Re: Re: Testosterone Cyiopinate 200mg

December 12, 2009

Thank you Randy, wiil try an puh for increased amounts.

From: k0cm <Randy@...>

Subject: Re: Testosterone Cyiopinate 200mg

Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 11:11 AM

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It can take up to three months to feel significant effects. It takes a while for

your cells to realize that there is " T " available again.

Make no mistake... testosterone works on a cellular level and energizes every

cell in your body. Physical activity seems to helps spread the hormones around.

Testosterone Cypionate has a half life of 8-10 days. I started out with monthly

shots, then bi-weekly and finally weekly. When I was on monthly shots that 4th

week was very miserable.

You will do OK with bi-weekly shots, but may want to push for weekly shots when

you can learn to do the shots at home. Insurance companies don't want you going

to the doctor's office every week.

The real improvement comes many months later when you have used the boost you

get form " T " to lose fat, gain muscle and increase your level of activity.

Randy Hoops

Springield, MO

>

Is there a general time for seeing considerable improvement?

December 12, 2009

I have a question about cyiopinate, I've been on this form of T for over 2

years now, would it be a good idea to change T types so your not using the

same receptors.. This I got from a body builder that you should change to

get a better affect and give your body a change, anything to this....

Steve

On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 12:45 PM, mark kalandyk <pirate7272@...>wrote:

>

> Thank you Randy, wiil try an puh for increased amounts.

>

> From: k0cm <Randy@... <Randy%40rhoops.org>>

> Subject: Re: Testosterone Cyiopinate 200mg

> < %40>

> Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 11:11 AM

>

> It can take up to three months to feel significant effects. It takes a

> while for your cells to realize that there is " T " available again.

>

> Make no mistake... testosterone works on a cellular level and energizes

> every cell in your body. Physical activity seems to helps spread the

> hormones around.

>

> Testosterone Cypionate has a half life of 8-10 days. I started out with

> monthly shots, then bi-weekly and finally weekly. When I was on monthly

> shots that 4th week was very miserable.

>

> You will do OK with bi-weekly shots, but may want to push for weekly shots

> when you can learn to do the shots at home. Insurance companies don't want

> you going to the doctor's office every week.

>

> The real improvement comes many months later when you have used the boost

> you get form " T " to lose fat, gain muscle and increase your level of

> activity.

>

> Randy Hoops

> Springield, MO

>

> >

> Is there a general time for seeing considerable improvement?

>

December 12, 2009

As far as I know, this doesn't matter at all. The part that makes it a

testosterone ester is cleaved offed by an enzyme in the body leaving

ONLY testosterone that is bioidentical. Consequently, there is no

problem with this testosterone being used exactly as it would be if it

was produced by the body's own leydig cells.

The rate at which body produces the enzymes and the esters are cleaved

off the testosterone types (testosterone cypionate for example)

determines the half life in the body of the T injection type. If you

were injecting actual testosterone (and this is not anything I've seen

anyone do in all the lists I ever been on on this subject), you would

have to inject daily.

My experience is that it doesn't take months to realize the effects of

TRT and that the effects are almost immediate with peak levels from an

injection occurring within a day or two.

Steve

Steve wrote:

> I have a question about cyiopinate, I've been on this form of T for over 2

> years now, would it be a good idea to change T types so your not using the

> same receptors.. This I got from a body builder that you should change to

> get a better affect and give your body a change, anything to this....

>

> Steve

>

> On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 12:45 PM, mark kalandyk <pirate7272@...>wrote:

>

>>

>> Thank you Randy, wiil try an puh for increased amounts.

>>

>> From: k0cm <Randy@... <Randy%40rhoops.org>>

>> Subject: Re: Testosterone Cyiopinate 200mg

>> < %40>

>> Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 11:11 AM

>>

>> It can take up to three months to feel significant effects. It takes a

>> while for your cells to realize that there is " T " available again.

>>

>> Make no mistake... testosterone works on a cellular level and energizes

>> every cell in your body. Physical activity seems to helps spread the

>> hormones around.

>>

>> Testosterone Cypionate has a half life of 8-10 days. I started out with

>> monthly shots, then bi-weekly and finally weekly. When I was on monthly

>> shots that 4th week was very miserable.

>>

>> You will do OK with bi-weekly shots, but may want to push for weekly shots

>> when you can learn to do the shots at home. Insurance companies don't want

>> you going to the doctor's office every week.

>>

>> The real improvement comes many months later when you have used the boost

>> you get form " T " to lose fat, gain muscle and increase your level of

>> activity.

--

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December 13, 2009

I can't say but every time some thing new comes out I switch to it. The pills I

started one 27 yrs ago I stopped using them after 30 days when I found out they

were bad on your liver. The compounded cream I was on the women that used it at

a lower dose complained about it being to thin it would run off there arm. So

the lab made it thicker when I got mine I could not get it out of the bottle.

The patch I used on my testis kept falling off. Then Patch I used on my body

left a bad red rash that needed HC cream to heal. The Androgel I was on did not

support my joints and muscles I was house bound for yrs not know that it was

this gel. The pill you put on your gums kept falling off.

The best form of TRT I ever did was shots.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> >

> > From: k0cm <Randy@...

> <Randy%40rhoops.org>>

> > Subject: Re: Testosterone Cyiopinate

> 200mg

> >

> < %40>

> > Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 11:11 AM

> >

> > It can take up to three months to feel significant

> effects. It takes a

> > while for your cells to realize that there is " T "

> available again.

> >

> > Make no mistake... testosterone works on a cellular

> level and energizes

> > every cell in your body. Physical activity seems to

> helps spread the

> > hormones around.

> >

> > Testosterone Cypionate has a half life of 8-10 days. I

> started out with

> > monthly shots, then bi-weekly and finally weekly. When

> I was on monthly

> > shots that 4th week was very miserable.

> >

> > You will do OK with bi-weekly shots, but may want to

> push for weekly shots

> > when you can learn to do the shots at home. Insurance

> companies don't want

> > you going to the doctor's office every week.

> >

> > The real improvement comes many months later when you

> have used the boost

> > you get form " T " to lose fat, gain muscle and increase

> your level of

> > activity.

> >

> > Randy Hoops

> > Springield, MO

> >

> > >

> > Is there a general time for seeing considerable

> improvement?

> >

December 13, 2009

Good point the peak levels from an

injection occurring within a day or two.

But the body has been low on it for a long time with most men so one needs to

get there levels up keep them up and hold down E2 levels for a time so there

body can undo the damage done from the low Testosterone and this can take some

time for one to feel better.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> >>

> >> From: k0cm <Randy@...

> <Randy%40rhoops.org>>

> >> Subject: Re: Testosterone

> Cyiopinate 200mg

> >>

> < %40>

> >> Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 11:11 AM

> >>

> >> It can take up to three months to feel significant

> effects. It takes a

> >> while for your cells to realize that there is " T "

> available again.

> >>

> >> Make no mistake... testosterone works on a

> cellular level and energizes

> >> every cell in your body. Physical activity seems

> to helps spread the

> >> hormones around.

> >>

> >> Testosterone Cypionate has a half life of 8-10

> days. I started out with

> >> monthly shots, then bi-weekly and finally weekly.

> When I was on monthly

> >> shots that 4th week was very miserable.

> >>

> >> You will do OK with bi-weekly shots, but may want

> to push for weekly shots

> >> when you can learn to do the shots at home.

> Insurance companies don't want

> >> you going to the doctor's office every week.

> >>

> >> The real improvement comes many months later when

> you have used the boost

> >> you get form " T " to lose fat, gain muscle and

> increase your level of

> >> activity.

>

> --

>

> Steve - dudescholar4@...

>

> " The Problem with Socialism is that eventually you

> run out of Other People's Money. " --Margaret Thatcher

>

> " Mistrust of Government is the Bedrock of American

> Patriotism "

>

> Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

> http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

>

> ------------------------------------

>

December 13, 2009

Testosterone has a half life of between 10 and 100 minutes. That means

testosterone suspension needs multiple injection throughout the day.

Be well!

Regards,

Crisler, DO

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Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 1:44 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Testosterone Cyiopinate 200mg

As far as I know, this doesn't matter at all. The part that makes it a

testosterone ester is cleaved offed by an enzyme in the body leaving

ONLY testosterone that is bioidentical. Consequently, there is no

problem with this testosterone being used exactly as it would be if it

was produced by the body's own leydig cells.

The rate at which body produces the enzymes and the esters are cleaved

off the testosterone types (testosterone cypionate for example)

determines the half life in the body of the T injection type. If you

were injecting actual testosterone (and this is not anything I've seen

anyone do in all the lists I ever been on on this subject), you would

have to inject daily.

My experience is that it doesn't take months to realize the effects of

TRT and that the effects are almost immediate with peak levels from an

injection occurring within a day or two.

Steve

Steve wrote:

> I have a question about cyiopinate, I've been on this form of T for over 2

> years now, would it be a good idea to change T types so your not using the

> same receptors.. This I got from a body builder that you should change to

> get a better affect and give your body a change, anything to this....

>

> Steve

>

> On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 12:45 PM, mark kalandyk <pirate7272@...

<mailto:pirate7272%40> >wrote:

>

>>

>> Thank you Randy, wiil try an puh for increased amounts.

>>

>> From: k0cm <Randy@... <mailto:Randy%40rhoops.org>

<Randy%40rhoops.org>>

>> Subject: Re: Testosterone Cyiopinate 200mg

>>

<mailto: %40> < %40>

>> Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 11:11 AM

>>

>> It can take up to three months to feel significant effects. It takes a

>> while for your cells to realize that there is " T " available again.

>>

>> Make no mistake... testosterone works on a cellular level and energizes

>> every cell in your body. Physical activity seems to helps spread the

>> hormones around.

>>

>> Testosterone Cypionate has a half life of 8-10 days. I started out with

>> monthly shots, then bi-weekly and finally weekly. When I was on monthly

>> shots that 4th week was very miserable.

>>

>> You will do OK with bi-weekly shots, but may want to push for weekly

shots

>> when you can learn to do the shots at home. Insurance companies don't

want

>> you going to the doctor's office every week.

>>

>> The real improvement comes many months later when you have used the boost

>> you get form " T " to lose fat, gain muscle and increase your level of

>> activity.

--

Steve - dudescholar4@... <mailto:dudescholar4%40basicmail.net>

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December 13, 2009

They are talking about suspension. You asked about Testosterone Cypionate. Cyp

has a half life of around 8 days. It peaks it 48-72 hours.

________________________________

From: gin2c <no_reply >

Sent: Sun, December 13, 2009 11:00:51 AM

Subject: Re: Testosterone Cyiopinate 200mg

Please elaborate.

Does this mean that the 100mg injections once a week are ineffective after 24

hours.

If done daily what should the dosage be?

If done every two hours what is the dosage?

I tried patches & creams, they seemed to cause higher E2.

Is that because they were putting more " T " into the body?

Do not just slam us with the tidbit & leave it.

> >>

> >> From: k0cm <Randy@... <mailto:Randy% 40rhoops. org>

> <Randy%40rhoops. org>>

> >> Subject: Re: Testosterone Cyiopinate 200mg

> >>

> <mailto:hypogonadis m2%40groups .com> < % 40groups.

com>

> >> Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 11:11 AM

> >>

> >> It can take up to three months to feel significant effects. It takes a

> >> while for your cells to realize that there is " T " available again.

> >>

> >> Make no mistake... testosterone works on a cellular level and energizes

> >> every cell in your body. Physical activity seems to helps spread the

> >> hormones around.

> >>

> >> Testosterone Cypionate has a half life of 8-10 days. I started out with

> >> monthly shots, then bi-weekly and finally weekly. When I was on monthly

> >> shots that 4th week was very miserable.

> >>

> >> You will do OK with bi-weekly shots, but may want to push for weekly

> shots

> >> when you can learn to do the shots at home. Insurance companies don't

> want

> >> you going to the doctor's office every week.

> >>

> >> The real improvement comes many months later when you have used the boost

> >> you get form " T " to lose fat, gain muscle and increase your level of

> >> activity.

>

> --

>

> Steve - dudescholar4@ ... <mailto:dudescholar 4%40basicmail. net>

>

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> run out of Other People's Money. " --Margaret Thatcher

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December 13, 2009

Two different things. A testosterone ester (real testosterone attached

to an ester) has a half life measured in 1+ weeks depending on the type

because it takes time for the body to remove the ester, that varies.

Real testosterone, which is used in patches, creams, and gels, also has

a longer half life due to the time it takes to be absorbed by the body.

Real testosterone that is injected has a much shorter half life as per

the information from Dr. Crisler. It his highly unlikely that you

are injecting real testosterone without the ester and as per a report by

one individual on this list, it burns like hell.

Consequently, one concern yourself about the half life of what ever you

are injecting, which is always much longer than a day.

Steve

gin2c wrote:

> Please elaborate.

> Does this mean that the 100mg injections once a week are ineffective after 24

hours.

> If done daily what should the dosage be?

> If done every two hours what is the dosage?

>

> I tried patches & creams, they seemed to cause higher E2.

> Is that because they were putting more " T " into the body?

>

> Do not just slam us with the tidbit & leave it.

>

>> Testosterone has a half life of between 10 and 100 minutes. That means

>> testosterone suspension needs multiple injection throughout the day.

>>

>> Be well!

>>

>> Regards,

>>

>> Crisler, DO

>>

--

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December 13, 2009

No he is talking about pure testosterone the kind not in oil.

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Phil

> From: gin2c <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: Testosterone Cyiopinate 200mg

>

> Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 12:00 PM

> Please elaborate.

> Does this mean that the 100mg injections once a week are

> ineffective after 24 hours.

> If done daily what should the dosage be?

> If done every two hours what is the dosage?

>

> I tried patches & creams, they seemed to cause higher

> E2.

> Is that because they were putting more " T " into the body?

>

> Do not just slam us with the tidbit & leave it.

>

> > >>

> > >> From: k0cm <Randy@...

> <mailto:Randy%40rhoops.org>

> > <Randy%40rhoops.org>>

> > >> Subject: Re: Testosterone

> Cyiopinate 200mg

> > >>

> > <mailto: %40>

> < %40>

> > >> Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 11:11 AM

> > >>

> > >> It can take up to three months to feel

> significant effects. It takes a

> > >> while for your cells to realize that there is

> " T " available again.

> > >>

> > >> Make no mistake... testosterone works on a

> cellular level and energizes

> > >> every cell in your body. Physical activity

> seems to helps spread the

> > >> hormones around.

> > >>

> > >> Testosterone Cypionate has a half life of

> 8-10 days. I started out with

> > >> monthly shots, then bi-weekly and finally

> weekly. When I was on monthly

> > >> shots that 4th week was very miserable.

> > >>

> > >> You will do OK with bi-weekly shots, but may

> want to push for weekly

> > shots

> > >> when you can learn to do the shots at home.

> Insurance companies don't

> > want

> > >> you going to the doctor's office every week.

> > >>

> > >> The real improvement comes many months later

> when you have used the boost

> > >> you get form " T " to lose fat, gain muscle and

> increase your level of

> > >> activity.

> >

> > --

> >

> > Steve - dudescholar4@...

> <mailto:dudescholar4%40basicmail.net>

> >

> > " The Problem with Socialism is that eventually you

> > run out of Other People's Money. " --Margaret Thatcher

> >

> > " Mistrust of Government is the Bedrock of American

> Patriotism "

> >

> > Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

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December 13, 2009

TD's don't increase the half life; they slow absorption. The T, once in, is

metabolized by its half-life.

Both test cyp and enanthate have a half-life of about 8 days.

Be well!

Regards,

Crisler, DO

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