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It is hard to tell if his Pituitary is bad his Estradiol levels are high 42.6

and need to be at about 20 pg/ml.

The brain in men sees Estradiol as a high level of Testosterone and will slow

down the LH and FSH messages. If he goes on Arimidex .5 mgs every other day

this is a half a pill his levels will come down. One way to tell his by his

involuntary nocturnal erections that appear during REM (Rapid Eye Movement)

sleep. With levels of Estradiol this high I am betting he dose not have them.

When they come back this means his levels are at there best for him.

I would then redo the labs for Estradiol, Total and Free Testosterone with LH

and FSH is this is still low yes he has a Pituitary problem. Also check his

Prolactin levels.

His Ferritin is dam good.

Her is what I tell men that take Arimidex so they don't go to low going to low

is just as bad is being to high. If his Dr. will not give him arimidex show him

these links.

http://www.medibolics.com/ArimidexBoostsTestosterone.htm

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2008/nov2008_Dangers-of-Excess-Estrogen-in-the-Ag\

ing-Male_01.htm

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What I found is if you go to low taking arimidex, it's the length of time your

to low, if your too low say for 8 weeks it can take your body a longer time to

make more Estradiol. Bottom line is to know how not to go to low. Keep a log on

your dose and how you feel men going to low can't get it up taking Viagra. I

went to low when I first tried Arimidex and did not know about going to low or

how one feels to low, so I was low a good 8 weeks. I did not know I was low

until my next labs.

The best gage I have found to control your Estradiol levels is to gage your

night time and morning wood. At good levels or what I call the sweet spot you

get your night time and morning wood back so strong it will wake you up and you

can hang a coat on it.

Most men do good taking .25 mgs or 1/4 of a 1mg. pill, I use a pill cutter to

cut the small pill in half then I stand it on the cut end and use a single edge

razor to cut this in half. A good way to take arimidex is by how high your

levels are. I tested over 90 pg/ml so we tried doing .5 mgs every other day

after 8 weeks my next set of labs showed it did not move below 90, test said

>90. So we did .5 mgs. every day in about 2 weeks I got some strong night time

and morning wood back after not having them for many yrs.

I kept doing this dose and in 8 weeks my next set of labs said <20 back in the

day labs were like this they did not have to good labs we have today they could

not read lower the 20. My Dr. told me this looks to low to stop taking the

Arimidex. The one thing I noticed was my wood stopped and stopping the Arimidex

my wood came back in about 7 weeks my next test at 8 weeks was 24 pg/ml. So we

went back on the Arimidex but the Dr. told me to take .5 mgs every 3 days I was

on this dose not a week and lost wood. This is when I figured out going to low

you lose wood. And the longer your too low the longer it takes to get levels

back up.

I stopped the arimidex right away and got my wood back in 4 days. I then after

playing with the dose for a time found the best dose is .25mgs every 2 to 3

days.

So lets say your labs are less the 50 pg/ml if your take .5 mgs you can go down

so dam fast your miss the sweet spot of your wood and go to low. It's best with

lower levels 50 and under to do less Arimidex .25mgs every 2 days if later your

lose wood when it comes back go to every 3 days.

I have found estradiol is the hardest hormone to control, it goes up or down

from month to month some times I need .25mgs every 2 days other times I need

..25mgs everyday most of the time I do well on every 3 days.

So between wood and labs I do great and so do most of the men I have told this

to. I keep a log on how much I am taking and how I feel. Doing this and reading

back in my log I was able to tell when I was going to high or to low my Dr. lets

me dose my arimidex by how I feel.

Over the yrs. I have posted this story until I am blue in the face.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jrmoidel <jrmoidel@...>

> Subject: Re: Help With Test Results

>

> Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 6:11 PM

>

>

>

>

>

> Hi,

>

> I got the additional lab results back. I'd ordered fasting

> glucose and insulin. They didn't do them but at least I got

> a refund. :( Still waiting on Adrenal numbers.

>

> The current plan is to start:

> -exercising 30min each evening walking and stair climbing

> -cut down on junk food, aiming to start Atkins after New

> Years

> -start 1grn Natural Thyroid once know adrenals are okay

> or start adrenal support then address thyroid

> -track temps and bp to help with adrenal and thyroid

> dosing

> -consistently take multivitamin

>

> Here are the additional labs:

> Estradiol, Sensitive  41.9 (7.6 - 42.6 pg/mL) At Top

> of Range

> Ferritin, Serum     

> 137   (22-322 ng/mL) 

>    

> LH               

>      3.5 (1.7-8.6 mIU/mL)

> FSH               

>     3.2 (1.5-12.4 mIU/mL)

> Testosterone, Serum  174   (280-800

> ng/dL)   LOW

> Free Testosterone      5.5 (9.3-26.5

> pg/mL)  LOW

>

> Questions:

> 1. Am I correct that these results mean he is

> hypopituitary?

> 2. Would the high estradiol be explained by fat conversion

> of T to E2 as Randy and Retrogrouch mentioned?

> 3. Other than losing weight, what is the next step to get

> his hormones lined out?

> 4. Is that a good ferritin number for a guy?

>

> Thanks,

> Jennie

>

> > >

> > > >

> > > > His current symptoms are increased sleep

> apnea, lower back pain that is eased by sleeping on an

> incline, no energy, brain fog, depression, and lost libido.

>

> > > >

> > > > Alijah is 28. He is 6'3 " and weighs 350lbs.

> He is on NO

> > > > medication of any kind.

> > > >

> > > > Free Testosterone 5.7 (9.3-26.5 pg/mL) LOW

> > > >

> > > > Glucose   

> 108   (65-99 mg/dL) HIGH

> > > > Sodium 

>    141   (135-145 mmol/L)

> > > > Potassium    4.1 (3.5-5.2 mmol/L)

> > > > Iron, Serum 84   (40-155

> ug/dL)

> > > >

> > > > Cholesterol, Total

> 221   (100-199 mg/dL) HIGH

> > > > Triglycerides     

> 114   (0-149 mg/dL)

> > > > HDL Chol         

>   52   (>39 mg/dL)

> > > > LDL Chol       

>    146   (0-99 mg/dL) HIGH

> > > > T. Chol/HDL       

>   4.3 (0-5)

> > > >

> > > > TSH 2.49 (.45-4.5 uIU/mL)

> > > > T4  8.5  (4.5-1.2 ug/dL)

> > > > FT4 1.18 (.82-1.77 ng/dL)

> > > > FT3 3.7  (2-4.4 pg/mL)

>

>

>

>

>

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Hi Phil,

Will starting the Arimidex have any effect on how easily the weight will come

off? I know getting his thyroid levels normal will help his metabolism overall.

Also, will his sleep apnea interfere will dosing Arimidex by nocturnal erections

and morning erections. I'm asking because his sleep study said REM sleep was 12%

(decreased). He seems to spend most of his time in Stage 2 NREM sleep 74%

(increased).

Thanks for all the help,

Jennie

>If he goes on Arimidex .5 mgs every other day this is a half a pill his levels

will come down. One way to tell his by his involuntary nocturnal erections

that appear during REM (Rapid Eye Movement) sleep. With levels of Estradiol

this high I am betting he dose not have them. When they come back this means

his levels are at there best for him.

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I will hold up to 10 lbs of water letting my Estradiol levels go to high. So

yes he can lose weight and men with low rem sleep still get good wood sleeping.

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Phil

> From: jrmoidel <jrmoidel@...>

> Subject: Re: Help With Test Results

>

> Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 10:03 AM

> Hi Phil,

>

> Will starting the Arimidex have any effect on how easily

> the weight will come off? I know getting his thyroid levels

> normal will help his metabolism overall.

>

> Also, will his sleep apnea interfere will dosing Arimidex

> by nocturnal erections and morning erections. I'm asking

> because his sleep study said REM sleep was 12% (decreased).

> He seems to spend most of his time in Stage 2 NREM sleep 74%

> (increased).

>

> Thanks for all the help,

> Jennie

>

>

> >If he goes on Arimidex .5 mgs every other day this is a

> half a pill his levels will come down.  One way to tell

> his by his  involuntary nocturnal erections that appear

> during REM (Rapid Eye Movement) sleep.  With levels of

> Estradiol this high I am betting he dose not have

> them.  When they come back this means his levels are at

> there best for him.

>

>

>

>

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> > >If he goes on Arimidex .5 mgs every other day this is a

> > half a pill his levels will come down.  One way to tell

> > his by his  involuntary nocturnal erections that appear

> > during REM (Rapid Eye Movement) sleep.  With levels of

> > Estradiol this high I am betting he dose not have

> > them.  When they come back this means his levels are at

> > there best for him.

> >

> >

> >

> >

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