Guest guest Posted February 22, 2001 Report Share Posted February 22, 2001 Lamar, I love that quote... I had not heard it before. I am going to start using it for myself. Thank you. Ruth Warren > , > Lamar here, > " Never be ashamed of the > temple you were given to live in " is my philosophy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2001 Report Share Posted February 22, 2001 In a message dated 2/22/2001 2:48:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, rmax@... writes: << . >>>>>>>Lamar, cripple is an offensive word no matter what any dictionary describes it as. Also your correct in that the word niger is a Latin word. But do you really think that when one uses that word against another, he stops and thinks, well lets see, its ok to use that word because it means black in latin? NO! And every time someone allows those words to be used, they perpetuate the use of those words. By allowing those words used on you and others because words don't bother you, this gives permission to the user to use them again. And the next time it may be to another who finds them offensive and hurtful. If your with your child/grandchild, neice/nephew or neighbors child, and someone uses those words and you just go on and ignore it, this shows that child you gave permission to use the words, therefore its ok for them to do so. And it goes on and on. And please, who cares that many don't realize that skin color does not determine race, that does not give them the right to call another a nigger if their skin color is dark! Thats a cop out. Sounds like alot of KKK crap. Using the bible and dictionary to back up what they do and say. I know you don't mean it that way, but it can read that way. Any way, Why allow the use of those terms when they are indeed offending to others? Why perpetuate the use of those words. Just another of my opinions, nothing personal, ~>Becky M. >> Well said Becky, also in my dictionary it says that the N word means a person of dark skin, but it also says that it is offensive. If we allow people to refer to someone who does not have a normal walk as a cripple, are we also going to refer to someone with diabates as " that diabetic " It could go on and on. No need to refer to a person with a description. Just as another human being. I'm not always going to be " a cripple " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2001 Report Share Posted February 22, 2001 Very well said, Lamar Have a good day! ----- Original Message ----- From: Lamar son Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [] Re: 'crippled'? , Lamar here, Words do not bother me, and no it would not bother me in the least if I was an African American, and someone called me the " N " word. (which actually originated from the Latin " niger (with a long i) " and means " black " . Many do not realize that skin color does not determine race. The African Pigmies and many native Aboriginal Australians are amongst the darkest skinned people on earth, and are Caucasians. I retired as a Registered Nurse. On literally hundreds of occasions I was referred to by various negative terms describing homosexual due to the fact that I was a male nurse and had a " funny walk " due to CMT. Why should the opinion of a stranger bother me? I have been overweight all my life, and do not like it, but terms others may use to describe my physical status are not my concern. I know I am. Let's look at the terms: Cripple: . a lame or partly disabled person or animal b : one that is disabled or deficient in a specified manner (from the Old English " cripple " meaning bent or abnormally shaped. Disabled: 1. unable to perform particular activities: used to describe somebody with a condition that makes it difficult to perform the basic tasks of daily life 2. unable to operate: incapable of performing or functioning Handicapped: having a physical or mental disability that substantially limits activity especially in relation to employment or education; While all three terms have a degree of accuracy for my physical condition due to my CMT, I honestly feel " cripple " describes it as accurate or more accurate than the other two. I do respect the opinion of others that may find it to be a negative term, but I do not. " Never be ashamed of the temple you were given to live in " is my philosophy. As I said, I frequently describe my physical self as old, fat, ugly, and crippled, ---for those that only want to know about a body, I could care less if that turns them away. If they want to know the person, I am much more, and they sometimes like that person. One of my dearest friends is a female about 1/3 my size, a gymnast, and black-belt in karate, and is 18 years younger than I am. Another is a female much younger than I am, and a large person with CMT. Our friendships did not depend on physical agility. As I said, I highly respect those of you that find the term to be negative, but to me it is not. Of all the problems I encounter in life, words are the least likely to bother me. ----- Original Message ----- From: ktbugg54@... Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 07:47 AM Subject: Re: [] Re: 'crippled'? In a message dated 2/21/2001 4:27:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, lls@... writes: << I have absolutely no problem with the article or the term. In fact I am thrilled that CMT got the excellent article. Let's face it, it is the tear-jerkers that will arouse public awareness. As to ther term " crippled " , I will be the first to say that I am old, fat, ugly, and crippled. In fact it much better describes CMT than many other terms. Handicapped can refer to mental, physical, or emotional. Disabled means " unable " . Crippled refers to the use of the extremeties. Actually, does it matter what term is used asa long as the point is gotten across? So, call me crippled, if that is the word you prefer, it makes me no less a person. >> It should matter to you. If you were African American, would you want people to call you a N? A person with any kind of disability is a " PERSON " They do not have to be referred to as a cripple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2001 Report Share Posted February 22, 2001 -----Original Message----- From: Lamar son <lls@...> < > Date: Thursday, February 22, 2001 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [] Re: 'crippled'? >, >Lamar here, > >Words do not bother me, and no it would not bother me in the least if I was >an African American, and someone called me the " N " word. (which actually >originated from the Latin " niger (with a long i) " and means " black " . Many >do not realize that skin color does not determine race. The African Pigmies >and many native Aboriginal Australians are amongst the darkest skinned >people on earth, and are Caucasians. I retired as a Registered Nurse. On >literally hundreds of occasions I was referred to by various negative terms >describing homosexual due to the fact that I was a male nurse and had a > " funny walk " due to CMT. Why should the opinion of a stranger bother me? I >have been overweight all my life, and do not like it, but terms others may >use to describe my physical status are not my concern. I know I am. > >Let's look at the terms: >Cripple: . a lame or partly disabled person or animal b : one that is >disabled or deficient in a specified manner (from the Old English " cripple " >meaning bent or abnormally shaped. > >Disabled: 1. unable to perform particular activities: used to describe >somebody with a condition that makes it difficult to perform the basic >tasks of daily life > >2. unable to operate: incapable of performing or functioning > > >Handicapped: having a physical or mental disability that substantially >limits activity especially in relation to employment or education; > >While all three terms have a degree of accuracy for my physical condition >due to my CMT, I honestly feel " cripple " describes it as accurate or more >accurate than the other two. I do respect the opinion of others that may >find it to be a negative term, but I do not. " Never be ashamed of the >temple you were given to live in " is my philosophy. As I said, I frequently >describe my physical self as old, fat, ugly, and crippled, ---for those that >only want to know about a body, I could care less if that turns them away. >If they want to know the person, I am much more, and they sometimes like >that person. One of my dearest friends is a female about 1/3 my size, a >gymnast, and black-belt in karate, and is 18 years younger than I am. >Another is a female much younger than I am, and a large person with CMT. >Our friendships did not depend on physical agility. > >As I said, I highly respect those of you that find the term to be negative, >but to me it is not. Of all the problems I encounter in life, words are the >least likely to bother me. >>>>>>>Lamar, cripple is an offensive word no matter what any dictionary describes it as. Also your correct in that the word niger is a Latin word. But do you really think that when one uses that word against another, he stops and thinks, well lets see, its ok to use that word because it means black in latin? NO! And every time someone allows those words to be used, they perpetuate the use of those words. By allowing those words used on you and others because words don't bother you, this gives permission to the user to use them again. And the next time it may be to another who finds them offensive and hurtful. If your with your child/grandchild, neice/nephew or neighbors child, and someone uses those words and you just go on and ignore it, this shows that child you gave permission to use the words, therefore its ok for them to do so. And it goes on and on. And please, who cares that many don't realize that skin color does not determine race, that does not give them the right to call another a nigger if their skin color is dark! Thats a cop out. Sounds like alot of KKK crap. Using the bible and dictionary to back up what they do and say. I know you don't mean it that way, but it can read that way. Any way, Why allow the use of those terms when they are indeed offending to others? Why perpetuate the use of those words. Just another of my opinions, nothing personal, ~>Becky M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2001 Report Share Posted February 22, 2001 Becky, I disagree in no way, my point is that it is the individual's mind that makes a word offensive. Words are merely symbols of society If a person sees " crippled " as offensive to them it is. I grew up in an area where older females were addressed using " Mam " , it was disrespectful not to say " Yes mam " etc. Yet an English neighbor informed me that the use was disrespectful and something only servants used to a mistress. BTW, I still say " yes mam " and Yes sir " and support the laws that make it a requirement in schools as some states have done, and my son is expected to show the same respect. The word crippled, as used in the article was technically correct, and described the condition of the people, in a manner that could be visualized by the reader. IMHO, the world would be a better place if we all looked inside and saw what part of us was offended by any particular word, and why a mere word should incite strong feelings. Just as a person should avoid terms that others find offensive, the receiver needs to examine why they feel that way. I will admit that it took a lot of personal growth for me to get to the point I did not choose to react in the manner a slur may have been intended. Just as no one makes us angry, we choose to become angry because of something---no word is offensive unless we choose to allow it to be. I am responsible for my own feelings as you are yours. You and others have every right to feel a word is offensive, but that does not mean that it is. I do make efforts to not use terms that I am aware that others object to, but can freely say I am crippled while I would not call you that. To me the important thing is that we all acknowledge that while some others may see the word as totally offensive, that there are many that do not; and neither is right or wrong. I have praised the Post for the article. It brought CMT to countless thousands of eyes. It mentioned some of the real problems. Not all, but many will know what CMT is the next time they hear the term. Some from reading it could possibly identify with the undiagnosed condition they have. Some feeling the plight may contribute to research. That one article presented more information about CMT to more eyes, than any other I have seen. I have even asked my local paper to pick it up and reprint. Think what would happen for those of us with CMT if every paper in America carried it!! Let's not pick it apart for one word, and look at the positive aspects. remember , if many complain, they are unlikely to ever carry similar articles. I hope everyone looks at the positive results and not a word we may not agree with. ----- Original Message ----- From: Maxwell Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 02:36 PM Subject: Re: [] Re: 'crippled'? -----Original Message----- From: Lamar son <lls@...> < > Date: Thursday, February 22, 2001 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [] Re: 'crippled'? >, >Lamar here, > >Words do not bother me, and no it would not bother me in the least if I was >an African American, and someone called me the " N " word. (which actually >originated from the Latin " niger (with a long i) " and means " black " . Many >do not realize that skin color does not determine race. The African Pigmies >and many native Aboriginal Australians are amongst the darkest skinned >people on earth, and are Caucasians. I retired as a Registered Nurse. On >literally hundreds of occasions I was referred to by various negative terms >describing homosexual due to the fact that I was a male nurse and had a > " funny walk " due to CMT. Why should the opinion of a stranger bother me? I >have been overweight all my life, and do not like it, but terms others may >use to describe my physical status are not my concern. I know I am. > >Let's look at the terms: >Cripple: . a lame or partly disabled person or animal b : one that is >disabled or deficient in a specified manner (from the Old English " cripple " >meaning bent or abnormally shaped. > >Disabled: 1. unable to perform particular activities: used to describe >somebody with a condition that makes it difficult to perform the basic >tasks of daily life > >2. unable to operate: incapable of performing or functioning > > >Handicapped: having a physical or mental disability that substantially >limits activity especially in relation to employment or education; > >While all three terms have a degree of accuracy for my physical condition >due to my CMT, I honestly feel " cripple " describes it as accurate or more >accurate than the other two. I do respect the opinion of others that may >find it to be a negative term, but I do not. " Never be ashamed of the >temple you were given to live in " is my philosophy. As I said, I frequently >describe my physical self as old, fat, ugly, and crippled, ---for those that >only want to know about a body, I could care less if that turns them away. >If they want to know the person, I am much more, and they sometimes like >that person. One of my dearest friends is a female about 1/3 my size, a >gymnast, and black-belt in karate, and is 18 years younger than I am. >Another is a female much younger than I am, and a large person with CMT. >Our friendships did not depend on physical agility. > >As I said, I highly respect those of you that find the term to be negative, >but to me it is not. Of all the problems I encounter in life, words are the >least likely to bother me. >>>>>>>Lamar, cripple is an offensive word no matter what any dictionary describes it as. Also your correct in that the word niger is a Latin word. But do you really think that when one uses that word against another, he stops and thinks, well lets see, its ok to use that word because it means black in latin? NO! And every time someone allows those words to be used, they perpetuate the use of those words. By allowing those words used on you and others because words don't bother you, this gives permission to the user to use them again. And the next time it may be to another who finds them offensive and hurtful. If your with your child/grandchild, neice/nephew or neighbors child, and someone uses those words and you just go on and ignore it, this shows that child you gave permission to use the words, therefore its ok for them to do so. And it goes on and on. And please, who cares that many don't realize that skin color does not determine race, that does not give them the right to call another a nigger if their skin color is dark! Thats a cop out. Sounds like alot of KKK crap. Using the bible and dictionary to back up what they do and say. I know you don't mean it that way, but it can read that way. Any way, Why allow the use of those terms when they are indeed offending to others? Why perpetuate the use of those words. Just another of my opinions, nothing personal, ~>Becky M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2001 Report Share Posted February 22, 2001 > I went to cripple children services as a kid. The therapist told me > the name > was changed to California Childrens Services because cripple was the > wrong word to use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2001 Report Share Posted February 22, 2001 In a message dated 2/22/2001 2:54:06 PM Pacific Standard Time, zenamarie123@... writes: > IMO !!!! can this please end.... > > > > We " Cripple " word haters win. So now its over. lol J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2001 Report Share Posted February 22, 2001 In a message dated 2/22/2001 12:54:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, lls@... writes: > Becky, > I disagree in no way, my point is that it is the individual's mind that > makes a word offensive. Words are merely symbols of society If a person > sees " crippled " as offensive to them it is. I grew up in an area where > older females were addressed using " Mam " , it was disrespectful not to say > " Yes mam " etc. Yet an English neighbor informed me that the use was > disrespectful and something only servants used to a mistress. BTW, I still > say " yes mam " and Yes sir " and support the laws that make it a requirement > in schools as some states have done, and my son is expected to show the same > respect. > > I think the word was Madame.??????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2001 Report Share Posted February 22, 2001 In a message dated 2/21/2001 9:22:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, UniqueCMT@... writes: > Then my sister and mother have called me " crippled " during arguments...of > course this only reminded me of hurtful times in junior high, even high > school. > Oh Kathy how kind of them. NOT ....... I have a cripple story too. I was staying at a friends house. She was much younger. She looked up to me. Her neighbors were outside and they started to call me the " name. " They wrote it in chalk on the street with arrows pointing to where I was staying. They wrote Cripple is staying there. I was so embraced when my Mom came the next day to get me. I thought she would read it. As it turns out years later the Mother of these mean kids was my bus driver. Every kid on that bus hated her. They all called her names and made fun of her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2001 Report Share Posted February 22, 2001 IMO !!!! can this please end.... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lamar son <lls@r...> > @y... <@y...> > Date: Thursday, February 22, 2001 11:24 AM > Subject: Re: [] Re: 'crippled'? > > > >, > >Lamar here, > > > >Words do not bother me, and no it would not bother me in the least if I was > >an African American, and someone called me the " N " word. (which actually > >originated from the Latin " niger (with a long i) " and means " black " . Many > >do not realize that skin color does not determine race. The African > Pigmies > >and many native Aboriginal Australians are amongst the darkest skinned > >people on earth, and are Caucasians. I retired as a Registered Nurse. On > >literally hundreds of occasions I was referred to by various negative > terms > >describing homosexual due to the fact that I was a male nurse and had a > > " funny walk " due to CMT. Why should the opinion of a stranger bother me? > I > >have been overweight all my life, and do not like it, but terms others may > >use to describe my physical status are not my concern. I know I am. > > > >Let's look at the terms: > >Cripple: . a lame or partly disabled person or animal b : one that is > >disabled or deficient in a specified manner (from the Old English " cripple " > >meaning bent or abnormally shaped. > > > >Disabled: 1. unable to perform particular activities: used to describe > >somebody with a condition that makes it difficult to perform the basic > >tasks of daily life > > > >2. unable to operate: incapable of performing or functioning > > > > > >Handicapped: having a physical or mental disability that substantially > >limits activity especially in relation to employment or education; > > > >While all three terms have a degree of accuracy for my physical condition > >due to my CMT, I honestly feel " cripple " describes it as accurate or more > >accurate than the other two. I do respect the opinion of others that may > >find it to be a negative term, but I do not. " Never be ashamed of the > >temple you were given to live in " is my philosophy. As I said, I > frequently > >describe my physical self as old, fat, ugly, and crippled, ---for those > that > >only want to know about a body, I could care less if that turns them away. > >If they want to know the person, I am much more, and they sometimes like > >that person. One of my dearest friends is a female about 1/3 my size, a > >gymnast, and black-belt in karate, and is 18 years younger than I am. > >Another is a female much younger than I am, and a large person with CMT. > >Our friendships did not depend on physical agility. > > > >As I said, I highly respect those of you that find the term to be negative, > >but to me it is not. Of all the problems I encounter in life, words are > the > >least likely to bother me. > > > > >>>>>>>Lamar, cripple is an offensive word no matter what any dictionary > describes it as. Also your correct in that the word niger is a Latin word. > But do you really think that when one uses that word against another, he > stops and thinks, well lets see, its ok to use that word because it means > black in latin? NO! > And every time someone allows those words to be used, they perpetuate > the use of those words. By allowing those words used on you and others > because words don't bother you, this gives permission to the user to use > them again. And the next time it may be to another who finds them offensive > and hurtful. If your with your child/grandchild, neice/nephew or neighbors > child, and someone uses those words and you just go on and ignore it, this > shows that child you gave permission to use the words, therefore its ok for > them to do so. And it goes on and on. And please, who cares that many > don't realize that skin color does not determine race, that does not give > them the right to call another a nigger if their skin color is dark! Thats > a cop out. Sounds like alot of KKK crap. Using the bible and dictionary > to back up what they do and say. I know you don't mean it that way, but it > can read that way. Any way, Why allow the use of those terms when they are > indeed offending to others? Why perpetuate the use of those words. Just > another of my opinions, nothing personal, ~>Becky M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2001 Report Share Posted February 22, 2001 -----Original Message----- From: zenamarie123@... <zenamarie123@...> < > Date: Thursday, February 22, 2001 4:44 PM Subject: [] Re: 'crippled'? >IMO !!!! can this please end.... > > >>>>>>>>>Regie, when everyone has stopped replying to and about it then it will end, until then guess the only other recourse is the delete key. Until which time another hot topic comes up! LOL, if it bothers you, just ignore it or delete it. We have these dicussions from time to time, everyone states their opinion, its not arguing. There are a lot of people on this list and any where you have a lot of people one has a lot of different opinions. Its not personal, ~>Becky M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2001 Report Share Posted February 22, 2001 -----Original Message----- From: ktbugg54@... <ktbugg54@...> < > Date: Thursday, February 22, 2001 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [] Re: 'crippled'? No need to refer to a person with a description. Just >as another human being. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>AMEN ! That one sentence says it all! ~>Becky M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2001 Report Share Posted February 23, 2001 , I sure do understand how you must have felt then...how horrible. But it seems those kids in the bus were a lot more mature and empathetic than that bus driver was! I really believe that many times it's the parent who perpetuates that kind of behavior in their children. What ashame! Kathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2001 Report Share Posted February 23, 2001 Connotations attached to words change over time - " sucker " etc. both to the good and the bad. Depending on your growing up time you have different feelings about using the words. To me cripple brings to mind Polio etc. This is neither good nor bad to me as I consider myself as slightly crippled from CMT. If cripple was used as a taunt for some when they grew up, I can accept that they feel bad about seeing it used. I suppose the Politically Correct modern useage would say CMT Challanged, but I really don't know what that means. Slightly CMT Crippled seems to define it for me. - EdM -----Original Message----- From: Gretchen Glick <liliwigg@...> < > Date: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 2:15 PM Subject: [] 'crippled'? >I am just wondering something. The Post CMT article mentioned the Kosovo >family and their 'crippled' family members. I am somewhat alarmed by the >use of that word in this/or any situation. Crippled to me seems to be >such an old, incorrect term. But are people still using it? Does this >strike anyone as odd or strange? Comments? ~ G > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2001 Report Share Posted March 3, 2001 HI I USALLY JUST READ BUT THIS TIME I HAD TO WRITE ABOUT THE W.POST ARTICLE I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR HOW YOU WROTE ABOUT CRIPPLED IF I GOT MAD ABOUT BEING CALLED CRIPPLED MY 9 YR.OLD DAUGHTER WOULD FEEL LIKE ITS WRONG TO BE DIFFERENT ATLEAST THE WORD CRIPPLED LETS PEOPLE KNOW YOUR NOT LAZY YOU HAVE CMT ALL MY LIFE I WAS CALLED LAZY BUT IT DOESNT MATTER HELP OTHERS UNDERSTAND ABOUT CMT GET IT ACROSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2001 Report Share Posted March 3, 2001 In a message dated 3/2/01 10:03:00 PM, ponnee@... writes: << AT LEAST THE WORD CRIPPLED LETS PEOPLE KNOW YOUR NOT LAZY >> That makes a lot of sense to me. Kat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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