Re: My appointment with Dr. Crisler

[Guest guest]

Is this Dr Jon?

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My appointment with Dr. Crisler

My first visit cost $495. He doesn't take insurance. When I

was in his office he talked very little. He asked why I

was there and I told him he was recommeded by Phil and I

was looking for a Dr. that would analyze all my hormones

and balance them. He looked at the 2 years worth of labs I

brought in and entered them into his computer

while I sat there with very little conversation. He gave me

a physical and told me to wait for the blood tests and the

Rhein 24hr urine hormonal tests before he would say anything. I had to

pay $225 for a Rheim 24hr urine hormonal test because it

wasn't covered by insurance. Dr. Crisler also give me a

form for blood work labs that I took in my city. He wouldn't

let me see the lab results before he talked to me. In order

to discuss my lab results with him, which I had not seen so

couldn't form any intelligent questions about them, I had

to pay him $60 for a phone consultation. He read my labs

for the first time silently in the phone consultation which

lasted a total of 10 min. Not knowing what the labs showed

I asked him how were my adrenals, he said fine. I asked

him how was my thyroid hormones, he said fine. I asked him

how was my E2, he said fine. He said I should start HCG

250Iu 2x a week. My testicles have not shrunk from TRT and I don't relish the

thought of injecting HCG 2x aweek for life so f..k that. He also said he wanted

to measure another hormone and would send a

script to the labs that I use. When they finally emailed me

my blood lab and Rhein results to me after a few days, which they

charged me $5 for, I noticed that the blood labs did not

include T, Bioavailable T and E2...how did he know my E2

was ok? The Rhein 24hr hormone test showed total E2

excreted in 24hrs but not the level. So I emailed him to

also send a script for these lab tests. I got no response.

I called his office and asked the secretary why my email

wasn't answered and she said to do the hormone lab tests

first, pay $60 to discuss the hormone results with the DR

and ask him at that time for the other tests. When I

ordered some compounded T gel from his office they charged

me $35 shipping and handling. Life Extension Pharmacy and

University compounding pharmacy both charge $6 shipping and

handling! He may be the Dr. " king " of hormones but you

can't talk to him or ask him any questions via phone or

email without paying him $60 even though you paid $495 for

an initial minimal talk visit. I hope the other Doctors recomended

by this site are more patient friendly!

[Guest guest]

Yes, I am not too happy about their policy of not letting me see my labs UNTIL I

talk to him. I would like to have them in hand to see if there is anything I

have a question about.

Initial visit went up to $495? I think it was around $300 in 2007.

Jim

From: MisterX225@...

Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 22:56:18 +0000

Subject: Re: My appointment with Dr. Crisler

Is this Dr Jon?

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My appointment with Dr. Crisler

My first visit cost $495. He doesn't take insurance. When I

was in his office he talked very little. He asked why I

was there and I told him he was recommeded by Phil and I

was looking for a Dr. that would analyze all my hormones

and balance them. He looked at the 2 years worth of labs I

brought in and entered them into his computer

while I sat there with very little conversation. He gave me

a physical and told me to wait for the blood tests and the

Rhein 24hr urine hormonal tests before he would say anything. I had to

pay $225 for a Rheim 24hr urine hormonal test because it

wasn't covered by insurance. Dr. Crisler also give me a

form for blood work labs that I took in my city. He wouldn't

let me see the lab results before he talked to me. In order

to discuss my lab results with him, which I had not seen so

couldn't form any intelligent questions about them, I had

to pay him $60 for a phone consultation. He read my labs

for the first time silently in the phone consultation which

lasted a total of 10 min. Not knowing what the labs showed

I asked him how were my adrenals, he said fine. I asked

him how was my thyroid hormones, he said fine. I asked him

how was my E2, he said fine. He said I should start HCG

250Iu 2x a week. My testicles have not shrunk from TRT and I don't relish the

thought of injecting HCG 2x aweek for life so f..k that. He also said he wanted

to measure another hormone and would send a

script to the labs that I use. When they finally emailed me

my blood lab and Rhein results to me after a few days, which they

charged me $5 for, I noticed that the blood labs did not

include T, Bioavailable T and E2...how did he know my E2

was ok? The Rhein 24hr hormone test showed total E2

excreted in 24hrs but not the level. So I emailed him to

also send a script for these lab tests. I got no response.

I called his office and asked the secretary why my email

wasn't answered and she said to do the hormone lab tests

first, pay $60 to discuss the hormone results with the DR

and ask him at that time for the other tests. When I

ordered some compounded T gel from his office they charged

me $35 shipping and handling. Life Extension Pharmacy and

University compounding pharmacy both charge $6 shipping and

handling! He may be the Dr. " king " of hormones but you

can't talk to him or ask him any questions via phone or

email without paying him $60 even though you paid $495 for

an initial minimal talk visit. I hope the other Doctors recomended

by this site are more patient friendly!

[Guest guest]

That is messed up. You should be able to see your labs, its your blood.

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My appointment with Dr. Crisler

My first visit cost $495. He doesn't take insurance. When I

was in his office he talked very little. He asked why I

was there and I told him he was recommeded by Phil and I

was looking for a Dr. that would analyze all my hormones

and balance them. He looked at the 2 years worth of labs I

brought in and entered them into his computer

while I sat there with very little conversation. He gave me

a physical and told me to wait for the blood tests and the

Rhein 24hr urine hormonal tests before he would say anything. I had to

pay $225 for a Rheim 24hr urine hormonal test because it

wasn't covered by insurance. Dr. Crisler also give me a

form for blood work labs that I took in my city. He wouldn't

let me see the lab results before he talked to me. In order

to discuss my lab results with him, which I had not seen so

couldn't form any intelligent questions about them, I had

to pay him $60 for a phone consultation. He read my labs

for the first time silently in the phone consultation which

lasted a total of 10 min. Not knowing what the labs showed

I asked him how were my adrenals, he said fine. I asked

him how was my thyroid hormones, he said fine. I asked him

how was my E2, he said fine. He said I should start HCG

250Iu 2x a week. My testicles have not shrunk from TRT and I don't relish the

thought of injecting HCG 2x aweek for life so f..k that. He also said he wanted

to measure another hormone and would send a

script to the labs that I use. When they finally emailed me

my blood lab and Rhein results to me after a few days, which they

charged me $5 for, I noticed that the blood labs did not

include T, Bioavailable T and E2...how did he know my E2

was ok? The Rhein 24hr hormone test showed total E2

excreted in 24hrs but not the level. So I emailed him to

also send a script for these lab tests. I got no response.

I called his office and asked the secretary why my email

wasn't answered and she said to do the hormone lab tests

first, pay $60 to discuss the hormone results with the DR

and ask him at that time for the other tests. When I

ordered some compounded T gel from his office they charged

me $35 shipping and handling. Life Extension Pharmacy and

University compounding pharmacy both charge $6 shipping and

handling! He may be the Dr. " king " of hormones but you

can't talk to him or ask him any questions via phone or

email without paying him $60 even though you paid $495 for

an initial minimal talk visit. I hope the other Doctors recomended

by this site are more patient friendly!

[Guest guest]

I'm pretty sure that they MUST let you see your lab results. It is a part of

YOUR medical records and by law (HIPAA, I think) you have a right to them.

Of course, he could then turn around and refuse to discuss them with you for

being such a " demanding " patient. That's his right too.

[Guest guest]

What's the harm of a copy?

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Re: My appointment with Dr. Crisler

I'm pretty sure that they MUST let you see your lab results. It is a part of

YOUR medical records and by law (HIPAA, I think) you have a right to them.

Of course, he could then turn around and refuse to discuss them with you for

being such a " demanding " patient. That's his right too.

[Guest guest]

So far this conversation has been quite negative. I say, your loss, not

his. Most of Dr Crisler's patients are very pleased and can't say

enough nice things about him and of his level of care. Perhaps he is

the wrong doctor for you.

It is very common that I doctor reviews lab results with you before you

are allowed a copy.

The fee charged by the doctor is clearly $495 as documented here:

http://www.allthingsmale.com/consultations.html

Best of luck finding someone better.

[Guest guest]

I was considering seeing him. Is it 495 per visit.

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Re: My appointment with Dr. Crisler

So far this conversation has been quite negative. I say, your loss, not

his. Most of Dr Crisler's patients are very pleased and can't say

enough nice things about him and of his level of care. Perhaps he is

the wrong doctor for you.

It is very common that I doctor reviews lab results with you before you

are allowed a copy.

The fee charged by the doctor is clearly $495 as documented here:

http://www.allthingsmale.com/consultations.html

Best of luck finding someone better.

[Guest guest]

--- " Marc Michaud " <MisterX225@...> wrote:

> I was considering seeing him. Is it 495 per visit.

> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

$495 Anti-Aging Consultation; $60 office visit

[Guest guest]

I have to get some labs done next week with him,when the results come in I am

going to be very firm about getting a copy before our phone appt. I

always get a copy AFTER the appt and I have definitely seen things in

my labs that I wanted to question but it was too late, I would have to

schedule another $60 phone appt!

From: MisterX225@...

Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 01:37:39 +0000

Subject: Re: Re: My appointment with Dr. Crisler

What's the harm of a copy?

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

Re: My appointment with Dr. Crisler

I'm pretty sure that they MUST let you see your lab results. It is a part of

YOUR medical records and by law (HIPAA, I think) you have a right to them.

Of course, he could then turn around and refuse to discuss them with you for

being such a " demanding " patient. That's his right too.

[Guest guest]

I am so sorry you had this bad visit with Dr. I have never heard anyone

have this happen to them and the next time I talk to him I will be asking why

this happened.

I have never seen him but the guys that have say only good things about him they

said it would talk to them for about 90 min.'s or 2 hrs. on the first visit.

Are you sure you seen him and not one of the Dr.'s that work for him.

Still he is the best and if I were you I would stick it out with him.

>

> My first visit cost $495. He doesn't take insurance. When I

> was in his office he talked very little. He asked why I

> was there and I told him he was recommeded by Phil and I

> was looking for a Dr. that would analyze all my hormones

> and balance them. He looked at the 2 years worth of labs I

> brought in and entered them into his computer

> while I sat there with very little conversation. He gave me

> a physical and told me to wait for the blood tests and the

> Rhein 24hr urine hormonal tests before he would say anything. I had to

> pay $225 for a Rheim 24hr urine hormonal test because it

> wasn't covered by insurance. Dr. Crisler also give me a

> form for blood work labs that I took in my city. He wouldn't

> let me see the lab results before he talked to me. In order

> to discuss my lab results with him, which I had not seen so

> couldn't form any intelligent questions about them, I had

> to pay him $60 for a phone consultation. He read my labs

> for the first time silently in the phone consultation which

> lasted a total of 10 min. Not knowing what the labs showed

> I asked him how were my adrenals, he said fine. I asked

> him how was my thyroid hormones, he said fine. I asked him

> how was my E2, he said fine. He said I should start HCG

> 250Iu 2x a week. My testicles have not shrunk from TRT and I don't relish the

thought of injecting HCG 2x aweek for life so f..k that. He also said he wanted

to measure another hormone and would send a

> script to the labs that I use. When they finally emailed me

> my blood lab and Rhein results to me after a few days, which they

> charged me $5 for, I noticed that the blood labs did not

> include T, Bioavailable T and E2...how did he know my E2

> was ok? The Rhein 24hr hormone test showed total E2

> excreted in 24hrs but not the level. So I emailed him to

> also send a script for these lab tests. I got no response.

> I called his office and asked the secretary why my email

> wasn't answered and she said to do the hormone lab tests

> first, pay $60 to discuss the hormone results with the DR

> and ask him at that time for the other tests. When I

> ordered some compounded T gel from his office they charged

> me $35 shipping and handling. Life Extension Pharmacy and

> University compounding pharmacy both charge $6 shipping and

> handling! He may be the Dr. " king " of hormones but you

> can't talk to him or ask him any questions via phone or

> email without paying him $60 even though you paid $495 for

> an initial minimal talk visit. I hope the other Doctors recomended

> by this site are more patient friendly!

>

[Guest guest]

Dr.'s don't let one see labs until they go over them first and talk to about

them. I have yet to see my labs before seeing the Dr. and I have seen a lot of

them. I don't know what happened hear but I sent an Email to Dr. about

this. And going back many yrs. my first visit with a new Dr. would cost me out

of my pocket anywhere from $500 to $1500. To talk to Dr. is like seeing

him in his office but I don't feel he should charge for a follow or call back on

a lab test.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: jim d <jmosrite@...>

> Subject: RE: My appointment with Dr. Crisler

>

> Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 6:44 PM

>

> Yes, I am not too happy about their policy of not letting

> me see my labs UNTIL I talk to him. I would like to have

> them in hand to see if there is anything I have a question

> about.

> Initial visit went up to $495? I think it was around $300

> in 2007.

> Jim

>

>

> From: MisterX225@...

> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 22:56:18 +0000

> Subject: Re: My appointment with Dr.

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> My first visit cost $495.  He doesn't take insurance.

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> was in his office  he talked very little.  He

> asked why I

>

>

> was there and I told him he was  recommeded by Phil

> and I

>

>

> was looking for a Dr. that would analyze all my 

> hormones

>

>

> and balance them. He looked at the 2 years worth of labs I

>

>

> brought in and entered them into his computer

>

>

> while I sat there with very little  conversation. He

> gave me

>

>

> a physical and told me to wait for the blood tests

> and  the

>

>

> Rhein 24hr urine hormonal tests before he would say

> anything. I had to

>

>

> pay $225 for a  Rheim 24hr urine hormonal test because

> it

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>

> wasn't covered by insurance.  Dr.  Crisler also

> give me a

>

>

> form for blood work labs that I took in my city.  He

> wouldn't

>

>

> let me see the lab results before he talked to me.  In

> order

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>

> to discuss my lab  results with him, which I had not

> seen so

>

>

> couldn't form any intelligent questions about them, I had

>

>

> to pay him $60 for a phone consultation. He read my 

> labs

>

>

> for the first time silently in the phone consultation

> which

>

>

> lasted a total of 10 min.  Not knowing what the labs

> showed

>

>

> I asked him how were my adrenals,  he said fine. 

> I asked

>

>

> him how was my thyroid hormones, he said fine.  I

> asked  him

>

>

> how was my E2, he said fine.  He said I should start

> HCG

>

>

> 250Iu 2x a week.  My testicles have not shrunk from

> TRT and I don't relish the thought of injecting HCG 2x aweek

> for life so f..k that. He also said he wanted to measure

> another hormone and would  send a

>

>

> script to the labs that I use.  When they finally

> emailed me

>

>

> my blood lab and  Rhein results to me after a few

> days, which they

>

>

> charged me $5 for, I noticed  that the blood labs did

> not

>

>

> include T, Bioavailable T and E2...how did he know  my

> E2

>

>

> was ok?  The Rhein 24hr hormone test showed total E2

>

>

> excreted in 24hrs but not the level.  So I emailed him

> to

>

>

> also send a script for these lab tests. I  got no

> response.

>

>

> I called his office and asked the secretary why my email

>

>

> wasn't answered and she said to do the hormone lab tests

>

>

> first, pay $60 to  discuss the hormone results with

> the DR

>

>

> and ask him at that time for the other  tests. 

> When I

>

>

> ordered some compounded T gel from his office  they

> charged

>

>

> me  $35 shipping and handling. Life Extension Pharmacy

> and

>

>

> University compounding  pharmacy both charge $6

> shipping and

>

>

> handling!  He may be the Dr. " king " of  hormones

> but you

>

>

> can't talk to him or ask him any questions via phone or

>

>

> email  without paying him $60 even though you paid

> $495 for

>

>

> an initial minimal talk visit.  I hope the other

> Doctors recomended

>

>

> by this site are more patient friendly!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, the first visit I had with him we spent 90 minutes and he was quite

talkative and informative. I get the impression sometimes that the office tries

to take on too many patients.

From: pmgamer18@...

Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:29:40 +0000

Subject: Re: My appointment with Dr. Crisler

I am so sorry you had this bad visit with Dr. I have never heard

anyone have this happen to them and the next time I talk to him I will be asking

why this happened.

I have never seen him but the guys that have say only good things about him they

said it would talk to them for about 90 min.'s or 2 hrs. on the first visit.

Are you sure you seen him and not one of the Dr.'s that work for him.

Still he is the best and if I were you I would stick it out with him.

>

> My first visit cost $495. He doesn't take insurance. When I

> was in his office he talked very little. He asked why I

> was there and I told him he was recommeded by Phil and I

> was looking for a Dr. that would analyze all my hormones

> and balance them. He looked at the 2 years worth of labs I

> brought in and entered them into his computer

> while I sat there with very little conversation. He gave me

> a physical and told me to wait for the blood tests and the

> Rhein 24hr urine hormonal tests before he would say anything. I had to

> pay $225 for a Rheim 24hr urine hormonal test because it

> wasn't covered by insurance. Dr. Crisler also give me a

> form for blood work labs that I took in my city. He wouldn't

> let me see the lab results before he talked to me. In order

> to discuss my lab results with him, which I had not seen so

> couldn't form any intelligent questions about them, I had

> to pay him $60 for a phone consultation. He read my labs

> for the first time silently in the phone consultation which

> lasted a total of 10 min. Not knowing what the labs showed

> I asked him how were my adrenals, he said fine. I asked

> him how was my thyroid hormones, he said fine. I asked him

> how was my E2, he said fine. He said I should start HCG

> 250Iu 2x a week. My testicles have not shrunk from TRT and I don't relish the

thought of injecting HCG 2x aweek for life so f..k that. He also said he wanted

to measure another hormone and would send a

> script to the labs that I use. When they finally emailed me

> my blood lab and Rhein results to me after a few days, which they

> charged me $5 for, I noticed that the blood labs did not

> include T, Bioavailable T and E2...how did he know my E2

> was ok? The Rhein 24hr hormone test showed total E2

> excreted in 24hrs but not the level. So I emailed him to

> also send a script for these lab tests. I got no response.

> I called his office and asked the secretary why my email

> wasn't answered and she said to do the hormone lab tests

> first, pay $60 to discuss the hormone results with the DR

> and ask him at that time for the other tests. When I

> ordered some compounded T gel from his office they charged

> me $35 shipping and handling. Life Extension Pharmacy and

> University compounding pharmacy both charge $6 shipping and

> handling! He may be the Dr. " king " of hormones but you

> can't talk to him or ask him any questions via phone or

> email without paying him $60 even though you paid $495 for

> an initial minimal talk visit. I hope the other Doctors recomended

> by this site are more patient friendly!

>

[Guest guest]

If after his visit he asked for a copy and did not get it yes he should have got

it. Every guy that sees Dr. gets a copy of there labs after the visit if

they ask for them.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Marc Michaud <MisterX225@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: My appointment with Dr. Crisler

>

> Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 8:37 PM

>

> What's the harm of a copy? 

> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

>

> Re: My appointment with Dr.

> Crisler

>

>

> I'm pretty sure that they MUST let you see your lab

> results. It is a part of YOUR medical records and by law

> (HIPAA, I think) you have a right to them.

> Of course, he could then turn around and refuse to discuss

> them with you for being such a " demanding " patient. 

> That's his right too.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Let me clear this up.

Number one if there is no client /patient relationship establish and he releases

those labs work to you and there are abnormalities on them you do not decide to

show up. HE IS LIABLE FOR THEM and can be sued if they are not identified event

though you are not technically his patient. Its very easy for people to get

test then just leave goto their dr and then be treated once the abnormalities

were found. SO YES HE IS RIGHT IN THAT ASPECT..LEGALLY ..REmember he went to

law school he should know !!

>

> > From: Marc Michaud <MisterX225@...>

> > Subject: Re: Re: My appointment with Dr. Crisler

> >

> > Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 8:37 PM

> >

> > What's the harm of a copy? 

> > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

> >

> > Re: My appointment with Dr.

> > Crisler

> >

> >

> > I'm pretty sure that they MUST let you see your lab

> > results. It is a part of YOUR medical records and by law

> > (HIPAA, I think) you have a right to them.

> > Of course, he could then turn around and refuse to discuss

> > them with you for being such a " demanding " patient. 

> > That's his right too.

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thank you for that Hard I am shocked he feels this way seeing Dr. have you

ever seen this happen with the guys you know that see him.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...>

> Subject: Re: My appointment with Dr. Crisler

>

> Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 10:09 AM

> Let me clear this up.

> Number one if there is no client /patient relationship

> establish and he releases those labs work to you and there

> are abnormalities on them you do not decide to show up. HE

> IS LIABLE FOR THEM and can be sued if they are not

> identified event though you are not technically his

> patient.  Its very easy for people to get test then

> just leave goto their dr and then be treated once the

> abnormalities were found.  SO YES HE IS RIGHT IN THAT

> ASPECT..LEGALLY ..REmember he went to law school he should

> know !!

>

>

> >

> > > From: Marc Michaud <MisterX225@...>

> > > Subject: Re: Re: My appointment

> with Dr. Crisler

> > >

> > > Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 8:37 PM

> > >

> > > What's the harm of a copy? 

> > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

> > >

> > > Re: My appointment with

> Dr.

> > > Crisler

> > >

> > >

> > > I'm pretty sure that they MUST let you see your

> lab

> > > results. It is a part of YOUR medical records and

> by law

> > > (HIPAA, I think) you have a right to them.

> > > Of course, he could then turn around and refuse

> to discuss

> > > them with you for being such a " demanding "

> patient. 

> > > That's his right too.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

thanks for clearing this up. I just preferred having the labs in hand but I see

the point from a legal standpoint.

Jim

From: pmgamer18@...

Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 07:13:38 -0800

Subject: Re: Re: My appointment with Dr. Crisler

Thank you for that Hard I am shocked he feels this way seeing Dr.

have you ever seen this happen with the guys you know that see him.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: hardasnails1973 <hardasnails1973@...>

> Subject: Re: My appointment with Dr. Crisler

>

> Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 10:09 AM

> Let me clear this up.

> Number one if there is no client /patient relationship

> establish and he releases those labs work to you and there

> are abnormalities on them you do not decide to show up. HE

> IS LIABLE FOR THEM and can be sued if they are not

> identified event though you are not technically his

> patient. Its very easy for people to get test then

> just leave goto their dr and then be treated once the

> abnormalities were found. SO YES HE IS RIGHT IN THAT

> ASPECT..LEGALLY ..REmember he went to law school he should

> know !!

>

>

> >

> > > From: Marc Michaud <MisterX225@...>

> > > Subject: Re: Re: My appointment

> with Dr. Crisler

> > >

> > > Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 8:37 PM

> > >

> > > What's the harm of a copy?

> > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

> > >

> > > Re: My appointment with

> Dr.

> > > Crisler

> > >

> > >

> > > I'm pretty sure that they MUST let you see your

> lab

> > > results. It is a part of YOUR medical records and

> by law

> > > (HIPAA, I think) you have a right to them.

> > > Of course, he could then turn around and refuse

> to discuss

> > > them with you for being such a " demanding "

> patient.

> > > That's his right too.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

After speaking to a few legal freinds of mine and DR O looking at the fact that

practicing medicine by walking the fine lines, lawyers would eat us alive if

some thing happened. If a patient that had abnormal liver enzyme on a test

which had the Dr's name on it and that person suddenly down the road had liver

issue or cirrosis. Even though the dr never saw them, but the test had his name

on it. HE IS LIABLE because it should have been addressed then, but the client

patient relationship was never established. Once the relationship is

established and you are treating them then there is no issue at all.

>

> > >

>

> > > > From: Marc Michaud <MisterX225@>

>

> > > > Subject: Re: Re: My appointment

>

> > with Dr. Crisler

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 8:37 PM

>

> > > >

>

> > > > What's the harm of a copy?

>

> > > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Re: My appointment with

>

> > Dr.

>

> > > > Crisler

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > > I'm pretty sure that they MUST let you see your

>

> > lab

>

> > > > results. It is a part of YOUR medical records and

>

> > by law

>

> > > > (HIPAA, I think) you have a right to them.

>

> > > > Of course, he could then turn around and refuse

>

> > to discuss

>

> > > > them with you for being such a " demanding "

>

> > patient.

>

> > > > That's his right too.

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

>

> > removed]

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > > ------------------------------------

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

[Guest guest]

No go to his site and read it.

www.allthingsmale.com

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Marc Michaud <MisterX225@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: My appointment with Dr. Crisler

>

> Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 10:52 PM

>

> I was considering seeing him. Is it 495 per visit.

> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

>

> Re: My appointment with Dr.

> Crisler

>

> So far this conversation has been quite negative.  I

> say, your loss, not

> his.  Most of Dr Crisler's patients are very pleased

> and can't say

> enough nice things about him and of his level of

> care.  Perhaps he is

> the wrong doctor for you.

>

> It is very common that I doctor reviews lab results with

> you before you

> are allowed a copy.

>

> The fee charged by the doctor is clearly $495 as documented

> here:

> http://www.allthingsmale.com/consultations.html

>

> Best of luck finding someone better.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dr john and shippen are great at testosterone, but when it comes to adrenal and

thyroid they are not as aggressive as other Dr's. I can not say anything

negative about Dr or Shippen because they have helped so many men. People

ask me how they are and I tell them to go see them for themselves. Depending on

the person location I tell people in mid west to go Dr J west coast mariano, and

east coast I help run a clinic here out side of philly which takes a more indept

look then most dr's.

>

> > From: Marc Michaud <MisterX225@...>

> > Subject: Re: Re: My appointment with Dr. Crisler

> >

> > Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 10:52 PM

> >

> > I was considering seeing him. Is it 495 per visit.

> > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

> >

> > Re: My appointment with Dr.

> > Crisler

> >

> > So far this conversation has been quite negative.  I

> > say, your loss, not

> > his.  Most of Dr Crisler's patients are very pleased

> > and can't say

> > enough nice things about him and of his level of

> > care.  Perhaps he is

> > the wrong doctor for you.

> >

> > It is very common that I doctor reviews lab results with

> > you before you

> > are allowed a copy.

> >

> > The fee charged by the doctor is clearly $495 as documented

> > here:

> > http://www.allthingsmale.com/consultations.html

> >

> > Best of luck finding someone better.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

We have also changed out policy as well because one we are putting our self at

higher risk and number 2 alot of money is lost in the long haul business wise.

So its a no brainer to make these alterations. We have spoiled our clients by

having lab work sent to them as it comes in and if they don not hear back with

in a matter of 12 hour or so then they are getting pissed. I tell them if you

can find another dr office that gets back to with you promptly in less then 24

hours then let me know. I know some top dr's will leave paitents hanging for

weeks on ends or screw up blood work. Office flow is crucial for success of a

business. I have heard stories of people calling in dr for phone follow ups

spending 3 minutes of actually time on the phone going over tests then spend 10

minutes talking about what the hell they did that weekend. I know linder

charges 3.50 a minute no matter what he talks about. then charges 20 dollars a

script, then only gives one month refill. He is rapping people left and right

people goto him because he's a nice guy and listens ..Shit if i am getting paid

280 an hour i sit and listen too LOL

> > >

> > > > From: Marc Michaud <MisterX225@>

> > > > Subject: Re: Re: My appointment

> > with Dr. Crisler

> > > >

> > > > Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 8:37 PM

> > > >

> > > > What's the harm of a copy? 

> > > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

> > > >

> > > > Re: My appointment with

> > Dr.

> > > > Crisler

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I'm pretty sure that they MUST let you see your

> > lab

> > > > results. It is a part of YOUR medical records and

> > by law

> > > > (HIPAA, I think) you have a right to them.

> > > > Of course, he could then turn around and refuse

> > to discuss

> > > > them with you for being such a " demanding "

> > patient. 

> > > > That's his right too.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

He is protecting himself.

You can still have him draw your blood, decide you don't want to be a patient

the very next day and get your lab results sent to you or another doctor.

In that case, he would protect himself by documenting the fact that he tried

unsuccessfully to provide you with a diagnosis.

> >

> > > From: Marc Michaud <MisterX225@>

> > > Subject: Re: Re: My appointment with Dr. Crisler

> > >

> > > Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 8:37 PM

> > >

> > > What's the harm of a copy? 

> > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

> > >

> > > Re: My appointment with Dr.

> > > Crisler

> > >

> > >

> > > I'm pretty sure that they MUST let you see your lab

> > > results. It is a part of YOUR medical records and by law

> > > (HIPAA, I think) you have a right to them.

> > > Of course, he could then turn around and refuse to discuss

> > > them with you for being such a " demanding " patient. 

> > > That's his right too.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I'd like to clear up a few things and misinterpretations.

First I wasn't complaining I was only describing my visit to Dr. Crisler for the

benefit of this group so they can see what to perhaps expect. The $495 was not

a surprise it is clearly laid out on his web site. The problem with the labs is

that the Rhein 24hr hormonal labs are tough to interpret for a layman. My 10 min

$60 consultation to review my labs was unsatisfactory as described in my

previous post. After I received my labs 2 days after the short consultation I

had many questions on what the Rhein hormonal labs meant. But I didn't feel I

should have to pay another $60 to discuss them with him. In addition he does not

answer emails. After my initial visit I had a few questions and emailed him

those questions. He never answered my email. My total visit with Dr. Crisler

lasted 45min because he was running an hour late and there were other guys in

the waiting room. Was my visit an unusual case...I don't know because I'm the

first on this forum to describe in detail what the total visit was like for me.

Perhaps those who had a great visit recently would be kind enough to post more

detail other than gosh he was great?

> >

> > My first visit cost $495. He doesn't take insurance. When I

> > was in his office he talked very little. He asked why I

> > was there and I told him he was recommeded by Phil and I

> > was looking for a Dr. that would analyze all my hormones

> > and balance them. He looked at the 2 years worth of labs I

> > brought in and entered them into his computer

> > while I sat there with very little conversation. He gave me

> > a physical and told me to wait for the blood tests and the

> > Rhein 24hr urine hormonal tests before he would say anything. I had to

> > pay $225 for a Rheim 24hr urine hormonal test because it

> > wasn't covered by insurance. Dr. Crisler also give me a

> > form for blood work labs that I took in my city. He wouldn't

> > let me see the lab results before he talked to me. In order

> > to discuss my lab results with him, which I had not seen so

> > couldn't form any intelligent questions about them, I had

> > to pay him $60 for a phone consultation. He read my labs

> > for the first time silently in the phone consultation which

> > lasted a total of 10 min. Not knowing what the labs showed

> > I asked him how were my adrenals, he said fine. I asked

> > him how was my thyroid hormones, he said fine. I asked him

> > how was my E2, he said fine. He said I should start HCG

> > 250Iu 2x a week. My testicles have not shrunk from TRT and I don't relish

the thought of injecting HCG 2x aweek for life so f..k that. He also said he

wanted to measure another hormone and would send a

> > script to the labs that I use. When they finally emailed me

> > my blood lab and Rhein results to me after a few days, which they

> > charged me $5 for, I noticed that the blood labs did not

> > include T, Bioavailable T and E2...how did he know my E2

> > was ok? The Rhein 24hr hormone test showed total E2

> > excreted in 24hrs but not the level. So I emailed him to

> > also send a script for these lab tests. I got no response.

> > I called his office and asked the secretary why my email

> > wasn't answered and she said to do the hormone lab tests

> > first, pay $60 to discuss the hormone results with the DR

> > and ask him at that time for the other tests. When I

> > ordered some compounded T gel from his office they charged

> > me $35 shipping and handling. Life Extension Pharmacy and

> > University compounding pharmacy both charge $6 shipping and

> > handling! He may be the Dr. " king " of hormones but you

> > can't talk to him or ask him any questions via phone or

> > email without paying him $60 even though you paid $495 for

> > an initial minimal talk visit. I hope the other Doctors recomended

> > by this site are more patient friendly!

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I think you're very misguided if you choose not to do the HCG injections. Nearly

everyone who uses HCG swears by it - it does a whole lot more than just stop

testicular atrophy. It also affects how you feel, your sense of well-being,

your sex drive, your fertility, etc. And while you do have to inject twice a

week, it's the insulin syringes - so thin, sometimes I can't even feel it. It

does NOT have to be IM, sub-cutaneous works just as well. I confirmed this by

reading a study on pubmed.

My experience with Dr. matches most people here. I've only seen him in his

office once, but he took his time with me. I have had some phone consultations

where he seemed distracted and wasn't very talkative, but that seems to be the

exception, not the rule. All things considered, based on my experiences with him

vs my experiences with other doctors, I wouldn't consider switching.

JKE

He said I should start HCG

> 250Iu 2x a week. My testicles have not shrunk from TRT and I don't relish the

thought of injecting HCG 2x aweek for life so f..k that.

[Guest guest]

Still you should not have to pay to take about your labs again if you all ready

paid once and all was not covered. He dose get a lot of questions about things

from his men and if he sent all his time with them he would not have time to see

other men. Men or people that are sick do have a lot of problems and take them

seriously and over do it calling over and over again. If you have a lot of

questions make a list I do this when I see my Dr. because you get side tracked

with your talking to the Dr.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: mqsymth <alphadennis@...>

> Subject: Re: My appointment with Dr. Crisler

>

> Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 12:11 PM

> I'd like to clear up a few things and

> misinterpretations.

>

> First I wasn't complaining I was only describing my visit

> to Dr. Crisler for the benefit of this group so they can see

> what to perhaps expect.  The $495 was not a surprise it

> is clearly laid out on his web site. The problem with the

> labs is that the Rhein 24hr hormonal labs are tough to

> interpret for a layman. My 10 min $60 consultation to review

> my labs was unsatisfactory as described in my previous

> post.  After I received my labs 2 days after the short

> consultation I had many questions on what the Rhein hormonal

> labs meant.  But I didn't feel I should have to pay

> another $60 to discuss them with him. In addition he does

> not answer emails. After my initial visit I had a few

> questions and emailed him those questions. He never answered

> my email. My total visit with Dr. Crisler lasted 45min

> because he was running an hour late and there were other

> guys in the waiting room.  Was my visit an unusual

> case...I don't know because I'm the first on this forum to

> describe in detail what the total visit was like for

> me.  Perhaps those who had a great visit recently would

> be kind enough to post more detail other than gosh he was

> great?

>

>

> > >

> > > My first visit cost $495.  He doesn't take

> insurance. When I

> > > was in his office  he talked very

> little.  He asked why I

> > > was there and I told him he was  recommeded

> by Phil and I

> > > was looking for a Dr. that would analyze all

> my  hormones

> > > and balance them. He looked at the 2 years worth

> of labs I

> > > brought in and entered them into his computer

> > > while I sat there with very little 

> conversation. He gave me

> > > a physical and told me to wait for the blood

> tests and  the

> > > Rhein 24hr urine hormonal tests before he would

> say anything. I had to

> > > pay $225 for a  Rheim 24hr urine hormonal

> test because it

> > > wasn't covered by insurance.  Dr. 

> Crisler also give me a

> > > form for blood work labs that I took in my

> city.  He wouldn't

> > > let me see the lab results before he talked to

> me.  In order

> > > to discuss my lab  results with him, which I

> had not seen so

> > > couldn't form any intelligent questions about

> them, I had

> > > to pay him $60 for a phone consultation. He read

> my  labs

> > > for the first time silently in the phone

> consultation which

> > > lasted a total of 10 min.  Not knowing what

> the labs showed

> > > I asked him how were my adrenals,  he said

> fine.  I asked

> > > him how was my thyroid hormones, he said

> fine.  I asked  him

> > > how was my E2, he said fine.  He said I

> should start HCG

> > > 250Iu 2x a week.  My testicles have not

> shrunk from TRT and I don't relish the thought of injecting

> HCG 2x aweek for life so f..k that. He also said he wanted

> to measure another hormone and would  send a

> > > script to the labs that I use.  When they

> finally emailed me

> > > my blood lab and  Rhein results to me after

> a few days, which they

> > > charged me $5 for, I noticed  that the blood

> labs did not

> > > include T, Bioavailable T and E2...how did he

> know  my E2

> > > was ok?  The Rhein 24hr hormone test showed

> total E2

> > > excreted in 24hrs but not the level.  So I

> emailed him to

> > > also send a script for these lab tests. I 

> got no response.

> > > I called his office and asked the secretary why

> my email

> > > wasn't answered and she said to do the hormone

> lab tests

> > > first, pay $60 to  discuss the hormone

> results with the DR

> > > and ask him at that time for the other 

> tests.  When I

> > > ordered some compounded T gel from his

> office  they charged

> > > me  $35 shipping and handling. Life

> Extension Pharmacy and

> > > University compounding  pharmacy both charge

> $6 shipping and

> > > handling!  He may be the Dr. " king " of 

> hormones but you

> > > can't talk to him or ask him any questions via

> phone or

> > > email  without paying him $60 even though

> you paid $495 for

> > > an initial minimal talk visit.  I hope the

> other Doctors recomended

> > > by this site are more patient friendly!

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Why on earth do you think it is my job to explain the intracacies of every assay

I draw to my patients? It's my job to treat patinets, and answer questrions that

pertain to that treatment--NOT teach you all about TRT. Do you think I can spend

two hours for each office visit? Actually, I would love to, and charge $500 for

each office visit! LOL. IOW, you are making demands of me NO other doctor could

or would fulfill. We also do not appreciate your nasty email, or your defamation

of our efforts on the forum.

You need a dose of reality.

> > > >

> > > > My first visit cost $495.  He doesn't take

> > insurance. When I

> > > > was in his office  he talked very

> > little.  He asked why I

> > > > was there and I told him he was  recommeded

> > by Phil and I

> > > > was looking for a Dr. that would analyze all

> > my  hormones

> > > > and balance them. He looked at the 2 years worth

> > of labs I

> > > > brought in and entered them into his computer

> > > > while I sat there with very little 

> > conversation. He gave me

> > > > a physical and told me to wait for the blood

> > tests and  the

> > > > Rhein 24hr urine hormonal tests before he would

> > say anything. I had to

> > > > pay $225 for a  Rheim 24hr urine hormonal

> > test because it

> > > > wasn't covered by insurance.  Dr. 

> > Crisler also give me a

> > > > form for blood work labs that I took in my

> > city.  He wouldn't

> > > > let me see the lab results before he talked to

> > me.  In order

> > > > to discuss my lab  results with him, which I

> > had not seen so

> > > > couldn't form any intelligent questions about

> > them, I had

> > > > to pay him $60 for a phone consultation. He read

> > my  labs

> > > > for the first time silently in the phone

> > consultation which

> > > > lasted a total of 10 min.  Not knowing what

> > the labs showed

> > > > I asked him how were my adrenals,  he said

> > fine.  I asked

> > > > him how was my thyroid hormones, he said

> > fine.  I asked  him

> > > > how was my E2, he said fine.  He said I

> > should start HCG

> > > > 250Iu 2x a week.  My testicles have not

> > shrunk from TRT and I don't relish the thought of injecting

> > HCG 2x aweek for life so f..k that. He also said he wanted

> > to measure another hormone and would  send a

> > > > script to the labs that I use.  When they

> > finally emailed me

> > > > my blood lab and  Rhein results to me after

> > a few days, which they

> > > > charged me $5 for, I noticed  that the blood

> > labs did not

> > > > include T, Bioavailable T and E2...how did he

> > know  my E2

> > > > was ok?  The Rhein 24hr hormone test showed

> > total E2

> > > > excreted in 24hrs but not the level.  So I

> > emailed him to

> > > > also send a script for these lab tests. I 

> > got no response.

> > > > I called his office and asked the secretary why

> > my email

> > > > wasn't answered and she said to do the hormone

> > lab tests

> > > > first, pay $60 to  discuss the hormone

> > results with the DR

> > > > and ask him at that time for the other 

> > tests.  When I

> > > > ordered some compounded T gel from his

> > office  they charged

> > > > me  $35 shipping and handling. Life

> > Extension Pharmacy and

> > > > University compounding  pharmacy both charge

> > $6 shipping and

> > > > handling!  He may be the Dr. " king " of 

> > hormones but you

> > > > can't talk to him or ask him any questions via

> > phone or

> > > > email  without paying him $60 even though

> > you paid $495 for

> > > > an initial minimal talk visit.  I hope the

> > other Doctors recomended

> > > > by this site are more patient friendly!

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >