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> My question for those who have been on this herb longer is .. Does

anyone

> experience stomach cramps?

Hi Carol,

In the product links I have read through, Gastrol-Intestinal problems

was cited as the most significant side-effect. When I looked it up, I

just typed " Cat's claw " into Google and it gave me 20,000 sites to

check. You may want to look for your specific company's information

online. Just add it to your search string.

As Kathy F. has to you, I concurr that it is best practice to tell

your rheumatologist what you are doing with this and any other

medication/herb.

Best wishes, brent

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Thank you...I am taking 6 Cat's Claw along with 12 of Andro, 12 Resveratrol &

tried a few drops of Samento and am home sick with no voice.

So far for me no improvement...Hoping..

Jay

[ ] Cat's Claw

Jay,

I tried the liquid Cat's Claw with unmanageable herx, but can tolerate the

CC capsules much better. I am still only at 5 per day, but have noticed a

huge relief from symptoms.

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Thanks.......Being home sick today with no voice may be result of increasing

Cat's Claw too fast....I was on 5/day & then tried liquid, 2 drops at dinner,

before bedtime then AM and now feel sick...My whole history has been that

nothing affects me...maybe because of lack of absorption due to past bowel

issues, but now my bowels are the best ever (age 57) I think due to Rifing & Red

Clay, so maybe everything is more powerful.

Little or no herxing from working Andro, Reserv up to 12/day...so I did not

expect anything from Cat's Claw.

Now for some improvements & not just herxing...I am taking Allimed concurrently.

THX,

Jay

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Thank you...I am taking 6 Cat's Claw along with 12 of Andro, 12 Resveratrol &

tried a few drops of Samento and am home sick with no voice.

So far for me no improvement...Hoping..

Jay

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i know no one can give medical advice but i am just wanting to know if anyone

has had any experience w/ cat's claw or any other herbs they found effective...

aside from this...

also have been on abx for 6 mos and beginning to get horrible stomach pains that

never seem to subside any suggestions about what to take to relieve this mylanta

and beano arent helping at all

any suggestions are welcome and appreciated

peace

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yeah we are on the FREE of everything diet too... so nice to talk to someone who

can relate !!and i have beeen taking abx ( a really great one all along) the

stomach pain is worse than the lyme symptoms and i need a break from these

abx you know?

From: laina pedro <Lainamariepedro>

Subject: [ ] cat's claw

Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 12:15 PM

 

i know no one can give medical advice but i am just wanting to know if anyone

has had any experience w/ cat's claw or any other herbs they found effective...

aside from this...

also have been on abx for 6 mos and beginning to get horrible stomach pains that

never seem to subside any suggestions about what to take to relieve this mylanta

and beano arent helping at all

any suggestions are welcome and appreciated

peace

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my younger daughter periodically says she feels like someone is stabbingher in

the stomach.  The whole thing is just no fun.  What does your doctor say?

From: laina pedro <Lainamariepedro>

Subject: [ ] cat's claw

Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 12:15 PM

 

i know no one can give medical advice but i am just wanting to know if anyone

has had any experience w/ cat's claw or any other herbs they found effective...

aside from this...

also have been on abx for 6 mos and beginning to get horrible stomach pains that

never seem to subside any suggestions about what to take to relieve this mylanta

and beano arent helping at all

any suggestions are welcome and appreciated

peace

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just to take mylanta and beano... not very helpful :(

From: laina pedro <Lainamariepedro>

Subject: [ ] cat's claw

Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 12:15 PM

 

i know no one can give medical advice but i am just wanting to know if anyone

has had any experience w/ cat's claw or any other herbs they found effective...

aside from this...

also have been on abx for 6 mos and beginning to get horrible stomach pains that

never seem to subside any suggestions about what to take to relieve this mylanta

and beano arent helping at all

any suggestions are welcome and appreciated

peace

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dr. zhang's site doesn't mention where i can buy any herbs 

 dr cowden's does mention the names of what to take... but where do you get

this stuff? the healthffod store?

please give more info if possible as i would like to buy these products as soon

as possiblethank you :)

From: Annie <akannielm (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: [ ] cat's claw

Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 5:22 PM

 

Probiotics were a must for us too. My daughter also got costipated at times

which caused her trouble. At first I gave her tums like stuff and found out that

makes it worse, so her doc gave her Glutathione. But unless you know why you're

having the stomach pain you can't really treat it.

If you interested in Herbal remedies ask you LLMD about the Cowden Protocol or

Zhang herbs. Cowden worked for my daughter in conjunction with antibiotics. Now

she no longer needs ab and only takes a cowden regimin. The Zhang herbs worked

for me.

Good luck to you!

Annie

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From: laina pedro <Lainamariepedro>

Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 3:15:07 PM

Subject: [ ] cat's claw

 

i know no one can give medical advice but i am just wanting to know if anyone

has had any experience w/ cat's claw or any other herbs they found effective...

aside from this...

also have been on abx for 6 mos and beginning to get horrible stomach pains that

never seem to subside any suggestions about what to take to relieve this mylanta

and beano arent helping at all

any suggestions are welcome and appreciated

peace

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ok, i understand :)i will def ask my gp to contact dr horowitzand one last

question....where do you pick up these " prescriptions "

and one last thing...do you have any experience w/ cats claw?

thank you

From: Annie <akannielm (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: [ ] cat's claw

Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 5:22 PM

 

Probiotics were a must for us too. My daughter also got costipated at times

which caused her trouble. At first I gave her tums like stuff and found out that

makes it worse, so her doc gave her Glutathione. But unless you know why you're

having the stomach pain you can't really treat it.

If you interested in Herbal remedies ask you LLMD about the Cowden Protocol or

Zhang herbs. Cowden worked for my daughter in conjunction with antibiotics. Now

she no longer needs ab and only takes a cowden regimin. The Zhang herbs worked

for me.

Good luck to you!

Annie

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From: laina pedro <Lainamariepedro>

Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 3:15:07 PM

Subject: [ ] cat's claw

 

i know no one can give medical advice but i am just wanting to know if anyone

has had any experience w/ cat's claw or any other herbs they found effective...

aside from this...

also have been on abx for 6 mos and beginning to get horrible stomach pains that

never seem to subside any suggestions about what to take to relieve this mylanta

and beano arent helping at all

any suggestions are welcome and appreciated

peace

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mary..are these herbs you have purchased at the health food store?are you taking

cats claw?

From: on <maryha@...>

Subject: [ ] Re:cat's claw

Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 8:25 AM

 

I recommend that you read Buhner's book " Healing Lyme " . He

outlines an herbal protocol in the book and provides lots of information about

the herbs and research that backs up his recommendations. I've been on

Buhner's core protocol plus since October and have been getting better with very

few side effects.

Some of the components of the Zhang and Cowden protocols are similar to Buhner's

so you can compare. I have not tried Zhang or Cowden protocols. Some of thier

products are proprietary blends which I thought made it more difficult to

research what you're taking.

Information on the Cowden Protocol is available on the Nutramedix website:

http://www.bionatus .com/nutramedix/ pages/lymepage. html

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I don't know anything about cat's claw. the herbs I mentioned don't need a

prescription but our LLMD would look at our stmptoms and what co-infections we

had along with how our bodies were tolerating other meds etc. before they made a

decision on what regimin we should be on, that's why I suggested you have your

doc contact Dr. Horowitz. From what I could tell over the years my daughter and

I were treated, was that Lyme treatment is not an easy thing. there are so many

variables to consider which is why I think it's dangerous to try to treat it

yourself. We got our Zhang and Cowden herbs from Dr. Horowitz. He sold them at a

discounted rate. Maybe the websites that were mentioned to you would have a

link. I'm sure Dr. Horowitz would tell your GP where to get them as well. You

could also ask your local health food store if they would order them, but I

suspect that would be a fairly expensive way to go.

Annie

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From: laina pedro <Lainamariepedro@...>

Sent: Thu, January 7, 2010 7:31:42 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] cat's claw

 

ok, i understand :)i will def ask my gp to contact dr horowitzand one last

question.... where do you pick up these " prescriptions "

and one last thing...do you have any experience w/ cats claw?

thank you

From: Annie <akannielm (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: [ ] cat's claw

Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 5:22 PM

 

Probiotics were a must for us too. My daughter also got costipated at times

which caused her trouble. At first I gave her tums like stuff and found out that

makes it worse, so her doc gave her Glutathione. But unless you know why you're

having the stomach pain you can't really treat it.

If you interested in Herbal remedies ask you LLMD about the Cowden Protocol or

Zhang herbs. Cowden worked for my daughter in conjunction with antibiotics. Now

she no longer needs ab and only takes a cowden regimin. The Zhang herbs worked

for me.

Good luck to you!

Annie

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From: laina pedro <Lainamariepedro>

Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 3:15:07 PM

Subject: [ ] cat's claw

 

i know no one can give medical advice but i am just wanting to know if anyone

has had any experience w/ cat's claw or any other herbs they found effective...

aside from this...

also have been on abx for 6 mos and beginning to get horrible stomach pains that

never seem to subside any suggestions about what to take to relieve this mylanta

and beano arent helping at all

any suggestions are welcome and appreciated

peace

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Yes I've been taking Cat's Claw just over 3 months with no side effects. I take

a dose much larger than the label specifies as I am following the Buhner

protocol. Cat's Claw is one of the major components of the core protocol. I

take tons of supplements and I get these and most of the herbs online, usually

from iherb. They offer quantity discounts! I get some stuff at Whole Foods

too, not sure if they have Cat's Claw. The brand I use is Natures Way, 485 mg

capsules and I'm currently taking 16 of these a day. Buhner's book, Healing

Lyme, has an excellent section on Cat's Claw that includes references to many

studies. It also discusses the TOA/POA controversy. Samento, used in the

Cowden protocol, is TOA free Cat's Claw. Buhner's book reviews this controversy

and makes an intelligent case for using the whole bark, Cat's Claw, formula.

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Annie

Didi you actually take your daughter to dr horowitz or did you just have him

consult w/ your dr?

I am considering making an appt but I am not sure of thecharges or if ins will

cover any of it... usually my ins does not allow me to go out of state... :(

please keep in touchpeace

From: Annie <akannielm (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: [ ] cat's claw

Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 5:22 PM

 

Probiotics were a must for us too. My daughter also got costipated at times

which caused her trouble. At first I gave her tums like stuff and found out that

makes it worse, so her doc gave her Glutathione. But unless you know why you're

having the stomach pain you can't really treat it.

If you interested in Herbal remedies ask you LLMD about the Cowden Protocol or

Zhang herbs. Cowden worked for my daughter in conjunction with antibiotics. Now

she no longer needs ab and only takes a cowden regimin. The Zhang herbs worked

for me.

Good luck to you!

Annie

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From: laina pedro <Lainamariepedro>

Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 3:15:07 PM

Subject: [ ] cat's claw

 

i know no one can give medical advice but i am just wanting to know if anyone

has had any experience w/ cat's claw or any other herbs they found effective...

aside from this...

also have been on abx for 6 mos and beginning to get horrible stomach pains that

never seem to subside any suggestions about what to take to relieve this mylanta

and beano arent helping at all

any suggestions are welcome and appreciated

peace

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We both saw Dr. Horowitz as well as his PA, Fallon. The initial visit is

very costly but also lasts at least 2 hours. They always take their time with

each patient. I paid for all of my daughter's medical costs out of pocket since

her insurance wasn't accepted either. I'm a single mom on disability, but you do

what you have to get your kids the help they need. They did help me by lowering

the costs of suppliments and doc visits. they also have an option for phone

consultation which is cheaper as well, but not for the first visit.

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From: laina pedro <Lainamariepedro@...>

Sent: Sat, January 9, 2010 11:38:03 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] cat's claw

 

Annie

Didi you actually take your daughter to dr horowitz or did you just have him

consult w/ your dr?

I am considering making an appt but I am not sure of thecharges or if ins will

cover any of it... usually my ins does not allow me to go out of state... :(

please keep in touchpeace

From: Annie <akannielm (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: [ ] cat's claw

Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 5:22 PM

 

Probiotics were a must for us too. My daughter also got costipated at times

which caused her trouble. At first I gave her tums like stuff and found out that

makes it worse, so her doc gave her Glutathione. But unless you know why you're

having the stomach pain you can't really treat it.

If you interested in Herbal remedies ask you LLMD about the Cowden Protocol or

Zhang herbs. Cowden worked for my daughter in conjunction with antibiotics. Now

she no longer needs ab and only takes a cowden regimin. The Zhang herbs worked

for me.

Good luck to you!

Annie

____________ _________ _________ __

From: laina pedro <Lainamariepedro>

Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 3:15:07 PM

Subject: [ ] cat's claw

 

i know no one can give medical advice but i am just wanting to know if anyone

has had any experience w/ cat's claw or any other herbs they found effective...

aside from this...

also have been on abx for 6 mos and beginning to get horrible stomach pains that

never seem to subside any suggestions about what to take to relieve this mylanta

and beano arent helping at all

any suggestions are welcome and appreciated

peace

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Annie...

My gosh our situations are very similar...

I have been unable to work due to lyme but I am not rec any benefits and my son

has it as well although his was caught early on and he is symptom free

Needless to say we were approved for food stamps on Monday and income is a

challenging situation right now...

Do you remember how much your initial visit cost? Is there any financial aid?

Thanks for all the info Enjoy your weekendpeace :)Laina

From: Annie <akannielm (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: [ ] cat's claw

Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 5:22 PM

 

Probiotics were a must for us too. My daughter also got costipated at times

which caused her trouble. At first I gave her tums like stuff and found out that

makes it worse, so her doc gave her Glutathione. But unless you know why you're

having the stomach pain you can't really treat it.

If you interested in Herbal remedies ask you LLMD about the Cowden Protocol or

Zhang herbs. Cowden worked for my daughter in conjunction with antibiotics. Now

she no longer needs ab and only takes a cowden regimin. The Zhang herbs worked

for me.

Good luck to you!

Annie

____________ _________ _________ __

From: laina pedro <Lainamariepedro>

Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 3:15:07 PM

Subject: [ ] cat's claw

 

i know no one can give medical advice but i am just wanting to know if anyone

has had any experience w/ cat's claw or any other herbs they found effective...

aside from this...

also have been on abx for 6 mos and beginning to get horrible stomach pains that

never seem to subside any suggestions about what to take to relieve this mylanta

and beano arent helping at all

any suggestions are welcome and appreciated

peace

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I would double check on this, but I think they've raised their initial cost to

$850 or $900. I know, it's nuts and feels completely undoable. There is help if

the visit is for your son, it's called Lyme Aid for Kids Fund. Info is on the

Lyme Disease Association website. But there isn't any for adults that I know of.

They ask for half down when you make the appt. A local church might be willing

to help or even a Salvation Army in your area. If you can get on disability,

they do take medicare. then the office visits are only an $18 copay, but that

first one's a hurdle. I know it feels overwhelming.

all the best to you,

Annie

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From: laina pedro <Lainamariepedro@...>

Sent: Sun, January 10, 2010 7:04:19 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] cat's claw

 

Annie...

My gosh our situations are very similar...

I have been unable to work due to lyme but I am not rec any benefits and my son

has it as well although his was caught early on and he is symptom free

Needless to say we were approved for food stamps on Monday and income is a

challenging situation right now...

Do you remember how much your initial visit cost? Is there any financial aid?

Thanks for all the info Enjoy your weekendpeace :)Laina

From: Annie <akannielm (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: [ ] cat's claw

Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 5:22 PM

 

Probiotics were a must for us too. My daughter also got costipated at times

which caused her trouble. At first I gave her tums like stuff and found out that

makes it worse, so her doc gave her Glutathione. But unless you know why you're

having the stomach pain you can't really treat it.

If you interested in Herbal remedies ask you LLMD about the Cowden Protocol or

Zhang herbs. Cowden worked for my daughter in conjunction with antibiotics. Now

she no longer needs ab and only takes a cowden regimin. The Zhang herbs worked

for me.

Good luck to you!

Annie

____________ _________ _________ __

From: laina pedro <Lainamariepedro>

Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 3:15:07 PM

Subject: [ ] cat's claw

 

i know no one can give medical advice but i am just wanting to know if anyone

has had any experience w/ cat's claw or any other herbs they found effective...

aside from this...

also have been on abx for 6 mos and beginning to get horrible stomach pains that

never seem to subside any suggestions about what to take to relieve this mylanta

and beano arent helping at all

any suggestions are welcome and appreciated

peace

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Thank you so much Annie :)Peace

From: Annie <akannielm (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: [ ] cat's claw

Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 5:22 PM

 

Probiotics were a must for us too. My daughter also got costipated at times

which caused her trouble. At first I gave her tums like stuff and found out that

makes it worse, so her doc gave her Glutathione. But unless you know why you're

having the stomach pain you can't really treat it.

If you interested in Herbal remedies ask you LLMD about the Cowden Protocol or

Zhang herbs. Cowden worked for my daughter in conjunction with antibiotics. Now

she no longer needs ab and only takes a cowden regimin. The Zhang herbs worked

for me.

Good luck to you!

Annie

____________ _________ _________ __

From: laina pedro <Lainamariepedro>

Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 3:15:07 PM

Subject: [ ] cat's claw

 

i know no one can give medical advice but i am just wanting to know if anyone

has had any experience w/ cat's claw or any other herbs they found effective...

aside from this...

also have been on abx for 6 mos and beginning to get horrible stomach pains that

never seem to subside any suggestions about what to take to relieve this mylanta

and beano arent helping at all

any suggestions are welcome and appreciated

peace

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Thank you very much for your responses, this is very helpful.  The reason for

raising the dosage was to see how much better I can get.  While I have improved

significantly, I am by no means well.  However, it would appear that the dose I

was taking was too much of a good thing.

Ross

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I've been on this now since July. I'm better. My drops also contain other

herbs. Lymeover

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[ ] Re: Cat's Claw

> My notes say that a two-week break should happen after being on Cat's Claw for

3 months, but I don't remember where I read that info so am not sure it is

reliable.

catsclaw can be hard on the liver, so maybe it is a good idea to take a break

after a few months. But I don't think it is really necessary. Many have used it

on a continuous basis.

> Also, my dd is on Cat's Claw tincture at 18 drops 2x day. She worked up to

this amount slowly. Is this considered full dose per Buhner for a 100 lb child

(I know it is hard to convert mg to drops but roughly at least at full dose?)

and

apparently you are using Samento or a similar product, and not the catsclaw

(bulk herb) that Buhner recommends. It is impossible to translate these dosages,

just work up to the maximum you can take, or the maximum recommended by the

manufacturer, and try to keep that for a few months.

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** catsclaw can be hard on the liver**

I didn't know that. I think I will give her a two-week break. I don't think

that is too long to cause a setback.

** apparently you are using Samento or a similar product, and not the catsclaw

(bulk herb) that Buhner recommends.**

She's on Herb Pharm Cat's Claw. She can't swallow pills, so I had to find a way

to get the cat's claw into her. She is also on other tinctures (knotweed) and

was on eleuthero (this was stopped due to having no noticeable effect on her,

other than increasing her fatigue!) I may try the bulk herb and mix it into

applesauce to see if she gets a different reaction to it.

**It is impossible to translate these dosages, just work up to the maximum you

can take, or the maximum recommended by the manufacturer, and try to keep that

for a few months.**

Good point and this makes sense--18 drops is just slightly below 3/4 dose of

what is recommended for an adult, and this seems to be a good amount for her.

Thanks for your help!

Mira

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> I've been on this now since July. I'm better. My drops also contain other

herbs. Lymeover

How many drops have you been able to get to? Any idea what the percentage of

cat's claw is in the tincture? What other herbs are in the tincture?

Do you feel comfortable sharing the name of the product you are using?

Congratulations on your success in feeling better--I can't wait until I can say

that regarding my child!

Mira

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