that was mentioned in the PD article but I am not so sure about

taking it. Anyone had any experience with that?

Here is another link on drugs that can cause ED:

http://www.webmd.com/erectile-dysfunction/guide/drugs-linked-erectile-dysfunctio\

n

Brett

>

> There was a recent message on here with good info about the side effects of

various blood pressure medications. I cannot find it, even with the advanced

message search. Can someone please point me to the message number?

>

> Thanks,

> Bob

>

[Guest guest]

...Hey Brett,

...Sorry that you've joined the elite Peyronie's club!! I first experienced

symptoms seven years ago at age 52 (45-deg upward curvature, but no ED) two

years before my heart attack (which is when I first started on beta-blockers,

statins, ACE inhibitors and a variety of other chemicals - just recently

replaced metoprolol with CoReg). Very troublesome to our sex life, but there

seems to be a mandatory 1-year waiting period before even 'trying' surgery or

even some of the other pseudo-treatments. To date I have seen no evidence that

any scientist or physician really knows the WHY's or certainly the CURE's (even

though some may claim to know).

...After a year or two, a second event did occur (I assume that the opposing

'cavernosa' became blocked), which tended to straighten me out, but at the cost

of 30% total shrinkage (both flaccid and erect). While more challenging

(especially considering our combined protruding belly fat), we still find

ways....

...If the diminished Testosterone levels allow the libido to remain, we'll do

fine as we enter our fifth decade together. If anything, I would find it easy to

attribute my lower than normal T to the barrage of meds.

...I'm now confident that the same vascular condition that led to my heart attack

must have taken its toll in the pubic area a little earlier following 15 years

of untreated high cholestorol (250-350). Verapamil is a commonly prescribed

treatment for Peyronies, but you won't get any promises from anyone. Sure hope

to hear that it works for you, if you try it. There are a few other options that

seem to have shown no efficacy at all in ten or more years of trial, IMHO.

...The year-long wait is more of an adjustment period. The percentage of guys

whose problem 'resolves' during that year is extremely low. But not many benefit

for any length of time from any of the follow-up 'treatments' currently being

used either. Best of luck Brett!!

...I really hate to be the voice of pessimism, but since you used the term

'case'..., I now think of it as a lifelong affliction. Since only 1 out of 20

men face the problem while they're still young enough for it to matter, further

study and treatment are highly unlikely any time soon (comparable to the

hypogonadism science).

.................GARY V......................

> Bob,

> I am not sure about the message or links you are referring to I can tell

you from first hand experience that carvedilol brand name " Coreg " has given me a

case of Peyronie's Disease. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peyronie's_disease

> The diagnosis was confirmed by a urologist just recently. According to the

literature it isn't supposed to happen:

> According to the above article other beta blockers can cause Peyronie's

Disease. But do you think they are going to tell you about these serious

dangers?

> I am sure there are thousands of cases that go unreported. How many of us

men are going to go to the doctor complaining " my pecker is crooked " . I didn't

until I just happened to run accost a reference to the disease while doing

research on testosterone.

> I can also tell you from from first hand experience that Enalapril gave me

some serious ED problems.

> Also Lisinopril and Enalapril has been associated with similar issues:

> I know this is slightly off topic but none the less it is something us men

need to be aware of as the medical profession is in complete denial of the

serious dangers of these drugs.

> I would be interested in hearing from anyone else on this group who has

this problem from taking any beta blocker. Or anyone who had Peyronie's Disease

how you may have treated it or how long it took to resolve. The urologist I

said my case may resolve itself in about a year without treatment. My PA that

prescribed the carvedilol wants to put me on the vasodilating nondihydropyridine

CCB, verapamil that was mentioned in the PD article but I am not so sure about

taking it. Anyone had any experience with that?

> Brett

[Guest guest]

There is a lot of info at the brother forum for ED problems at this link.

Alt-Support-Impotence-ASI/

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: L <lindav1950@...>

> Subject: Re: Help Finding Message on Blood Pressure Meds

>

> Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 11:29 AM

> ..Hey Brett,

> ..Sorry that you've joined the elite Peyronie's

> club!!  I first experienced symptoms seven years ago at

> age 52 (45-deg upward curvature, but no ED) two years before

> my heart attack (which is when I first started on

> beta-blockers, statins, ACE inhibitors and a variety of

> other chemicals - just recently replaced metoprolol with

> CoReg). Very troublesome to our sex life, but there seems to

> be a mandatory 1-year waiting period before even 'trying'

> surgery or even some of the other pseudo-treatments. To date

> I have seen no evidence that any scientist or physician

> really knows the WHY's or certainly the CURE's (even though

> some may claim to know).

> ..After a year or two, a second event did occur (I assume

> that the opposing 'cavernosa' became blocked), which tended

> to straighten me out, but at the cost of 30% total shrinkage

> (both flaccid and erect). While more challenging (especially

> considering our combined protruding belly fat), we still

> find ways....

> ..If the diminished Testosterone levels allow the libido to

> remain, we'll do fine as we enter our fifth decade together.

> If anything, I would find it easy to attribute my lower than

> normal T to the barrage of meds.

> ..I'm now confident that the same vascular condition that

> led to my heart attack must have taken its toll in the pubic

> area a little earlier following 15 years of untreated high

> cholestorol (250-350). Verapamil is a commonly prescribed

> treatment for Peyronies, but you won't get any promises from

> anyone. Sure hope to hear that it works for you, if you try

> it. There are a few other options that seem to have shown no

> efficacy at all in ten or more years of trial, IMHO.

> ..The year-long wait is more of an adjustment period. The

> percentage of guys whose problem 'resolves' during that year

> is extremely low. But not many benefit for any length of

> time from any of the follow-up 'treatments' currently being

> used either. Best of luck Brett!!

> ..I really hate to be the voice of pessimism, but since you

> used the term 'case'..., I now think of it as a lifelong

> affliction. Since only 1 out of 20 men face the problem

> while they're still young enough for it to matter, further

> study and treatment are highly unlikely any time soon

> (comparable to the hypogonadism science).

> ................GARY V......................

>

>

> > Bob,

> >    I am not sure about the message or links

> you are referring to I can tell you from first hand

> experience that carvedilol brand name " Coreg " has given me a

> case of Peyronie's Disease. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peyronie's_disease

> >   The diagnosis was confirmed by a

> urologist just recently.  According to the literature

> it isn't supposed to happen:

> > According to the above article other beta blockers can

> cause Peyronie's Disease. But do you think they are going to

> tell you about these serious dangers?

> >     I am sure there are thousands

> of cases that go unreported. How many of us men are going to

> go to the doctor complaining " my pecker is crooked " .  I

> didn't until I just happened to run accost a reference to

> the disease while doing research on testosterone.

> >     I can also tell you from from

> first hand experience that Enalapril gave me some serious ED

> problems.

> > Also Lisinopril and Enalapril has been associated with

> similar issues:

> >     I know this is slightly off

> topic but none the less it is something us men need to be

> aware of as the medical profession is in complete denial of

> the serious dangers of these drugs. 

> >     I would be interested in

> hearing from anyone else on this group who has this problem

> from taking any beta blocker.  Or anyone who had

> Peyronie's Disease how you may have treated it or how long

> it took to resolve.  The urologist I said my case may

> resolve itself in about a year without treatment.  My

> PA that prescribed the carvedilol wants to put me on the

> vasodilating nondihydropyridine CCB, verapamil that was

> mentioned in the PD article but I am not so sure about

> taking it.  Anyone had any experience with that?

> > Brett

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

We can have another discusion about it, I am not taking any blood pressure meds

now that I have the testosterone and estradiol balanced. My BP is about 135/95

currently. I went off all the BP meds before starting testosterone, and my BP

was at 165/105. Yes, hormone replacement shaved 30 points off my blood

pressure.

Every high blood pressure med I have been on has caused or made ED worse,

especially the most innocent seeming one, hydrocorothiazide, AKA the water pill.

This one also slowly killed my libido, and I suspect lowered my testosterone

levels into hypogonadic levels.

I have low test in my family, so it was going to happen anyways, but the meds

simply made it happen faster. Are you on TRT now? and where is your blood

pressure?

>

> There was a recent message on here with good info about the side effects of

various blood pressure medications. I cannot find it, even with the advanced

message search. Can someone please point me to the message number?

>

> Thanks,

> Bob

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks , Phil, Bill

Young or old I am not sure that maters to me about Peyronie's. What really

T's me off is the total denial of the medical community of the dangers of these

drugs yet they hand them out like there candy with no discussion of the serious

dangers that these blood pressure meds can pose to one's health. If I had a

clue to watch for such things I wouldn't have kept taking the stuff for over 9

months after the Peyronie's really got bad. If I hadn't have run across the

reference to Peyronie's on the internet I still wouldn't know what was going on

with me. And here I thought that was the one part of me that wasn't broke save

a little ED maybe, but these idiot doctors pawns of the drug cartel, managed to

break that too. You don't think it too obvious, do you, that I really don't

like doctors?

I have heard some reports that study's actually show people with untreated

high blood pleasure live longer and healthier than those who take the BP meds.

I haven't seen any study's to support that so I certainly don't know whether it

is true or not.

My urologist while not totally accepting what I am sure of that the

carvedilol caused this thinks mine will clear up in about a year with out

treatment. Lets hope he's right. So sorry that you are still having such a

problem with yours. With all the meds you are taking how can you be sure that

your not still feeding it? I can't be totally sure it's still early since I

stopped taking the carvedilol at the end of January but the curve doesn't seem

to be as abrupt as it was before so I am thinking that is a good sign. In any

case I don't think I would ever consider surgery. The satisfaction rate with

that is somewhere in the pits from everything I read about it.

I am trying to detox as much as possible and like I told my PA before I ever

started the BP meds the possibility of having a heart attack just doesn't scare

me at near as much as it does him. If he only knew all most every mornings over

the last ten years or more that I have woken up feeling so miserable depressed

that I just pray the Good Lord that he would just let me die and not have to

endure another day. That was pre T treatment. Sorry don't mean to sound so

depressing but that is were I was. I use morphine for back pain because I can't

tolerate any pain meds with acetaminophen in it. When the morphine kicks in it

lifted my mood some but not good and by bed time at night I would be pining off

the walls. Then the process would start all over again the next day. Thank

God that the T treatment has lifted my sprits some. Probably I am noticing the

Peyronie's more now with the T doing it's thing.

Well wish me luck, I think I scarred my PA asking for a Estradiol test and

such. He said " You know more about this than I do, I'm sending you to a

endro. " I did get my Estradiol test though last Monday. Still waiting for the

results. We will see where it goes from here.

Brett

> > Bob,

> > I am not sure about the message or links you are referring to I can tell

you from first hand experience that carvedilol brand name " Coreg " has given me a

case of Peyronie's Disease. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peyronie's_disease

> > The diagnosis was confirmed by a urologist just recently. According to

the literature it isn't supposed to happen:

> > According to the above article other beta blockers can cause Peyronie's

Disease. But do you think they are going to tell you about these serious

dangers?

> > I am sure there are thousands of cases that go unreported. How many of

us men are going to go to the doctor complaining " my pecker is crooked " . I

didn't until I just happened to run accost a reference to the disease while

doing research on testosterone.

> > I can also tell you from from first hand experience that Enalapril gave

me some serious ED problems.

> > Also Lisinopril and Enalapril has been associated with similar issues:

> > I know this is slightly off topic but none the less it is something us

men need to be aware of as the medical profession is in complete denial of the

serious dangers of these drugs.

> > I would be interested in hearing from anyone else on this group who has

this problem from taking any beta blocker. Or anyone who had Peyronie's Disease

how you may have treated it or how long it took to resolve. The urologist I

said my case may resolve itself in about a year without treatment. My PA that

prescribed the carvedilol wants to put me on the vasodilating nondihydropyridine

CCB, verapamil that was mentioned in the PD article but I am not so sure about

taking it. Anyone had any experience with that?

> > Brett

>

[Guest guest]

Yep and when Dr.'s don't know about hormones they want to send you to a Dr. that

knows less then he dose a Dam Endo. To me if you don't have sugar problems this

is the last kind of Dr. anyone should see.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: br7ok <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: Help Finding Message on Blood Pressure Meds

>

> Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 9:51 PM

> Thanks , Phil, Bill

>     Young or old I am not sure that maters to me

> about Peyronie's.  What really T's me off is the total

> denial of the medical community of the dangers of these

> drugs yet they hand them out like there candy with no

> discussion of the serious dangers that these blood pressure

> meds can pose to one's health.  If I had a clue to

> watch for such things I wouldn't have kept taking the stuff

> for over 9 months after the Peyronie's really got bad. 

> If I hadn't have run across the reference to Peyronie's on

> the internet I still wouldn't know what was going on with

> me.  And here I thought that was the one part of me

> that wasn't broke save a little ED maybe, but these idiot

> doctors pawns of the drug cartel, managed to break that

> too.  You don't think it too obvious, do you, that I

> really don't like doctors? 

>     I have heard some reports that study's

> actually show people with untreated high blood pleasure live

> longer and healthier than those who take the BP meds. 

> I haven't seen any study's to support that so I certainly

> don't know whether it is true or not.

>    My urologist while not totally accepting

> what I am sure of that the carvedilol caused this thinks

> mine will clear up in about a year with out

> treatment.   Lets hope he's

> right.   So sorry that you are still having

> such a problem with yours.  With all the meds you are

> taking how can you be sure that your not still feeding

> it?   I can't be totally sure it's still

> early since I stopped taking the carvedilol at the end of

> January but the curve doesn't seem to be as abrupt as it was

> before so I am thinking that is a good sign.  In any

> case I don't think I would ever consider surgery.  The

> satisfaction rate with that is somewhere in the pits from

> everything I read about it.

>     I am trying to detox as much as possible and

> like I told my PA before I ever started the BP meds the

> possibility of having a heart attack just doesn't scare me

> at near as much as it does him.  If he only knew all

> most every mornings over the last ten years or more that I

> have woken up feeling so miserable depressed that I just

> pray the Good Lord that he would just let me die and not

> have to endure another day.  That was pre T

> treatment.  Sorry don't mean to sound so depressing but

> that is were I was.  I use morphine for back pain

> because I can't tolerate any pain meds with acetaminophen in

> it.  When the morphine kicks in it lifted my mood some

> but not good and by bed time at night I would be pining off

> the walls.  Then the process would start all over again

> the next day.   Thank God that the T

> treatment has lifted my sprits some.  Probably I am

> noticing the Peyronie's more now with the T doing it's

> thing. 

>     Well wish me luck,  I think I scarred my

> PA asking for a Estradiol test and such.  He said " You

> know more about this than I do, I'm sending  you to a

> endro. "   I did get my Estradiol test though last

> Monday.  Still waiting for the results.  We will

> see where it goes from here.

> Brett

>

>

> > > Bob,

> > >    I am not sure about the message or

> links you are referring to I can tell you from first hand

> experience that carvedilol brand name " Coreg " has given me a

> case of Peyronie's Disease. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peyronie's_disease

> > >   The diagnosis was confirmed by a

> urologist just recently.  According to the literature

> it isn't supposed to happen:

> > > According to the above article other beta

> blockers can cause Peyronie's Disease. But do you think they

> are going to tell you about these serious dangers?

> > >     I am sure there are

> thousands of cases that go unreported. How many of us men

> are going to go to the doctor complaining " my pecker is

> crooked " .  I didn't until I just happened to run accost

> a reference to the disease while doing research on

> testosterone.

> > >     I can also tell you from

> from first hand experience that Enalapril gave me some

> serious ED problems.

> > > Also Lisinopril and Enalapril has been associated

> with similar issues:

> > >     I know this is slightly

> off topic but none the less it is something us men need to

> be aware of as the medical profession is in complete denial

> of the serious dangers of these drugs. 

> > >     I would be interested in

> hearing from anyone else on this group who has this problem

> from taking any beta blocker.  Or anyone who had

> Peyronie's Disease how you may have treated it or how long

> it took to resolve.  The urologist I said my case may

> resolve itself in about a year without treatment.  My

> PA that prescribed the carvedilol wants to put me on the

> vasodilating nondihydropyridine CCB, verapamil that was

> mentioned in the PD article but I am not so sure about

> taking it.  Anyone had any experience with that?

> > > Brett

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>