Re: One last stupid question,........

[Guest guest]

Marc if " My question is this, and I will present a hypothetical outcome for this

question.

Lets say my T stays low, and my Estrogen levels are normal,.....PLUS my brain

MRI doesn't show anything?

To me it says it's still my pituitary, and I am secondary. What do I ask him

about if that is the case?

Is this when I would try HCG, or is it Clomid which I also have heard about? "

And Your LH and FSH levels are still on the low end yes your Pituitary is not

working right and it could be from an old head injury that could have down this

as over time it's not keeping up.

You could try HCG Only doing 100 IU's / day see if this brings your levels up

and you feel better. If not then go to Gels or shots if gels do 250 IU's every

3 days on shots do 250 IU's the 2 days each before your next T shot that would

start at 100 mgs / week.

Do get an ACTH Stim. test to be sure your Adrenals are getting the message to

make Corisoil. And test Thyroid.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: One last stupid question,........

>

> Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 1:29 PM

> I am seeing my doc this evening

> finally, and will be getting the results of my cardiac

> tests, as well as my MRI of the head. I don't go until 6:20

> PM!

>

> I have the two codes written down,.....#4021, and #14966.

> He will also be going over my LH,FSH,Prolactin results as

> well this time.

>

> Remember I was in the low 1/3 for LH (3.7,Range 1.5 to 9.3)

> with a total T of 209.

> I expect for him to say good,.....everything is normal

> because the results are in range.

>

> As Phil said, and I agree,....my LH should have been high

> trying to tell my testes to make more T. Granted I know I

> need my E2 levels to rule that out, and will be having that

> done ASAP after I get the order.

>

> My question is this, and I will present a hypothetical

> outcome for this question.

> Lets say my T stays low, and my Estrogen levels are

> normal,.....PLUS my brain MRI doesn't show anything?

>

> To me it says it's still my pituitary, and I am secondary.

> What do I ask him about if that is the case?

> Is this when I would try HCG, or is it Clomid which I also

> have heard about?

>

> In a nutshell, I am going to find out this evening if my

> doc is willing to follow the right path, or not. If he isn't

> I will find another that will, or I will fly out to see

> Crisler.

> I am sick of this at this point. The remainder of my week

> is going to be a killer physically, and I have got to get

> this corrected soon. I just can't keep plodding along

> feeling like I am about to drop over.

>

> As usual I appreciate the helpful advice.

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Phil,....I know I am still getting ahead of myself, but I don't want to waste

several more months if my doc won't cooperate. I hope he will, but I am sure you

realize why I am asking.

I have only been tested once in my life for AM Cortisol and it was via blood

work. This is the result stripped out of my file I keep of all bloodwork.

Cortisol Test AM

2005 – 21.0 / High marker was 22.0 mcg/dl

My thyroid tests have always been normal, but I have never had the extensive

tests some of you guys have done. The last had a rise for sure, but still under

2.

TSH Tests

1.18 / 1.04 / 1.15 / 1.04 / 1.69

T4 Free Test

December 2009 – 1.3

Those TSH readings are in ascending order from 2004 to the last in December of

2009.

I was rear-ended 2 times when I was younger, and my chiropractor says he can see

2 whiplash injuries to my neck. I have also taken some hard licks to my head as

well. The worst was diving off a horse I was trying to break at full gallop

where my head bounced off the ground very hard. I saw stars and came close to

blacking out. That was many years ago though. I also boxed in an amateur league

for a few years,......once again way back in my younger days.

I appreciate all of the suggestions and help.

[Guest guest]

Other tests that can indicate a pitutary issue are

Test the Free T3 and Free T4 with TSH if all are low....

Get an ACTH Stim. test as Phil said but make sure they test the ACTH before the

test begins...you will find they are usually not willing to do this even when

you ask.

And you can have a GH stim. test this can be dicey too as they are not always

administered correctly and can therefore give false readings

good luck,

Judy

[Guest guest]

More and more men are coming home from the war with pituitary problems due to

road side bombs. Football pros are ending up with Pituitary Problems and Boxers

so it's out there now Dr. know more about it today then they did 28 yrs ago when

I got hurt. The best way to tell on Adrenals is a 4x's in a day Saliva test you

need to have high in range levels in the morning going down by bedtime. You

don't need a Dr. to buy this test and the best short test for Thyroid is Free T4

and Free T3 with TSH.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: Re: One last stupid question,........

>

> Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 3:34 PM

>

>

> Phil,....I know I am still getting ahead of myself, but I

> don't want to waste several more months if my doc won't

> cooperate. I hope he will, but I am sure you realize why I

> am asking.

>

> I have only been tested once in my life for AM Cortisol and

> it was via blood work. This is the result stripped out of my

> file I keep of all bloodwork.

>

> Cortisol Test AM

> 2005 – 21.0 / High marker was 22.0 mcg/dl

>

> My thyroid tests have always been normal, but I have never

> had the extensive tests some of you guys have done. The last

> had a rise for sure, but still under 2.

>

> TSH Tests

> 1.18 / 1.04 / 1.15 / 1.04 / 1.69

> T4 Free Test

> December 2009 – 1.3

>

> Those TSH readings are in ascending order from 2004 to the

> last in December of 2009.

> I was rear-ended 2 times when I was younger, and my

> chiropractor says he can see 2 whiplash injuries to my neck.

> I have also taken some hard licks to my head as well. The

> worst was diving off a horse I was trying to break at full

> gallop where my head bounced off the ground very hard. I saw

> stars and came close to blacking out. That was many years

> ago though. I also boxed in an amateur league for a few

> years,......once again way back in my younger days.

>

> I appreciate all of the suggestions and help.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Judy here is a link to the ACTH stim. test.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACTH_stimulation_test

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: zashes11 <jharvey@...>

> Subject: Re: One last stupid question,........

>

> Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 3:37 PM

> Other tests that can indicate a

> pitutary issue are

>

> Test the Free T3 and Free T4 with TSH if all are low....

>

> Get an ACTH Stim. test as Phil said but make sure they test

> the ACTH before the test begins...you will find they are

> usually not willing to do this even when you ask.

>

> And you can have a GH stim. test this can be dicey too as

> they are not always administered correctly and can therefore

> give false readings

>

> good luck,

>

> Judy

>

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I second that. I am currently rehabbing my brain from multiple concussions I

sustained while playing rugby in college and after I did a salivary test and

hormone profile, I found out that I was severely deficient in everything -

especially cortisol, testosterone and growth hormone.

As a side note, some docs even speculate that the dementia boxers and

football players get later on in life resulting from the head injuries is a

result of the hormone deficiencies the head injuries caused. They are also

discovering that even a single minor concussion can lead to neurological

complications later on in life. So, it is is very, very important for you

to get your hormones back in check before more damage is done to your

brain.

On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 1:45 PM, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

>

>

> More and more men are coming home from the war with pituitary problems due

> to road side bombs. Football pros are ending up with Pituitary Problems and

> Boxers so it's out there now Dr. know more about it today then they did 28

> yrs ago when I got hurt. The best way to tell on Adrenals is a 4x's in a day

> Saliva test you need to have high in range levels in the morning going down

> by bedtime. You don't need a Dr. to buy this test and the best short test

> for Thyroid is Free T4 and Free T3 with TSH.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

>

> > From: marc200134470 <cfs38@... <cfs38%40msn.com>>

> > Subject: Re: One last stupid question,........

> > < %40>

> > Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 3:34 PM

> >

> >

> > Phil,....I know I am still getting ahead of myself, but I

> > don't want to waste several more months if my doc won't

> > cooperate. I hope he will, but I am sure you realize why I

> > am asking.

> >

> > I have only been tested once in my life for AM Cortisol and

> > it was via blood work. This is the result stripped out of my

> > file I keep of all bloodwork.

> >

> > Cortisol Test AM

> > 2005 – 21.0 / High marker was 22.0 mcg/dl

> >

> > My thyroid tests have always been normal, but I have never

> > had the extensive tests some of you guys have done. The last

> > had a rise for sure, but still under 2.

> >

> > TSH Tests

> > 1.18 / 1.04 / 1.15 / 1.04 / 1.69

> > T4 Free Test

> > December 2009 – 1.3

> >

> > Those TSH readings are in ascending order from 2004 to the

> > last in December of 2009.

> > I was rear-ended 2 times when I was younger, and my

> > chiropractor says he can see 2 whiplash injuries to my neck.

> > I have also taken some hard licks to my head as well. The

> > worst was diving off a horse I was trying to break at full

> > gallop where my head bounced off the ground very hard. I saw

> > stars and came close to blacking out. That was many years

> > ago though. I also boxed in an amateur league for a few

> > years,......once again way back in my younger days.

> >

> > I appreciate all of the suggestions and help.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thanks once again.

My T4 Free was not low 6 months ago, but I have nothing else to go on.

I have never had a T3 Free done as you can tell.

I also played football from the 'peewee' leagues up to my senior year in

HS,......forgot about that one. I think my only injury was a hyper-extended knee

though.

Also took a spill off a dirt bike with no helmet and clocked myself,......again

years ago. Now that you folks have made me think about it, I guess my brain has

been shocked many times.

I will try and keep it simple with my doc. One step at a time, but I want to ask

him if he is open to all of this stuff.

He will love to see me that late today with a list of questions to ask. LOL

Time to hit the shower, and get ready for my appointment.

>

> > From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> > Subject: Re: One last stupid question,........

> >

> > Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 3:34 PM

> >

> >

> > Phil,....I know I am still getting ahead of myself, but I

> > don't want to waste several more months if my doc won't

> > cooperate. I hope he will, but I am sure you realize why I

> > am asking.

> >

> > I have only been tested once in my life for AM Cortisol and

> > it was via blood work. This is the result stripped out of my

> > file I keep of all bloodwork.

> >

> > Cortisol Test AM

> > 2005 †" 21.0 / High marker was 22.0 mcg/dl

> >

> > My thyroid tests have always been normal, but I have never

> > had the extensive tests some of you guys have done. The last

> > had a rise for sure, but still under 2.

> >

> > TSH Tests

> > 1.18 / 1.04 / 1.15 / 1.04 / 1.69

> > T4 Free Test

> > December 2009 †" 1.3

> >

> > Those TSH readings are in ascending order from 2004 to the

> > last in December of 2009.

> > I was rear-ended 2 times when I was younger, and my

> > chiropractor says he can see 2 whiplash injuries to my neck.

> > I have also taken some hard licks to my head as well. The

> > worst was diving off a horse I was trying to break at full

> > gallop where my head bounced off the ground very hard. I saw

> > stars and came close to blacking out. That was many years

> > ago though. I also boxed in an amateur league for a few

> > years,......once again way back in my younger days.

> >

> > I appreciate all of the suggestions and help.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Good luck I pray he can fix you.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> Subject: Re: One last stupid question,........

>

> Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 4:19 PM

>

>

> Thanks once again.

> My T4 Free was not low 6 months ago, but I have nothing

> else to go on.

> I have never had a T3 Free done as you can tell.

>

> I also played football from the 'peewee' leagues up to my

> senior year in HS,......forgot about that one. I think my

> only injury was a hyper-extended knee though.

> Also took a spill off a dirt bike with no helmet and

> clocked myself,......again years ago. Now that you folks

> have made me think about it, I guess my brain has been

> shocked many times.

>

> I will try and keep it simple with my doc. One step at a

> time, but I want to ask him if he is open to all of this

> stuff.

> He will love to see me that late today with a list of

> questions to ask. LOL

>

> Time to hit the shower, and get ready for my appointment.

>

>

> >

> > > From: marc200134470 <cfs38@...>

> > > Subject: Re: One last stupid

> question,........

> > >

> > > Date: Tuesday, June 1, 2010, 3:34 PM

> > >

> > >

> > > Phil,....I know I am still getting ahead of

> myself, but I

> > > don't want to waste several more months if my doc

> won't

> > > cooperate. I hope he will, but I am sure you

> realize why I

> > > am asking.

> > >

> > > I have only been tested once in my life for AM

> Cortisol and

> > > it was via blood work. This is the result

> stripped out of my

> > > file I keep of all bloodwork.

> > >

> > > Cortisol Test AM

> > > 2005 †" 21.0 / High marker was 22.0 mcg/dl

> > >

> > > My thyroid tests have always been normal, but I

> have never

> > > had the extensive tests some of you guys have

> done. The last

> > > had a rise for sure, but still under 2.

> > >

> > > TSH Tests

> > > 1.18 / 1.04 / 1.15 / 1.04 / 1.69

> > > T4 Free Test

> > > December 2009 †" 1.3

> > >

> > > Those TSH readings are in ascending order from

> 2004 to the

> > > last in December of 2009.

> > > I was rear-ended 2 times when I was younger, and

> my

> > > chiropractor says he can see 2 whiplash injuries

> to my neck.

> > > I have also taken some hard licks to my head as

> well. The

> > > worst was diving off a horse I was trying to

> break at full

> > > gallop where my head bounced off the ground very

> hard. I saw

> > > stars and came close to blacking out. That was

> many years

> > > ago though. I also boxed in an amateur league for

> a few

> > > years,......once again way back in my younger

> days.

> > >

> > > I appreciate all of the suggestions and help.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >