Re: My appointment with Dr. Crisler

[Guest guest]

Then you will be dismissed from the practice. We have our policies, they will be

followed. Read my previous response as to why--it provides for better medical

care. i will not compromise my standards.

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> always get a copy AFTER the appt and I have definitely seen things in

> my labs that I wanted to question but it was too late, I would have to

> schedule another $60 phone appt!

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> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 01:37:39 +0000

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> I'm pretty sure that they MUST let you see your lab results. It is a part of

YOUR medical records and by law (HIPAA, I think) you have a right to them.

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> Of course, he could then turn around and refuse to discuss them with you for

being such a " demanding " patient. That's his right too.

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[Guest guest]

If your experience was bad it is because you apparently expect me to explain

what all the " okay " assays are. Try that anywhere else in medicine. Your

expectations are, simply, ridiculous. I am not here to teach you all about TRT.

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> > > My first visit cost $495. He doesn't take insurance. When I

> > > was in his office he talked very little. He asked why I

> > > was there and I told him he was recommeded by Phil and I

> > > was looking for a Dr. that would analyze all my hormones

> > > and balance them. He looked at the 2 years worth of labs I

> > > brought in and entered them into his computer

> > > while I sat there with very little conversation. He gave me

> > > a physical and told me to wait for the blood tests and the

> > > Rhein 24hr urine hormonal tests before he would say anything. I had to

> > > pay $225 for a Rheim 24hr urine hormonal test because it

> > > wasn't covered by insurance. Dr. Crisler also give me a

> > > form for blood work labs that I took in my city. He wouldn't

> > > let me see the lab results before he talked to me. In order

> > > to discuss my lab results with him, which I had not seen so

> > > couldn't form any intelligent questions about them, I had

> > > to pay him $60 for a phone consultation. He read my labs

> > > for the first time silently in the phone consultation which

> > > lasted a total of 10 min. Not knowing what the labs showed

> > > I asked him how were my adrenals, he said fine. I asked

> > > him how was my thyroid hormones, he said fine. I asked him

> > > how was my E2, he said fine. He said I should start HCG

> > > 250Iu 2x a week. My testicles have not shrunk from TRT and I don't relish

the thought of injecting HCG 2x aweek for life so f..k that. He also said he

wanted to measure another hormone and would send a

> > > script to the labs that I use. When they finally emailed me

> > > my blood lab and Rhein results to me after a few days, which they

> > > charged me $5 for, I noticed that the blood labs did not

> > > include T, Bioavailable T and E2...how did he know my E2

> > > was ok? The Rhein 24hr hormone test showed total E2

> > > excreted in 24hrs but not the level. So I emailed him to

> > > also send a script for these lab tests. I got no response.

> > > I called his office and asked the secretary why my email

> > > wasn't answered and she said to do the hormone lab tests

> > > first, pay $60 to discuss the hormone results with the DR

> > > and ask him at that time for the other tests. When I

> > > ordered some compounded T gel from his office they charged

> > > me $35 shipping and handling. Life Extension Pharmacy and

> > > University compounding pharmacy both charge $6 shipping and

> > > handling! He may be the Dr. " king " of hormones but you

> > > can't talk to him or ask him any questions via phone or

> > > email without paying him $60 even though you paid $495 for

> > > an initial minimal talk visit. I hope the other Doctors recomended

> > > by this site are more patient friendly!

> > >

> >

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[Guest guest]

I have been suffering since 1991 (almost 18 years) and have seen many doctors

and spend fortune to get proper treatment, everyone just keep giving me

antidepressant and other no-nonsense drugs.

My first appointment with Dr. C.J was about three months ago, and within these

three month I feel much better, pretty much in state of my health I ever

experienced, I am so blessed that I find this forum and with the help of this

forum I came to know of Dr.Crisler.

I honestly think you are in great need of help. Your posting first made me angry

but I think how you feel is pretty much translate into your symptoms. Please

feel free to contact me if I'll be any help to you.

Thanks.

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From: mqsymth <alphadennis@...>

Sent: Thu, November 5, 2009 5:48:18 PM

Subject: My appointment with Dr. Crisler

 

My first visit cost $495. He doesn't take insurance. When I

was in his office he talked very little. He asked why I

was there and I told him he was recommeded by Phil and I

was looking for a Dr. that would analyze all my hormones

and balance them. He looked at the 2 years worth of labs I

brought in and entered them into his computer

while I sat there with very little conversation. He gave me

a physical and told me to wait for the blood tests and the

Rhein 24hr urine hormonal tests before he would say anything. I had to

pay $225 for a Rheim 24hr urine hormonal test because it

wasn't covered by insurance. Dr. Crisler also give me a

form for blood work labs that I took in my city. He wouldn't

let me see the lab results before he talked to me. In order

to discuss my lab results with him, which I had not seen so

couldn't form any intelligent questions about them, I had

to pay him $60 for a phone consultation. He read my labs

for the first time silently in the phone consultation which

lasted a total of 10 min. Not knowing what the labs showed

I asked him how were my adrenals, he said fine. I asked

him how was my thyroid hormones, he said fine. I asked him

how was my E2, he said fine. He said I should start HCG

250Iu 2x a week. My testicles have not shrunk from TRT and I don't relish the

thought of injecting HCG 2x aweek for life so f..k that. He also said he wanted

to measure another hormone and would send a

script to the labs that I use. When they finally emailed me

my blood lab and Rhein results to me after a few days, which they

charged me $5 for, I noticed that the blood labs did not

include T, Bioavailable T and E2...how did he know my E2

was ok? The Rhein 24hr hormone test showed total E2

excreted in 24hrs but not the level. So I emailed him to

also send a script for these lab tests. I got no response.

I called his office and asked the secretary why my email

wasn't answered and she said to do the hormone lab tests

first, pay $60 to discuss the hormone results with the DR

and ask him at that time for the other tests. When I

ordered some compounded T gel from his office they charged

me $35 shipping and handling. Life Extension Pharmacy and

University compounding pharmacy both charge $6 shipping and

handling! He may be the Dr. " king " of hormones but you

can't talk to him or ask him any questions via phone or

email without paying him $60 even though you paid $495 for

an initial minimal talk visit. I hope the other Doctors recomended

by this site are more patient friendly!

[Guest guest]

Your critical comments have no basis in reality. " However brifly " is impossible

while tryijng to describe/discuss laboratory analysis of perhaps a hundred

perfectly normal lab results. The office visit is to solve medical problems and

treat the patient, is it not? That means lab results that are " fine " need to

take a back seat to those we need to explore.

And if you think being an hour behind is a scheduling problem on our part, you

have no concept of the reality of the situation.

If you don't like what I charge, go elsewhere. If you aren't my patient, what

concern is it of yours? Maybe I should triple it, as many of my students have.

THAT will help more guys! And perhaps not have provided over 100,000 posts, FOR

FREE, teaching about my field of medicine, to help all. You, sir, are an

ingrate.

BTW, any doctor who has all day to talk about normal laboratory tests has that

time because they have nothing else to do. That should be a hint to you. LOL

Just to try to square you with an iota of reality: there is not one single

doctor on earth who could or would satisfy your demands. And I don't think you

would remain a patient of mine for long, anyways, as my guys are ALL gentlemen.

I do not have a single patient I do not personally like. Sure, guys feel lousy

(whihc is why they came to me in the first place), but they act like adults. As

I said, you wouldn't be around for long, acting as you obviously do. So, try

thsat with every other doctor you interface with. And report back to us on how

far you get with that. LOL

Bottome line: if you think the medical care I provide is somehow substandard,

then you have no idea what you are talking about. The boards always have a few

guys like you on them, unfortunately.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My first visit cost $495.  He doesn't take

> > > > insurance. When I

> > > > > > was in his office  he talked very

> > > > little.  He asked why I

> > > > > > was there and I told him he was  recommeded

> > > > by Phil and I

> > > > > > was looking for a Dr. that would analyze all

> > > > my  hormones

> > > > > > and balance them. He looked at the 2 years worth

> > > > of labs I

> > > > > > brought in and entered them into his computer

> > > > > > while I sat there with very little 

> > > > conversation. He gave me

> > > > > > a physical and told me to wait for the blood

> > > > tests and  the

> > > > > > Rhein 24hr urine hormonal tests before he would

> > > > say anything. I had to

> > > > > > pay $225 for a  Rheim 24hr urine hormonal

> > > > test because it

> > > > > > wasn't covered by insurance.  Dr. 

> > > > Crisler also give me a

> > > > > > form for blood work labs that I took in my

> > > > city.  He wouldn't

> > > > > > let me see the lab results before he talked to

> > > > me.  In order

> > > > > > to discuss my lab  results with him, which I

> > > > had not seen so

> > > > > > couldn't form any intelligent questions about

> > > > them, I had

> > > > > > to pay him $60 for a phone consultation. He read

> > > > my  labs

> > > > > > for the first time silently in the phone

> > > > consultation which

> > > > > > lasted a total of 10 min.  Not knowing what

> > > > the labs showed

> > > > > > I asked him how were my adrenals,  he said

> > > > fine.  I asked

> > > > > > him how was my thyroid hormones, he said

> > > > fine.  I asked  him

> > > > > > how was my E2, he said fine.  He said I

> > > > should start HCG

> > > > > > 250Iu 2x a week.  My testicles have not

> > > > shrunk from TRT and I don't relish the thought of injecting

> > > > HCG 2x aweek for life so f..k that. He also said he wanted

> > > > to measure another hormone and would  send a

> > > > > > script to the labs that I use.  When they

> > > > finally emailed me

> > > > > > my blood lab and  Rhein results to me after

> > > > a few days, which they

> > > > > > charged me $5 for, I noticed  that the blood

> > > > labs did not

> > > > > > include T, Bioavailable T and E2...how did he

> > > > know  my E2

> > > > > > was ok?  The Rhein 24hr hormone test showed

> > > > total E2

> > > > > > excreted in 24hrs but not the level.  So I

> > > > emailed him to

> > > > > > also send a script for these lab tests. I 

> > > > got no response.

> > > > > > I called his office and asked the secretary why

> > > > my email

> > > > > > wasn't answered and she said to do the hormone

> > > > lab tests

> > > > > > first, pay $60 to  discuss the hormone

> > > > results with the DR

> > > > > > and ask him at that time for the other 

> > > > tests.  When I

> > > > > > ordered some compounded T gel from his

> > > > office  they charged

> > > > > > me  $35 shipping and handling. Life

> > > > Extension Pharmacy and

> > > > > > University compounding  pharmacy both charge

> > > > $6 shipping and

> > > > > > handling!  He may be the Dr. " king " of 

> > > > hormones but you

> > > > > > can't talk to him or ask him any questions via

> > > > phone or

> > > > > > email  without paying him $60 even though

> > > > you paid $495 for

> > > > > > an initial minimal talk visit.  I hope the

> > > > other Doctors recomended

> > > > > > by this site are more patient friendly!

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

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[Guest guest]

Or, a professional who knows what they are doing. LOL

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My first visit cost $495.  He doesn't take

> > > > insurance. When I

> > > > > > was in his office  he talked very

> > > > little.  He asked why I

> > > > > > was there and I told him he was  recommeded

> > > > by Phil and I

> > > > > > was looking for a Dr. that would analyze all

> > > > my  hormones

> > > > > > and balance them. He looked at the 2 years worth

> > > > of labs I

> > > > > > brought in and entered them into his computer

> > > > > > while I sat there with very little 

> > > > conversation. He gave me

> > > > > > a physical and told me to wait for the blood

> > > > tests and  the

> > > > > > Rhein 24hr urine hormonal tests before he would

> > > > say anything. I had to

> > > > > > pay $225 for a  Rheim 24hr urine hormonal

> > > > test because it

> > > > > > wasn't covered by insurance.  Dr. 

> > > > Crisler also give me a

> > > > > > form for blood work labs that I took in my

> > > > city.  He wouldn't

> > > > > > let me see the lab results before he talked to

> > > > me.  In order

> > > > > > to discuss my lab  results with him, which I

> > > > had not seen so

> > > > > > couldn't form any intelligent questions about

> > > > them, I had

> > > > > > to pay him $60 for a phone consultation. He read

> > > > my  labs

> > > > > > for the first time silently in the phone

> > > > consultation which

> > > > > > lasted a total of 10 min.  Not knowing what

> > > > the labs showed

> > > > > > I asked him how were my adrenals,  he said

> > > > fine.  I asked

> > > > > > him how was my thyroid hormones, he said

> > > > fine.  I asked  him

> > > > > > how was my E2, he said fine.  He said I

> > > > should start HCG

> > > > > > 250Iu 2x a week.  My testicles have not

> > > > shrunk from TRT and I don't relish the thought of injecting

> > > > HCG 2x aweek for life so f..k that. He also said he wanted

> > > > to measure another hormone and would  send a

> > > > > > script to the labs that I use.  When they

> > > > finally emailed me

> > > > > > my blood lab and  Rhein results to me after

> > > > a few days, which they

> > > > > > charged me $5 for, I noticed  that the blood

> > > > labs did not

> > > > > > include T, Bioavailable T and E2...how did he

> > > > know  my E2

> > > > > > was ok?  The Rhein 24hr hormone test showed

> > > > total E2

> > > > > > excreted in 24hrs but not the level.  So I

> > > > emailed him to

> > > > > > also send a script for these lab tests. I 

> > > > got no response.

> > > > > > I called his office and asked the secretary why

> > > > my email

> > > > > > wasn't answered and she said to do the hormone

> > > > lab tests

> > > > > > first, pay $60 to  discuss the hormone

> > > > results with the DR

> > > > > > and ask him at that time for the other 

> > > > tests.  When I

> > > > > > ordered some compounded T gel from his

> > > > office  they charged

> > > > > > me  $35 shipping and handling. Life

> > > > Extension Pharmacy and

> > > > > > University compounding  pharmacy both charge

> > > > $6 shipping and

> > > > > > handling!  He may be the Dr. " king " of 

> > > > hormones but you

> > > > > > can't talk to him or ask him any questions via

> > > > phone or

> > > > > > email  without paying him $60 even though

> > > > you paid $495 for

> > > > > > an initial minimal talk visit.  I hope the

> > > > other Doctors recomended

> > > > > > by this site are more patient friendly!

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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> > > >

[Guest guest]

I would hasten to add that many other doctors are far too " aggressive " in their

treatment of thyroid and adrenal. They do not allow for the natural systems and

rythms of the body to take hold and exert their various and sundary influences.

The goal of treatment is a cure, not a lifetime on too many drugs. Overdosing

does no thelp in that endeavor.

My guys tend to do well on lower doses than those prescribed by other doctors.

There are reasons for that. You must learn to trust the body; afterall, it got

us here through eons of time. Illness is imposed upon an almost perfect system.

We need to remove that imposition to restore health and happiness.

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> > > From: Marc Michaud <MisterX225@>

> > > Subject: Re: Re: My appointment with Dr. Crisler

> > >

> > > Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 10:52 PM

> > >

> > > I was considering seeing him. Is it 495 per visit.

> > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

> > >

> > > Re: My appointment with Dr.

> > > Crisler

> > >

> > > So far this conversation has been quite negative.  I

> > > say, your loss, not

> > > his.  Most of Dr Crisler's patients are very pleased

> > > and can't say

> > > enough nice things about him and of his level of

> > > care.  Perhaps he is

> > > the wrong doctor for you.

> > >

> > > It is very common that I doctor reviews lab results with

> > > you before you

> > > are allowed a copy.

> > >

> > > The fee charged by the doctor is clearly $495 as documented

> > > here:

> > > http://www.allthingsmale.com/consultations.html

> > >

> > > Best of luck finding someone better.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

It's not just " legal " , Jim, it's about providing better medical care.

There are definite reasons why I do everything that I do. It's harder, but it's

better for my guys.

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> > > > From: Marc Michaud <MisterX225@>

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> > > > Subject: Re: Re: My appointment

>

> > with Dr. Crisler

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> > > >

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> > > > Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 8:37 PM

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> > > > What's the harm of a copy?

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> > > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

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> > > >

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> > > > Re: My appointment with

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> > Dr.

>

> > > > Crisler

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> > > > I'm pretty sure that they MUST let you see your

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> > lab

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> > > > results. It is a part of YOUR medical records and

>

> > by law

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> > > > (HIPAA, I think) you have a right to them.

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> > > > Of course, he could then turn around and refuse

>

> > to discuss

>

> > > > them with you for being such a " demanding "

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> > patient.

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> > > > That's his right too.

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[Guest guest]

Dr. thank you for taking the time out of your day to come here and clear

the air and you did teach us a lot through out all of this.

Dr. has a great forum at.

http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?s= & daysprune= & f=2

And if one were to go there and read you would learn a huge amout about Hormones

and treatment.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: <drjohn@...>

> Subject: Re: My appointment with Dr. Crisler

>

> Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 9:45 AM

> It's not just " legal " , Jim, it's

> about providing better medical care.

>

> There are definite reasons why I do everything that I do.

> It's harder, but it's better for my guys.

>

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> >

> > > >

> >

> > > > > From: Marc Michaud <MisterX225@>

> >

> > > > > Subject: Re: Re: My

> appointment

> >

> > > with Dr. Crisler

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 8:37

> PM

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > What's the harm of a copy? 

> >

> > > > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Re: My

> appointment with

> >

> > > Dr.

> >

> > > > > Crisler

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > I'm pretty sure that they MUST let you

> see your

> >

> > > lab

> >

> > > > > results. It is a part of YOUR medical

> records and

> >

> > > by law

> >

> > > > > (HIPAA, I think) you have a right to

> them.

> >

> > > > > Of course, he could then turn around

> and refuse

> >

> > > to discuss

> >

> > > > > them with you for being such a

> " demanding "

> >

> > > patient.

> >

> > > > > That's his right too.

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

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> been

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[Guest guest]

Dr. Crisler,

How clever of you to throw in a few " laugh out louds " LOL.

Does that make you feel superior?

You seem like an arrogant " ass " to me.

You also show no financial " empathy " for the way you charged

full retail to a patient who no insurance.

You take no professional responsibility for your own oversite

of your office scheduling.

Because you were running an hour behind, you use this as

a legitimate reason and defense for having this patient leave

your office feeling that you did not take time to answer his

questions throughly, and to HIS satisfaction, not your time limit.

You show your childish arrogance to myself, and apparently others,

who disagree with you, by calling us " ingrates " .

Repeat, it is YOU who is an arrogant, no empathic, ASS.

I am very grateful that I do not have the same questionable,

and negative, attitude towards my doctor as this patient of your has.

Grow up, stop calling names, learn to schedule your patients better.

norton

[Guest guest]

Here's another goody:

>BTW, any doctor who has all day to talk about normal laboratory tests >has that

time because they have nothing else to do. That should be a >hint to you. LOL

~14 posts in one day?

[Guest guest]

I suppose you would like being smeared by an individual demanding what no

physician can provide, for all your good work and sacrifice? Some of you gents

have a very strange view of reality.

Actually, this is exactly why I pretty much stick to my own forum. All the best

to you.

>

>

> Here's another goody:

>

> >BTW, any doctor who has all day to talk about normal laboratory tests >has

that time because they have nothing else to do. That should be a >hint to you.

LOL

>

> ~14 posts in one day?

>

[Guest guest]

Norton--There is no purpose in arguing with individuals such as yourself. It's a

shame the boards always have a few individuals like you on them. You have no

concept of reality.

If you can find a doctor who has donated more of him/herself to our cause than

I, please bring it to all our attention. Not that this would make a whit of

difference to people like you. LOL

I have already received numerous emails from other gents here who " get it " . This

is a really good forum, and it does A LOT of good out there.

>

> Dr. Crisler,

> How clever of you to throw in a few " laugh out louds " LOL.

> Does that make you feel superior?

> You seem like an arrogant " ass " to me.

> You also show no financial " empathy " for the way you charged

> full retail to a patient who no insurance.

> You take no professional responsibility for your own oversite

> of your office scheduling.

> Because you were running an hour behind, you use this as

> a legitimate reason and defense for having this patient leave

> your office feeling that you did not take time to answer his

> questions throughly, and to HIS satisfaction, not your time limit.

> You show your childish arrogance to myself, and apparently others,

> who disagree with you, by calling us " ingrates " .

> Repeat, it is YOU who is an arrogant, no empathic, ASS.

>

> I am very grateful that I do not have the same questionable,

> and negative, attitude towards my doctor as this patient of your has.

> Grow up, stop calling names, learn to schedule your patients better.

> norton

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks be to you, old friend.

Phil enjoys the title " Prince of the Forum " on mine. I cannot think of a lay

person who has done more to promote men's health on the forums than he is.

> > >

> > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > From: Marc Michaud <MisterX225@>

> > >

> > > > > > Subject: Re: Re: My

> > appointment

> > >

> > > > with Dr. Crisler

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 8:37

> > PM

> > >

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > > > > What's the harm of a copy? 

> > >

> > > > > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

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> > > > > > Re: My

> > appointment with

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> > > > Dr.

> > >

> > > > > > Crisler

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> > > > > > I'm pretty sure that they MUST let you

> > see your

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> > > > lab

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> > > > > > results. It is a part of YOUR medical

> > records and

> > >

> > > > by law

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> > > > > > (HIPAA, I think) you have a right to

> > them.

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> > > > > > Of course, he could then turn around

> > and refuse

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> > > > to discuss

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> > > > > > them with you for being such a

> > " demanding "

> > >

> > > > patient.

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> > > > > > That's his right too.

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[Guest guest]

On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:50:15 -0000, you wrote:

>There is no purpose in arguing with individuals such as yourself.

Bingo, and yet . . . .