Guest guest Posted December 10, 2009 Report Share Posted December 10, 2009 It is hard to tell if his Pituitary is bad his Estradiol levels are high 42.6 and need to be at about 20 pg/ml. The brain in men sees Estradiol as a high level of Testosterone and will slow down the LH and FSH messages. If he goes on Arimidex .5 mgs every other day this is a half a pill his levels will come down. One way to tell his by his involuntary nocturnal erections that appear during REM (Rapid Eye Movement) sleep. With levels of Estradiol this high I am betting he dose not have them. When they come back this means his levels are at there best for him. I would then redo the labs for Estradiol, Total and Free Testosterone with LH and FSH is this is still low yes he has a Pituitary problem. Also check his Prolactin levels. His Ferritin is dam good. Her is what I tell men that take Arimidex so they don't go to low going to low is just as bad is being to high. If his Dr. will not give him arimidex show him these links. http://www.medibolics.com/ArimidexBoostsTestosterone.htm http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/89/3/1174 http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2008/nov2008_Dangers-of-Excess-Estrogen-in-the-Ag\ ing-Male_01.htm ================================= What I found is if you go to low taking arimidex, it's the length of time your to low, if your too low say for 8 weeks it can take your body a longer time to make more Estradiol. Bottom line is to know how not to go to low. Keep a log on your dose and how you feel men going to low can't get it up taking Viagra. I went to low when I first tried Arimidex and did not know about going to low or how one feels to low, so I was low a good 8 weeks. I did not know I was low until my next labs. The best gage I have found to control your Estradiol levels is to gage your night time and morning wood. At good levels or what I call the sweet spot you get your night time and morning wood back so strong it will wake you up and you can hang a coat on it. Most men do good taking .25 mgs or 1/4 of a 1mg. pill, I use a pill cutter to cut the small pill in half then I stand it on the cut end and use a single edge razor to cut this in half. A good way to take arimidex is by how high your levels are. I tested over 90 pg/ml so we tried doing .5 mgs every other day after 8 weeks my next set of labs showed it did not move below 90, test said >90. So we did .5 mgs. every day in about 2 weeks I got some strong night time and morning wood back after not having them for many yrs. I kept doing this dose and in 8 weeks my next set of labs said <20 back in the day labs were like this they did not have to good labs we have today they could not read lower the 20. My Dr. told me this looks to low to stop taking the Arimidex. The one thing I noticed was my wood stopped and stopping the Arimidex my wood came back in about 7 weeks my next test at 8 weeks was 24 pg/ml. So we went back on the Arimidex but the Dr. told me to take .5 mgs every 3 days I was on this dose not a week and lost wood. This is when I figured out going to low you lose wood. And the longer your too low the longer it takes to get levels back up. I stopped the arimidex right away and got my wood back in 4 days. I then after playing with the dose for a time found the best dose is .25mgs every 2 to 3 days. So lets say your labs are less the 50 pg/ml if your take .5 mgs you can go down so dam fast your miss the sweet spot of your wood and go to low. It's best with lower levels 50 and under to do less Arimidex .25mgs every 2 days if later your lose wood when it comes back go to every 3 days. I have found estradiol is the hardest hormone to control, it goes up or down from month to month some times I need .25mgs every 2 days other times I need ..25mgs everyday most of the time I do well on every 3 days. So between wood and labs I do great and so do most of the men I have told this to. I keep a log on how much I am taking and how I feel. Doing this and reading back in my log I was able to tell when I was going to high or to low my Dr. lets me dose my arimidex by how I feel. Over the yrs. I have posted this story until I am blue in the face. Co-Moderator Phil > From: jrmoidel <jrmoidel@...> > Subject: Re: Help With Test Results > > Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 6:11 PM > > > > > > Hi, > > I got the additional lab results back. I'd ordered fasting > glucose and insulin. They didn't do them but at least I got > a refund. Still waiting on Adrenal numbers. > > The current plan is to start: > -exercising 30min each evening walking and stair climbing > -cut down on junk food, aiming to start Atkins after New > Years > -start 1grn Natural Thyroid once know adrenals are okay > or start adrenal support then address thyroid > -track temps and bp to help with adrenal and thyroid > dosing > -consistently take multivitamin > > Here are the additional labs: > Estradiol, Sensitive 41.9 (7.6 - 42.6 pg/mL) At Top > of Range > Ferritin, Serum > 137 (22-322 ng/mL) > > LH > 3.5 (1.7-8.6 mIU/mL) > FSH > 3.2 (1.5-12.4 mIU/mL) > Testosterone, Serum 174 (280-800 > ng/dL) LOW > Free Testosterone 5.5 (9.3-26.5 > pg/mL) LOW > > Questions: > 1. Am I correct that these results mean he is > hypopituitary? > 2. Would the high estradiol be explained by fat conversion > of T to E2 as Randy and Retrogrouch mentioned? > 3. Other than losing weight, what is the next step to get > his hormones lined out? > 4. Is that a good ferritin number for a guy? > > Thanks, > Jennie > > > > > > > > > > > > His current symptoms are increased sleep > apnea, lower back pain that is eased by sleeping on an > incline, no energy, brain fog, depression, and lost libido. > > > > > > > > > Alijah is 28. He is 6'3 " and weighs 350lbs. > He is on NO > > > > medication of any kind. > > > > > > > > Free Testosterone 5.7 (9.3-26.5 pg/mL) LOW > > > > > > > > Glucose > 108 (65-99 mg/dL) HIGH > > > > Sodium > 141 (135-145 mmol/L) > > > > Potassium 4.1 (3.5-5.2 mmol/L) > > > > Iron, Serum 84 (40-155 > ug/dL) > > > > > > > > Cholesterol, Total > 221 (100-199 mg/dL) HIGH > > > > Triglycerides > 114 (0-149 mg/dL) > > > > HDL Chol > 52 (>39 mg/dL) > > > > LDL Chol > 146 (0-99 mg/dL) HIGH > > > > T. Chol/HDL > 4.3 (0-5) > > > > > > > > TSH 2.49 (.45-4.5 uIU/mL) > > > > T4 8.5 (4.5-1.2 ug/dL) > > > > FT4 1.18 (.82-1.77 ng/dL) > > > > FT3 3.7 (2-4.4 pg/mL) > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Hi Phil, Will starting the Arimidex have any effect on how easily the weight will come off? I know getting his thyroid levels normal will help his metabolism overall. Also, will his sleep apnea interfere will dosing Arimidex by nocturnal erections and morning erections. I'm asking because his sleep study said REM sleep was 12% (decreased). He seems to spend most of his time in Stage 2 NREM sleep 74% (increased). Thanks for all the help, Jennie >If he goes on Arimidex .5 mgs every other day this is a half a pill his levels will come down. One way to tell his by his involuntary nocturnal erections that appear during REM (Rapid Eye Movement) sleep. With levels of Estradiol this high I am betting he dose not have them. When they come back this means his levels are at there best for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 I will hold up to 10 lbs of water letting my Estradiol levels go to high. So yes he can lose weight and men with low rem sleep still get good wood sleeping. Co-Moderator Phil > From: jrmoidel <jrmoidel@...> > Subject: Re: Help With Test Results > > Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 10:03 AM > Hi Phil, > > Will starting the Arimidex have any effect on how easily > the weight will come off? I know getting his thyroid levels > normal will help his metabolism overall. > > Also, will his sleep apnea interfere will dosing Arimidex > by nocturnal erections and morning erections. I'm asking > because his sleep study said REM sleep was 12% (decreased). > He seems to spend most of his time in Stage 2 NREM sleep 74% > (increased). > > Thanks for all the help, > Jennie > > > >If he goes on Arimidex .5 mgs every other day this is a > half a pill his levels will come down. One way to tell > his by his involuntary nocturnal erections that appear > during REM (Rapid Eye Movement) sleep. With levels of > Estradiol this high I am betting he dose not have > them. When they come back this means his levels are at > there best for him. > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 thanks > > >If he goes on Arimidex .5 mgs every other day this is a > > half a pill his levels will come down. One way to tell > > his by his involuntary nocturnal erections that appear > > during REM (Rapid Eye Movement) sleep. With levels of > > Estradiol this high I am betting he dose not have > > them. When they come back this means his levels are at > > there best for him. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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