Re: Finding E2 sweet spot on TRT

November 29, 2009

Phil do you know what cause a person to feel " hot " just after applying angrogel?

Is this high T or high E? Or both?

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November 30, 2009

Couldn't be E, not enought time for conversion. You may be sensitive to some

component of it. It's also possible your sustem absorbs the T so quickly it's

from stimulation of the Central Nervous System.

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Dr. , do you work with any knowledgeable docs in GA? My dh needs help as he

has the same reaction to topical T..thanks, El

November 30, 2009

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> Dr. , do you work with any knowledgeable docs in GA? My dh needs help as

he has the same reaction to topical T..thanks, El

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November 30, 2009

BTW, El, my wife also refers to me as " DH " , but in our case it is short for

" Dunder Head " .

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> Dr. , do you work with any knowledgeable docs in GA? My dh needs help as

he has the same reaction to topical T..thanks, El

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November 30, 2009

Actually, the half-life is about 2 days. Howver, it remains effective for an

extra day for most.

It takes 2.5 half-lives to stabilize a drug concentration. However, for Arimidex

it takes about 5 weeks to stabilize all the effects it has, notably that of

SHBG.

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November 30, 2009

If your just starting on gels it can be the testosterone levels going up after

your body adjusts to this it should stop. If your on them for a time it may

will be Estradiol levels going up. I am very sensitive to Estradiol and having

problems for the last 5 days. I had a bad panic attack my levels jumped why up

on me I needed to take a 1mg pill of arimidex to get this down. I just mixed up

a new batch of Novarel HCG and after having a shot this morning and getting the

dam feeling back I think it is a dam strong batch of HCG. I wake up soaking wet

and feel panic feelings.

If your Estradiol levels are on the edge of being to high and you feel like this

or sweat after it can be your Estradiol spiking up on you. Do you Take Zinc and

Copper this helps keep Estradiol in check. I take Now brand ZMA at bed time and

the 2 mgs of Copper at noon Zinc will lower your copper.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: wizardd21 <wizardd21@...>

> Subject: Re: Finding E2 sweet spot on TRT

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> Date: Sunday, November 29, 2009, 8:05 PM

> Phil do you know what cause a person

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November 30, 2009

Well Good morning Dr. thanks for the help.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: <drjohn@...>

> Subject: Re: Finding E2 sweet spot on TRT

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> Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 5:44 AM

> Couldn't be E, not enought time for

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November 30, 2009

Dr. , you gonna make me come home to MI to get my husband proper treatment?

NO, dunder heads are the docs we both have been seeing...El

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November 30, 2009

This assumes a doc would admit they did not know it all and was willing to

learn? Thanks for the info...El

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> I serve every week on a consultation basis through patient's own local

doctors.

November 30, 2009

A simple " I just don't know " is th every easiest way for a doctor to stay out of

trouble--or be wrong and hurt a patient.

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November 30, 2009

El a lot of Dr.'s do this work with Dr. by phone all you can do is ask your

Dr. to do this.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: mbmom123 <dbkczar@...>

> Subject: Re: Finding E2 sweet spot on TRT

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> Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 12:40 PM

> This assumes a doc would admit they

> did not know it all and was willing to learn? Thanks for the

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November 30, 2009

Dr. , could yo please elaborate on " ....notably that of

SHBG. "

Qhat effect doies Arimidex have on SHBG? Does Letrozole have the same effect?

Thanks for all you do.

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November 30, 2009

Thanks Dr and Phil, at least I know its not high E now. It doesnt feel like

high E, it just feels like a lot of testosterone.

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November 30, 2009

As Estradiol levels go up so can SHBG and SHBG binds up Testosterone so it is

not working in your body. For most men getting high levels of Estradiol down it

will lower SHBG and free up Testosterone.

Read this link it's full of good info.

http://www.griffinmedical.com/male_hormone_modulation_therapy.html

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: ihor n <ihor43us@...>

> Subject: Re: Finding E2 sweet spot on TRT

>

> Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 2:51 PM

> Dr. , could yo please elaborate

> on " ....notably that of

> SHBG. "

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> Qhat effect doies Arimidex have on SHBG? Does Letrozole

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November 30, 2009

Phil, do you get morning wood every single morning? With me, I was getting them

every second day....is this good enough, or should I be aiming for every day to

get the E in the right spot? I find it difficult to get wood as consistantly as

every day because say if i go too low, I get wood, take 1/8th of an arimidex and

the next day the wood is gone again, though often it will come back the day

after. Sometimes if I go too low, I can get wood and not even take an arimidex

and the next day the wood is gone.

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December 1, 2009

ARmidex for some people will lower the SHBG other people like my self it will

not do a darn thing because I had my e2 grounded into the ground for long time

and my shbg did not move. Again SHBG is just an indirect variable of other

things that should be investigated.

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December 1, 2009

Aromatase Inhibitors lower conversion of T to E. SHBG tends to move with E,

so SHBG can drop as well.

It's a double edge sword: more T is then available, but the same goes for E.

Be well!

Regards,

Crisler, DO

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if I remember right your not on TRT do you take Zinc and Copper this helps

keep Estradiol down. Or you can do like one of the guys at Dr. 's forum

dose he takes his Arimidex and gets it compounded into .05 or .1mg caps and

takes this everyday. I am going to go over this with my Dr. and try this. Here

is a copy of what Chilln dose with his arimidex.

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Most compounding pharmacies will require a prescription from a doctor, before

they do this.

Once your prescription says " 300 caps x 0.1mg " or " 600 caps x 0.05mg "

anastrozole " from 1 to 4 daily " , (anastrozole = generic arimidex) then they will

compound your arimidex, or generic anastrozole, and they will usually supply the

arimidex as compounded into the caps you require.

My compounding pharmacist was prepared to allow me to supply the arimidex too.

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your pharmacist to do this for you.

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for a half-a-box of arimidex, and most likely they'll charge for a whole box,

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In the last six days I have gone to high this fooled me big time I felt like I

was going to low. I lost wood and backed off my arimidex Thanksgiving morning I

had a bad Panic Attack this happens to me when my levels go very high. Yet I

was not feeling like I was to high no sore and hard nipples or sweating and

looking red.

So that morning I took 1mg. on Fri. morning I started feeling panic again so I

took .5 mgs this panic feeling goes away in about an hour after taking enough

arimidex. In all the yrs I have had this problem nothing would work even high

dose's of Xanax. On Sat I took .25 mgs because I had my wood back. Sun. was

not a bad day still felt off but Monday I had strong wood and felt panic again.

So I took .5 mgs. this morning and all last night I had good wood and I feel

much better.

Yes when I am in the Zone I get wood on the Dr.'s show ABC at 10am they were

talking about involuntary nocturnal erections that appear during REM (Rapid Eye

Movement) sleep. The Dr. said any age man can have up to 6 good ones a night

and if you don't have them or don't know if you do put some stamps around your

penis before going to bed is the break apart you had them. If not tell your Dr.

it means something is wrong. And they said if you get night time wood this

means your penis works and if you have ED problems they are not your penis but

can be your mind or hormones.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: <wizardd21@...>

> Subject: Re: Finding E2 sweet spot on TRT

>

> Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 6:14 PM

> Phil, do you get morning wood every

> single morning? With me, I was getting them every second

> day....is this good enough, or should I be aiming for every

> day to get the E in the right spot? I find it difficult to

> get wood as consistantly as every day because say if i go

> too low, I get wood, take 1/8th of an arimidex and the next

> day the wood is gone again, though often it will come back

> the day after. Sometimes if I go too low, I can get wood and

> not even take an arimidex and the next day the wood is

> gone.

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