Re: Re: Interesting View of Arimidex by Body Builders

[Guest guest]

Read this link to a study about Arimidex lowering Estradiol in men 979,000 hits.

My Drug store told me he sells it to more men then women. And BCBS pays for it.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en & lr= & ie=ISO-8859-1 & q=%2Barimidex+%2Blowering+e\

strogen+%2Bmen & btnG=Google+Search

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: james186282 <pillow@...>

> Subject: Re: Interesting View of Arimidex by Body Builders

>

> Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 1:29 PM

> Hi Dan:

>

> Interesting post and for what its worth...  This echos

> what several doctors I see say about Arimidex.  They

> warned me long term use may also atrophy the control center

> that regulates hormone production and they thought regular

> use was not a good idea for that reason.  *And ditto

> Clomid for stimulating the testes.  Take over the work

> for too long and the worker gets weak and quits.

>

> My GP was more specific.  She said that very often

> Doctors will suggest a drug off label.  For example

> using a nerve drug (for diabetics) to help with chronic

> pain.  Its not " meant " for that but known to work and

> it supposed to be safe.  Arimidex she told me is not

> tested for safety (or anything) in men at all.  That

> its only use is for advanced cancer treatment in terminally

> ill women.  So (My thoughts) for obvious reasons its

> not as straightforward as maybe some other drugs because the

> only patients that use it are terminal.  For all of

> those reasons she felt it would not be " ok " to

> prescribe.  She suggested instead that I take Zinc and

> work on reducing my weight (Way too much flab) and that

> seems to have worked for me.  Weight loss and a good

> BMI are always good things to shoot for (I think) and the

> Zinc?  Well as things go much less to worry about then

> being a pioneer " testing " Arimidex.  I think it would

> be great if some of the labs that make this drug would get a

> study going to see how it works for men but until then I

> personally will pass.

>

>

> >

> > I got this off a web page - interesing doses they use

> and make reference to OTC products typically not mentioned

> here:

> >

> > Any drug taken for too long will have negative

> consequences in the body.  The use of caffeine for

> weeks, for example, leads to an addiction which will leave

> the user with a pounding headache each day.  Long-term

> use of anabolic, or post-cycle therapy compounds, can be

> even more dangerous.  Every day you use a compound, the

> functions of several systems in your body are altered. 

> Over time, these can lead to unintended health

> consequences.

> >

> > Arimidex is a very popular drug for limiting the

> effects of estrogen in the body.  It is used as part of

> a post-cycle therapy plan.  You see, following a heavy

> cycle or a pre-contest phase, you are typically going to

> taper off your AAS use.  This results in crashing

> testosterone levels and spiking estrogen levels.  This

> means, without PCT, you would lose your muscle and see some

> nasty side effects, including bloating and

> gynecomastia.  Arimidex stops these negative side

> effects from occurring. However, many bodybuilders tend to

> “cruise� on Arimidex from the minute their

> cycle ends, until their next one begins.  This not only

> doesn’t give the body a true break, but it also can

> lead to long-term consequences from the Arimidex

> itself.  Let’s look at some of the most

> important issues regarding Arimidex usage.

> >

> > Estrogen does have its purposes

> > Arimidex limits the amount of estrogen produced in

> your body.  There’s only one problem here †"

> you NEED a fair amount of estrogen for several body

> functions, including muscle building itself.  Estrogen

> must also be present for a strong sexual drive (Yes, even in

> men) as well as to achieve and maintain healthy cholesterol

> levels.  Many bodybuilders see estrogen as an enemy,

> but that’s not accurate.  Too much estrogen is

> what causes problems.

> >

> > Moderation is the key

> > Like any compound, you must use Arimidex in the

> adequate dose for an adequate time period.  You just

> cannot stay on it forever.  If you’re only

> taking 2 to 3 total Arimidex pills per week, you can safely

> maintain usage for several months at a time.  If

> you’re taking 1-2 per day, as many bodybuilders so

> irresponsibly do in an attempt to keep their muscles

> following a cycle, then you’re going to need to halt

> use after 6 to 8 weeks.  Each week should reduce the

> total number of the original dose by 20 to 25%, assuring

> you’ve nearly completed the cycle and are completely

> clean in 2 months.

> >

> > Recommended products

> > There is a wealth of good products you can use to

> deliver the PCT effects you desire.  OTC solutions such

> as Novedex XP (by Gaspari) and 6-Oxo by Ergopharm are

> probably as effective as Arimidex, and are legal and easily

> obtainable as well.  However, if you want to use in

> heavy dosages, which is typically not recommended,

> you’ll want to seek out actual Arimidex.

> >

> > The bottom line is that PCT is something that should

> never be taken lightly.  Too much will hurt your

> body’s systems, and too little will result in

> negative side effects.   The use of an

> over-the-counter solution in moderate dosing is probably

> your best solution!

> >

> >

http://knol.google.com/k/dane-fletcher/long-term-arimidex-use/1yijtt1e6h32o/254#

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Unfortunately its all about numbers and money. The number of men that have

Hypogonadism is listed at approximately 1 million. Knowing how men process

things, that means that there is probably several million but they won't seek

treatment. The cost to do a an appropriate test can cost millions (double blind

test with a significant number of test). Therefore the drug manufacturer

probably views this as not cost beneficial - especially with the patent ending

this year.

 

Now put your self in a position where you are not overweight and zinc does not

reduce your E2. As you mentioned, Drs. have varying opinions on use in men. I

probably won't wait 30 years for the results to be honest.

 

Arkansas

From: james186282 <pillow@...>

Subject: Re: Interesting View of Arimidex by Body Builders

Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010, 1:45 PM

 

Hi Phil:

That maybe true but there are also millions of men who buy " internet " Viagra

which is often what? Sheetrock pills made in Red China? If numbers are

everything then that would be just as good an idea. Correct? And I don't think

drug therapies are a popularity contest and I hope you don't either.

I would be much more interested in a discussion of what the three Doctors I saw

said about their concerns over using this drug in men. Can long term use atrophy

or damage the control centers of the brain that regulate hormone production?

They all seemed to think so. One of these doctors is a professor and teaches

Urology at the U. Has Arimidex ever been tested for safety in men? I'm pretty

sure that answer is still no. Is any drug thats limited to people who are

terminally ill that well tested anyhow?

I understand that many doctors provide drugs off label. I " get " that there are

times this is worth doing. The nerve meds for pain for example. But I think

anyone doing this should have a picture of the potential issues and just how

much of a dice toss this is.

ly I can't understand why someone does NOT run a study and publish it. It

seems like that would open up a good market (Half the population) to use this

drug.

In the meantime whats wrong with loosing weight and taking Zinc once or twice a

day? By that I mean if this works? WHY screw with Arimidex?

-

> > >

> > > I got this off a web page - interesing doses they use

> > and make reference to OTC products typically not mentioned

> > here:

> > >

> > > Any drug taken for too long will have negative

> > consequences in the body.  The use of caffeine for

> > weeks, for example, leads to an addiction which will leave

> > the user with a pounding headache each day.  Long-term

> > use of anabolic, or post-cycle therapy compounds, can be

> > even more dangerous.  Every day you use a compound, the

> > functions of several systems in your body are altered. 

> > Over time, these can lead to unintended health

> > consequences.

> > >

> > > Arimidex is a very popular drug for limiting the

> > effects of estrogen in the body.  It is used as part of

> > a post-cycle therapy plan.  You see, following a heavy

> > cycle or a pre-contest phase, you are typically going to

> > taper off your AAS use.  This results in crashing

> > testosterone levels and spiking estrogen levels.  This

> > means, without PCT, you would lose your muscle and see some

> > nasty side effects, including bloating and

> > gynecomastia.  Arimidex stops these negative side

> > effects from occurring. However, many bodybuilders tend to

> >  " cruise� on Arimidex from the minute their

> > cycle ends, until their next one begins.  This not only

> > doesn’t give the body a true break, but it also can

> > lead to long-term consequences from the Arimidex

> > itself.  Let’s look at some of the most

> > important issues regarding Arimidex usage.

> > >

> > > Estrogen does have its purposes

> > > Arimidex limits the amount of estrogen produced in

> > your body.  There’s only one problem here †"

> > you NEED a fair amount of estrogen for several body

> > functions, including muscle building itself.  Estrogen

> > must also be present for a strong sexual drive (Yes, even in

> > men) as well as to achieve and maintain healthy cholesterol

> > levels.  Many bodybuilders see estrogen as an enemy,

> > but that’s not accurate.  Too much estrogen is

> > what causes problems.

> > >

> > > Moderation is the key

> > > Like any compound, you must use Arimidex in the

> > adequate dose for an adequate time period.  You just

> > cannot stay on it forever.  If you’re only

> > taking 2 to 3 total Arimidex pills per week, you can safely

> > maintain usage for several months at a time.  If

> > you’re taking 1-2 per day, as many bodybuilders so

> > irresponsibly do in an attempt to keep their muscles

> > following a cycle, then you’re going to need to halt

> > use after 6 to 8 weeks.  Each week should reduce the

> > total number of the original dose by 20 to 25%, assuring

> > you’ve nearly completed the cycle and are completely

> > clean in 2 months.

> > >

> > > Recommended products

> > > There is a wealth of good products you can use to

> > deliver the PCT effects you desire.  OTC solutions such

> > as Novedex XP (by Gaspari) and 6-Oxo by Ergopharm are

> > probably as effective as Arimidex, and are legal and easily

> > obtainable as well.  However, if you want to use in

> > heavy dosages, which is typically not recommended,

> > you’ll want to seek out actual Arimidex.

> > >

> > > The bottom line is that PCT is something that should

> > never be taken lightly.  Too much will hurt your

> > body’s systems, and too little will result in

> > negative side effects.   The use of an

> > over-the-counter solution in moderate dosing is probably

> > your best solution!

> > >

> > > http://knol. google.com/ k/dane-fletcher/ long-term- arimidex-

use/1yijtt1e6h32 o/254#

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

You can try to lose weight and take zinc even Indolplex/DIM I have been on

Arimidex about 8 yrs now not problems. Men doing steroids have been useing it

from day one. Why no studys on men money.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: james186282 <pillow@...>

> Subject: Re: Interesting View of Arimidex by Body Builders

>

> Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010, 2:45 PM

> Hi Phil:

>

> That maybe true but there are also millions of men who buy

> " internet " Viagra which is often what?  Sheetrock pills

> made in Red China?  If numbers are everything then that

> would be just as good an idea.  Correct?  And I

> don't think drug therapies are a popularity contest and I

> hope you don't either. 

>

> I would be much more interested in a discussion of what the

> three Doctors I saw said about their concerns over using

> this drug in men.  Can long term use atrophy or damage

> the control centers of the brain that regulate hormone

> production?  They all seemed to think so.  One of

> these doctors is a professor and teaches Urology at the

> U.  Has Arimidex ever been tested for safety in

> men?  I'm pretty sure that answer is still no.  Is

> any drug thats limited to people who are terminally ill that

> well tested anyhow? 

>

> I understand that many doctors provide drugs off

> label.  I " get " that there are times this is worth

> doing.  The nerve meds for pain for example.  But

> I think anyone doing this should have a picture of the

> potential issues and just how much of a dice toss this is.

>

> ly I can't understand why someone does NOT run a study

> and publish it.  It seems like that would open up a

> good market (Half the population) to use this drug.

>

> In the meantime whats wrong with loosing weight and taking

> Zinc once or twice a day?  By that I mean if this

> works?  WHY screw with Arimidex?

>

> -

>

>

> > > >

> > > > I got this off a web page - interesing doses

> they use

> > > and make reference to OTC products typically not

> mentioned

> > > here:

> > > >

> > > > Any drug taken for too long will have

> negative

> > > consequences in the body.  The use of caffeine

> for

> > > weeks, for example, leads to an addiction which

> will leave

> > > the user with a pounding headache each day. 

> Long-term

> > > use of anabolic, or post-cycle therapy compounds,

> can be

> > > even more dangerous.  Every day you use a

> compound, the

> > > functions of several systems in your body are

> altered. 

> > > Over time, these can lead to unintended health

> > > consequences.

> > > >

> > > > Arimidex is a very popular drug for limiting

> the

> > > effects of estrogen in the body.  It is used

> as part of

> > > a post-cycle therapy plan.  You see, following

> a heavy

> > > cycle or a pre-contest phase, you are typically

> going to

> > > taper off your AAS use.  This results in

> crashing

> > > testosterone levels and spiking estrogen

> levels.  This

> > > means, without PCT, you would lose your muscle

> and see some

> > > nasty side effects, including bloating and

> > > gynecomastia.  Arimidex stops these negative

> side

> > > effects from occurring. However, many

> bodybuilders tend to

> > >  " cruise� on Arimidex

> from the minute their

> > > cycle ends, until their next one begins.  This

> not only

> > > doesn’t give the body a true

> break, but it also can

> > > lead to long-term consequences from the Arimidex

> > > itself.  Let’s look at some

> of the most

> > > important issues regarding Arimidex usage.

> > > >

> > > > Estrogen does have its purposes

> > > > Arimidex limits the amount of estrogen

> produced in

> > > your body.  There’s only one

> problem here †"

> > > you NEED a fair amount of estrogen for several

> body

> > > functions, including muscle building itself. 

> Estrogen

> > > must also be present for a strong sexual drive

> (Yes, even in

> > > men) as well as to achieve and maintain healthy

> cholesterol

> > > levels.  Many bodybuilders see estrogen as an

> enemy,

> > > but that’s not accurate.  Too

> much estrogen is

> > > what causes problems.

> > > >

> > > > Moderation is the key

> > > > Like any compound, you must use Arimidex in

> the

> > > adequate dose for an adequate time period. 

> You just

> > > cannot stay on it forever.  If

> you’re only

> > > taking 2 to 3 total Arimidex pills per week, you

> can safely

> > > maintain usage for several months at a time. 

> If

> > > you’re taking 1-2 per day, as

> many bodybuilders so

> > > irresponsibly do in an attempt to keep their

> muscles

> > > following a cycle, then you’re

> going to need to halt

> > > use after 6 to 8 weeks.  Each week should

> reduce the

> > > total number of the original dose by 20 to 25%,

> assuring

> > > you’ve nearly completed the

> cycle and are completely

> > > clean in 2 months.

> > > >

> > > > Recommended products

> > > > There is a wealth of good products you can

> use to

> > > deliver the PCT effects you desire.  OTC

> solutions such

> > > as Novedex XP (by Gaspari) and 6-Oxo by Ergopharm

> are

> > > probably as effective as Arimidex, and are legal

> and easily

> > > obtainable as well.  However, if you want to

> use in

> > > heavy dosages, which is typically not

> recommended,

> > > you’ll want to seek out actual

> Arimidex.

> > > >

> > > > The bottom line is that PCT is something

> that should

> > > never be taken lightly.  Too much will hurt

> your

> > > body’s systems, and too little

> will result in

> > > negative side effects.   The use of an

> > > over-the-counter solution in moderate dosing is

> probably

> > > your best solution!

> > > >

> > > >

http://knol.google.com/k/dane-fletcher/long-term-arimidex-use/1yijtt1e6h32o/254#

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I can't say I have seen any.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: james186282 <pillow@...>

> Subject: Re: Interesting View of Arimidex by Body Builders

>

> Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010, 2:48 PM

> Just a quick update.  I tried

> the google link you provided and every link I clicked (Until

> I gave up) was some steroid abuser forum.  How about

> some peer reviewed medical texts on (for example) PubMD?

>

> That would impress me a lot more.

>

>

> > > >

> > > > I got this off a web page - interesing doses

> they use

> > > and make reference to OTC products typically not

> mentioned

> > > here:

> > > >

> > > > Any drug taken for too long will have

> negative

> > > consequences in the body.  The use of caffeine

> for

> > > weeks, for example, leads to an addiction which

> will leave

> > > the user with a pounding headache each day. 

> Long-term

> > > use of anabolic, or post-cycle therapy compounds,

> can be

> > > even more dangerous.  Every day you use a

> compound, the

> > > functions of several systems in your body are

> altered. 

> > > Over time, these can lead to unintended health

> > > consequences.

> > > >

> > > > Arimidex is a very popular drug for limiting

> the

> > > effects of estrogen in the body.  It is used

> as part of

> > > a post-cycle therapy plan.  You see, following

> a heavy

> > > cycle or a pre-contest phase, you are typically

> going to

> > > taper off your AAS use.  This results in

> crashing

> > > testosterone levels and spiking estrogen

> levels.  This

> > > means, without PCT, you would lose your muscle

> and see some

> > > nasty side effects, including bloating and

> > > gynecomastia.  Arimidex stops these negative

> side

> > > effects from occurring. However, many

> bodybuilders tend to

> > >  " cruise� on Arimidex

> from the minute their

> > > cycle ends, until their next one begins.  This

> not only

> > > doesn’t give the body a true

> break, but it also can

> > > lead to long-term consequences from the Arimidex

> > > itself.  Let’s look at some

> of the most

> > > important issues regarding Arimidex usage.

> > > >

> > > > Estrogen does have its purposes

> > > > Arimidex limits the amount of estrogen

> produced in

> > > your body.  There’s only one

> problem here †"

> > > you NEED a fair amount of estrogen for several

> body

> > > functions, including muscle building itself. 

> Estrogen

> > > must also be present for a strong sexual drive

> (Yes, even in

> > > men) as well as to achieve and maintain healthy

> cholesterol

> > > levels.  Many bodybuilders see estrogen as an

> enemy,

> > > but that’s not accurate.  Too

> much estrogen is

> > > what causes problems.

> > > >

> > > > Moderation is the key

> > > > Like any compound, you must use Arimidex in

> the

> > > adequate dose for an adequate time period. 

> You just

> > > cannot stay on it forever.  If

> you’re only

> > > taking 2 to 3 total Arimidex pills per week, you

> can safely

> > > maintain usage for several months at a time. 

> If

> > > you’re taking 1-2 per day, as

> many bodybuilders so

> > > irresponsibly do in an attempt to keep their

> muscles

> > > following a cycle, then you’re

> going to need to halt

> > > use after 6 to 8 weeks.  Each week should

> reduce the

> > > total number of the original dose by 20 to 25%,

> assuring

> > > you’ve nearly completed the

> cycle and are completely

> > > clean in 2 months.

> > > >

> > > > Recommended products

> > > > There is a wealth of good products you can

> use to

> > > deliver the PCT effects you desire.  OTC

> solutions such

> > > as Novedex XP (by Gaspari) and 6-Oxo by Ergopharm

> are

> > > probably as effective as Arimidex, and are legal

> and easily

> > > obtainable as well.  However, if you want to

> use in

> > > heavy dosages, which is typically not

> recommended,

> > > you’ll want to seek out actual

> Arimidex.

> > > >

> > > > The bottom line is that PCT is something

> that should

> > > never be taken lightly.  Too much will hurt

> your

> > > body’s systems, and too little

> will result in

> > > negative side effects.   The use of an

> > > over-the-counter solution in moderate dosing is

> probably

> > > your best solution!

> > > >

> > > >

http://knol.google.com/k/dane-fletcher/long-term-arimidex-use/1yijtt1e6h32o/254#

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

If I waited for a study I would be dead today think about that. All I am saying

everything most Dr.'s know about men treating hypogonadism we all learned from

them men doing Steroids for body building. I am not saying what they did is

right but they paved the road for us.

And let me tell you about some up there Dr.'s and what they say it's all words

not the law. I have talked to more men in my life with this problem that have

been to one Dr. after the other all told the Dr. they are seeing is this best

they are not the best it's all in there heads.

I can understand your wanting a study on this or that but don't hold your

breath. Like I said if I waited for a study I would not be here trying to help

men go down the dam road I had to go down.

I still get dam mad when a guy comes here and posts his Dr. has been treating

him for Depression and he is not getting better. Then he comes here finds a

better Dr. and finds out he is not depressed but has low Testosterone. Then

first 5 yrs that I got sick after a few tests they told me this crap.

And drugged me up so bad I did not know where I was or who I was do they have

study for that no but I will be dammed they will not check men for low

testosterone or high Estradiol but they will put on some nasty dam

Antidepressant drugs.

And doing this I lost 5 yrs of my life almost lost my job and marriage.

You can read my story at this link and when of if you read it I have seem many

like mine.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=5 & t=9239

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: james186282 <pillow@...>

> Subject: Re: Interesting View of Arimidex by Body Builders

>

> Date: Saturday, March 6, 2010, 1:06 PM

> Dear Phil:

>

> Steroid abusers are not the same as a peer reviewed

> study.  At least not to me. 

>

> -

>

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I got this off a web page -

> interesing doses

> > > they use

> > > > > and make reference to OTC products

> typically not

> > > mentioned

> > > > > here:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Any drug taken for too long will

> have

> > > negative

> > > > > consequences in the body. 

> The use of caffeine

> > > for

> > > > > weeks, for example, leads to an

> addiction which

> > > will leave

> > > > > the user with a pounding headache each

> day.ÂÂ

> > > Long-term

> > > > > use of anabolic, or post-cycle therapy

> compounds,

> > > can be

> > > > > even more dangerous.  Every

> day you use a

> > > compound, the

> > > > > functions of several systems in your

> body are

> > > altered.ÂÂ

> > > > > Over time, these can lead to unintended

> health

> > > > > consequences.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Arimidex is a very popular drug

> for limiting

> > > the

> > > > > effects of estrogen in the

> body.  It is used

> > > as part of

> > > > > a post-cycle therapy plan. 

> You see, following

> > > a heavy

> > > > > cycle or a pre-contest phase, you are

> typically

> > > going to

> > > > > taper off your AAS use. 

> This results in

> > > crashing

> > > > > testosterone levels and spiking

> estrogen

> > > levels.  This

> > > > > means, without PCT, you would lose your

> muscle

> > > and see some

> > > > > nasty side effects, including bloating

> and

> > > > > gynecomastia.  Arimidex

> stops these negative

> > > side

> > > > > effects from occurring. However, many

> > > bodybuilders tend to

> > > > >

>  " cruise�

> on Arimidex

> > > from the minute their

> > > > > cycle ends, until their next one

> begins.  This

> > > not only

> > > > >

> doesn’t give the body a

> true

> > > break, but it also can

> > > > > lead to long-term consequences from the

> Arimidex

> > > > > itself. 

> Let’s look at some

> > > of the most

> > > > > important issues regarding Arimidex

> usage.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Estrogen does have its purposes

> > > > > > Arimidex limits the amount of

> estrogen

> > > produced in

> > > > > your body. 

> There’s only one

> > > problem here †"

> > > > > you NEED a fair amount of estrogen for

> several

> > > body

> > > > > functions, including muscle building

> itself.ÂÂ

> > > Estrogen

> > > > > must also be present for a strong

> sexual drive

> > > (Yes, even in

> > > > > men) as well as to achieve and maintain

> healthy

> > > cholesterol

> > > > > levels.  Many bodybuilders

> see estrogen as an

> > > enemy,

> > > > > but

> that’s not

> accurate.  Too

> > > much estrogen is

> > > > > what causes problems.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Moderation is the key

> > > > > > Like any compound, you must use

> Arimidex in

> > > the

> > > > > adequate dose for an adequate time

> period.ÂÂ

> > > You just

> > > > > cannot stay on it forever. 

> If

> > > you’re only

> > > > > taking 2 to 3 total Arimidex pills per

> week, you

> > > can safely

> > > > > maintain usage for several months at a

> time.ÂÂ

> > > If

> > > > >

> you’re taking 1-2 per

> day, as

> > > many bodybuilders so

> > > > > irresponsibly do in an attempt to keep

> their

> > > muscles

> > > > > following a cycle, then

> you’re

> > > going to need to halt

> > > > > use after 6 to 8 weeks. 

> Each week should

> > > reduce the

> > > > > total number of the original dose by 20

> to 25%,

> > > assuring

> > > > >

> you’ve nearly completed

> the

> > > cycle and are completely

> > > > > clean in 2 months.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Recommended products

> > > > > > There is a wealth of good products

> you can

> > > use to

> > > > > deliver the PCT effects you

> desire.  OTC

> > > solutions such

> > > > > as Novedex XP (by Gaspari) and 6-Oxo by

> Ergopharm

> > > are

> > > > > probably as effective as Arimidex, and

> are legal

> > > and easily

> > > > > obtainable as well. 

> However, if you want to

> > > use in

> > > > > heavy dosages, which is typically not

> > > recommended,

> > > > >

> you’ll want to seek out

> actual

> > > Arimidex.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The bottom line is that PCT is

> something

> > > that should

> > > > > never be taken lightly. 

> Too much will hurt

> > > your

> > > > >

> body’s systems, and too

> little

> > > will result in

> > > > > negative side effects. ÂÂ

>  The use of an

> > > > > over-the-counter solution in moderate

> dosing is

> > > probably

> > > > > your best solution!

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

http://knol.google.com/k/dane-fletcher/long-term-arimidex-use/1yijtt1e6h32o/254#

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Hey - here is my take on it from my perspective. Most guys on TRT probably

do shoot more than they need. For example, if I shoot 100 mg every 7 days, My

total T spikes to ~ 1400 and by end of the week is ~ 500. When your body sees

that big of a spike, its response is to eliminate some of it by conversion to E2

via the aromatase enzyme. Doing 2 shots a week was better at this because it

kept me 500-800. But being the lazy person I am I am only doing 1 shot a week.

Theoretically speaking, arimidex works as an aromatase inhibitor - which means

it blocks the enzyme from performing its normal function. Women have been using

this product for close to 10 years without affect - this is as close of a trial

as we currently have. There have been short term studies with elderly men but

nothing long term. Bottom line is it will be another 30 years or so before we

would see possible negative effects from this product. That will put me at 82 so

for me the risk is

worth the benefit I get from taking it. The normal dosage for women and the

test that were ran with elderly men was 1 mg per day which is ~ 8 times higher

than what I am taking. The balance comes in from what happens if you don't take

it - for me that is an enlarged prostate, anxiety, nipple issues, ED and I cry

like a little girl watching TV. We all have to make choices we are comfortable

with based on our age and current conditions. For me its worth the risk -

Arkansas

From: james186282 <pillow@...>

Subject: Re: Interesting View of Arimidex by Body Builders

Date: Saturday, March 6, 2010, 12:03 PM

 

Hi Dan:

It might be about the cost to test it. Or the people who make the drug feel

there is no way it will pass for this use and don't want to waste the money. I

honestly don't know. If it helps, I'll lay aside for the moment the idea that

its never been tested for safety in men for the moment but I really do think

that would be a nice project.

The AndroGel site said (If I remember this right) over 13 million men have

Hypogonadism and I think the numbers are under reported. But again we are

talking " numbers " and no one is talking about the points I keep trying to bring

up.

If that Professor of Urology (And the other two doctors I mentioned) says

extended use of this type of drug can screw up your hormone control center is

that not a good reason to avoid this?

For the men who have great BMI and still have high E2 there are some other

factors that can cause this. A eacy one is too much Testosterone (Maybe they are

doing 2 or *gag 3 week injection cycles?)

And the first part of the cycle is converting into E2. Anyway, I think it would

be good to try to find out why and address that directly then solve it with a

drug that I think has some pretty serious baggage.

> > > >

> > > > I got this off a web page - interesing doses they use

> > > and make reference to OTC products typically not mentioned

> > > here:

> > > >

> > > > Any drug taken for too long will have negative

> > > consequences in the body. The use of caffeine for

> > > weeks, for example, leads to an addiction which will leave

> > > the user with a pounding headache each day. Long-term

> > > use of anabolic, or post-cycle therapy compounds, can be

> > > even more dangerous. Every day you use a compound, the

> > > functions of several systems in your body are altered.ÂÂ

> > > Over time, these can lead to unintended health

> > > consequences.

> > > >

> > > > Arimidex is a very popular drug for limiting the

> > > effects of estrogen in the body. It is used as part of

> > > a post-cycle therapy plan. You see, following a heavy

> > > cycle or a pre-contest phase, you are typically going to

> > > taper off your AAS use. This results in crashing

> > > testosterone levels and spiking estrogen levels. This

> > > means, without PCT, you would lose your muscle and see some

> > > nasty side effects, including bloating and

> > > gynecomastia. Arimidex stops these negative side

> > > effects from occurring. However, many bodybuilders tend to

> > >  " cruise� on

Arimidex from the minute their

> > > cycle ends, until their next one begins. This not only

> > > doesn’t give the body a true break,

but it also can

> > > lead to long-term consequences from the Arimidex

> > > itself. Let’s look at some of

the most

> > > important issues regarding Arimidex usage.

> > > >

> > > > Estrogen does have its purposes

> > > > Arimidex limits the amount of estrogen produced in

> > > your body. There’s only one

problem here †"

> > > you NEED a fair amount of estrogen for several body

> > > functions, including muscle building itself. Estrogen

> > > must also be present for a strong sexual drive (Yes, even in

> > > men) as well as to achieve and maintain healthy cholesterol

> > > levels. Many bodybuilders see estrogen as an enemy,

> > > but that’s not accurate. Too

much estrogen is

> > > what causes problems.

> > > >

> > > > Moderation is the key

> > > > Like any compound, you must use Arimidex in the

> > > adequate dose for an adequate time period. You just

> > > cannot stay on it forever. If

you’re only

> > > taking 2 to 3 total Arimidex pills per week, you can safely

> > > maintain usage for several months at a time. If

> > > you’re taking 1-2 per day, as many

bodybuilders so

> > > irresponsibly do in an attempt to keep their muscles

> > > following a cycle, then you’re going

to need to halt

> > > use after 6 to 8 weeks. Each week should reduce the

> > > total number of the original dose by 20 to 25%, assuring

> > > you’ve nearly completed the cycle and

are completely

> > > clean in 2 months.

> > > >

> > > > Recommended products

> > > > There is a wealth of good products you can use to

> > > deliver the PCT effects you desire. OTC solutions such

> > > as Novedex XP (by Gaspari) and 6-Oxo by Ergopharm are

> > > probably as effective as Arimidex, and are legal and easily

> > > obtainable as well. However, if you want to use in

> > > heavy dosages, which is typically not recommended,

> > > you’ll want to seek out actual

Arimidex.

> > > >

> > > > The bottom line is that PCT is something that should

> > > never be taken lightly. Too much will hurt your

> > > body’s systems, and too little will

result in

> > > negative side effects.   The use of an

> > > over-the-counter solution in moderate dosing is probably

> > > your best solution!

> > > >

> > > > http://knol. google.com/ k/dane-fletcher/ long-term- arimidex-

use/1yijtt1e6h32 o/254#

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I just switched to testostorone shots this week and HCG on the 5th and 6th day..

I do have BPH, so what do you take to eliminate the " The balance comes in from

what happens if you don't take it - for me that is an enlarged prostate,

anxiety, nipple issues, ED and I cry like a little girl watching TV " .

Thank you.

Re: Interesting View of Arimidex by Body Builders

Date: Saturday, March 6, 2010, 12:03 PM

Hi Dan:

It might be about the cost to test it. Or the people who make the drug feel

there is no way it will pass for this use and don't want to waste the money. I

honestly don't know. If it helps, I'll lay aside for the moment the idea that

its never been tested for safety in men for the moment but I really do think

that would be a nice project.

The AndroGel site said (If I remember this right) over 13 million men have

Hypogonadism and I think the numbers are under reported. But again we are

talking " numbers " and no one is talking about the points I keep trying to bring

up.

If that Professor of Urology (And the other two doctors I mentioned) says

extended use of this type of drug can screw up your hormone control center is

that not a good reason to avoid this?

For the men who have great BMI and still have high E2 there are some other

factors that can cause this. A eacy one is too much Testosterone (Maybe they are

doing 2 or *gag 3 week injection cycles?)

And the first part of the cycle is converting into E2. Anyway, I think it would

be good to try to find out why and address that directly then solve it with a

drug that I think has some pretty serious baggage.

> > > >

> > > > I got this off a web page - interesing doses they use

> > > and make reference to OTC products typically not mentioned

> > > here:

> > > >

> > > > Any drug taken for too long will have negative

> > > consequences in the body. The use of caffeine for

> > > weeks, for example, leads to an addiction which will leave

> > > the user with a pounding headache each day. Long-term

> > > use of anabolic, or post-cycle therapy compounds, can be

> > > even more dangerous. Every day you use a compound, the

> > > functions of several systems in your body are altered.ÂÂ

> > > Over time, these can lead to unintended health

> > > consequences.

> > > >

> > > > Arimidex is a very popular drug for limiting the

> > > effects of estrogen in the body. It is used as part of

> > > a post-cycle therapy plan. You see, following a heavy

> > > cycle or a pre-contest phase, you are typically going to

> > > taper off your AAS use. This results in crashing

> > > testosterone levels and spiking estrogen levels. This

> > > means, without PCT, you would lose your muscle and see some

> > > nasty side effects, including bloating and

> > > gynecomastia. Arimidex stops these negative side

> > > effects from occurring. However, many bodybuilders tend to

> > >  " cruise� on

Arimidex from the minute their

> > > cycle ends, until their next one begins. This not only

> > > doesn’t give the body a true break,

but it also can

> > > lead to long-term consequences from the Arimidex

> > > itself. Let’s look at some of

the most

> > > important issues regarding Arimidex usage.

> > > >

> > > > Estrogen does have its purposes

> > > > Arimidex limits the amount of estrogen produced in

> > > your body. There’s only one

problem here †"

> > > you NEED a fair amount of estrogen for several body

> > > functions, including muscle building itself. Estrogen

> > > must also be present for a strong sexual drive (Yes, even in

> > > men) as well as to achieve and maintain healthy cholesterol

> > > levels. Many bodybuilders see estrogen as an enemy,

> > > but that’s not accurate. Too

much estrogen is

> > > what causes problems.

> > > >

> > > > Moderation is the key

> > > > Like any compound, you must use Arimidex in the

> > > adequate dose for an adequate time period. You just

> > > cannot stay on it forever. If

you’re only

> > > taking 2 to 3 total Arimidex pills per week, you can safely

> > > maintain usage for several months at a time. If

> > > you’re taking 1-2 per day, as many

bodybuilders so

> > > irresponsibly do in an attempt to keep their muscles

> > > following a cycle, then you’re going

to need to halt

> > > use after 6 to 8 weeks. Each week should reduce the

> > > total number of the original dose by 20 to 25%, assuring

> > > you’ve nearly completed the cycle and

are completely

> > > clean in 2 months.

> > > >

> > > > Recommended products

> > > > There is a wealth of good products you can use to

> > > deliver the PCT effects you desire. OTC solutions such

> > > as Novedex XP (by Gaspari) and 6-Oxo by Ergopharm are

> > > probably as effective as Arimidex, and are legal and easily

> > > obtainable as well. However, if you want to use in

> > > heavy dosages, which is typically not recommended,

> > > you’ll want to seek out actual

Arimidex.

> > > >

> > > > The bottom line is that PCT is something that should

> > > never be taken lightly. Too much will hurt your

> > > body’s systems, and too little will

result in

> > > negative side effects.   The use of an

> > > over-the-counter solution in moderate dosing is probably

> > > your best solution!

> > > >

> > > > http://knol. google.com/ k/dane-fletcher/ long-term- arimidex-

use/1yijtt1e6h32 o/254#

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I take 0.25mg of arimidex 2-3 times a week. Usually I take one on the day of the

shot, 1 two days later and if I need it a third one 2 days after that.

 

Arkansas

From: james186282 <pillowmail (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: Interesting View of Arimidex by Body Builders

Date: Saturday, March 6, 2010, 12:03 PM

Hi Dan:

It might be about the cost to test it. Or the people who make the drug feel

there is no way it will pass for this use and don't want to waste the money. I

honestly don't know. If it helps, I'll lay aside for the moment the idea that

its never been tested for safety in men for the moment but I really do think

that would be a nice project.

The AndroGel site said (If I remember this right) over 13 million men have

Hypogonadism and I think the numbers are under reported. But again we are

talking " numbers " and no one is talking about the points I keep trying to bring

up.

If that Professor of Urology (And the other two doctors I mentioned) says

extended use of this type of drug can screw up your hormone control center is

that not a good reason to avoid this?

For the men who have great BMI and still have high E2 there are some other

factors that can cause this. A eacy one is too much Testosterone (Maybe they are

doing 2 or *gag 3 week injection cycles?)

And the first part of the cycle is converting into E2. Anyway, I think it would

be good to try to find out why and address that directly then solve it with a

drug that I think has some pretty serious baggage.

> > > >

> > > > I got this off a web page - interesing doses they use

> > > and make reference to OTC products typically not mentioned

> > > here:

> > > >

> > > > Any drug taken for too long will have negative

> > > consequences in the body. The use of caffeine for

> > > weeks, for example, leads to an addiction which will leave

> > > the user with a pounding headache each day. Long-term

> > > use of anabolic, or post-cycle therapy compounds, can be

> > > even more dangerous. Every day you use a compound, the

> > > functions of several systems in your body are altered.ÂÂ

> > > Over time, these can lead to unintended health

> > > consequences.

> > > >

> > > > Arimidex is a very popular drug for limiting the

> > > effects of estrogen in the body. It is used as part of

> > > a post-cycle therapy plan. You see, following a heavy

> > > cycle or a pre-contest phase, you are typically going to

> > > taper off your AAS use. This results in crashing

> > > testosterone levels and spiking estrogen levels. This

> > > means, without PCT, you would lose your muscle and see some

> > > nasty side effects, including bloating and

> > > gynecomastia. Arimidex stops these negative side

> > > effects from occurring. However, many bodybuilders tend to

> > >  " cruise� on

Arimidex from the minute their

> > > cycle ends, until their next one begins. This not only

> > > doesn’t give the body a true break,

but it also can

> > > lead to long-term consequences from the Arimidex

> > > itself. Let’s look at some of

the most

> > > important issues regarding Arimidex usage.

> > > >

> > > > Estrogen does have its purposes

> > > > Arimidex limits the amount of estrogen produced in

> > > your body. There’s only one

problem here †"

> > > you NEED a fair amount of estrogen for several body

> > > functions, including muscle building itself. Estrogen

> > > must also be present for a strong sexual drive (Yes, even in

> > > men) as well as to achieve and maintain healthy cholesterol

> > > levels. Many bodybuilders see estrogen as an enemy,

> > > but that’s not accurate. Too

much estrogen is

> > > what causes problems.

> > > >

> > > > Moderation is the key

> > > > Like any compound, you must use Arimidex in the

> > > adequate dose for an adequate time period. You just

> > > cannot stay on it forever. If

you’re only

> > > taking 2 to 3 total Arimidex pills per week, you can safely

> > > maintain usage for several months at a time. If

> > > you’re taking 1-2 per day, as many

bodybuilders so

> > > irresponsibly do in an attempt to keep their muscles

> > > following a cycle, then you’re going

to need to halt

> > > use after 6 to 8 weeks. Each week should reduce the

> > > total number of the original dose by 20 to 25%, assuring

> > > you’ve nearly completed the cycle and

are completely

> > > clean in 2 months.

> > > >

> > > > Recommended products

> > > > There is a wealth of good products you can use to

> > > deliver the PCT effects you desire. OTC solutions such

> > > as Novedex XP (by Gaspari) and 6-Oxo by Ergopharm are

> > > probably as effective as Arimidex, and are legal and easily

> > > obtainable as well. However, if you want to use in

> > > heavy dosages, which is typically not recommended,

> > > you’ll want to seek out actual

Arimidex.

> > > >

> > > > The bottom line is that PCT is something that should

> > > never be taken lightly. Too much will hurt your

> > > body’s systems, and too little will

result in

> > > negative side effects.   The use of an

> > > over-the-counter solution in moderate dosing is probably

> > > your best solution!

> > > >

> > > > http://knol. google.com/ k/dane-fletcher/ long-term- arimidex-

use/1yijtt1e6h32 o/254#

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I can't say I have been on Arimidex for many yrs but not the dose women use and

for a Dr. to say it's not good to take Arimidex what dose he base this on. When

my Dr. told me this yrs ago I asked him to show me a study that says this after

that he gave it to me. Men on Arimidex only take .25 mgs every 2 to 3 days this

is a lot less then women take and the thing I know about it being bad is going

to low on your estradiol levels. All I was saying is on one had Dr. give out

Prozac like it's candy and on the other had would day Arimidex is not good to

take. If you are worried about this don't take it try Indolplex/DIM it works

and is a supplement.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: james186282 <pillow@...>

> Subject: Re: Interesting View of Arimidex by Body Builders

>

> Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 10:55 AM

> Gosh - How do I say this?  I

> think the topic went totally off topic.  I don't have

> any argument with your comment about being treated for

> depression when you have hormone problems.  I don't

> know what that has to do with my comment at all?  My

> Doctor said " You match a profile for depression but lets be

> sure and check your hormones first " and that all well and

> good.  If your saying some doctors are not too good

> dealing with this your right but Doctors are human and its

> called the Medical " art " so I think its of value to know

> that they are imperfect.  So maybe we agree on

> this?  I dunno...

>

> I disagree that we have to thank Steroid Abusers for

> proving guidance in treating men for Hypogonadism.  Its

> not science - never mind the legal aspects. 

>

> The point I tried to make was that at least the doctors

> I've spoken to say Arimidex is not safe for long term

> use.  We can forget my desire for a study of this drug

> if you like but what about this?  Are they wrong and

> your saying your right?  How do you qualify that? 

> I'm not a Doctor.  Nor a professor who teaches this its

> these guys who are the ones saying this and I dispute your

> comment that steroid abusers know better.  And " if " it

> is even slightly ok why is not doing a more mainstream thing

> like weight reduction and taking 50 or 100mg of zinc not a

> better choice?  This is the point I'm trying to make.

>

> I think " trying " to make science of this is the right way

> to go about this but... 

>

> -

>

>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I got this off a web

> page -

> > > interesing doses

> > > > > they use

> > > > > > > and make reference to OTC

> products

> > > typically not

> > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > here:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Any drug taken for too

> long will

> > > have

> > > > > negative

> > > > > > > consequences in the

> body.ÂÂÂ

> > > The use of caffeine

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > weeks, for example, leads to

> an

> > > addiction which

> > > > > will leave

> > > > > > > the user with a pounding

> headache each

> > > day.ÂÂ

> > > > > Long-term

> > > > > > > use of anabolic, or

> post-cycle therapy

> > > compounds,

> > > > > can be

> > > > > > > even more

> dangerous.  Every

> > > day you use a

> > > > > compound, the

> > > > > > > functions of several systems

> in your

> > > body are

> > > > > altered.ÂÂ

> > > > > > > Over time, these can lead to

> unintended

> > > health

> > > > > > > consequences.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Arimidex is a very

> popular drug

> > > for limiting

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > effects of estrogen in the

> > > body.  It is used

> > > > > as part of

> > > > > > > a post-cycle therapy

> plan.ÂÂÂ

> > > You see, following

> > > > > a heavy

> > > > > > > cycle or a pre-contest phase,

> you are

> > > typically

> > > > > going to

> > > > > > > taper off your AAS

> use.ÂÂÂ

> > > This results in

> > > > > crashing

> > > > > > > testosterone levels and

> spiking

> > > estrogen

> > > > > levels.  This

> > > > > > > means, without PCT, you would

> lose your

> > > muscle

> > > > > and see some

> > > > > > > nasty side effects, including

> bloating

> > > and

> > > > > > >

> gynecomastia.  Arimidex

> > > stops these negative

> > > > > side

> > > > > > > effects from occurring.

> However, many

> > > > > bodybuilders tend to

> > > > > > >

> > >

>

ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å " cruiseÃÆ'ÂÂ\

¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã¯Â¿Â½

> > > on Arimidex

> > > > > from the minute their

> > > > > > > cycle ends, until their next

> one

> > > begins.  This

> > > > > not only

> > > > > > >

> > >

>

doesnÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„Ãâ€\

šÃ‚¢t

> give the body a

> > > true

> > > > > break, but it also can

> > > > > > > lead to long-term

> consequences from the

> > > Arimidex

> > > > > > > itself.ÂÂÂ

> > >

>

LetÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„ÂÃ\

‚¢s

> look at some

> > > > > of the most

> > > > > > > important issues regarding

> Arimidex

> > > usage.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Estrogen does have its

> purposes

> > > > > > > > Arimidex limits the

> amount of

> > > estrogen

> > > > > produced in

> > > > > > > your body.ÂÂÂ

>

> > >

>

ThereÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„Ãâ€\

šÃ‚¢s

> only one

> > > > > problem here

> ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ "

> > > > > > > you NEED a fair amount of

> estrogen for

> > > several

> > > > > body

> > > > > > > functions, including muscle

> building

> > > itself.ÂÂ

> > > > > Estrogen

> > > > > > > must also be present for a

> strong

> > > sexual drive

> > > > > (Yes, even in

> > > > > > > men) as well as to achieve

> and maintain

> > > healthy

> > > > > cholesterol

> > > > > > >

> levels.  Many bodybuilders

> > > see estrogen as an

> > > > > enemy,

> > > > > > > but

> > >

>

thatÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„Â\

¢s

> not

> > > accurate.  Too

> > > > > much estrogen is

> > > > > > > what causes problems.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Moderation is the key

> > > > > > > > Like any compound, you

> must use

> > > Arimidex in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > adequate dose for an adequate

> time

> > > period.ÂÂ

> > > > > You just

> > > > > > > cannot stay on it

> forever.ÂÂÂ

> > > If

> > > > >

>

youÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„ÂÃ\

‚¢re

> only

> > > > > > > taking 2 to 3 total Arimidex

> pills per

> > > week, you

> > > > > can safely

> > > > > > > maintain usage for several

> months at a

> > > time.ÂÂ

> > > > > If

> > > > > > >

> > >

>

youÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„ÂÃ\

‚¢re

> taking 1-2 per

> > > day, as

> > > > > many bodybuilders so

> > > > > > > irresponsibly do in an

> attempt to keep

> > > their

> > > > > muscles

> > > > > > > following a cycle, then

> > >

>

youÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„ÂÃ\

‚¢re

> > > > > going to need to halt

> > > > > > > use after 6 to 8

> weeks.ÂÂÂ

> > > Each week should

> > > > > reduce the

> > > > > > > total number of the original

> dose by 20

> > > to 25%,

> > > > > assuring

> > > > > > >

> > >

>

youÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„ÂÃ\

‚¢ve

> nearly completed

> > > the

> > > > > cycle and are completely

> > > > > > > clean in 2 months.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Recommended products

> > > > > > > > There is a wealth of

> good products

> > > you can

> > > > > use to

> > > > > > > deliver the PCT effects you

> > > desire.  OTC

> > > > > solutions such

> > > > > > > as Novedex XP (by Gaspari)

> and 6-Oxo by

> > > Ergopharm

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > probably as effective as

> Arimidex, and

> > > are legal

> > > > > and easily

> > > > > > > obtainable as

> well.ÂÂÂ

> > > However, if you want to

> > > > > use in

> > > > > > > heavy dosages, which is

> typically not

> > > > > recommended,

> > > > > > >

> > >

>

youÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„ÂÃ\

‚¢ll

> want to seek out

> > > actual

> > > > > Arimidex.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The bottom line is that

> PCT is

> > > something

> > > > > that should

> > > > > > > never be taken

> lightly.ÂÂÂ

> > > Too much will hurt

> > > > > your

> > > > > > >

> > >

>

bodyÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„Â\

¢s

> systems, and too

> > > little

> > > > > will result in

> > > > > > > negative side

> effects. ÂÂ

> > >  The use of an

> > > > > > > over-the-counter solution in

> moderate

> > > dosing is

> > > > > probably

> > > > > > > your best solution!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

http://knol.google.com/k/dane-fletcher/long-term-arimidex-use/1yijtt1e6h32o/254#

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> ------------------------------------

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

I hear you Phil. My PCP, my uro and, as of today, my endo are all approving of

Arimidex to bring down my high estradiol level. For those of us getting legal

prescriptions I would think that our doctors have as much right to be considered

credible as those who are anti-Arimidex. All I know is that I am feeling a lot

better, thanks to Arimidex, now that my estradiol is down to 34 from 130. I'll

keep taking the Arimidex per my doc's orders, thanks. ;-)

________________________________

From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>

Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 10:17:14 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Interesting View of Arimidex by Body Builders

I can't say I have been on Arimidex for many yrs but not the dose women use and

for a Dr. to say it's not good to take Arimidex what dose he base this on. When

my Dr. told me this yrs ago I asked him to show me a study that says this after

that he gave it to me. Men on Arimidex only take .25 mgs every 2 to 3 days this

is a lot less then women take and the thing I know about it being bad is going

to low on your estradiol levels. All I was saying is on one had Dr. give out

Prozac like it's candy and on the other had would day Arimidex is not good to

take. If you are worried about this don't take it try Indolplex/DIM it works

and is a supplement.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: james186282 <pillowmail (DOT) com>

> Subject: Re: Interesting View of Arimidex by Body Builders

>

> Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 10:55 AM

> Gosh - How do I say this? I

> think the topic went totally off topic. I don't have

> any argument with your comment about being treated for

> depression when you have hormone problems. I don't

> know what that has to do with my comment at all? My

> Doctor said " You match a profile for depression but lets be

> sure and check your hormones first " and that all well and

> good. If your saying some doctors are not too good

> dealing with this your right but Doctors are human and its

> called the Medical " art " so I think its of value to know

> that they are imperfect. So maybe we agree on

> this? I dunno...

>

> I disagree that we have to thank Steroid Abusers for

> proving guidance in treating men for Hypogonadism. Its

> not science - never mind the legal aspects.

>

> The point I tried to make was that at least the doctors

> I've spoken to say Arimidex is not safe for long term

> use. We can forget my desire for a study of this drug

> if you like but what about this? Are they wrong and

> your saying your right? How do you qualify that?

> I'm not a Doctor. Nor a professor who teaches this its

> these guys who are the ones saying this and I dispute your

> comment that steroid abusers know better. And " if " it

> is even slightly ok why is not doing a more mainstream thing

> like weight reduction and taking 50 or 100mg of zinc not a

> better choice? This is the point I'm trying to make.

>

> I think " trying " to make science of this is the right way

> to go about this but...

>

> -

>

>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I got this off a web

> page -

> > > interesing doses

> > > > > they use

> > > > > > > and make reference to OTC

> products

> > > typically not

> > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > here:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Any drug taken for too

> long will

> > > have

> > > > > negative

> > > > > > > consequences in the

> body.ÂÂÂ

> > > The use of caffeine

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > weeks, for example, leads to

> an

> > > addiction which

> > > > > will leave

> > > > > > > the user with a pounding

> headache each

> > > day.ÂÂ

> > > > > Long-term

> > > > > > > use of anabolic, or

> post-cycle therapy

> > > compounds,

> > > > > can be

> > > > > > > even more

> dangerous. Every

> > > day you use a

> > > > > compound, the

> > > > > > > functions of several systems

> in your

> > > body are

> > > > > altered.ÂÂ

> > > > > > > Over time, these can lead to

> unintended

> > > health

> > > > > > > consequences.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Arimidex is a very

> popular drug

> > > for limiting

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > effects of estrogen in the

> > > body. It is used

> > > > > as part of

> > > > > > > a post-cycle therapy

> plan.ÂÂÂ

> > > You see, following

> > > > > a heavy

> > > > > > > cycle or a pre-contest phase,

> you are

> > > typically

> > > > > going to

> > > > > > > taper off your AAS

> use.ÂÂÂ

> > > This results in

> > > > > crashing

> > > > > > > testosterone levels and

> spiking

> > > estrogen

> > > > > levels. This

> > > > > > > means, without PCT, you would

> lose your

> > > muscle

> > > > > and see some

> > > > > > > nasty side effects, including

> bloating

> > > and

> > > > > > >

> gynecomastia. Arimidex

> > > stops these negative

> > > > > side

> > > > > > > effects from occurring.

> However, many

> > > > > bodybuilders tend to

> > > > > > >

> > >

>

ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å " cruiseÃÆ'ÂÂ\

¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã¯Â¿Â½

> > > on Arimidex

> > > > > from the minute their

> > > > > > > cycle ends, until their next

> one

> > > begins. This

> > > > > not only

> > > > > > >

> > >

>

doesnÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„Ãâ€\

šÃ‚¢t

> give the body a

> > > true

> > > > > break, but it also can

> > > > > > > lead to long-term

> consequences from the

> > > Arimidex

> > > > > > > itself.ÂÂÂ

> > >

>

LetÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„ÂÃ\

‚¢s

> look at some

> > > > > of the most

> > > > > > > important issues regarding

> Arimidex

> > > usage.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Estrogen does have its

> purposes

> > > > > > > > Arimidex limits the

> amount of

> > > estrogen

> > > > > produced in

> > > > > > > your body.ÂÂÂ

>

> > >

>

ThereÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„Ãâ€\

šÃ‚¢s

> only one

> > > > > problem here

> ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ "

> > > > > > > you NEED a fair amount of

> estrogen for

> > > several

> > > > > body

> > > > > > > functions, including muscle

> building

> > > itself.ÂÂ

> > > > > Estrogen

> > > > > > > must also be present for a

> strong

> > > sexual drive

> > > > > (Yes, even in

> > > > > > > men) as well as to achieve

> and maintain

> > > healthy

> > > > > cholesterol

> > > > > > >

> levels. Many bodybuilders

> > > see estrogen as an

> > > > > enemy,

> > > > > > > but

> > >

>

thatÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„Â\

¢s

> not

> > > accurate. Too

> > > > > much estrogen is

> > > > > > > what causes problems.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Moderation is the key

> > > > > > > > Like any compound, you

> must use

> > > Arimidex in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > adequate dose for an adequate

> time

> > > period.ÂÂ

> > > > > You just

> > > > > > > cannot stay on it

> forever.ÂÂÂ

> > > If

> > > > >

>

youÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„ÂÃ\

‚¢re

> only

> > > > > > > taking 2 to 3 total Arimidex

> pills per

> > > week, you

> > > > > can safely

> > > > > > > maintain usage for several

> months at a

> > > time.ÂÂ

> > > > > If

> > > > > > >

> > >

>

youÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„ÂÃ\

‚¢re

> taking 1-2 per

> > > day, as

> > > > > many bodybuilders so

> > > > > > > irresponsibly do in an

> attempt to keep

> > > their

> > > > > muscles

> > > > > > > following a cycle, then

> > >

>

youÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„ÂÃ\

‚¢re

> > > > > going to need to halt

> > > > > > > use after 6 to 8

> weeks.ÂÂÂ

> > > Each week should

> > > > > reduce the

> > > > > > > total number of the original

> dose by 20

> > > to 25%,

> > > > > assuring

> > > > > > >

> > >

>

youÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„ÂÃ\

‚¢ve

> nearly completed

> > > the

> > > > > cycle and are completely

> > > > > > > clean in 2 months.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Recommended products

> > > > > > > > There is a wealth of

> good products

> > > you can

> > > > > use to

> > > > > > > deliver the PCT effects you

> > > desire. OTC

> > > > > solutions such

> > > > > > > as Novedex XP (by Gaspari)

> and 6-Oxo by

> > > Ergopharm

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > probably as effective as

> Arimidex, and

> > > are legal

> > > > > and easily

> > > > > > > obtainable as

> well.ÂÂÂ

> > > However, if you want to

> > > > > use in

> > > > > > > heavy dosages, which is

> typically not

> > > > > recommended,

> > > > > > >

> > >

>

youÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„ÂÃ\

‚¢ll

> want to seek out

> > > actual

> > > > > Arimidex.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The bottom line is that

> PCT is

> > > something

> > > > > that should

> > > > > > > never be taken

> lightly.ÂÂÂ

> > > Too much will hurt

> > > > > your

> > > > > > >

> > >

>

bodyÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„Â\

¢s

> systems, and too

> > > little

> > > > > will result in

> > > > > > > negative side

> effects. ÂÂ

> > >  The use of an

> > > > > > > over-the-counter solution in

> moderate

> > > dosing is

> > > > > probably

> > > > > > > your best solution!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > http://knol. google.com/ k/dane-fletcher/ long-term- arimidex-

use/1yijtt1e6h32 o/254#

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

That is great news now all you need to do it get your morning and night time

wood back so you can gage how your doing. I just settled down from having a bad

batch of HCG Novarel that drove up my estradiol levels like crazy. I needed at

one time until we figured this out 1 mgs a day to keep it down. Now I am back

to .25 mgs every other day.

If you don't know how to do this let me know I have a file I can cut and paste

in here telling you what you need to do to not go to low.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: james186282 <pillowmail (DOT) com>

> > Subject: Re: Interesting View of

> Arimidex by Body Builders

> >

> > Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 10:55 AM

> > Gosh - How do I say this?  I

> > think the topic went totally off topic.  I don't

> have

> > any argument with your comment about being treated

> for

> > depression when you have hormone problems.  I

> don't

> > know what that has to do with my comment at all? 

> My

> > Doctor said " You match a profile for depression but

> lets be

> > sure and check your hormones first " and that all well

> and

> > good.  If your saying some doctors are not too

> good

> > dealing with this your right but Doctors are human and

> its

> > called the Medical " art " so I think its of value to

> know

> > that they are imperfect.  So maybe we agree on

> > this?  I dunno...

> >

> > I disagree that we have to thank Steroid Abusers for

> > proving guidance in treating men for

> Hypogonadism.  Its

> > not science - never mind the legal aspects. 

> >

> > The point I tried to make was that at least the

> doctors

> > I've spoken to say Arimidex is not safe for long term

> > use.  We can forget my desire for a study of this

> drug

> > if you like but what about this?  Are they wrong

> and

> > your saying your right?  How do you qualify that?

>

> > I'm not a Doctor.  Nor a professor who teaches

> this its

> > these guys who are the ones saying this and I dispute

> your

> > comment that steroid abusers know better.  And

> " if " it

> > is even slightly ok why is not doing a more mainstream

> thing

> > like weight reduction and taking 50 or 100mg of zinc

> not a

> > better choice?  This is the point I'm trying to

> make.

> >

> > I think " trying " to make science of this is the right

> way

> > to go about this but... 

> >

> > -

> >

> >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I got this off a

> web

> > page -

> > > > interesing doses

> > > > > > they use

> > > > > > > > and make reference to

> OTC

> > products

> > > > typically not

> > > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > > here:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Any drug taken for

> too

> > long will

> > > > have

> > > > > > negative

> > > > > > > > consequences in the

> > body.ÂÂÂ

> > > > The use of caffeine

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > weeks, for example,

> leads to

> > an

> > > > addiction which

> > > > > > will leave

> > > > > > > > the user with a

> pounding

> > headache each

> > > > day.ÂÂ

> > > > > > Long-term

> > > > > > > > use of anabolic, or

> > post-cycle therapy

> > > > compounds,

> > > > > > can be

> > > > > > > > even more

> > dangerous.  Every

> > > > day you use a

> > > > > > compound, the

> > > > > > > > functions of several

> systems

> > in your

> > > > body are

> > > > > > altered.ÂÂ

> > > > > > > > Over time, these can

> lead to

> > unintended

> > > > health

> > > > > > > > consequences.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Arimidex is a very

> > popular drug

> > > > for limiting

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > effects of estrogen in

> the

> > > > body.  It is used

> > > > > > as part of

> > > > > > > > a post-cycle therapy

> > plan.ÂÂÂ

> > > > You see, following

> > > > > > a heavy

> > > > > > > > cycle or a pre-contest

> phase,

> > you are

> > > > typically

> > > > > > going to

> > > > > > > > taper off your AAS

> > use.ÂÂÂ

> > > > This results in

> > > > > > crashing

> > > > > > > > testosterone levels and

> > spiking

> > > > estrogen

> > > > > > levels. 

> This

> > > > > > > > means, without PCT, you

> would

> > lose your

> > > > muscle

> > > > > > and see some

> > > > > > > > nasty side effects,

> including

> > bloating

> > > > and

> > > > > > > >

> > gynecomastia.  Arimidex

> > > > stops these negative

> > > > > > side

> > > > > > > > effects from occurring.

> > However, many

> > > > > > bodybuilders tend to

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> >

>

ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å " cruiseÃÆ'ÂÂ\

¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã¯Â¿Â½

> > > > on Arimidex

> > > > > > from the minute their

> > > > > > > > cycle ends, until their

> next

> > one

> > > > begins.  This

> > > > > > not only

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> >

>

doesnÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„Ãâ€\

šÃ‚¢t

> > give the body a

> > > > true

> > > > > > break, but it also can

> > > > > > > > lead to long-term

> > consequences from the

> > > > Arimidex

> > > > > > > >

> itself.ÂÂÂ

> > > >

> >

>

LetÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„ÂÃ\

‚¢s

> > look at some

> > > > > > of the most

> > > > > > > > important issues

> regarding

> > Arimidex

> > > > usage.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Estrogen does have

> its

> > purposes

> > > > > > > > > Arimidex limits

> the

> > amount of

> > > > estrogen

> > > > > > produced in

> > > > > > > > your

> body.ÂÂÂ

> >

> > > >

> >

>

ThereÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„Ãâ€\

šÃ‚¢s

> > only one

> > > > > > problem here

> > ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ "

> > > > > > > > you NEED a fair amount

> of

> > estrogen for

> > > > several

> > > > > > body

> > > > > > > > functions, including

> muscle

> > building

> > > > itself.ÂÂ

> > > > > > Estrogen

> > > > > > > > must also be present for

> a

> > strong

> > > > sexual drive

> > > > > > (Yes, even in

> > > > > > > > men) as well as to

> achieve

> > and maintain

> > > > healthy

> > > > > > cholesterol

> > > > > > > >

> > levels.  Many bodybuilders

> > > > see estrogen as an

> > > > > > enemy,

> > > > > > > > but

> > > >

> >

>

thatÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„Â\

¢s

> > not

> > > > accurate.  Too

> > > > > > much estrogen is

> > > > > > > > what causes problems.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Moderation is the

> key

> > > > > > > > > Like any compound,

> you

> > must use

> > > > Arimidex in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > adequate dose for an

> adequate

> > time

> > > > period.ÂÂ

> > > > > > You just

> > > > > > > > cannot stay on it

> > forever.ÂÂÂ

> > > > If

> > > > > >

> >

>

youÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„ÂÃ\

‚¢re

> > only

> > > > > > > > taking 2 to 3 total

> Arimidex

> > pills per

> > > > week, you

> > > > > > can safely

> > > > > > > > maintain usage for

> several

> > months at a

> > > > time.ÂÂ

> > > > > > If

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> >

>

youÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„ÂÃ\

‚¢re

> > taking 1-2 per

> > > > day, as

> > > > > > many bodybuilders so

> > > > > > > > irresponsibly do in an

> > attempt to keep

> > > > their

> > > > > > muscles

> > > > > > > > following a cycle, then

> > > >

> >

>

youÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„ÂÃ\

‚¢re

> > > > > > going to need to halt

> > > > > > > > use after 6 to 8

> > weeks.ÂÂÂ

> > > > Each week should

> > > > > > reduce the

> > > > > > > > total number of the

> original

> > dose by 20

> > > > to 25%,

> > > > > > assuring

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> >

>

youÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„ÂÃ\

‚¢ve

> > nearly completed

> > > > the

> > > > > > cycle and are completely

> > > > > > > > clean in 2 months.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Recommended

> products

> > > > > > > > > There is a wealth

> of

> > good products

> > > > you can

> > > > > > use to

> > > > > > > > deliver the PCT effects

> you

> > > > desire.  OTC

> > > > > > solutions such

> > > > > > > > as Novedex XP (by

> Gaspari)

> > and 6-Oxo by

> > > > Ergopharm

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > probably as effective

> as

> > Arimidex, and

> > > > are legal

> > > > > > and easily

> > > > > > > > obtainable as

> > well.ÂÂÂ

> > > > However, if you want to

> > > > > > use in

> > > > > > > > heavy dosages, which is

> > typically not

> > > > > > recommended,

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> >

>

youÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„ÂÃ\

‚¢ll

> > want to seek out

> > > > actual

> > > > > > Arimidex.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The bottom line is

> that

> > PCT is

> > > > something

> > > > > > that should

> > > > > > > > never be taken

> > lightly.ÂÂÂ

> > > > Too much will hurt

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> >

>

bodyÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„Â\

¢s

> > systems, and too

> > > > little

> > > > > > will result in

> > > > > > > > negative side

> > effects. ÂÂ

> > > >  The use of an

> > > > > > > > over-the-counter

> solution in

> > moderate

> > > > dosing is

> > > > > > probably

> > > > > > > > your best solution!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > http://knol.

> google.com/ k/dane-fletcher/ long-term- arimidex-

> use/1yijtt1e6h32 o/254#

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

If Arimidex hasn’t been extensively tested in men, how can anyone say that it

is or isn’t safe for long term use? You can discount the body builders if you

want, just because they are pushing the limits doesn’t mean they are wrong.

You seem perfectly willing to take supplements like zinc, but have you seen any

long term studies concerning the safety or efficacy of long term use of zinc? I

wonder how many doctors say that zinc isn’t safe for long term use.

I guess my point is, I don’t care. I think most doctors do not have TRT

figured out. The ones that do, are vilified as steroid abusers or anti-aging

nuts. Pioneers often suffer this kind of abuse, so be it. Medical science (or

art if you prefer) often changes its course of thinking thanks to these

pioneers. Then again, maybe we’d all be better off if blood letting was still

the preferred course of treatment for a host of ailments.

I think the value of this group is for men to learn what is working for other

men with the same problem. We can learn what works and what doesn’t. We can

share this information with our doctors and make more informed choices about how

we want to treat our problem and live our lives. I think it is dangerous to

blindly follow advice from anyone, especially a doctor. However, we all have to

figure it out for ourselves. And, if some of us decide to go outside the

mainstream, well, at least we have a place to discuss our results. God knows

the doctors don’t want to discuss it.

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of james186282

Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 8:55 AM

Subject: Re: Interesting View of Arimidex by Body Builders

Gosh - How do I say this? I think the topic went totally off topic. I don't have

any argument with your comment about being treated for depression when you have

hormone problems. I don't know what that has to do with my comment at all? My

Doctor said " You match a profile for depression but lets be sure and check your

hormones first " and that all well and good. If your saying some doctors are not

too good dealing with this your right but Doctors are human and its called the

Medical " art " so I think its of value to know that they are imperfect. So maybe

we agree on this? I dunno...

I disagree that we have to thank Steroid Abusers for proving guidance in

treating men for Hypogonadism. Its not science - never mind the legal aspects.

The point I tried to make was that at least the doctors I've spoken to say

Arimidex is not safe for long term use. We can forget my desire for a study of

this drug if you like but what about this? Are they wrong and your saying your

right? How do you qualify that? I'm not a Doctor. Nor a professor who teaches

this its these guys who are the ones saying this and I dispute your comment that

steroid abusers know better. And " if " it is even slightly ok why is not doing a

more mainstream thing like weight reduction and taking 50 or 100mg of zinc not a

better choice? This is the point I'm trying to make.

I think " trying " to make science of this is the right way to go about this

but...

-

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I got this off a web page -

> > interesing doses

> > > > they use

> > > > > > and make reference to OTC products

> > typically not

> > > > mentioned

> > > > > > here:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Any drug taken for too long will

> > have

> > > > negative

> > > > > > consequences in the body.ÂÂÂ

> > The use of caffeine

> > > > for

> > > > > > weeks, for example, leads to an

> > addiction which

> > > > will leave

> > > > > > the user with a pounding headache each

> > day.ÂÂ

> > > > Long-term

> > > > > > use of anabolic, or post-cycle therapy

> > compounds,

> > > > can be

> > > > > > even more dangerous. Every

> > day you use a

> > > > compound, the

> > > > > > functions of several systems in your

> > body are

> > > > altered.ÂÂ

> > > > > > Over time, these can lead to unintended

> > health

> > > > > > consequences.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Arimidex is a very popular drug

> > for limiting

> > > > the

> > > > > > effects of estrogen in the

> > body. It is used

> > > > as part of

> > > > > > a post-cycle therapy plan.ÂÂÂ

> > You see, following

> > > > a heavy

> > > > > > cycle or a pre-contest phase, you are

> > typically

> > > > going to

> > > > > > taper off your AAS use.ÂÂÂ

> > This results in

> > > > crashing

> > > > > > testosterone levels and spiking

> > estrogen

> > > > levels. This

> > > > > > means, without PCT, you would lose your

> > muscle

> > > > and see some

> > > > > > nasty side effects, including bloating

> > and

> > > > > > gynecomastia. Arimidex

> > stops these negative

> > > > side

> > > > > > effects from occurring. However, many

> > > > bodybuilders tend to

> > > > > >

> >

ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å " cruiseÃÆ'ÂÂ\

¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã¯Â¿Â½

> > on Arimidex

> > > > from the minute their

> > > > > > cycle ends, until their next one

> > begins. This

> > > > not only

> > > > > >

> >

doesnÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„Ãâ€\

šÃ‚¢t give the body a

> > true

> > > > break, but it also can

> > > > > > lead to long-term consequences from the

> > Arimidex

> > > > > > itself.ÂÂÂ

> >

LetÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„ÂÃ\

‚¢s look at some

> > > > of the most

> > > > > > important issues regarding Arimidex

> > usage.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Estrogen does have its purposes

> > > > > > > Arimidex limits the amount of

> > estrogen

> > > > produced in

> > > > > > your body.ÂÂÂ

> >

ThereÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„Ãâ€\

šÃ‚¢s only one

> > > > problem here ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ "

> > > > > > you NEED a fair amount of estrogen for

> > several

> > > > body

> > > > > > functions, including muscle building

> > itself.ÂÂ

> > > > Estrogen

> > > > > > must also be present for a strong

> > sexual drive

> > > > (Yes, even in

> > > > > > men) as well as to achieve and maintain

> > healthy

> > > > cholesterol

> > > > > > levels. Many bodybuilders

> > see estrogen as an

> > > > enemy,

> > > > > > but

> >

thatÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„Â\

¢s not

> > accurate. Too

> > > > much estrogen is

> > > > > > what causes problems.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Moderation is the key

> > > > > > > Like any compound, you must use

> > Arimidex in

> > > > the

> > > > > > adequate dose for an adequate time

> > period.ÂÂ

> > > > You just

> > > > > > cannot stay on it forever.ÂÂÂ

> > If

> > > >

youÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„ÂÃ\

‚¢re only

> > > > > > taking 2 to 3 total Arimidex pills per

> > week, you

> > > > can safely

> > > > > > maintain usage for several months at a

> > time.ÂÂ

> > > > If

> > > > > >

> >

youÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„ÂÃ\

‚¢re taking 1-2 per

> > day, as

> > > > many bodybuilders so

> > > > > > irresponsibly do in an attempt to keep

> > their

> > > > muscles

> > > > > > following a cycle, then

> >

youÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„ÂÃ\

‚¢re

> > > > going to need to halt

> > > > > > use after 6 to 8 weeks.ÂÂÂ

> > Each week should

> > > > reduce the

> > > > > > total number of the original dose by 20

> > to 25%,

> > > > assuring

> > > > > >

> >

youÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„ÂÃ\

‚¢ve nearly completed

> > the

> > > > cycle and are completely

> > > > > > clean in 2 months.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Recommended products

> > > > > > > There is a wealth of good products

> > you can

> > > > use to

> > > > > > deliver the PCT effects you

> > desire. OTC

> > > > solutions such

> > > > > > as Novedex XP (by Gaspari) and 6-Oxo by

> > Ergopharm

> > > > are

> > > > > > probably as effective as Arimidex, and

> > are legal

> > > > and easily

> > > > > > obtainable as well.ÂÂÂ

> > However, if you want to

> > > > use in

> > > > > > heavy dosages, which is typically not

> > > > recommended,

> > > > > >

> >

youÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„ÂÃ\

‚¢ll want to seek out

> > actual

> > > > Arimidex.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The bottom line is that PCT is

> > something

> > > > that should

> > > > > > never be taken lightly.ÂÂÂ

> > Too much will hurt

> > > > your

> > > > > >

> >

bodyÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„Â\

¢s systems, and too

> > little

> > > > will result in

> > > > > > negative side effects. ÂÂ

> >  The use of an

> > > > > > over-the-counter solution in moderate

> > dosing is

> > > > probably

> > > > > > your best solution!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > http://knol.

<http://knol.google.com/k/dane-fletcher/long-term-arimidex-use/1yijtt1e6h32o/254\

> google.com/k/dane-fletcher/long-term-arimidex-use/1yijtt1e6h32o/254#

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks Phil! Re the morning and night time wood. . .I've had ED for a number of

years, but had reached a point in the last year or so where even the ED meds

were hit and miss. . .except for that wicked Trimix. Since the estradiol has

started to come down though, I've noticed better erections with the meds. Also,

I am aware when I wake during the night and in the morning, that I have

semi-erections. This has not been the case for years!

I'm hoping that the ED problem has perhaps been high E2 levels all along.

However, I am diabetic (very well controlled) and hypertensive (relatively well

controlled. . .still working on that). So perhaps the ED will not be resolved by

this alone.

I've studied your instructions on Arimidex in detail so I know the routine.

________________________________

From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>

Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 11:08:35 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Interesting View of Arimidex by Body Builders

That is great news now all you need to do it get your morning and night time

wood back so you can gage how your doing. I just settled down from having a bad

batch of HCG Novarel that drove up my estradiol levels like crazy. I needed at

one time until we figured this out 1 mgs a day to keep it down. Now I am back

to .25 mgs every other day.

If you don't know how to do this let me know I have a file I can cut and paste

in here telling you what you need to do to not go to low.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: james186282 <pillowmail (DOT) com>

> > Subject: Re: Interesting View of

> Arimidex by Body Builders

> >

> > Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 10:55 AM

> > Gosh - How do I say this? I

> > think the topic went totally off topic. I don't

> have

> > any argument with your comment about being treated

> for

> > depression when you have hormone problems. I

> don't

> > know what that has to do with my comment at all?

> My

> > Doctor said " You match a profile for depression but

> lets be

> > sure and check your hormones first " and that all well

> and

> > good. If your saying some doctors are not too

> good

> > dealing with this your right but Doctors are human and

> its

> > called the Medical " art " so I think its of value to

> know

> > that they are imperfect. So maybe we agree on

> > this? I dunno...

> >

> > I disagree that we have to thank Steroid Abusers for

> > proving guidance in treating men for

> Hypogonadism. Its

> > not science - never mind the legal aspects.

> >

> > The point I tried to make was that at least the

> doctors

> > I've spoken to say Arimidex is not safe for long term

> > use. We can forget my desire for a study of this

> drug

> > if you like but what about this? Are they wrong

> and

> > your saying your right? How do you qualify that?

>

> > I'm not a Doctor. Nor a professor who teaches

> this its

> > these guys who are the ones saying this and I dispute

> your

> > comment that steroid abusers know better. And

> " if " it

> > is even slightly ok why is not doing a more mainstream

> thing

> > like weight reduction and taking 50 or 100mg of zinc

> not a

> > better choice? This is the point I'm trying to

> make.

> >

> > I think " trying " to make science of this is the right

> way

> > to go about this but...

> >

> > -

> >

> >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I got this off a

> web

> > page -

> > > > interesing doses

> > > > > > they use

> > > > > > > > and make reference to

> OTC

> > products

> > > > typically not

> > > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > > here:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Any drug taken for

> too

> > long will

> > > > have

> > > > > > negative

> > > > > > > > consequences in the

> > body.ÂÂÂ

> > > > The use of caffeine

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > weeks, for example,

> leads to

> > an

> > > > addiction which

> > > > > > will leave

> > > > > > > > the user with a

> pounding

> > headache each

> > > > day.ÂÂ

> > > > > > Long-term

> > > > > > > > use of anabolic, or

> > post-cycle therapy

> > > > compounds,

> > > > > > can be

> > > > > > > > even more

> > dangerous. Every

> > > > day you use a

> > > > > > compound, the

> > > > > > > > functions of several

> systems

> > in your

> > > > body are

> > > > > > altered.ÂÂ

> > > > > > > > Over time, these can

> lead to

> > unintended

> > > > health

> > > > > > > > consequences.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Arimidex is a very

> > popular drug

> > > > for limiting

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > effects of estrogen in

> the

> > > > body. It is used

> > > > > > as part of

> > > > > > > > a post-cycle therapy

> > plan.ÂÂÂ

> > > > You see, following

> > > > > > a heavy

> > > > > > > > cycle or a pre-contest

> phase,

> > you are

> > > > typically

> > > > > > going to

> > > > > > > > taper off your AAS

> > use.ÂÂÂ

> > > > This results in

> > > > > > crashing

> > > > > > > > testosterone levels and

> > spiking

> > > > estrogen

> > > > > > levels.ÂÂÂ

> This

> > > > > > > > means, without PCT, you

> would

> > lose your

> > > > muscle

> > > > > > and see some

> > > > > > > > nasty side effects,

> including

> > bloating

> > > > and

> > > > > > > >

> > gynecomastia. Arimidex

> > > > stops these negative

> > > > > > side

> > > > > > > > effects from occurring.

> > However, many

> > > > > > bodybuilders tend to

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> >

>

ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å " cruiseÃÆ'ÂÂ\

¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã¯Â¿Â½

> > > > on Arimidex

> > > > > > from the minute their

> > > > > > > > cycle ends, until their

> next

> > one

> > > > begins. This

> > > > > > not only

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> >

>

doesnÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„Ãâ€\

šÃ‚¢t

> > give the body a

> > > > true

> > > > > > break, but it also can

> > > > > > > > lead to long-term

> > consequences from the

> > > > Arimidex

> > > > > > > >

> itself.ÂÂÂ

> > > >

> >

>

LetÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„ÂÃ\

‚¢s

> > look at some

> > > > > > of the most

> > > > > > > > important issues

> regarding

> > Arimidex

> > > > usage.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Estrogen does have

> its

> > purposes

> > > > > > > > > Arimidex limits

> the

> > amount of

> > > > estrogen

> > > > > > produced in

> > > > > > > > your

> body.ÂÂÂ

> >

> > > >

> >

>

ThereÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„Ãâ€\

šÃ‚¢s

> > only one

> > > > > > problem here

> > ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ "

> > > > > > > > you NEED a fair amount

> of

> > estrogen for

> > > > several

> > > > > > body

> > > > > > > > functions, including

> muscle

> > building

> > > > itself.ÂÂ

> > > > > > Estrogen

> > > > > > > > must also be present for

> a

> > strong

> > > > sexual drive

> > > > > > (Yes, even in

> > > > > > > > men) as well as to

> achieve

> > and maintain

> > > > healthy

> > > > > > cholesterol

> > > > > > > >

> > levels. Many bodybuilders

> > > > see estrogen as an

> > > > > > enemy,

> > > > > > > > but

> > > >

> >

>

thatÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„Â\

¢s

> > not

> > > > accurate. Too

> > > > > > much estrogen is

> > > > > > > > what causes problems.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Moderation is the

> key

> > > > > > > > > Like any compound,

> you

> > must use

> > > > Arimidex in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > adequate dose for an

> adequate

> > time

> > > > period.ÂÂ

> > > > > > You just

> > > > > > > > cannot stay on it

> > forever.ÂÂÂ

> > > > If

> > > > > >

> >

>

youÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„ÂÃ\

‚¢re

> > only

> > > > > > > > taking 2 to 3 total

> Arimidex

> > pills per

> > > > week, you

> > > > > > can safely

> > > > > > > > maintain usage for

> several

> > months at a

> > > > time.ÂÂ

> > > > > > If

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> >

>

youÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„ÂÃ\

‚¢re

> > taking 1-2 per

> > > > day, as

> > > > > > many bodybuilders so

> > > > > > > > irresponsibly do in an

> > attempt to keep

> > > > their

> > > > > > muscles

> > > > > > > > following a cycle, then

> > > >

> >

>

youÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„ÂÃ\

‚¢re

> > > > > > going to need to halt

> > > > > > > > use after 6 to 8

> > weeks.ÂÂÂ

> > > > Each week should

> > > > > > reduce the

> > > > > > > > total number of the

> original

> > dose by 20

> > > > to 25%,

> > > > > > assuring

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> >

>

youÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„ÂÃ\

‚¢ve

> > nearly completed

> > > > the

> > > > > > cycle and are completely

> > > > > > > > clean in 2 months.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Recommended

> products

> > > > > > > > > There is a wealth

> of

> > good products

> > > > you can

> > > > > > use to

> > > > > > > > deliver the PCT effects

> you

> > > > desire. OTC

> > > > > > solutions such

> > > > > > > > as Novedex XP (by

> Gaspari)

> > and 6-Oxo by

> > > > Ergopharm

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > probably as effective

> as

> > Arimidex, and

> > > > are legal

> > > > > > and easily

> > > > > > > > obtainable as

> > well.ÂÂÂ

> > > > However, if you want to

> > > > > > use in

> > > > > > > > heavy dosages, which is

> > typically not

> > > > > > recommended,

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> >

>

youÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„ÂÃ\

‚¢ll

> > want to seek out

> > > > actual

> > > > > > Arimidex.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The bottom line is

> that

> > PCT is

> > > > something

> > > > > > that should

> > > > > > > > never be taken

> > lightly.ÂÂÂ

> > > > Too much will hurt

> > > > > > your

> > > > > > > >

> > > >

> >

>

bodyÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„Â\

¢s

> > systems, and too

> > > > little

> > > > > > will result in

> > > > > > > > negative side

> > effects. ÂÂ

> > > >  The use of an

> > > > > > > > over-the-counter

> solution in

> > moderate

> > > > dosing is

> > > > > > probably

> > > > > > > > your best solution!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > http://knol.

> google.com/ k/dane-fletcher/ long-term- arimidex-

> use/1yijtt1e6h32 o/254#

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Great it works if you work it.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> >

> > > From: james186282 <pillowmail (DOT) com>

> > > Subject: Re: Interesting View of

> > Arimidex by Body Builders

> > >

> > > Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 10:55 AM

> > > Gosh - How do I say this?  I

> > > think the topic went totally off topic.  I

> don't

> > have

> > > any argument with your comment about being

> treated

> > for

> > > depression when you have hormone problems. 

> I

> > don't

> > > know what that has to do with my comment at all?

>

> > My

> > > Doctor said " You match a profile for depression

> but

> > lets be

> > > sure and check your hormones first " and that all

> well

> > and

> > > good.  If your saying some doctors are not

> too

> > good

> > > dealing with this your right but Doctors are

> human and

> > its

> > > called the Medical " art " so I think its of value

> to

> > know

> > > that they are imperfect.  So maybe we agree

> on

> > > this?  I dunno...

> > >

> > > I disagree that we have to thank Steroid Abusers

> for

> > > proving guidance in treating men for

> > Hypogonadism.  Its

> > > not science - never mind the legal aspects. 

>

> > >

> > > The point I tried to make was that at least the

> > doctors

> > > I've spoken to say Arimidex is not safe for long

> term

> > > use.  We can forget my desire for a study of

> this

> > drug

> > > if you like but what about this?  Are they

> wrong

> > and

> > > your saying your right?  How do you qualify

> that?

> >

> > > I'm not a Doctor.  Nor a professor who

> teaches

> > this its

> > > these guys who are the ones saying this and I

> dispute

> > your

> > > comment that steroid abusers know better. 

> And

> > " if " it

> > > is even slightly ok why is not doing a more

> mainstream

> > thing

> > > like weight reduction and taking 50 or 100mg of

> zinc

> > not a

> > > better choice?  This is the point I'm trying

> to

> > make.

> > >

> > > I think " trying " to make science of this is the

> right

> > way

> > > to go about this but... 

> > >

> > > -

> > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I got this off

> a

> > web

> > > page -

> > > > > interesing doses

> > > > > > > they use

> > > > > > > > > and make reference

> to

> > OTC

> > > products

> > > > > typically not

> > > > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > > > here:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Any drug taken

> for

> > too

> > > long will

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > negative

> > > > > > > > > consequences in

> the

> > > body.ÂÂÂ

> > > > > The use of caffeine

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > weeks, for

> example,

> > leads to

> > > an

> > > > > addiction which

> > > > > > > will leave

> > > > > > > > > the user with a

> > pounding

> > > headache each

> > > > > day.ÂÂ

> > > > > > > Long-term

> > > > > > > > > use of anabolic,

> or

> > > post-cycle therapy

> > > > > compounds,

> > > > > > > can be

> > > > > > > > > even more

> > > dangerous.  Every

> > > > > day you use a

> > > > > > > compound, the

> > > > > > > > > functions of

> several

> > systems

> > > in your

> > > > > body are

> > > > > > > altered.ÂÂ

> > > > > > > > > Over time, these

> can

> > lead to

> > > unintended

> > > > > health

> > > > > > > > > consequences.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Arimidex is a

> very

> > > popular drug

> > > > > for limiting

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > effects of estrogen

> in

> > the

> > > > > body.  It is

> used

> > > > > > > as part of

> > > > > > > > > a post-cycle

> therapy

> > > plan.ÂÂÂ

> > > > > You see, following

> > > > > > > a heavy

> > > > > > > > > cycle or a

> pre-contest

> > phase,

> > > you are

> > > > > typically

> > > > > > > going to

> > > > > > > > > taper off your AAS

> > > use.ÂÂÂ

> > > > > This results in

> > > > > > > crashing

> > > > > > > > > testosterone levels

> and

> > > spiking

> > > > > estrogen

> > > > > > > levels.ÂÂÂ

> > This

> > > > > > > > > means, without PCT,

> you

> > would

> > > lose your

> > > > > muscle

> > > > > > > and see some

> > > > > > > > > nasty side

> effects,

> > including

> > > bloating

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > >

> > > gynecomastia.  Arimidex

> > > > > stops these negative

> > > > > > > side

> > > > > > > > > effects from

> occurring.

> > > However, many

> > > > > > > bodybuilders tend to

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

> >

>

ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å " cruiseÃÆ'ÂÂ\

¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã¯Â¿Â½

> > > > > on Arimidex

> > > > > > > from the minute their

> > > > > > > > > cycle ends, until

> their

> > next

> > > one

> > > > > begins.  This

> > > > > > > not only

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

> >

>

doesnÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„Ãâ€\

šÃ‚¢t

> > > give the body a

> > > > > true

> > > > > > > break, but it also can

> > > > > > > > > lead to long-term

> > > consequences from the

> > > > > Arimidex

> > > > > > > > >

> > itself.ÂÂÂ

> > > > >

> > >

> >

>

LetÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„ÂÃ\

‚¢s

> > > look at some

> > > > > > > of the most

> > > > > > > > > important issues

> > regarding

> > > Arimidex

> > > > > usage.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Estrogen does

> have

> > its

> > > purposes

> > > > > > > > > > Arimidex

> limits

> > the

> > > amount of

> > > > > estrogen

> > > > > > > produced in

> > > > > > > > > your

> > body.ÂÂÂ

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> >

>

ThereÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„Ãâ€\

šÃ‚¢s

> > > only one

> > > > > > > problem here

> > >

> ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ "

> > > > > > > > > you NEED a fair

> amount

> > of

> > > estrogen for

> > > > > several

> > > > > > > body

> > > > > > > > > functions,

> including

> > muscle

> > > building

> > > > > itself.ÂÂ

> > > > > > > Estrogen

> > > > > > > > > must also be

> present for

> > a

> > > strong

> > > > > sexual drive

> > > > > > > (Yes, even in

> > > > > > > > > men) as well as to

> > achieve

> > > and maintain

> > > > > healthy

> > > > > > > cholesterol

> > > > > > > > >

> > > levels.  Many

> bodybuilders

> > > > > see estrogen as an

> > > > > > > enemy,

> > > > > > > > > but

> > > > >

> > >

> >

>

thatÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„Â\

¢s

> > > not

> > > > > accurate.  Too

> > > > > > > much estrogen is

> > > > > > > > > what causes

> problems.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Moderation is

> the

> > key

> > > > > > > > > > Like any

> compound,

> > you

> > > must use

> > > > > Arimidex in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > adequate dose for

> an

> > adequate

> > > time

> > > > > period.ÂÂ

> > > > > > > You just

> > > > > > > > > cannot stay on it

> > > forever.ÂÂÂ

> > > > > If

> > > > > > >

> > >

> >

>

youÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„ÂÃ\

‚¢re

> > > only

> > > > > > > > > taking 2 to 3

> total

> > Arimidex

> > > pills per

> > > > > week, you

> > > > > > > can safely

> > > > > > > > > maintain usage for

> > several

> > > months at a

> > > > > time.ÂÂ

> > > > > > > If

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

> >

>

youÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„ÂÃ\

‚¢re

> > > taking 1-2 per

> > > > > day, as

> > > > > > > many bodybuilders so

> > > > > > > > > irresponsibly do in

> an

> > > attempt to keep

> > > > > their

> > > > > > > muscles

> > > > > > > > > following a cycle,

> then

> > > > >

> > >

> >

>

youÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„ÂÃ\

‚¢re

> > > > > > > going to need to halt

> > > > > > > > > use after 6 to 8

> > > weeks.ÂÂÂ

> > > > > Each week should

> > > > > > > reduce the

> > > > > > > > > total number of

> the

> > original

> > > dose by 20

> > > > > to 25%,

> > > > > > > assuring

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

> >

>

youÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„ÂÃ\

‚¢ve

> > > nearly completed

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > cycle and are completely

> > > > > > > > > clean in 2 months.

>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Recommended

> > products

> > > > > > > > > > There is a

> wealth

> > of

> > > good products

> > > > > you can

> > > > > > > use to

> > > > > > > > > deliver the PCT

> effects

> > you

> > > > > desire.  OTC

> > > > > > > solutions such

> > > > > > > > > as Novedex XP (by

> > Gaspari)

> > > and 6-Oxo by

> > > > > Ergopharm

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > probably as

> effective

> > as

> > > Arimidex, and

> > > > > are legal

> > > > > > > and easily

> > > > > > > > > obtainable as

> > > well.ÂÂÂ

> > > > > However, if you want to

> > > > > > > use in

> > > > > > > > > heavy dosages,

> which is

> > > typically not

> > > > > > > recommended,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

> >

>

youÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„ÂÃ\

‚¢ll

> > > want to seek out

> > > > > actual

> > > > > > > Arimidex.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The bottom

> line is

> > that

> > > PCT is

> > > > > something

> > > > > > > that should

> > > > > > > > > never be taken

> > > lightly.ÂÂÂ

> > > > > Too much will hurt

> > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

> >

>

bodyÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„Â\

¢s

> > > systems, and too

> > > > > little

> > > > > > > will result in

> > > > > > > > > negative side

> > > effects. ÂÂ

> > > > >  The use of an

> > > > > > > > > over-the-counter

> > solution in

> > > moderate

> > > > > dosing is

> > > > > > > probably

> > > > > > > > > your best

> solution!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > http://knol.

> > google.com/ k/dane-fletcher/ long-term- arimidex-

> > use/1yijtt1e6h32 o/254#

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> Links

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ÂÂÂ

>

> > >   -

> fullfeatured@

> > groups. com

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ------------ ---------

> ---------

> > ------

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

When I first came here I was the same way I put all my trust in my Dr.'s and

things they told me were the law. I was such a pain in the As* here it was a

wonder I was not kicked off. I know how he feels and he dose have to work this

out for his self and do what he feels is safe for him.

I came to a point where I could not live my life anymore I was off work on Sick

Leave more then I was at work. People looked at me and said you don't look

sick. My family turned on me saying it's all in my head and I just don't what

to work or take care of my family. My job turned on me and locked me out of

work coming off sick leave so no sick pay or unemployment pay. I had to go to

the EEOC and sue them to get my job back they settled out of court.

You can read my story at this link and how low hormones messed up my heart.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=5 & t=9239

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Wharff <robertwharff@...>

> Subject: RE: Re: Interesting View of Arimidex by Body Builders

>

> Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 12:52 PM

> If Arimidex hasn’t been extensively

> tested in men, how can anyone say that it is or isn’t safe

> for long term use?  You can discount the body builders

> if you want, just because they are pushing the limits

> doesn’t mean they are wrong.  You seem perfectly

> willing to take supplements like zinc, but have you seen any

> long term studies concerning the safety or efficacy of long

> term use of zinc?  I wonder how many doctors say that

> zinc isn’t safe for long term use. 

>

>

>

> I guess my point is, I don’t care.  I think most

> doctors do not have TRT figured out.  The ones that do,

> are vilified as steroid abusers or anti-aging nuts. 

> Pioneers often suffer this kind of abuse, so be it. 

> Medical science (or art if you prefer) often changes its

> course of thinking thanks to these pioneers.  Then

> again, maybe we’d all be better off if blood letting was

> still the preferred course of treatment for a host of

> ailments.

>

>

>

> I think the value of this group is for men to learn what is

> working for other men with the same problem.  We can

> learn what works and what doesn’t.  We can share this

> information with our doctors and make more informed choices

> about how we want to treat our problem and live our

> lives.  I think it is dangerous to blindly follow

> advice from anyone, especially a doctor.  However, we

> all have to figure it out for ourselves.  And, if some

> of us decide to go outside the mainstream, well, at least we

> have a place to discuss our results.  God knows the

> doctors don’t want to discuss it.

>

>

>

>

>

>   _____ 

>

> From:

> [mailto: ]

> On Behalf Of james186282

> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 8:55 AM

>

> Subject: Re: Interesting View of Arimidex by

> Body Builders

>

>

>

>  

>

> Gosh - How do I say this? I think the topic went totally

> off topic. I don't have any argument with your comment about

> being treated for depression when you have hormone problems.

> I don't know what that has to do with my comment at all? My

> Doctor said " You match a profile for depression but lets be

> sure and check your hormones first " and that all well and

> good. If your saying some doctors are not too good dealing

> with this your right but Doctors are human and its called

> the Medical " art " so I think its of value to know that they

> are imperfect. So maybe we agree on this? I dunno...

>

> I disagree that we have to thank Steroid Abusers for

> proving guidance in treating men for Hypogonadism. Its not

> science - never mind the legal aspects.

>

> The point I tried to make was that at least the doctors

> I've spoken to say Arimidex is not safe for long term use.

> We can forget my desire for a study of this drug if you like

> but what about this? Are they wrong and your saying your

> right? How do you qualify that? I'm not a Doctor. Nor a

> professor who teaches this its these guys who are the ones

> saying this and I dispute your comment that steroid abusers

> know better. And " if " it is even slightly ok why is not

> doing a more mainstream thing like weight reduction and

> taking 50 or 100mg of zinc not a better choice? This is the

> point I'm trying to make.

>

> I think " trying " to make science of this is the right way

> to go about this but...

>

> -

>

>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I got this off a web

> page -

> > > interesing doses

> > > > > they use

> > > > > > > and make reference to OTC

> products

> > > typically not

> > > > > mentioned

> > > > > > > here:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Any drug taken for too

> long will

> > > have

> > > > > negative

> > > > > > > consequences in the

> body.ÂÂÂ

> > > The use of caffeine

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > weeks, for example, leads to

> an

> > > addiction which

> > > > > will leave

> > > > > > > the user with a pounding

> headache each

> > > day.ÂÂ

> > > > > Long-term

> > > > > > > use of anabolic, or

> post-cycle therapy

> > > compounds,

> > > > > can be

> > > > > > > even more

> dangerous. Every

> > > day you use a

> > > > > compound, the

> > > > > > > functions of several systems

> in your

> > > body are

> > > > > altered.ÂÂ

> > > > > > > Over time, these can lead to

> unintended

> > > health

> > > > > > > consequences.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Arimidex is a very

> popular drug

> > > for limiting

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > effects of estrogen in the

> > > body. It is used

> > > > > as part of

> > > > > > > a post-cycle therapy

> plan.ÂÂÂ

> > > You see, following

> > > > > a heavy

> > > > > > > cycle or a pre-contest phase,

> you are

> > > typically

> > > > > going to

> > > > > > > taper off your AAS

> use.ÂÂÂ

> > > This results in

> > > > > crashing

> > > > > > > testosterone levels and

> spiking

> > > estrogen

> > > > > levels. This

> > > > > > > means, without PCT, you would

> lose your

> > > muscle

> > > > > and see some

> > > > > > > nasty side effects, including

> bloating

> > > and

> > > > > > >

> gynecomastia. Arimidex

> > > stops these negative

> > > > > side

> > > > > > > effects from occurring.

> However, many

> > > > > bodybuilders tend to

> > > > > > >

> > >

>

ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å " cruiseÃÆ'ÂÂ\

¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã¯Â¿Â½

> > > on Arimidex

> > > > > from the minute their

> > > > > > > cycle ends, until their next

> one

> > > begins. This

> > > > > not only

> > > > > > >

> > >

>

doesnÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„Ãâ€\

šÃ‚¢t

> give the body a

> > > true

> > > > > break, but it also can

> > > > > > > lead to long-term

> consequences from the

> > > Arimidex

> > > > > > > itself.ÂÂÂ

> > >

>

LetÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„ÂÃ\

‚¢s

> look at some

> > > > > of the most

> > > > > > > important issues regarding

> Arimidex

> > > usage.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Estrogen does have its

> purposes

> > > > > > > > Arimidex limits the

> amount of

> > > estrogen

> > > > > produced in

> > > > > > > your body.ÂÂÂ

>

> > >

>

ThereÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„Ãâ€\

šÃ‚¢s

> only one

> > > > > problem here

> ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ "

> > > > > > > you NEED a fair amount of

> estrogen for

> > > several

> > > > > body

> > > > > > > functions, including muscle

> building

> > > itself.ÂÂ

> > > > > Estrogen

> > > > > > > must also be present for a

> strong

> > > sexual drive

> > > > > (Yes, even in

> > > > > > > men) as well as to achieve

> and maintain

> > > healthy

> > > > > cholesterol

> > > > > > > levels.ÂÂÂ

> Many bodybuilders

> > > see estrogen as an

> > > > > enemy,

> > > > > > > but

> > >

>

thatÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„Â\

¢s

> not

> > > accurate. Too

> > > > > much estrogen is

> > > > > > > what causes problems.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Moderation is the key

> > > > > > > > Like any compound, you

> must use

> > > Arimidex in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > adequate dose for an adequate

> time

> > > period.ÂÂ

> > > > > You just

> > > > > > > cannot stay on it

> forever.ÂÂÂ

> > > If

> > > > >

>

youÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„ÂÃ\

‚¢re

> only

> > > > > > > taking 2 to 3 total Arimidex

> pills per

> > > week, you

> > > > > can safely

> > > > > > > maintain usage for several

> months at a

> > > time.ÂÂ

> > > > > If

> > > > > > >

> > >

>

youÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„ÂÃ\

‚¢re

> taking 1-2 per

> > > day, as

> > > > > many bodybuilders so

> > > > > > > irresponsibly do in an

> attempt to keep

> > > their

> > > > > muscles

> > > > > > > following a cycle, then

> > >

>

youÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„ÂÃ\

‚¢re

> > > > > going to need to halt

> > > > > > > use after 6 to 8

> weeks.ÂÂÂ

> > > Each week should

> > > > > reduce the

> > > > > > > total number of the original

> dose by 20

> > > to 25%,

> > > > > assuring

> > > > > > >

> > >

>

youÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„ÂÃ\

‚¢ve

> nearly completed

> > > the

> > > > > cycle and are completely

> > > > > > > clean in 2 months.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Recommended products

> > > > > > > > There is a wealth of

> good products

> > > you can

> > > > > use to

> > > > > > > deliver the PCT effects you

> > > desire. OTC

> > > > > solutions such

> > > > > > > as Novedex XP (by Gaspari)

> and 6-Oxo by

> > > Ergopharm

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > probably as effective as

> Arimidex, and

> > > are legal

> > > > > and easily

> > > > > > > obtainable as

> well.ÂÂÂ

> > > However, if you want to

> > > > > use in

> > > > > > > heavy dosages, which is

> typically not

> > > > > recommended,

> > > > > > >

> > >

>

youÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„ÂÃ\

‚¢ll

> want to seek out

> > > actual

> > > > > Arimidex.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The bottom line is that

> PCT is

> > > something

> > > > > that should

> > > > > > > never be taken

> lightly.ÂÂÂ

> > > Too much will hurt

> > > > > your

> > > > > > >

> > >

>

bodyÃÆ'¢â‚¬â„Â\

¢s

> systems, and too

> > > little

> > > > > will result in

> > > > > > > negative side

> effects. ÂÂ

> > >  The use of an

> > > > > > > over-the-counter solution in

> moderate

> > > dosing is

> > > > > probably

> > > > > > > your best solution!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > http://knol.

<http://knol.google.com/k/dane-fletcher/long-term-arimidex-use/1yijtt1e6h32o/254\

>

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