Re: Saliva cortisol test results

February 19, 2010

This test is about the best one you can do and by your ACTH Stim. test your

Primary meaning your Adrenals are over worked and need to heal. The way to do

this is to go on Isocort of Cortef. Isocort is sold OTC and works good for most

people. Cortef you need a script from a Dr. and to treat this it's best to have

it done by a good Dr.

Here is a link about Adrenals and Thyroid in this is a FAQ's I help do when I

was a Mod. at STTM of Adrenals and Thyroid most people with bad Adrenals need

to check there Thyriod too.

http://livingnetwork.co.za/hormones/adrenal-fatigue/

If your going to treat this you need to read this FAQ's and the links in it.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/faq/

In this link it helps you to tell if you have AF.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/how-to-treat/

Do you have a good Dr. to help you treat this.

In this link it shows you how you need to start on Isocort of Cortef HC.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: troubledfinuser <no_reply >

> Subject: Saliva cortisol test results

>

> Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 6:02 AM

>

> Hello.

>

> I would like to ask the group for your insight to below

> test results and ways to possible get these values in

> range.

>

> morning: 9.1 range: (12-22)

> lunch: 4.5 range: (5-9)

> afternoon: 1.5 range: (3-7)

> night time: 1.1 range: (1-3)

>

> Total cortisol: l6.2 range: (21-41)

>

> How reliable are the salvia cortisol tests?

> My dhea was also tested in saliva and was found in range.

>

> I have also done an acth stimulation test that has shown

> poor cortisol rise after injection.

>

> Should i try cortef and c how i do? can i wean of that

> further down the line?

>

> Symptoms i cant seem to get rid of are:

>

> Sleep issues. I cant remember dreams (if i have any) have

> trouble falling to sleep. Always feel like i hardly slept

> upon awakening.

>

> Food allergies. Became what i think is celiak when all this

> started. Never had any allergies in my life b4 this. Now i

> have atleast 10 foods i cant eat.

>

> Low stamina and energy.

>

> Low sexdrive.

>

> With this beeing said. I can still ride my bike for 5 hours

> and feel okay. I just dot get any endorfins from it and i

> get no feel good kicks. Used to be a bikemessenger so i know

> how my body usually respond to exercise very well.

>

> Its not like im forced to be in bed im not THAT bad, i just

> feel my health is poor and deteriating. Ive also lost weight

> and im skinny.

>

> Thanks for any help you can provide!

>

> ------------------------------------

>

February 25, 2010

I wrote this as email response some days ago but it seems it never arrived in

this forum.. appologies if a double but dont seem to be.

Thanks for your never ending support to the group PHIL!

I dont have a good doctor! In the past i have been diagnoses with low

testosterone (or atleast low bioavailable testostereone) an have tried testogel

for that. Some of my symptoms felt better on Tgel but it dident feel as if its

the rout cause of my problems. My sexdrive was through the roof on Tgel but

thats not my main concearn. I feel if i had my energy levels up and good sleep

my sexual interest would return even without T. I have also tested highish on

Bioavailable

testosterone when i went to check on a good day so i think my low T is just a

symptom of something else, possibly adrenal fatigue?

I have tested thyriod in 24 hour urine sample and im awaiting results (2 weeks).

I have also tested thryiod before and it always comes back with very high

(sometimes even over the range) free T4 and highish free T3. So maybe im still

converting to little T4 to the active T3. I read somewhere this could possibly

be to poor adrenal function. With such high thyriod readings i doubt i would by

hypothyriod if adrenals would be fix but i guess you never really know.

Isocort sounds like a good start to c if things improve. What timeframe are we

talking about to c some beneficial results?

Would there by any danger in using this for longer periods?

God, i cant wait to feel better! I have been like this for 4 years now.

Thanks again!

B

>

> > From: troubledfinuser <no_reply >

> > Subject: Saliva cortisol test results

> >

> > Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 6:02 AM

> >

> > Hello.

> >

> > I would like to ask the group for your insight to below

> > test results and ways to possible get these values in

> > range.

> >

> > morning: 9.1 range: (12-22)

> > lunch: 4.5 range: (5-9)

> > afternoon: 1.5 range: (3-7)

> > night time: 1.1 range: (1-3)

> >

> > Total cortisol: l6.2 range: (21-41)

> >

> > How reliable are the salvia cortisol tests?

> > My dhea was also tested in saliva and was found in range.

> >

> > I have also done an acth stimulation test that has shown

> > poor cortisol rise after injection.

> >

> > Should i try cortef and c how i do? can i wean of that

> > further down the line?

> >

> > Symptoms i cant seem to get rid of are:

> >

> > Sleep issues. I cant remember dreams (if i have any) have

> > trouble falling to sleep. Always feel like i hardly slept

> > upon awakening.

> >

> > Food allergies. Became what i think is celiak when all this

> > started. Never had any allergies in my life b4 this. Now i

> > have atleast 10 foods i cant eat.

> >

> > Low stamina and energy.

> >

> > Low sexdrive.

> >

> > With this beeing said. I can still ride my bike for 5 hours

> > and feel okay. I just dot get any endorfins from it and i

> > get no feel good kicks. Used to be a bikemessenger so i know

> > how my body usually respond to exercise very well.

> >

> > Its not like im forced to be in bed im not THAT bad, i just

> > feel my health is poor and deteriating. Ive also lost weight

> > and im skinny.

> >

> > Thanks for any help you can provide!

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

February 25, 2010

It seems i cant reply via gmail as the messages are sent to " no_reply " . Guess

that explains it

Hello again!

After showing these results to my doctor he tells me that saliva cortisol

testing is not a valid test.

He said that there was no scientifical proof that saliva cortisol levels were

something that you could use from a medical standpoint.

I have in the past also have low thyriod conversion from t4 to t3. He said that

too was not an issue considering that my t3 always came out high even tho my

conversion probably wasent that good since t4 was over top of range.

He also said that the acth injection test i did showed nothing suggesting i have

weak adrenals. My baseline that morning was 498 and after 30 min had risen to

630. According to interpetation of this test that i found online your level

should rise to atleast 500 and also by atleast >200. My levels only rose about

130 and i felt really bad later that night and after a few days with severe

backpain.

I have all sort of reactions to foods that i never had before. One of them

beeing celiak wich is weird cause i use to eat pasta twice a day. Another

indication of weak adrenals? My doctor do not seem to think adrenals are the

cause for my new allergies/intollerances.

Can someone please give me a link to where there is scientifical data that is

current and shows that saliva cortisol testing is a scientificly supported

method for determening cortisol levels?

Ive bought isocort and im ready to give this a test period but id really like my

doctor onboard with this. I dont like the thought of selfmedication unless there

is no other way!

If you also have a story to share about treating adrenal fatigue with HC or

Isocort id love to hear your experience! Were you able to get off and recover?

I need to convince my Doctor to treat me for this atleast for a test period! I

hate when a doctor tells me that my suspicions are wrong and holds no medical

ground. It makes me wonder what to think and what could happen if i selfmedicate

a problem that isent real. He is putting doubts in my head and i hate it!

Any help is greatly appreciated!

Thanks

Björn

> >

> > > From: troubledfinuser <no_reply >

> > > Subject: Saliva cortisol test results

> > >

> > > Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 6:02 AM

> > >

> > > Hello.

> > >

> > > I would like to ask the group for your insight to below

> > > test results and ways to possible get these values in

> > > range.

> > >

> > > morning: 9.1 range: (12-22)

> > > lunch: 4.5 range: (5-9)

> > > afternoon: 1.5 range: (3-7)

> > > night time: 1.1 range: (1-3)

> > >

> > > Total cortisol: l6.2 range: (21-41)

> > >

> > > How reliable are the salvia cortisol tests?

> > > My dhea was also tested in saliva and was found in range.

> > >

> > > I have also done an acth stimulation test that has shown

> > > poor cortisol rise after injection.

> > >

> > > Should i try cortef and c how i do? can i wean of that

> > > further down the line?

> > >

> > > Symptoms i cant seem to get rid of are:

> > >

> > > Sleep issues. I cant remember dreams (if i have any) have

> > > trouble falling to sleep. Always feel like i hardly slept

> > > upon awakening.

> > >

> > > Food allergies. Became what i think is celiak when all this

> > > started. Never had any allergies in my life b4 this. Now i

> > > have atleast 10 foods i cant eat.

> > >

> > > Low stamina and energy.

> > >

> > > Low sexdrive.

> > >

> > > With this beeing said. I can still ride my bike for 5 hours

> > > and feel okay. I just dot get any endorfins from it and i

> > > get no feel good kicks. Used to be a bikemessenger so i know

> > > how my body usually respond to exercise very well.

> > >

> > > Its not like im forced to be in bed im not THAT bad, i just

> > > feel my health is poor and deteriating. Ive also lost weight

> > > and im skinny.

> > >

> > > Thanks for any help you can provide!

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

February 25, 2010

I am sorry your post did not show up as to a time frame on how Isocort will work

my first pill gave me a feeling of well being. You need to work up to 8 pills a

day if you feel bad in the morning work up to 4 pills in the morning 2 at nood

and 2 at dinner time. Eight pills of Isocort is said to have 20 mgs or cortisol

in them here is how you start to take it from this link.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/how-to-treat

And read this link.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/

And this FAQ's on Adrenals.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/

===================================================

Since there is doubt that Isocort actually contains 2.5 mg per pellet, you may

need more to reach the the actual 20 mgs:

Day 1-3: 2.5 mg first thing in the AM (2.5 mg total)

Day 4-6: 2.5 mg first thing, 2.5 mg in four hours (5 mg total)

Day 7-9: 2.5 mg first thing; 2.5 mg in four hours; 2.5 mg in four hours (7 1/2

mg total)

Day 10-12: 5 mg first thing; 2.5 mg in four hours; 2.5 mg in four hours (10 mg

total)

Day 13-16: 5 mg first thing; 5 mg in four hours; 2.5 mg in four hours; 2.5 mg

bedtime (15 mg total)

Day 17-20: 10 mg first thing; 5 mg in four hours; 2.5 mg in four hours; Bedtime

2.5 mg (20 mg total)

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: troubledfinuser <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: Saliva cortisol test results

>

> Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 2:38 PM

>

> I wrote this as email response some days ago but it seems

> it never arrived in this forum.. appologies if a double but

> dont seem to be.

>

> Thanks for your never ending support to the group PHIL!

>

> I dont have a good doctor! In the past i have been

> diagnoses with low testosterone (or atleast low bioavailable

> testostereone) an have tried testogel for that. Some of my

> symptoms felt better on Tgel but it dident feel as if its

> the rout cause of my problems. My sexdrive was through the

> roof on Tgel but thats not my main concearn. I feel if

> i had my energy levels up and good sleep my sexual interest

> would return even without T. I have also tested highish on

> Bioavailable

>

> testosterone when i went to check on a good day so i think

> my low T is just a symptom of something else, possibly

> adrenal fatigue?

>

> I have tested thyriod in 24 hour urine sample and im

> awaiting results (2 weeks). I have also tested thryiod

> before and it always comes back with very high (sometimes

> even over the range) free T4 and highish free T3. So maybe

> im still converting to little T4 to the active T3. I read

> somewhere this could possibly be to poor adrenal function.

> With such high thyriod readings i doubt i would by

> hypothyriod if adrenals would be fix but i guess you never

> really know.

>

> Isocort sounds like a good start to c if things improve.

> What timeframe are we talking about to c some beneficial

> results?

> Would there by any danger in using this for longer periods?

>

> God, i cant wait to feel better! I have been like this for

> 4 years now.

>

> Thanks again!

> B

>

> >

> > > From: troubledfinuser <no_reply >

> > > Subject: Saliva cortisol test

> results

> > >

> > > Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 6:02 AM

> > >

> > > Hello.

> > >

> > > I would like to ask the group for your insight to

> below

> > > test results and ways to possible get these

> values in

> > > range.

> > >

> > > morning: 9.1 range: (12-22)

> > > lunch: 4.5 range: (5-9)

> > > afternoon: 1.5 range: (3-7)

> > > night time: 1.1 range: (1-3)

> > >

> > > Total cortisol: l6.2 range: (21-41)

> > >

> > > How reliable are the salvia cortisol tests?

> > > My dhea was also tested in saliva and was found

> in range.

> > >

> > > I have also done an acth stimulation test that

> has shown

> > > poor cortisol rise after injection.

> > >

> > > Should i try cortef and c how i do? can i wean of

> that

> > > further down the line?

> > >

> > > Symptoms i cant seem to get rid of are:

> > >

> > > Sleep issues. I cant remember dreams (if i have

> any) have

> > > trouble falling to sleep. Always feel like i

> hardly slept

> > > upon awakening.

> > >

> > > Food allergies. Became what i think is celiak

> when all this

> > > started. Never had any allergies in my life b4

> this. Now i

> > > have atleast 10 foods i cant eat.

> > >

> > > Low stamina and energy.

> > >

> > > Low sexdrive.

> > >

> > > With this beeing said. I can still ride my bike

> for 5 hours

> > > and feel okay. I just dot get any endorfins from

> it and i

> > > get no feel good kicks. Used to be a

> bikemessenger so i know

> > > how my body usually respond to exercise very

> well.

> > >

> > > Its not like im forced to be in bed im not THAT

> bad, i just

> > > feel my health is poor and deteriating. Ive also

> lost weight

> > > and im skinny.

> > >

> > > Thanks for any help you can provide!

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

February 25, 2010

I was a mod at STTM's web site for Men Only on Adrenals and Thyroid there is a

lot of info there read them.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/

in this link it shows you how to start on Isocort of HC.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/how-to-treat

In this link is a FAQ's read all the links and the links in the above links.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/faq/

Any Dr. that talks like this is not up on this problem and dose not feel it is a

problem.

http://livingnetwork.co.za/hormones/adrenal-fatigue/

In this link is how I got started treating my adrenals and Thyroid.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=5 & t=24

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: troubledfinuser <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: Saliva cortisol test results

>

> Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 2:49 PM

>

> It seems i cant reply via gmail as the messages are sent to

> " no_reply " . Guess that explains it

>

> Hello again!

>

> After showing these results to my doctor he tells me that

> saliva cortisol testing is not a valid test.

> He said that there was no scientifical proof that saliva

> cortisol levels were something that you could use from a

> medical standpoint.

>

> I have in the past also have low thyriod conversion from t4

> to t3. He said that too was not an issue considering that my

> t3 always came out high even tho my conversion probably

> wasent that good since t4 was over top of range.

>

> He also said that the acth injection test i did showed

> nothing suggesting i have weak adrenals. My baseline that

> morning was 498 and after 30 min had risen to 630. According

> to interpetation of this test that i found online your level

> should rise to atleast 500 and also by atleast >200. My

> levels only rose about 130 and i felt really bad later that

> night and after a few days with severe backpain.

>

> I have all sort of reactions to foods that i never had

> before. One of them beeing celiak wich is weird cause i use

> to eat pasta twice a day. Another indication of weak

> adrenals? My doctor do not seem to think adrenals are the

> cause for my new allergies/intollerances.

>

> Can someone please give me a link to where there is

> scientifical data that is current and shows that saliva

> cortisol testing is a scientificly supported method for

> determening cortisol levels?

>

> Ive bought isocort and im ready to give this a test period

> but id really like my doctor onboard with this. I dont like

> the thought of selfmedication unless there is no other way!

>

> If you also have a story to share about treating adrenal

> fatigue with HC or Isocort id love to hear your experience!

> Were you able to get off and recover?

>

> I need to convince my Doctor to treat me for this atleast

> for a test period! I hate when a doctor tells me that my

> suspicions are wrong and holds no medical ground. It makes

> me wonder what to think and what could happen if i

> selfmedicate a problem that isent real. He is putting doubts

> in my head and i hate it!

>

> Any help is greatly appreciated!

>

> Thanks

> Björn

>

> > >

> > > > From: troubledfinuser <no_reply >

> > > > Subject: Saliva cortisol test

> results

> > > >

> > > > Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 6:02 AM

> > > >

> > > > Hello.

> > > >

> > > > I would like to ask the group for your

> insight to below

> > > > test results and ways to possible get these

> values in

> > > > range.

> > > >

> > > > morning: 9.1 range: (12-22)

> > > > lunch: 4.5 range: (5-9)

> > > > afternoon: 1.5 range: (3-7)

> > > > night time: 1.1 range: (1-3)

> > > >

> > > > Total cortisol: l6.2 range: (21-41)

> > > >

> > > > How reliable are the salvia cortisol tests?

>

> > > > My dhea was also tested in saliva and was

> found in range.

> > > >

> > > > I have also done an acth stimulation test

> that has shown

> > > > poor cortisol rise after injection.

> > > >

> > > > Should i try cortef and c how i do? can i

> wean of that

> > > > further down the line?

> > > >

> > > > Symptoms i cant seem to get rid of are:

> > > >

> > > > Sleep issues. I cant remember dreams (if i

> have any) have

> > > > trouble falling to sleep. Always feel like i

> hardly slept

> > > > upon awakening.

> > > >

> > > > Food allergies. Became what i think is

> celiak when all this

> > > > started. Never had any allergies in my life

> b4 this. Now i

> > > > have atleast 10 foods i cant eat.

> > > >

> > > > Low stamina and energy.

> > > >

> > > > Low sexdrive.

> > > >

> > > > With this beeing said. I can still ride my

> bike for 5 hours

> > > > and feel okay. I just dot get any endorfins

> from it and i

> > > > get no feel good kicks. Used to be a

> bikemessenger so i know

> > > > how my body usually respond to exercise very

> well.

> > > >

> > > > Its not like im forced to be in bed im not

> THAT bad, i just

> > > > feel my health is poor and deteriating. Ive

> also lost weight

> > > > and im skinny.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for any help you can provide!

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

March 1, 2010

Hello again and thank you for the links. Lots of good information.

Today i got back the following results from a 24hour urine collection.

Urine volume: 1180ml range: 600-2500ml

Thyriod T3: 1935 range: 592-1850 pmol/24h *high*

Thyriod T4: 1451 range: 347-1994 pmol/24h

Aldosterone: 13.4 range: 6.0-44 mcg/24h

In previous bloodtest i have shown out of range high T4 and normal/high T3 Now

its the opposite.

Could a high T3 be reason for my symptoms or is the T3 high cause its not

getting into the cell because of low cortisol / adrenal output?

I dont know where to start really. How would you go about lowering T3? Or could

just adding cortisol bring down T3?

Ive always been skinny and have a hard time to put on muscles/fat for most of my

life. But i never felt so drained as i did the last couple of years.

Thanks for input guys, i appreciate it!

Regards

Björn

> > > >

> > > > > From: troubledfinuser <no_reply >

> > > > > Subject: Saliva cortisol test

> > results

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 6:02 AM

> > > > >

> > > > > Hello.

> > > > >

> > > > > I would like to ask the group for your

> > insight to below

> > > > > test results and ways to possible get these

> > values in

> > > > > range.

> > > > >

> > > > > morning: 9.1 range: (12-22)

> > > > > lunch: 4.5 range: (5-9)

> > > > > afternoon: 1.5 range: (3-7)

> > > > > night time: 1.1 range: (1-3)

> > > > >

> > > > > Total cortisol: l6.2 range: (21-41)

> > > > >

> > > > > How reliable are the salvia cortisol tests?

> >

> > > > > My dhea was also tested in saliva and was

> > found in range.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have also done an acth stimulation test

> > that has shown

> > > > > poor cortisol rise after injection.

> > > > >

> > > > > Should i try cortef and c how i do? can i

> > wean of that

> > > > > further down the line?

> > > > >

> > > > > Symptoms i cant seem to get rid of are:

> > > > >

> > > > > Sleep issues. I cant remember dreams (if i

> > have any) have

> > > > > trouble falling to sleep. Always feel like i

> > hardly slept

> > > > > upon awakening.

> > > > >

> > > > > Food allergies. Became what i think is

> > celiak when all this

> > > > > started. Never had any allergies in my life

> > b4 this. Now i

> > > > > have atleast 10 foods i cant eat.

> > > > >

> > > > > Low stamina and energy.

> > > > >

> > > > > Low sexdrive.

> > > > >

> > > > > With this beeing said. I can still ride my

> > bike for 5 hours

> > > > > and feel okay. I just dot get any endorfins

> > from it and i

> > > > > get no feel good kicks. Used to be a

> > bikemessenger so i know

> > > > > how my body usually respond to exercise very

> > well.

> > > > >

> > > > > Its not like im forced to be in bed im not

> > THAT bad, i just

> > > > > feel my health is poor and deteriating. Ive

> > also lost weight

> > > > > and im skinny.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for any help you can provide!

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

March 1, 2010

I am not good at 24 urine labs and don't feel they are all that great for

finding problems. My Dr. does not do them and my BCBS will not even pay for

them.

I think with urine labs a high number means your body is not using the T3. Your

Aldosterone is dam low but then I would not treat by urine labs. My levels were

low on a fasting blood test. You can read about low Aldosterone levels and how

your body dumps your sodium with this problem at this link.

http://www.tuberose.com/Adrenal_Glands.html

My Dr. put me on Florinef .1mgs and has me add Pink Sea Salt to my water 3x's a

day about a 1/2 tsp.

Now the heat of summer does not bother me and I can work out side in the yard.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: troubledfinuser <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: Saliva cortisol test results

>

> Date: Monday, March 1, 2010, 8:17 AM

>

> Hello again and thank you for the links. Lots of good

> information.

>

> Today i got back the following results from a 24hour urine

> collection.

>

> Urine volume: 1180ml range: 600-2500ml

>

> Thyriod T3: 1935 range: 592-1850 pmol/24h *high*

> Thyriod T4: 1451 range: 347-1994 pmol/24h

>

> Aldosterone: 13.4 range: 6.0-44 mcg/24h

>

> In previous bloodtest i have shown out of range high T4 and

> normal/high T3 Now its the opposite.

>

> Could a high T3 be reason for my symptoms or is the T3 high

> cause its not getting into the cell because of low cortisol

> / adrenal output?

>

> I dont know where to start really. How would you go about

> lowering T3? Or could just adding cortisol bring down T3?

>

> Ive always been skinny and have a hard time to put on

> muscles/fat for most of my life. But i never felt so drained

> as i did the last couple of years.

>

> Thanks for input guys, i appreciate it!

>

> Regards

> Björn

>

> > > > >

> > > > > > From: troubledfinuser <no_reply >

> > > > > > Subject: Saliva

> cortisol test

> > > results

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Date: Friday, February 19, 2010,

> 6:02 AM

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hello.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I would like to ask the group for

> your

> > > insight to below

> > > > > > test results and ways to possible

> get these

> > > values in

> > > > > > range.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > morning: 9.1 range:

> (12-22)

> > > > > > lunch: 4.5 range:

> (5-9)

> > > > > > afternoon: 1.5 range: (3-7)

> > > > > > night time: 1.1 range: (1-3)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Total cortisol: l6.2 range:

> (21-41)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > How reliable are the salvia

> cortisol tests?

> > >

> > > > > > My dhea was also tested in saliva

> and was

> > > found in range.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have also done an acth

> stimulation test

> > > that has shown

> > > > > > poor cortisol rise after

> injection.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Should i try cortef and c how i

> do? can i

> > > wean of that

> > > > > > further down the line?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Symptoms i cant seem to get rid of

> are:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sleep issues. I cant remember

> dreams (if i

> > > have any) have

> > > > > > trouble falling to sleep. Always

> feel like i

> > > hardly slept

> > > > > > upon awakening.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Food allergies. Became what i

> think is

> > > celiak when all this

> > > > > > started. Never had any allergies

> in my life

> > > b4 this. Now i

> > > > > > have atleast 10 foods i cant eat.

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Low stamina and energy.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Low sexdrive.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With this beeing said. I can still

> ride my

> > > bike for 5 hours

> > > > > > and feel okay. I just dot get any

> endorfins

> > > from it and i

> > > > > > get no feel good kicks. Used to be

> a

> > > bikemessenger so i know

> > > > > > how my body usually respond to

> exercise very

> > > well.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Its not like im forced to be in

> bed im not

> > > THAT bad, i just

> > > > > > feel my health is poor and

> deteriating. Ive

> > > also lost weight

> > > > > > and im skinny.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks for any help you can

> provide!

> > > > > >

> ------------------------------------

> > > > > >

March 1, 2010

Hi

Well urine is not the most accurate when it comes to thyroid tests. it would be

good if you could get bloods done. In saying that, looking at these results you

could have a reverse t3 problem. This is brought on by low cortisol, low

ferritin and b12 etc.You take t3 only to fix it.Â But you need good for

ferritin and be on some cortisol treatment before you start t3 only. You will

have to go and get a reverse t3 blood test and a free t3 test at the same time

to work out if you have a problem.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/2009/11/18/reverse-t3/

http://thyroid-rt3.com/

What lab did your 24 saliva cortisol test?

Sky

Â

________________________________

From: troubledfinuser <no_reply >

Sent: Mon, 1 March, 2010 11:17:00 PM

Subject: Re: Saliva cortisol test results

Â

Hello again and thank you for the links. Lots of good information.

Today i got back the following results from a 24hour urine collection.

Urine volume: 1180ml range: 600-2500ml

Thyriod T3: 1935 range: 592-1850 pmol/24h *high*

Thyriod T4: 1451 range: 347-1994 pmol/24h

Aldosterone: 13.4 range: 6.0-44 mcg/24h

In previous bloodtest i have shown out of range high T4 and normal/high T3 Now

its the opposite.

Could a high T3 be reason for my symptoms or is the T3 high cause its not

getting into the cell because of low cortisol / adrenal output?

I dont know where to start really. How would you go about lowering T3? Or could

just adding cortisol bring down T3?

Ive always been skinny and have a hard time to put on muscles/fat for most of my

life. But i never felt so drained as i did the last couple of years.

Thanks for input guys, i appreciate it!

Regards

BjÃ¶rn

> > > >

> > > > > From: troubledfinuser <no_reply@group s.com>

> > > > > Subject: Saliva cortisol test

> > results

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 6:02 AM

> > > > >

> > > > > Hello.

> > > > >

> > > > > I would like to ask the group for your

> > insight to below

> > > > > test results and ways to possible get these

> > values in

> > > > > range.

> > > > >

> > > > > morning: 9.1Â Â Â Â range: (12-22)

> > > > > lunch: 4.5Â Â Â Â Â range: (5-9)

> > > > > afternoon: 1.5Â Â Â range: (3-7)

> > > > > night time: 1.1Â range: (1-3)

> > > > >

> > > > > Total cortisol: l6.2 range: (21-41)

> > > > >

> > > > > How reliable are the salvia cortisol tests?

> >

> > > > > My dhea was also tested in saliva and was

> > found in range.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have also done an acth stimulation test

> > that has shown

> > > > > poor cortisol rise after injection.

> > > > >

> > > > > Should i try cortef and c how i do? can i

> > wean of that

> > > > > further down the line?

> > > > >

> > > > > Symptoms i cant seem to get rid of are:

> > > > >

> > > > > Sleep issues. I cant remember dreams (if i

> > have any) have

> > > > > trouble falling to sleep. Always feel like i

> > hardly slept

> > > > > upon awakening.

> > > > >

> > > > > Food allergies. Became what i think is

> > celiak when all this

> > > > > started. Never had any allergies in my life

> > b4 this. Now i

> > > > > have atleast 10 foods i cant eat.

> > > > >

> > > > > Low stamina and energy.

> > > > >

> > > > > Low sexdrive.

> > > > >

> > > > > With this beeing said. I can still ride my

> > bike for 5 hours

> > > > > and feel okay. I just dot get any endorfins

> > from it and i

> > > > > get no feel good kicks. Used to be a

> > bikemessenger so i know

> > > > > how my body usually respond to exercise very

> > well.

> > > > >

> > > > > Its not like im forced to be in bed im not

> > THAT bad, i just

> > > > > feel my health is poor and deteriating. Ive

> > also lost weight

> > > > > and im skinny.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for any help you can provide!

> > > > >

> > > > > Â

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > > >

March 1, 2010

Thanks again.

A lab called Geneva Diagnostics Europe did all the saliva and urine tests.

Previous blood test for thyriod and more looks like this:

First test i did:

s-prolactin 7.8 (3-13)

s-fsh 3.3 (1.0-12.5)

s-lh 2.1 A (1.2-9.6)

s-östradiol <150

s-dheas 9.5 (4.3-12)

s-shbg 40 (20-50)

s-testosterone 12 (10-30)

s-testosterone bioactive 5.2 (6.3-16)****LOW****

tsh 1.0 (0.1-4.)

Follow up:

s-prolactin 8 (3-13)

shbg 45 (20-50)

s-östradiol 47 (30-150)

s-testosterone 14 (10-30)

s-testosterone bioactive (not tested this time)

tsh 1.7 (0.4-3.0)

Free t4 16 (8-14)*****HIGH*****

Free t3 4,8 (3.5-5,4)

kortisol 394 (200-800 in the morning)

Thanks for help!

B

> > > > >

> > > > > > From: troubledfinuser <no_reply@group s.com>

> > > > > > Subject: Saliva cortisol test

> > > results

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 6:02 AM

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hello.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I would like to ask the group for your

> > > insight to below

> > > > > > test results and ways to possible get these

> > > values in

> > > > > > range.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > morning: 9.1Â Â Â Â range: (12-22)

> > > > > > lunch: 4.5Â Â Â Â Â range: (5-9)

> > > > > > afternoon: 1.5Â Â Â range: (3-7)

> > > > > > night time: 1.1Â range: (1-3)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Total cortisol: l6.2 range: (21-41)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > How reliable are the salvia cortisol tests?

> > >

> > > > > > My dhea was also tested in saliva and was

> > > found in range.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have also done an acth stimulation test

> > > that has shown

> > > > > > poor cortisol rise after injection.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Should i try cortef and c how i do? can i

> > > wean of that

> > > > > > further down the line?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Symptoms i cant seem to get rid of are:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sleep issues. I cant remember dreams (if i

> > > have any) have

> > > > > > trouble falling to sleep. Always feel like i

> > > hardly slept

> > > > > > upon awakening.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Food allergies. Became what i think is

> > > celiak when all this

> > > > > > started. Never had any allergies in my life

> > > b4 this. Now i

> > > > > > have atleast 10 foods i cant eat.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Low stamina and energy.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Low sexdrive.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With this beeing said. I can still ride my

> > > bike for 5 hours

> > > > > > and feel okay. I just dot get any endorfins

> > > from it and i

> > > > > > get no feel good kicks. Used to be a

> > > bikemessenger so i know

> > > > > > how my body usually respond to exercise very

> > > well.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Its not like im forced to be in bed im not

> > > THAT bad, i just

> > > > > > feel my health is poor and deteriating. Ive

> > > also lost weight

> > > > > > and im skinny.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks for any help you can provide!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Â

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > > > >

March 1, 2010

Hi

That t4 does not look good at all. I would definitely test for reverse t3.

SKY

________________________________

From: troubledfinuser <no_reply >

Sent: Tue, 2 March, 2010 1:30:30 AM

Subject: Re: Saliva cortisol test results

Â

Thanks again.

A lab called Geneva Diagnostics Europe did all the saliva and urine tests.

Previous blood test for thyriod and more looks like this:

First test i did:

s-prolactin 7.8 (3-13)

s-fsh 3.3 (1.0-12.5)

s-lh 2.1 A (1.2-9.6)

s-Ã¶stradiol <150

s-dheas 9.5 (4.3-12)

s-shbg 40 (20-50)

s-testosterone 12 (10-30)

s-testosterone bioactive 5.2 (6.3-16)**** LOW****

tsh 1.0 (0.1-4.)

Follow up:

s-prolactin 8 (3-13)

shbg 45 (20-50)

s-Ã¶stradiol 47 (30-150)

s-testosterone 14 (10-30)

s-testosterone bioactive (not tested this time)

tsh 1.7 (0.4-3.0)

Free t4 16 (8-14)*****HIGH* ****

Free t3 4,8 (3.5-5,4)

kortisol 394 (200-800 in the morning)

Thanks for help!

B

> > > > >

> > > > > > From: troubledfinuser <no_reply@grou p s.com>

> > > > > > Subject: Saliva cortisol test

> > > results

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 6:02 AM

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hello.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I would like to ask the group for your

> > > insight to below

> > > > > > test results and ways to possible get these

> > > values in

> > > > > > range.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > morning: 9.1Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â range: (12-22)

> > > > > > lunch: 4.5Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â range: (5-9)

> > > > > > afternoon: 1.5Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â range: (3-7)

> > > > > > night time: 1.1Ã‚Â range: (1-3)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Total cortisol: l6.2 range: (21-41)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > How reliable are the salvia cortisol tests?

> > >

> > > > > > My dhea was also tested in saliva and was

> > > found in range.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have also done an acth stimulation test

> > > that has shown

> > > > > > poor cortisol rise after injection.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Should i try cortef and c how i do? can i

> > > wean of that

> > > > > > further down the line?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Symptoms i cant seem to get rid of are:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sleep issues. I cant remember dreams (if i

> > > have any) have

> > > > > > trouble falling to sleep. Always feel like i

> > > hardly slept

> > > > > > upon awakening.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Food allergies. Became what i think is

> > > celiak when all this

> > > > > > started. Never had any allergies in my life

> > > b4 this. Now i

> > > > > > have atleast 10 foods i cant eat.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Low stamina and energy.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Low sexdrive.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With this beeing said. I can still ride my

> > > bike for 5 hours

> > > > > > and feel okay. I just dot get any endorfins

> > > from it and i

> > > > > > get no feel good kicks. Used to be a

> > > bikemessenger so i know

> > > > > > how my body usually respond to exercise very

> > > well.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Its not like im forced to be in bed im not

> > > THAT bad, i just

> > > > > > feel my health is poor and deteriating. Ive

> > > also lost weight

> > > > > > and im skinny.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks for any help you can provide!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ã‚Â

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > > > >

March 1, 2010

T4 has since that test come down within range even in blood test but i dont have

that particular test on hand.

I thought rT3 was used to shed light on a situation with low T3? Im obvisouly a

noob at all this but that was my understanding.

What are one hoping to find with a rT3 test when you have high t4 and high t3 in

previous blood tests?

Thanks again

B

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > From: troubledfinuser <no_reply@grou p s.com>

> > > > > > > Subject: Saliva cortisol test

> > > > results

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 6:02 AM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hello.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I would like to ask the group for your

> > > > insight to below

> > > > > > > test results and ways to possible get these

> > > > values in

> > > > > > > range.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > morning: 9.1Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â range: (12-22)

> > > > > > > lunch: 4.5Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â range: (5-9)

> > > > > > > afternoon: 1.5Ã‚Â Ã‚Â Ã‚Â range: (3-7)

> > > > > > > night time: 1.1Ã‚Â range: (1-3)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Total cortisol: l6.2 range: (21-41)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > How reliable are the salvia cortisol tests?

> > > >

> > > > > > > My dhea was also tested in saliva and was

> > > > found in range.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have also done an acth stimulation test

> > > > that has shown

> > > > > > > poor cortisol rise after injection.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Should i try cortef and c how i do? can i

> > > > wean of that

> > > > > > > further down the line?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Symptoms i cant seem to get rid of are:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sleep issues. I cant remember dreams (if i

> > > > have any) have

> > > > > > > trouble falling to sleep. Always feel like i

> > > > hardly slept

> > > > > > > upon awakening.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Food allergies. Became what i think is

> > > > celiak when all this

> > > > > > > started. Never had any allergies in my life

> > > > b4 this. Now i

> > > > > > > have atleast 10 foods i cant eat.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Low stamina and energy.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Low sexdrive.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > With this beeing said. I can still ride my

> > > > bike for 5 hours

> > > > > > > and feel okay. I just dot get any endorfins

> > > > from it and i

> > > > > > > get no feel good kicks. Used to be a

> > > > bikemessenger so i know

> > > > > > > how my body usually respond to exercise very

> > > > well.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Its not like im forced to be in bed im not

> > > > THAT bad, i just

> > > > > > > feel my health is poor and deteriating. Ive

> > > > also lost weight

> > > > > > > and im skinny.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks for any help you can provide!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ã‚Â

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > > > > >

March 1, 2010

Hi

It depends where t4 is in the range if it is above mid-range people tend to have

a reverse t3 problem.

You can have high or low t3 and still have a RT3 problem especially if you have

left your adrenals and ferritin untreated.

A reverse t3 test tells you if your t4 is converting to t3. If low in cortisol

and ferritin your body could be pooling t3 and not letting get into your cells.

You go by a ratio between free t3 and reverse t3. If the ratio is above 20 you

do not have a problem. If it is below you need to go on t3 only.

Sky

________________________________

From: troubledfinuser <no_reply >

Sent: Tue, 2 March, 2010 2:16:40 AM

Subject: Re: Saliva cortisol test results

Â

T4 has since that test come down within range even in blood test but i dont have

that particular test on hand.

I thought rT3 was used to shed light on a situation with low T3? Im obvisouly a

noob at all this but that was my understanding.

What are one hoping to find with a rT3 test when you have high t4 and high t3 in

previous blood tests?

Thanks again

B

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > From: troubledfinuser <no_reply@grou p s.com>

> > > > > > > Subject: Saliva cortisol test

> > > > results

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 6:02 AM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hello.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I would like to ask the group for your

> > > > insight to below

> > > > > > > test results and ways to possible get these

> > > > values in

> > > > > > > range.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > morning: 9.1Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â range: (12-22)

> > > > > > > lunch: 4.5Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â range:

(5-9)

> > > > > > > afternoon: 1.5Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â range: (3-7)

> > > > > > > night time: 1.1Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â range: (1-3)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Total cortisol: l6.2 range: (21-41)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > How reliable are the salvia cortisol tests?

> > > >

> > > > > > > My dhea was also tested in saliva and was

> > > > found in range.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I have also done an acth stimulation test

> > > > that has shown

> > > > > > > poor cortisol rise after injection.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Should i try cortef and c how i do? can i

> > > > wean of that

> > > > > > > further down the line?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Symptoms i cant seem to get rid of are:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sleep issues. I cant remember dreams (if i

> > > > have any) have

> > > > > > > trouble falling to sleep. Always feel like i

> > > > hardly slept

> > > > > > > upon awakening.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Food allergies. Became what i think is

> > > > celiak when all this

> > > > > > > started. Never had any allergies in my life

> > > > b4 this. Now i

> > > > > > > have atleast 10 foods i cant eat.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Low stamina and energy.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Low sexdrive.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > With this beeing said. I can still ride my

> > > > bike for 5 hours

> > > > > > > and feel okay. I just dot get any endorfins

> > > > from it and i

> > > > > > > get no feel good kicks. Used to be a

> > > > bikemessenger so i know

> > > > > > > how my body usually respond to exercise very

> > > > well.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Its not like im forced to be in bed im not

> > > > THAT bad, i just

> > > > > > > feel my health is poor and deteriating. Ive

> > > > also lost weight

> > > > > > > and im skinny.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks for any help you can provide!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > > > > >

March 2, 2010

Thanks

Ill try to get the doc to take a rt3 on my next set of tests.

In the mean time im gonna start on the isocort for a test period and c how i do.

I thought i had gotten the isocort pills allrdy but i found out when i opened

the package i accidently ordered this instead. As it came up when i searched for

isocort on iherb :/ Guess i wasent paying attention.

http://www.iherb.com/Search?kw=isocort

So iherb dont have isocort, does anyone know a good and trustworthy E-store

where i can buy isocort that ships to Europe for reasonable amount of cash?

Vitamninmd wants a whopping 85usd just for shipping 1 - 5 pill boxes. That feels

like a robbery!

Would ebay users be safe? is there more than one kind of isocort or is that the

brand name so all would be the same?

Need to try something now, cant just wait any more.

Thanks!

B

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > From: troubledfinuser <no_reply@grou p s.com>

> > > > > > > > Subject: Saliva cortisol test

> > > > > results

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 6:02 AM

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hello.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I would like to ask the group for your

> > > > > insight to below

> > > > > > > > test results and ways to possible get these

> > > > > values in

> > > > > > > > range.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > morning: 9.1Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â range: (12-22)

> > > > > > > > lunch: 4.5Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â range:

(5-9)

> > > > > > > > afternoon: 1.5Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â range: (3-7)

> > > > > > > > night time: 1.1Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â range: (1-3)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Total cortisol: l6.2 range: (21-41)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > How reliable are the salvia cortisol tests?

> > > > >

> > > > > > > > My dhea was also tested in saliva and was

> > > > > found in range.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have also done an acth stimulation test

> > > > > that has shown

> > > > > > > > poor cortisol rise after injection.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Should i try cortef and c how i do? can i

> > > > > wean of that

> > > > > > > > further down the line?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Symptoms i cant seem to get rid of are:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sleep issues. I cant remember dreams (if i

> > > > > have any) have

> > > > > > > > trouble falling to sleep. Always feel like i

> > > > > hardly slept

> > > > > > > > upon awakening.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Food allergies. Became what i think is

> > > > > celiak when all this

> > > > > > > > started. Never had any allergies in my life

> > > > > b4 this. Now i

> > > > > > > > have atleast 10 foods i cant eat.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Low stamina and energy.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Low sexdrive.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > With this beeing said. I can still ride my

> > > > > bike for 5 hours

> > > > > > > > and feel okay. I just dot get any endorfins

> > > > > from it and i

> > > > > > > > get no feel good kicks. Used to be a

> > > > > bikemessenger so i know

> > > > > > > > how my body usually respond to exercise very

> > > > > well.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Its not like im forced to be in bed im not

> > > > > THAT bad, i just

> > > > > > > > feel my health is poor and deteriating. Ive

> > > > > also lost weight

> > > > > > > > and im skinny.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks for any help you can provide!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------

> > > > > > > >

March 2, 2010

Try this one I had good luck with them and when you get it start slow one pill

every 3 days until your doing 8 a day.

http://www.vitaminmd.com/inc/searchresults?s=Isocort & ss=Isocort & n=822203

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: troubledfinuser <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: Saliva cortisol test results

>

> Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 5:11 PM

> Thanks

>

> Ill try to get the doc to take a rt3 on my next set of

> tests.

>

> In the mean time im gonna start on the isocort for a test

> period and c how i do.

>

> I thought i had gotten the isocort pills allrdy but i found

> out when i opened the package i accidently ordered this

> instead. As it came up when i searched for isocort on iherb

> :/ Guess i wasent paying attention.

>

> http://www.iherb.com/Search?kw=isocort

>

> So iherb dont have isocort, does anyone know a good and

> trustworthy E-store where i can buy isocort that ships to

> Europe for reasonable amount of cash? Vitamninmd wants a

> whopping 85usd just for shipping 1 - 5 pill boxes. That

> feels like a robbery!

>

> Would ebay users be safe? is there more than one kind of

> isocort or is that the brand name so all would be the same?

>

> Need to try something now, cant just wait any more.

>

> Thanks!

> B

>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > From:

> troubledfinuser <no_reply@grou p s.com>

> > > > > > > > > Subject:

> Saliva cortisol test

> > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > @

> groups. com

> > > > > > > > > Date: Friday,

> February 19, 2010, 6:02 AM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hello.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I would like to ask

> the group for your

> > > > > > insight to below

> > > > > > > > > test results and

> ways to possible get these

> > > > > > values in

> > > > > > > > > range.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > morning:

> 9.1ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â range:

> (12-22)

> > > > > > > > > lunch:

> 4.5ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â range:

> (5-9)

> > > > > > > > > afternoon:

> 1.5ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â range:

> (3-7)

> > > > > > > > > night time:

> 1.1ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â range: (1-3)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Total cortisol:

> l6.2 range: (21-41)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > How reliable are

> the salvia cortisol tests?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > My dhea was also

> tested in saliva and was

> > > > > > found in range.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I have also done an

> acth stimulation test

> > > > > > that has shown

> > > > > > > > > poor cortisol rise

> after injection.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Should i try cortef

> and c how i do? can i

> > > > > > wean of that

> > > > > > > > > further down the

> line?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Symptoms i cant

> seem to get rid of are:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sleep issues. I

> cant remember dreams (if i

> > > > > > have any) have

> > > > > > > > > trouble falling to

> sleep. Always feel like i

> > > > > > hardly slept

> > > > > > > > > upon awakening.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Food allergies.

> Became what i think is

> > > > > > celiak when all this

> > > > > > > > > started. Never had

> any allergies in my life

> > > > > > b4 this. Now i

> > > > > > > > > have atleast 10

> foods i cant eat.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Low stamina and

> energy.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Low sexdrive.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > With this beeing

> said. I can still ride my

> > > > > > bike for 5 hours

> > > > > > > > > and feel okay. I

> just dot get any endorfins

> > > > > > from it and i

> > > > > > > > > get no feel good

> kicks. Used to be a

> > > > > > bikemessenger so i know

> > > > > > > > > how my body usually

> respond to exercise very

> > > > > > well.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Its not like im

> forced to be in bed im not

> > > > > > THAT bad, i just

> > > > > > > > > feel my health is

> poor and deteriating. Ive

> > > > > > also lost weight

> > > > > > > > > and im skinny.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks for any help

> you can provide!

> > > > > > > > >

> ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ------------

> --------- --------- ------

> > > > > > > > >

> Links

> > > > > > > > >

> ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â -

> fullfeatured

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------ --------- ---------

> ------

> > > > > >

March 2, 2010

Thanks Phil!

But those were the ones that wanted 85usd (bit steap for pills..) to ship to

Europe..

Have you or anyone another source perhaps?

Thanks again.

B

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > From:

> > troubledfinuser <no_reply@grou p s.com>

> > > > > > > > > > Subject:

> > Saliva cortisol test

> > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > @

> > groups. com

> > > > > > > > > > Date: Friday,

> > February 19, 2010, 6:02 AM

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Hello.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I would like to ask

> > the group for your

> > > > > > > insight to below

> > > > > > > > > > test results and

> > ways to possible get these

> > > > > > > values in

> > > > > > > > > > range.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > morning:

> > 9.1ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â range:

> > (12-22)

> > > > > > > > > > lunch:

> > 4.5ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â range:

> > (5-9)

> > > > > > > > > > afternoon:

> > 1.5ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â range:

> > (3-7)

> > > > > > > > > > night time:

> > 1.1ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â range: (1-3)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Total cortisol:

> > l6.2 range: (21-41)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > How reliable are

> > the salvia cortisol tests?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > My dhea was also

> > tested in saliva and was

> > > > > > > found in range.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I have also done an

> > acth stimulation test

> > > > > > > that has shown

> > > > > > > > > > poor cortisol rise

> > after injection.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Should i try cortef

> > and c how i do? can i

> > > > > > > wean of that

> > > > > > > > > > further down the

> > line?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Symptoms i cant

> > seem to get rid of are:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sleep issues. I

> > cant remember dreams (if i

> > > > > > > have any) have

> > > > > > > > > > trouble falling to

> > sleep. Always feel like i

> > > > > > > hardly slept

> > > > > > > > > > upon awakening.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Food allergies.

> > Became what i think is

> > > > > > > celiak when all this

> > > > > > > > > > started. Never had

> > any allergies in my life

> > > > > > > b4 this. Now i

> > > > > > > > > > have atleast 10

> > foods i cant eat.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Low stamina and

> > energy.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Low sexdrive.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > With this beeing

> > said. I can still ride my

> > > > > > > bike for 5 hours

> > > > > > > > > > and feel okay. I

> > just dot get any endorfins

> > > > > > > from it and i

> > > > > > > > > > get no feel good

> > kicks. Used to be a

> > > > > > > bikemessenger so i know

> > > > > > > > > > how my body usually

> > respond to exercise very

> > > > > > > well.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Its not like im

> > forced to be in bed im not

> > > > > > > THAT bad, i just

> > > > > > > > > > feel my health is

> > poor and deteriating. Ive

> > > > > > > also lost weight

> > > > > > > > > > and im skinny.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for any help

> > you can provide!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ------------

> > --------- --------- ------

> > > > > > > > > >

> > Links

> > > > > > > > > >

> > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â -

> > fullfeatured

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ------------ --------- ---------

> > ------

> > > > > > >

March 3, 2010

See is this search helps.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en & lr= & q=Isocort+sold+in+Europe & aq=f & aqi= & aql= & o\

q=

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: troubledfinuser <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: Saliva cortisol test results

>

> Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 7:30 PM

>

> Thanks Phil!

>

> But those were the ones that wanted 85usd (bit steap for

> pills..) to ship to Europe..

>

> Have you or anyone another source perhaps?

>

> Thanks again.

> B

>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > From:

> > > troubledfinuser <no_reply@grou p

> s.com>

> > > > > > > > > > > Subject:

> > > Saliva cortisol test

> > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > To:

> @

> > > groups. com

> > > > > > > > > > > Date:

> Friday,

> > > February 19, 2010, 6:02 AM

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Hello.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I would

> like to ask

> > > the group for your

> > > > > > > > insight to below

> > > > > > > > > > > test

> results and

> > > ways to possible get these

> > > > > > > > values in

> > > > > > > > > > > range.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > morning:

> > > 9.1ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > >

>

ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š\

Ã‚Â ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â range:

> > > (12-22)

> > > > > > > > > > > lunch:

> > > 4.5ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > >

>

ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š\

Ã‚Â ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â range:

> > > (5-9)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> afternoon:

> > >

>

1.5ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒ\

â€šÃ‚Â ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â range:

> > > (3-7)

> > > > > > > > > > > night

> time:

> > > 1.1ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> range: (1-3)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Total

> cortisol:

> > > l6.2 range: (21-41)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > How

> reliable are

> > > the salvia cortisol tests?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > My dhea

> was also

> > > tested in saliva and was

> > > > > > > > found in range.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I have

> also done an

> > > acth stimulation test

> > > > > > > > that has shown

> > > > > > > > > > > poor

> cortisol rise

> > > after injection.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Should i

> try cortef

> > > and c how i do? can i

> > > > > > > > wean of that

> > > > > > > > > > > further

> down the

> > > line?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Symptoms

> i cant

> > > seem to get rid of are:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sleep

> issues. I

> > > cant remember dreams (if i

> > > > > > > > have any) have

> > > > > > > > > > > trouble

> falling to

> > > sleep. Always feel like i

> > > > > > > > hardly slept

> > > > > > > > > > > upon

> awakening.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Food

> allergies.

> > > Became what i think is

> > > > > > > > celiak when all this

> > > > > > > > > > > started.

> Never had

> > > any allergies in my life

> > > > > > > > b4 this. Now i

> > > > > > > > > > > have

> atleast 10

> > > foods i cant eat.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Low

> stamina and

> > > energy.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Low

> sexdrive.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > With this

> beeing

> > > said. I can still ride my

> > > > > > > > bike for 5 hours

> > > > > > > > > > > and feel

> okay. I

> > > just dot get any endorfins

> > > > > > > > from it and i

> > > > > > > > > > > get no

> feel good

> > > kicks. Used to be a

> > > > > > > > bikemessenger so i know

> > > > > > > > > > > how my

> body usually

> > > respond to exercise very

> > > > > > > > well.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Its not

> like im

> > > forced to be in bed im not

> > > > > > > > THAT bad, i just

> > > > > > > > > > > feel my

> health is

> > > poor and deteriating. Ive

> > > > > > > > also lost weight

> > > > > > > > > > > and im

> skinny.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks

> for any help

> > > you can provide!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > > > > > > > > >

> ------------

> > > --------- --------- ------

> > > > > > > > > > >

> Groups

> > > Links

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â -

> > > fullfeatured

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ------------ ---------

> ---------

> > > ------

> > > > > > > >

March 3, 2010

Thanks i found a place to order isocort.

Anyone know if saliva estradiol readings are of any use in a man?

I just got min back at 10.7 (range 3-8)

Ive done atleast 2 seperate e2 blood test that has shown me at 12pg/m or 20pg/ml

(range 12-54)

I dont know what to make of it. Could it be that saliva estradiol is not

reliable for men? Basicly saliva shows my E2 over the range and my doctor who

does blood is concearned it might be to low at 12.

Dunno what to think really :/

Thanks for any light shed on the subject!

B

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > From:

> > > > troubledfinuser <no_reply@grou p

> > s.com>

> > > > > > > > > > > > Subject:

> > > > Saliva cortisol test

> > > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > To:

> > @

> > > > groups. com

> > > > > > > > > > > > Date:

> > Friday,

> > > > February 19, 2010, 6:02 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Hello.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I would

> > like to ask

> > > > the group for your

> > > > > > > > > insight to below

> > > > > > > > > > > > test

> > results and

> > > > ways to possible get these

> > > > > > > > > values in

> > > > > > > > > > > > range.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > morning:

> > > > 9.1ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > >

> >

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Ã‚Â ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â range:

> > > > (12-22)

> > > > > > > > > > > > lunch:

> > > > 4.5ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > >

> >

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Ã‚Â ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â range:

> > > > (5-9)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > afternoon:

> > > >

> >

1.5ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒ\

â€šÃ‚Â ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â range:

> > > > (3-7)

> > > > > > > > > > > > night

> > time:

> > > > 1.1ÃƒÆ'Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > range: (1-3)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Total

> > cortisol:

> > > > l6.2 range: (21-41)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > How

> > reliable are

> > > > the salvia cortisol tests?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > My dhea

> > was also

> > > > tested in saliva and was

> > > > > > > > > found in range.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I have

> > also done an

> > > > acth stimulation test

> > > > > > > > > that has shown

> > > > > > > > > > > > poor

> > cortisol rise

> > > > after injection.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Should i

> > try cortef

> > > > and c how i do? can i

> > > > > > > > > wean of that

> > > > > > > > > > > > further

> > down the

> > > > line?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Symptoms

> > i cant

> > > > seem to get rid of are:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sleep

> > issues. I

> > > > cant remember dreams (if i

> > > > > > > > > have any) have

> > > > > > > > > > > > trouble

> > falling to

> > > > sleep. Always feel like i

> > > > > > > > > hardly slept

> > > > > > > > > > > > upon

> > awakening.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Food

> > allergies.

> > > > Became what i think is

> > > > > > > > > celiak when all this

> > > > > > > > > > > > started.

> > Never had

> > > > any allergies in my life

> > > > > > > > > b4 this. Now i

> > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > atleast 10

> > > > foods i cant eat.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Low

> > stamina and

> > > > energy.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Low

> > sexdrive.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > With this

> > beeing

> > > > said. I can still ride my

> > > > > > > > > bike for 5 hours

> > > > > > > > > > > > and feel

> > okay. I

> > > > just dot get any endorfins

> > > > > > > > > from it and i

> > > > > > > > > > > > get no

> > feel good

> > > > kicks. Used to be a

> > > > > > > > > bikemessenger so i know

> > > > > > > > > > > > how my

> > body usually

> > > > respond to exercise very

> > > > > > > > > well.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Its not

> > like im

> > > > forced to be in bed im not

> > > > > > > > > THAT bad, i just

> > > > > > > > > > > > feel my

> > health is

> > > > poor and deteriating. Ive

> > > > > > > > > also lost weight

> > > > > > > > > > > > and im

> > skinny.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks

> > for any help

> > > > you can provide!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

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March 3, 2010

No they are not any good in men and any sex hormones done by Saliva testing is

not any good.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: troubledfinuser <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: Saliva cortisol test results

>

> Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 12:43 PM

> Thanks i found a place to order

> isocort.

>

> Anyone know if saliva estradiol readings are of any use in

> a man?

>

> I just got min back at 10.7 (range 3-8)

>

> Ive done atleast 2 seperate e2 blood test that has shown me

> at 12pg/m or 20pg/ml (range 12-54)

>

> I dont know what to make of it. Could it be that saliva

> estradiol is not reliable for men? Basicly saliva shows my

> E2 over the range and my doctor who does blood is concearned

> it might be to low at 12.

>

> Dunno what to think really :/

>

> Thanks for any light shed on the subject!

> B

>

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> From:

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> p

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> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> Subject:

> > > > > Saliva cortisol test

> > > > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> To:

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> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> Date:

> > > Friday,

> > > > > February 19, 2010, 6:02 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> Hello.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> I would

> > > like to ask

> > > > > the group for your

> > > > > > > > > > insight to

> below

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> test

> > > results and

> > > > > ways to possible get these

> > > > > > > > > > values in

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> range.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> morning:

> > > > >

>

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¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > > >

> > >

>

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¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â range:

> > > > > (12-22)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> lunch:

> > > > >

>

4.5ÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å\

¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > >

>

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> > > > >

> > >

>

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¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â range:

> > > > > (5-9)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > afternoon:

> > > > >

> > >

>

1.5ÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å\

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Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â range:

> > > > > (3-7)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> night

> > > time:

> > > > >

>

1.1ÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å\

¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > range: (1-3)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> Total

> > > cortisol:

> > > > > l6.2 range: (21-41)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> How

> > > reliable are

> > > > > the salvia cortisol tests?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> My dhea

> > > was also

> > > > > tested in saliva and was

> > > > > > > > > > found in

> range.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> I have

> > > also done an

> > > > > acth stimulation test

> > > > > > > > > > that has

> shown

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> poor

> > > cortisol rise

> > > > > after injection.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> Should i

> > > try cortef

> > > > > and c how i do? can i

> > > > > > > > > > wean of that

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> further

> > > down the

> > > > > line?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> Symptoms

> > > i cant

> > > > > seem to get rid of are:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> Sleep

> > > issues. I

> > > > > cant remember dreams (if i

> > > > > > > > > > have any)

> have

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> trouble

> > > falling to

> > > > > sleep. Always feel like i

> > > > > > > > > > hardly slept

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> upon

> > > awakening.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> Food

> > > allergies.

> > > > > Became what i think is

> > > > > > > > > > celiak when

> all this

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> started.

> > > Never had

> > > > > any allergies in my life

> > > > > > > > > > b4 this. Now

> i

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> have

> > > atleast 10

> > > > > foods i cant eat.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> Low

> > > stamina and

> > > > > energy.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> Low

> > > sexdrive.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> With this

> > > beeing

> > > > > said. I can still ride my

> > > > > > > > > > bike for 5

> hours

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> and feel

> > > okay. I

> > > > > just dot get any endorfins

> > > > > > > > > > from it and i

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> get no

> > > feel good

> > > > > kicks. Used to be a

> > > > > > > > > > bikemessenger

> so i know

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> how my

> > > body usually

> > > > > respond to exercise very

> > > > > > > > > > well.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> Its not

> > > like im

> > > > > forced to be in bed im not

> > > > > > > > > > THAT bad, i

> just

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> feel my

> > > health is

> > > > > poor and deteriating. Ive

> > > > > > > > > > also lost

> weight

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> and im

> > > skinny.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> Thanks

> > > for any help

> > > > > you can provide!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

>

> > > > > > > > > > > >

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Now im beginning to c a better picture of my situation. Thanks to all the info

so far.

For me all my problems started when i was out riding my bike. I was poorly

trained at this point and had not ridden for a couple of month.

I like to push myself (or used to anyways).

All of a sudden my right lower leg goes numb. Try to shake some sense to it but

i cant. Its numb but not completely. For me i never experienced anything like

this b4. I ride home. I get all shaky and cold. I get a prostate infection that

is bad. It feels enlarged and i barly can sit on my touche. It gets worse, i get

tingeling sensation all in my body especially hands and fingers. I get even more

cold and more bodyparts feel like they are going numb. My stomach wont digest

anything, it feels like im shuving food down a bucket that just fills up. I get

sick i dont puke but i feel like i want to all the time.

Im a guy with lots of vains on the outside of my body esp arms and lower legs.

They all dissapear, i cant even c my vains anymore. And they usually pretrude a

good half a cm or more if you pump. I cant make the visable. During a couple of

weeks i feel like this with symptoms of no circulaltion at all no digestion,

cant sleep, i shiver and i cant feel parts of my body. Blood in stool every time

i go (wich wasent often maybe twice a week).

After a few weeks i feel better but it takes a full 6 month to recover so i can

function again. This was more than 3 years ago. To this day i have not fully

recovered from this event but i do feel alot better than back then. It was

health hell! I still have allergies and many symptoms and general poor health

from this event. But im so much better! Almost forgot how bad i was before

writing this. Its amazing how good the body/mind is to move on!

All that the medical checks revealed at this time was low body temp and an

increased inflamatory marker. They just sent me home with aspirine. They said my

vains were fine and that perhaps my lack of excersice recently was the cause for

my vains to go into hiding.

Funny cause nurses usually comment on my vains every time i draw blood. and at

this point they had trouble finding them even with the band around my arm.

With a bit more insight to my situation. Could this have been what is referred

to as an addison crisis?

What you think?

Cheers

B

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > p

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > Subject:

> > > > > > Saliva cortisol test

> > > > > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > To:

> > > > @

> > > > > > groups. com

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > Date:

> > > > Friday,

> > > > > > February 19, 2010, 6:02 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > Hello.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > I would

> > > > like to ask

> > > > > > the group for your

> > > > > > > > > > > insight to

> > below

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > test

> > > > results and

> > > > > > ways to possible get these

> > > > > > > > > > > values in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > range.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > Total

> > > > cortisol:

> > > > > > l6.2 range: (21-41)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > How

> > > > reliable are

> > > > > > the salvia cortisol tests?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > My dhea

> > > > was also

> > > > > > tested in saliva and was

> > > > > > > > > > > found in

> > range.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > I have

> > > > also done an

> > > > > > acth stimulation test

> > > > > > > > > > > that has

> > shown

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > poor

> > > > cortisol rise

> > > > > > after injection.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > Should i

> > > > try cortef

> > > > > > and c how i do? can i

> > > > > > > > > > > wean of that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > further

> > > > down the

> > > > > > line?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > Symptoms

> > > > i cant

> > > > > > seem to get rid of are:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > Sleep

> > > > issues. I

> > > > > > cant remember dreams (if i

> > > > > > > > > > > have any)

> > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > trouble

> > > > falling to

> > > > > > sleep. Always feel like i

> > > > > > > > > > > hardly slept

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > upon

> > > > awakening.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > Food

> > > > allergies.

> > > > > > Became what i think is

> > > > > > > > > > > celiak when

> > all this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > started.

> > > > Never had

> > > > > > any allergies in my life

> > > > > > > > > > > b4 this. Now

> > i

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > have

> > > > atleast 10

> > > > > > foods i cant eat.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > Low

> > > > stamina and

> > > > > > energy.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > Low

> > > > sexdrive.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > With this

> > > > beeing

> > > > > > said. I can still ride my

> > > > > > > > > > > bike for 5

> > hours

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > and feel

> > > > okay. I

> > > > > > just dot get any endorfins

> > > > > > > > > > > from it and i

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > get no

> > > > feel good

> > > > > > kicks. Used to be a

> > > > > > > > > > > bikemessenger

> > so i know

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > how my

> > > > body usually

> > > > > > respond to exercise very

> > > > > > > > > > > well.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > Its not

> > > > like im

> > > > > > forced to be in bed im not

> > > > > > > > > > > THAT bad, i

> > just

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > feel my

> > > > health is

> > > > > > poor and deteriating. Ive

> > > > > > > > > > > also lost

> > weight

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > and im

> > > > skinny.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > Thanks

> > > > for any help

> > > > > > you can provide!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > >

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Hi B,

Your story dose sound to me like your Adrenals were stressed when you went

riding your bike. As you pushed your self your Cortisol levels would not keep

up with the demand your body needed. And you had what I feel was an Adrenal

Crisis. When this happens you feel like you did but most recover with in a few

days. You must be very low on Cortisol and need to test this doing a 4x's in a

day Saliva test.

I had this happen to me treating my Adrenals with Cortef at the time I was on

5mgs 4x's a day or every 4 hrs.

I keep a card on me saying this and I was out side about 2 yrs. ago in the

summer working in this yard. I was feeling fatigued and pushed my self to

finish what I was doing and got what I call an Adrenal Crisis. People like me

on Cortef HC stress dose when this happens taking an extra 5 mgs every 30 min's

up to 20 mgs if this dose not stop the shaky feelings and being sick to the

stomach we need to go into the ER. When I got there they gave me a big shot of

Medrol and this fixed my Problem.

My Dr. later told me this happened because I am not taking enough Cortef so we

went from 20 mgs a day to 25 mgs. later that summer it happened again.

So now I am on 30 mgs a day of cortef and we found out my Aldosterone and Renin

levels are very low so now I am on Florinef with Sea Salt added to my water I

dump my sodium do to my Adrnals not working right.

Now I can work out side and go to the gym and work out with out getting sick.

I was a mod helping Men with this problem and there Thyroid so if you need more

help with this I am here.

In this link is a FAQ's about this and where to get a Saliva test.

http://livingnetwork.co.za/hormones/adrenal-fatigue/

In this like it talks about keeping info on you so if you go into an Adrenal

Crisis they know what to do it can kill you.

http://www.cushings-help.com/911.htm

In this link it shows the stages of this problem.

http://www.chronicfatigue.org/ASI%201%20.html

In this link it's about your Adrenals and how they work and how you can end up

dumping your sodium.

Dam the web site is down I will try it later. But you can get some good Pink

Sea Salt and add a 1/2 tsp full to a glass of water first thing in the morning

and down it see if you don't feel better doing this. I do it 3x's a day.

http://tinyurl.com/yky2mpn

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: troubledfinuser <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: Saliva cortisol test results

>

> Date: Friday, March 5, 2010, 10:36 AM

> Now im beginning to c a better

> picture of my situation. Thanks to all the info so far.

>

> For me all my problems started when i was out riding my

> bike. I was poorly trained at this point and had not ridden

> for a couple of month.

> I like to push myself (or used to anyways).

>

> All of a sudden my right lower leg goes numb. Try to shake

> some sense to it but i cant. Its numb but not completely.

> For me i never experienced anything like this b4. I ride

> home. I get all shaky and cold. I get a prostate infection

> that is bad. It feels enlarged and i barly can sit on my

> touche. It gets worse, i get tingeling sensation all in my

> body especially hands and fingers. I get even more cold and

> more bodyparts feel like they are going numb. My stomach

> wont digest anything, it feels like im shuving food down a

> bucket that just fills up. I get sick i dont puke but i feel

> like i want to all the time.

>

> Im a guy with lots of vains on the outside of my body esp

> arms and lower legs. They all dissapear, i cant even c my

> vains anymore. And they usually pretrude a good half a cm or

> more if you pump. I cant make the visable. During a couple

> of weeks i feel like this with symptoms of no circulaltion

> at all no digestion, cant sleep, i shiver and i cant feel

> parts of my body. Blood in stool every time i go (wich

> wasent often maybe twice a week).

>

> After a few weeks i feel better but it takes a full 6 month

> to recover so i can function again. This was more than 3

> years ago. To this day i have not fully recovered from this

> event but i do feel alot better than back then. It was

> health hell! I still have allergies and many symptoms and

> general poor health from this event. But im so much better!

> Almost forgot how bad i was before writing this. Its amazing

> how good the body/mind is to move on!

>

> All that the medical checks revealed at this time was low

> body temp and an increased inflamatory marker. They just

> sent me home with aspirine. They said my vains were fine and

> that perhaps my lack of excersice recently was the cause for

> my vains to go into hiding.

> Funny cause nurses usually comment on my vains every time i

> draw blood. and at this point they had trouble finding them

> even with the band around my arm.

>

> With a bit more insight to my situation. Could this have

> been what is referred to as an addison crisis?

>

> What you think?

>

> Cheers

> B

>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > From:

> > > > > > > troubledfinuser

> <no_reply@grou

> > > p

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> > >

> > > Subject:

> > > > > > > Saliva

> cortisol test

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> results

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > To:

> > > > > @

> > > > > > > groups. com

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > Date:

> > > > > Friday,

> > > > > > > February 19, 2010, 6:02 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

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> > >

> > > Hello.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > >

> > > I would

> > > > > like to ask

> > > > > > > the group for your

> > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > below

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> > > > > > > (5-9)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > >

> > > > > afternoon:

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

>

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> > > night

> > > > > time:

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1.1ÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Â 'ÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÆ’\

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> > > > > range: (1-3)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > Total

> > > > > cortisol:

> > > > > > > l6.2 range: (21-41)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > How

> > > > > reliable are

> > > > > > > the salvia cortisol tests?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > My dhea

> > > > > was also

> > > > > > > tested in saliva and was

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> found in

> > > range.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > I have

> > > > > also done an

> > > > > > > acth stimulation test

> > > > > > > > > > > > that

> has

> > > shown

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > poor

> > > > > cortisol rise

> > > > > > > after injection.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > Should i

> > > > > try cortef

> > > > > > > and c how i do? can i

> > > > > > > > > > > > wean

> of that

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > further

> > > > > down the

> > > > > > > line?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > Symptoms

> > > > > i cant

> > > > > > > seem to get rid of are:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > Sleep

> > > > > issues. I

> > > > > > > cant remember dreams (if i

> > > > > > > > > > > > have

> any)

> > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > trouble

> > > > > falling to

> > > > > > > sleep. Always feel like i

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> hardly slept

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > upon

> > > > > awakening.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > Food

> > > > > allergies.

> > > > > > > Became what i think is

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> celiak when

> > > all this

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > started.

> > > > > Never had

> > > > > > > any allergies in my life

> > > > > > > > > > > > b4

> this. Now

> > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > have

> > > > > atleast 10

> > > > > > > foods i cant eat.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > Low

> > > > > stamina and

> > > > > > > energy.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > Low

> > > > > sexdrive.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > With this

> > > > > beeing

> > > > > > > said. I can still ride my

> > > > > > > > > > > > bike

> for 5

> > > hours

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > and feel

> > > > > okay. I

> > > > > > > just dot get any endorfins

> > > > > > > > > > > > from

> it and i

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > get no

> > > > > feel good

> > > > > > > kicks. Used to be a

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> bikemessenger

> > > so i know

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > how my

> > > > > body usually

> > > > > > > respond to exercise very

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> well.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > Its not

> > > > > like im

> > > > > > > forced to be in bed im not

> > > > > > > > > > > > THAT

> bad, i

> > > just

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > feel my

> > > > > health is

> > > > > > > poor and deteriating. Ive

> > > > > > > > > > > > also

> lost

> > > weight

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > and im

> > > > > skinny.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > > > for any help

> > > > > > > you can provide!

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