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As Dr. Mercola says, exercise is superior to taking pills and certainly

beats taking shots. I am sure that there are additional advantages to,

say, racket sports to all of them. I do both, but if I had to give up

one of them, it would be the secretagogue, not the tennis. Sometimes

the numbers don't tell the real story and I know that I feel a lot

better in many ways after a hard tennis game.

>Natural HGH release in response to exercise will be roughly what you

can normally accomplish at your biological age. This allows one to

gradually deteriorate at a rate that is appropriate for that age group,

following nature's plan of planned obsolescence.

HGH induced by a secretagogue or shots repeatedly raise one's HGH at a

higher value, to about 22 years of age, producing a net building or

restoring outcome that is difficult or impossible to approach with

exercise alone. It works even when you don't exercise and you can do it

perhaps 3 times daily in addition to the workout. The net result is

restoration in addition to maintenance; restoration results in being

more youthful.

all good,

Duncan<

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Exercise is better than taking pills for the lymph movement alone. I get

exercise and I also use anti-aging supplements even though some are in pills,

because turning back the clock and also maintaining fitness interests me. I'm in

better shape at 56 than nearly all my son's 20-something friends, probably

because I'm careful to eat a little better and I also triggered my HGH to be

closer to their levels rather than a 56 year old's :) ...I think it was money

well spent. I've anti-aged my wife as well; now 49, her age is guessed at 32-34.

I didn't use HGH shots, I used SomaLife gHP for a few years, an amino acid stack

that triggers a flood of natural HGH.

all good,

Duncan

>

> As Dr. Mercola says, exercise is superior to taking pills and certainly

> beats taking shots.

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Hi Duncan:

I first read your posts on SomaLife... I don't know... ten yrs ago?

After I ordered some from you, I bought all of the ingredients

separately and made my own. I know I may have missed some things, but

it has always seemed to work for me except that I took way too much

Acetyl Carnitine and had to cut back on it after I got heart

palpitations. I am good now and nearly 69. I could not be in better

heath overall, but I want to have my mercury fillings removed before I

can say that I am in perfect health. They may have contributed to my

classic migraine attacks. One thing for sure, my tennis game continues

to improve and there are no joint problems, ever. That I could not have

claimed at any point in my life from age 24 till about ten years ago.

So things are good.

My wife, who is 13 yrs younger than I, has never really embraced

wellness, even though she takes some of my supplements and she smokes

and drinks too much, plus she cant come near keeping up with me.

Also Good,

Jim

On 11/15/2010 1:53 PM, Duncan Crow wrote:

>

> Exercise is better than taking pills for the lymph movement alone. I

> get exercise and I also use anti-aging supplements even though some

> are in pills, because turning back the clock and also maintaining

> fitness interests me. I'm in better shape at 56 than nearly all my

> son's 20-something friends, probably because I'm careful to eat a

> little better and I also triggered my HGH to be closer to their levels

> rather than a 56 year old's :) ...I think it was money well spent.

> I've anti-aged my wife as well; now 49, her age is guessed at 32-34.

>

> I didn't use HGH shots, I used SomaLife gHP for a few years, an amino

> acid stack that triggers a flood of natural HGH.

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

>

>

> >

> > As Dr. Mercola says, exercise is superior to taking pills and certainly

> > beats taking shots.

>

>

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Hi Jim, I'm glad some of the anti-aging I suggested worked so well for you. I

love to hear about people thriving into what normally would be considered to be

their declining years. Look people, 69 and in near-perfect health -- OMG, right!

OK so you probably won't die of any of the top ten preventable illnesses before

you're 100, so what's it gonna be, and when? I'm as curious about that as you

are ...aiming for 115 :) ...all that advanced glycation and oxidative stress I

may not be able to avoid for much longer than that. And karaoke nights and beer

:)

Acetyl-carnitine is not in the SomaLife formula and I've never had clients on it

so I can't comment about a reaction or OD, sorry. Life Extension likes it

though; were you on a high dose?

all good,

Duncan

>

> Hi Duncan:

>

> I first read your posts on SomaLife... I don't know... ten yrs ago?

> After I ordered some from you, I bought all of the ingredients

> separately and made my own. I know I may have missed some things, but

> it has always seemed to work for me except that I took way too much

> Acetyl Carnitine and had to cut back on it after I got heart

> palpitations. I am good now and nearly 69. I could not be in better

> heath overall, but I want to have my mercury fillings removed before I

> can say that I am in perfect health. They may have contributed to my

> classic migraine attacks. One thing for sure, my tennis game continues

> to improve and there are no joint problems, ever. That I could not have

> claimed at any point in my life from age 24 till about ten years ago.

> So things are good.

>

> My wife, who is 13 yrs younger than I, has never really embraced

> wellness, even though she takes some of my supplements and she smokes

> and drinks too much, plus she cant come near keeping up with me.

>

> Also Good,

> Jim

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Hi Duncan:

Not that high I thought... 500mg... but when I cut it down to about

25% of that, they stopped immediately. At this point, I can't remember

which supplements I got from the SomaLife label (obviously) and which I

got from places like Life Extension.

My goal is to stay well till I get tired of this place... and I never

get bored, so it could be awhile. I just have way too many outlets to

ever come close to boredom. My belief is that we can easily make it to

130 without too much effort. I think that it would be great to become

and 5.0 tennis player and beat kids 1/3 my age at 110. That would get

people's attention.

Our society does not pay much attention to the older people in it and

basically write them off after age 60. I really have gotten through a

whole of health problems like really bad knee joints, back problems,

arthritis and sciatica that slowed me down in my thirties. None of

these ever affect me now.

My short term memory has sucked since my first amalgam filling and it

is still a problem, but no worse than it was when I was six. Before

getting fillings my memory was just great... and my long term memory is

exception, I can't say still exceptional since I only had about five

years to cover at that age, but I can recall things today that occurred

to me at age one. I can actually recall riding a kiddy cart (bicycle

without pedals) on my Grand parent's porch. They moved from that farm

when I was three and I still can tell you all about it from the

perspective of a three year old. Things were really huge then!

Cheers,

Jim

On 11/15/2010 10:23 PM, Duncan Crow wrote:

>

> Hi Jim, I'm glad some of the anti-aging I suggested worked so well for

> you. I love to hear about people thriving into what normally would be

> considered to be their declining years. Look people, 69 and in

> near-perfect health -- OMG, right!

>

> OK so you probably won't die of any of the top ten preventable

> illnesses before you're 100, so what's it gonna be, and when? I'm as

> curious about that as you are ...aiming for 115 :) ...all that

> advanced glycation and oxidative stress I may not be able to avoid for

> much longer than that. And karaoke nights and beer :)

>

> Acetyl-carnitine is not in the SomaLife formula and I've never had

> clients on it so I can't comment about a reaction or OD, sorry. Life

> Extension likes it though; were you on a high dose?

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

>

>

> >

> > Hi Duncan:

> >

> > I first read your posts on SomaLife... I don't know... ten yrs ago?

> > After I ordered some from you, I bought all of the ingredients

> > separately and made my own. I know I may have missed some things, but

> > it has always seemed to work for me except that I took way too much

> > Acetyl Carnitine and had to cut back on it after I got heart

> > palpitations. I am good now and nearly 69. I could not be in better

> > heath overall, but I want to have my mercury fillings removed before I

> > can say that I am in perfect health. They may have contributed to my

> > classic migraine attacks. One thing for sure, my tennis game continues

> > to improve and there are no joint problems, ever. That I could not have

> > claimed at any point in my life from age 24 till about ten years ago.

> > So things are good.

> >

> > My wife, who is 13 yrs younger than I, has never really embraced

> > wellness, even though she takes some of my supplements and she smokes

> > and drinks too much, plus she cant come near keeping up with me.

> >

> > Also Good,

> > Jim

>

>

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, HGH therapy results in less cancer. None of Dr. Chein and Dr. Terry's 800

test subjects developed cancer, and one patient saw his prostate cancer go away.

The control group however was affected by normal cancer rates, which we think is

what, one in four? With that, one might wonder who would wish to be in the

non-HGH control group next time the HGH therapy opportunity comes around.

So, obviously, HGH internally is a very good thing indeed. However, HGH taken

orally or sublingually is well known to do nothing. I think that's what buddy

meant to say, and he just worded it funny.

Injectable HGH therapy has been shown to reduce cancer risk to almost negligible

in addition providing a legendary assist to one's recovery and vitality. More

people should be taking HGH therapy IMO.

Many doctors however continue to avoid giving GMO HGH by injection to their

patients, preferring instead to maintain the patient's own HGH release at the

level of a young adult. Oral secretagogues are the way to do it; even the most

potent oral sprays would have to be injected four ounces at a time to get a

dose.

, according to this data, your family members would probably have benefited

from HGH therapy. Everyone else does.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Here is a post from another group on HGH.  Take note that he said it

should not be taken internally.  This is just for info, i have  no interest in

hormones as  family members that have passed on died  from cancer.

>  

>

>  

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When I was doing what I could to lose weight and NOTHING worked, my doctor

suggested HGH injections. He informed me that it is a way for the body to

reset the metabolism. He said that sometimes when people yo yo diet like I

had in the past... they need something like this to jump start the body back

to where it should be. He was not promoting it just because he had nothing

better to promote, but because all avenues we had tried were not working.

~Penny

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I question the wisdom of any of the isolated elements such as hormones.

It would seem to me that this is a way to throw our bodies out of balance

attempting a quick fix rather than working with nutrition and whole food

supplements to bring our bodies into balance. There may be a situation in

which HGH would be desirable, but to take it just because someone is selling

it does not strike me as one of them.

Deepak Chopra, the mind body genius, talks about it a lot on one of his

tapes. He does not think taking it is safe or advisable. If our body

pharmacy makes it, that's a different story....keeping our bodies balanced

and functioning optimally is the way to create it naturally.

Carol

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Many people miss the point that doctors bring a low HGH condition (low human

growth hormone) back INTO balance from way too low by using HGH injections.

Carol is in good company in that regard.

Here's where it's most wise to meet that problem head on: an anti-aging doctor

attempts to restore the balanced youth markers of young adulthood from the

starting point of naturally falling and unbalanced youth markers and probable

(also unbalanced) nutritional deficiencies of the elderly.

15 years ago people took a screaming high HGH shot about once a week. The method

has been improved to be more biologically correct, and people take a much lower

dose daily now so side effects of HGH shots never crop up. What's more,

secretagogues never induce the release of excess HGH because of this natural

mechanism for balance.

HGH therapy brings several hormones back into balance for a young adult, so it's

not really an isolated approach at all; it is a catalyst if you will for a much

broader actionthat includes improving the immune system, organ size and

function, physical fitness, healing, energy and recovery, sleep patterns,

libido, and a whole range of other positive and measurable effects that you

can't accomplish any other way.

When one is deficient in several vitamins or minerals one improves the diet and

supplements in order to prevent the falling levels and restore balance, just

like bringing up HGH release to youthful values. Anti-aging is not rocket

science and it's easy to accomplish; in fact it's only about 2 baby steps away

from detoxing and nutritional considerations we are doing today.

Dr. Rudman's research paper says, " Diminished secretion of growth hormone is

responsible in part for the decrease of lean body mass, the expansion of

adipose-tissue mass, and the thinning of the skin that occur in old age. "

From research by Ezzat S et al, " GH replacement therapy in adults with GHD

demonstrated beneficial effects on lean body mass composition that was more

pronounced in males than females. In contrast, cardiac function improvement

appears to benefit both genders equally. "

" We therefore suggest the use of low-dose GH therapy, maintaining IGF-I between

the median and upper end of the age-related reference range, for the treatment

of age related GH deficiency. " Clin Endocrinol (Oxf). 2001 Jun;54(6):709-17.

PMID: 11422104

By way of example on HGH level, research has revealed that no centenarians exist

with " normal " glutathione levels; all were in the upper quartile for glutathione

level. Similarly, in the HGH and aging papers, the most vigorous elders are

always in the upper quartile for HGH release.

Here, Dr. Holt explains, in his latest American Academy of Anti-Aging

presentation in February 2011, the importance of nutrition, and of nutrition, he

recognises whole supplements are preferred but sometimes not possible.

http://www.spiderphone.com/RealCast/8823289173/Flashcast.html

Like the professional says, so what if your whole foods don't provide the last

few things that would get you out of a metabolic funk? Go ahead and supplement!

Selenium for example is usually deficient in food grown in North America. I

could go on of course because every whole food has its deficiencies, even the

" superfoods " , and I've gone over that point for Carol, using her own whole food

and other algae as the example.

The fact is, deficiencies exist. But rather than saying, " end of story " , we can

correct the deficiencies. An unreasonable fear of isolated supplements shouldn't

be the reason to scuttle a health program. By using them one will find health

avenues to be open to them that would not be otherwise available, including the

anti-aging approach.

Regardless of the entire post above, most anti-agers don't use HGH injections

anyway, preferring secretagogues that promote a balanced HGH release from one's

own pituitary gland. This release, within natural balance and control, also is

often a point missed or glossed over by detractors of " hormone therapy " . Natural

maintenance of balanced, youthful HGH release is the objective.

all good,

Duncan

>

> I question the wisdom of any of the isolated elements such as hormones.

> It would seem to me that this is a way to throw our bodies out of balance

attempting a quick fix rather than working with nutrition and whole food

supplements to bring our bodies into balance. There may be a situation in which

HGH would be desirable, but to take it just because someone is selling it does

not strike me as one of them.

>

> Deepak Chopra, the mind body genius, talks about it a lot on one of his tapes.

He does not think taking it is safe or advisable. If our body pharmacy makes

it, that's a different story....keeping our bodies balanced and functioning

optimally is the way to create it naturally.

>

> Carol

>

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I have also yet to find a single instance of negative reports

associated with HGH. Fear is unwarranted.

Taffy, instead of high dose HGH shots, following the more recent approach of

taking low doses once or twice daily is more like natural pulsatile release.

Optionally, secretagogues release the HGH in that natural pulsatile manner

within the body's control.

all good,

Duncan

>

> ... Now, even though I would like to consider taking HGH from

> time to time, I am very wary of having a repeat experience.

>

> Taffy

>

>

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For all the wholeness and completeness of Carol's preferred algae product, the

fact remains that the nutritional profile on the product website she provided

shows that the recommended four capsule dosage contains almost negligible

amounts of basic nutrients. People with critical thinking skills aren't going to

overlook that.

Sure, whole foods are great; the bulk of my diet is fresh whole foods. But, it

would be really foolish to think that eating a scant one or two grams of any of

those whole foods is going to magically confer super health benefits. So what if

Carol's algae contains 20 amino acids; four capsules still only contain less

than one gram of protein, which is a tiny fraction of any human's daily needs. A

balanced diet containing a variety of natural whole foods will provide vastly

more basic nutrients than four capsules of algae. It could be that there are

other, unusual, health-promoting substances in algae beyond just basic

nutrients, but promoting it on the virtue of its basic nutrients, when the

recommended dosage contains very little of them, is ridiculous.

> >

> > Wow Duncan, you just don't give up do you. I know you don't understand the

concept of whole food supplements, so let's just stop.

> >

> > Carol

> >

>

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It's a WHOLE FOOD!! I'm sorry I can't convey that to get people to understand

that. It can't be compared to isolated/synthetic pills. Whole Food - Fake

Vitamin Pills - different.

Carol

>

> For all the wholeness and completeness of Carol's preferred algae product, the

fact remains that the nutritional profile on the product website she provided

shows that the recommended four capsule dosage contains almost negligible

amounts of basic nutrients. People with critical thinking skills aren't going to

overlook that.

>

> Sure, whole foods are great; the bulk of my diet is fresh whole foods. But, it

would be really foolish to think that eating a scant one or two grams of any of

those whole foods is going to magically confer super health benefits. So what if

Carol's algae contains 20 amino acids; four capsules still only contain less

than one gram of protein, which is a tiny fraction of any human's daily needs. A

balanced diet containing a variety of natural whole foods will provide vastly

more basic nutrients than four capsules of algae. It could be that there are

other, unusual, health-promoting substances in algae beyond just basic

nutrients, but promoting it on the virtue of its basic nutrients, when the

recommended dosage contains very little of them, is ridiculous.

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Carol, it's common knowledge that algae doesn't contain albumin, an animal

protein that is the primary source of bonded cysteine. No whole food and no

concentrated food except egg white and undenatured whey contains enough bonded

cysteine to increase glutathione.

It's common knowledge also that leucine, valine, and isoleucine are branched

chain " animal " amino acids that if they exist, are in very low amounts in algae.

The deficiency of branched chain amino acids in vegetables is a primary reason

vegans fail in their diets.

This analysis, using similar algae:

<http://qspace.qu.edu.qa/bitstream/handle/10576/9607/0793132-0008-fulltext.pdf?s\

equence=4>

....points out (page 220) the amounts of some nutrients including branched-chain

amino acids are too small meet dietary requirements in humans, and that other

eresearch found " a great lack " of amino acids in algae, enough that algae are

" not suggested as animal foods " because the total amount of free amino acids are

" very low compared to higher plants " .

Here's a quote from the study, which shows the work on many algae and quotes

similar studies:

" ...cysteine, leucine, isoleucine, tyrosine, phenylalanine, lysine, histidine

and arginine are completely absenmt or exist in low proportions " . (Tsekos, 1975)

The research, after 35 years part of the body of common knowledge, highlights

the inadequacy of algae to provide a balanced diet. I think it's also common

knowledge also that algae was dropped for this very reason after being

investigated by the US military as a possible whole food replacement.

So I do know of which I speak Carol, and if you did as well you would offer some

data that supports your claim that one would not need to supplement if they eat

blue green algae. This claim is only your own so far and the company's own

documentation reveals several nutritional deficiencies.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Well, apparently this " common knowledge " is incorrect, because Aphanizomenon

flos aquae organic blue green algae contains all twenty amino acids - ten

essential and ten non-essential, and this is unique among all food plants.

>

> Please stop, because you obviously know not of what you speak.

>

> Carol

>

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> > For all the wholeness and completeness of Carol's preferred algae product,

the fact remains that the nutritional profile on the product website she

provided shows that the recommended four capsule dosage contains almost

negligible amounts of basic nutrients. People with critical thinking skills

aren't going to overlook that.

> >

> > Sure, whole foods are great; the bulk of my diet is fresh whole foods. But,

it would be really foolish to think that eating a scant one or two grams of any

of those whole foods is going to magically confer super health benefits. So what

if Carol's algae contains 20 amino acids; four capsules still only contain less

than one gram of protein, which is a tiny fraction of any human's daily needs. A

balanced diet containing a variety of natural whole foods will provide vastly

more basic nutrients than four capsules of algae. It could be that there are

other, unusual, health-promoting substances in algae beyond just basic

nutrients, but promoting it on the virtue of its basic nutrients, when the

recommended dosage contains very little of them, is ridiculous.

>

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Carol your primary claim that algae requires no further supplementation was a

false statement. NOW it's common knowledge because you know it too.

The point that the food is wholesome and whole food was amply made without the

marketing sizzle, which was quickly exposed as fraudulent. When used as a

platform the lie alienated people, myself included.

all good,

Duncan

>

> It's a WHOLE FOOD!! I'm sorry I can't convey that to get people to understand

that. It can't be compared to isolated/synthetic pills. Whole Food - Fake

Vitamin Pills - different.

>

> Carol

>

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