Re: Digest Number 135

July 30, 1999

unscribe me please

October 14, 1999

Ok, I can't stand it anymore. Even in Digest form there are so many emails

that go on an on about the same topic... without taking a step forward...

I would just like to ask this of us all, if for some reason anyone has an

issue with another's opinion or what they have stated, and what they want to

say to that person is purely directed to the individual & not the entire

list as a community, PLEASE direct it to them personally. Not only is it

time consuming and ridiculous to pull us all into it, it is a little bit

kinder to that individual. Furthermore, though, there is no need to attack

anyone on here, as how I interpreted some of the recent emails.

Thanks, and please if you don't agree and want to tell me something in

response, do so privately.

Now on a lighter note...

Regarding the term " midget " , and whether or not the term should be erased

form all types of leagues, teams, or any label in group of people or things

in society...

what about those small pickles in the grocery store??? ( " Sweet Midgets " I

think they're called)

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....

Thanks for your time!

October 14, 1999

:

I have moved on, but to let you know that one can still get a lot of emails

just from a lot of people writing a particular day about a certain topic.

Since I would imagine there is quite a number of people subscribed to this

listserv. :-)

Helen

October 14, 1999

Hello,

I really do not think anyone was being attacked. If that was the

case. You probably should of sent your E-mail to the people who were doing

the attacking.

Instead of sending it to all of the members. Also why do we have a

list surve if we can not voice our opinion. Thank You,

,

>From: " Masterson " <katrink0@...>

>

>Ok, I can't stand it anymore. Even in Digest form there are so many emails

>that go on an on about the same topic... without taking a step forward...

>I would just like to ask this of us all, if for some reason anyone has an

>issue with another's opinion or what they have stated, and what they want to

>say to that person is purely directed to the individual & not the entire

>list as a community, PLEASE direct it to them personally. Not only is it

>time consuming and ridiculous to pull us all into it, it is a little bit

>kinder to that individual. Furthermore, though, there is no need to attack

>anyone on here, as how I interpreted some of the recent emails.

>Thanks, and please if you don't agree and want to tell me something in

>response, do so privately.

>

>Now on a lighter note...

>Regarding the term " midget " , and whether or not the term should be erased

>form all types of leagues, teams, or any label in group of people or things

>in society...

>what about those small pickles in the grocery store??? ( " Sweet Midgets " I

>think they're called)

>Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....

>

>Thanks for your time!

>

December 18, 1999

I am new to this site and would like to ask a question or two.

Is there a test to find out if you have any parasites in you intestinal

tract? If so what is the name of the test and where can one go for these

tests?

Is there a test for your vitamin and minerals in your system? Again, what is

the name of the test and where can I go to have this done?

Thank you and Happy Holidays to all.

Melodie

December 18, 1999

Tests for parsasites are pretty standard tests of stool along with tests for

blood or pathogens. To the best of my knowledge you have to have a doctor

approve them. They are not a barrel of fun to have. Usually, they are

given to you if the doctor thinks there is something in there or if you have

some condition for way longer than you should have. For instance, I just

had diarrhea for 5 weeks after switching from being a vegetarian to the Type

O diet. So they ran the full batch of stool tests and there was nothing

unwelcome in there. When I switched to eating vegetables fish and a little

meat, instead of vegetables, meat and a little fish, the problem went away.

I must be some kind of fisherwoman Type O.

Aikya

Re: Digest Number 135

> From: Ressapea@...

>

> I am new to this site and would like to ask a question or two.

>

> Is there a test to find out if you have any parasites in you intestinal

> tract? If so what is the name of the test and where can one go for these

> tests?

>

> Is there a test for your vitamin and minerals in your system? Again, what

is

> the name of the test and where can I go to have this done?

>

> Thank you and Happy Holidays to all.

> Melodie

>

> >

December 19, 1999

Hi Melodie, I will reply to your questions based upon my experience.

In a message dated 12/18/99 8:07:08 AM Pacific Standard Time,

Ressapea@... writes:

<< From: Ressapea@...

I am new to this site and would like to ask a question or two.

Is there a test to find out if you have any parasites in you intestinal

tract? Conventional alopathic stool tests are normally inconclusive, they

only indicate if you are eliminating when they are tasken! Muscle testing

will tell you if you have any parasites in you intestinal tract. The body

does not lie! Don't be surprised if it does confirm parasites! They are very

common. A good naturopath should be able to test you. If none is available, a

good NAET practitioner should be able to tell you and treat you for them. See

www.naet.com

If so what is the name of the test and where can one go for these

tests? Check the practitioner locator on the website.

Is there a test for your vitamin and minerals in your system? Doctors Data

in Chicago do 24hr. urinalysis tests.

Again, what is

the name of the test and where can I go to have this done? If you cannot

find a practitioner with one of their kits they will send you one.

Thank you and Happy Holidays to all.

Melodie >>

Merry Christmas,

Murray

February 9, 2000

I didn't know you can buy citric acid at a winemaking store! My family

wants seconds - I made fizzies for gifts. I paid way too much for the

bottles of citric acid I got at a health food store after searching many

cities around here. Winemaking store - who would have known! I am

excited - thanks for the lead!

A. Pasch (mpasch@...)

February 18, 2000

Hi to everyone from Paolo

I would like to know opinions about the Beck's protocol.

Has anyone of you tried it? If yes, with what results?

Thanks

---- you wrote:

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> ---------------------------

April 30, 2000

I would not automatically agree with Claudine, or wait until the biopsy,

although I agree with the basic idea behind it. The reasons I do not

fully agree are that, as of right now, the peg treatment has not

received full approval, and there is a chance, however small, it may not

get approved.

Additionally, it appears that the peg treatment may only be used for

those that have failed previous treatments, but that is still not known.

Also, if it does, your insurance company may not agree that it is an

accepted treatment. Also, it has a failure rate the same as all other

therapies.

There are pros and cons about taking or not taking treatment, no matter

what your genotype is. While the 1a and 1bs are the least responsive to

the combo, if you are one of the ones that does respond, then who cares

what the statistics say. If you do not, you may have bought yourself

time by trying the other therapy, or you could get quasi-species that

might increase your viral count.

The only positive aspect of that, is that you then qualify for high

induction interferon, similar to the idea behind the peg. Also, if you

wait, the virus may do nothing, or, if it is destructive, it may be

increasing in it's liver destruction while you wait. If you take the

combo, it may hold everything in check, or, place you into remission, or

whatever. The treatment is not pleasant, but, the long term consequences

of liver disease are worse.

Just like some have not been able to tolerate the combo therapy due to

their blood tests, you may not also be able to tolerate the peg, if you

qualify. These are all tough decisions, and none of us can predict the

future. Claudine has been an excellent source of information for this

list, and we have all seen and felt different opinions.

I have one patient that took the interferon only many years back. He had

every risk factor possible to get the disease including IV drugs,

snorting of coke, blood transfusions, heavy drinking, etc. But, his

viral loads are still undectable, and his liver functions are normal.

So, go figure.

Medically, there are no absolute rights or wrong until you try and find

out for yourself. Find out as much as you can, and then you have to take

your best guess. My wife finishes her combo in 1 week. She has had an

undetectable viral load since week 1. It has been rough on both of us,

her as the patient of the disease and treatment, and me as her spouse

that has tried to comfort, support, and keep my own worries to myself,

as well as handle the lack of being able to make any plans for the last

year because I do not know how she'll feel, mood swings, etc. But, if it

works, all of it will have been worth this year of hell. If not, at

least we tried and we'll take the next step as it comes.

Good luck in whatever you decide and keep us informed. Marty

May 1, 2000

In a message dated 4/27/00 10:41:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

egroups writes:

<< ertaianly people will never know unless they know to ask. There is no one

at the stateline welcome centers with this info. >>

Hi All,

Just returned from Clearwater, Fla. to fulfill my " family religious

obligation " ....my SIL treated me like a queen and I didn't do ANYTHING but

have a good time the whole 4 days I was there! virtually ignored me (he

was mad, I guess) for the first one hour or so when I got back!

Had to answer this one post, though......when was first born 7 yrs. ago,

we were DENIED any kind of SSI or Medicaid because it was based on HOUSEHOLD

INCOME......through our County's MHMR program, also where attended ECI

the first 3 yrs., we were assigned a caseworker.

When the laws changed about a year or so ago, it was the caseworker who

informed me to sign up for Medicaid....when I told her we had already been

denied, she said that they now have implemented a program for disabled kids

(MUST have the MR diagnosis too) that goes by the CHILD'S INCOME and not

household.....I know I've mentioned this before, and I also know that not ALL

states have this...it is NOT federally funded.

A list is a wonderful idea, but if everyone on this list can call their local

Mental Health/Mental Retardation Services or Dept. of Human Services, they

should be able to tell you if it is available.

Hope this helps.....and also, prayers needed for DH who is going in tomorrow

for a colonoscopy (sp?). We are hoping for " negative " results, if you catch

my drift......

Regards,

May 1, 2000

In a message dated 4/27/00 10:41:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

egroups writes:

<< ashton is

GONE!!!!she undid the chain and key lock and escaped.. >>

OMG.....Leah, just catching up on emails.......sounds like you need more than

chains and bolts to keep that kid inside! What about some kind of alarm

system? Someone hear said Radio Shack had something......

My heart was beating reading that post.....I was hoping it would turn out

okay as I kept reading!

Thank God she's okay........

May 1, 2000

yes mine still beats every time i turn around and cant find her........ i am

going to resort to putting a foot bracelet on her like house arrested

inmates use....lololo leah

May 1, 2000

- Thanks for the info - what state are you in??

It always helps if one knows the law. Then the caseworker will not be working

in the dark - remember those laws are convoluted and many caseworkers are

newbies who are just reading the writing on their diplomas!1 They need all the

help we can give them!

Sara

>>> Ltb3105@... - 05/01/0 6:45 PM >>>

In a message dated 4/27/00 10:41:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

egroups writes:

<< ertaianly people will never know unless they know to ask. There is no one

at the stateline welcome centers with this info. >>

Hi All,

Just returned from Clearwater, Fla. to fulfill my " family religious

obligation " ....my SIL treated me like a queen and I didn't do ANYTHING but

have a good time the whole 4 days I was there! virtually ignored me (he

was mad, I guess) for the first one hour or so when I got back!

Had to answer this one post, though......when was first born 7 yrs. ago,

we were DENIED any kind of SSI or Medicaid because it was based on HOUSEHOLD

INCOME......through our County's MHMR program, also where attended ECI

the first 3 yrs., we were assigned a caseworker.

When the laws changed about a year or so ago, it was the caseworker who

informed me to sign up for Medicaid....when I told her we had already been

denied, she said that they now have implemented a program for disabled kids

(MUST have the MR diagnosis too) that goes by the CHILD'S INCOME and not

household.....I know I've mentioned this before, and I also know that not ALL

states have this...it is NOT federally funded.

A list is a wonderful idea, but if everyone on this list can call their local

Mental Health/Mental Retardation Services or Dept. of Human Services, they

should be able to tell you if it is available.

Hope this helps.....and also, prayers needed for DH who is going in tomorrow

for a colonoscopy (sp?). We are hoping for " negative " results, if you catch

my drift......

Regards,

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IKES WOULD BE NO GOOD SARA!!!!!!!! i need something to work in yard

too////////// well maybe we should brainstorm and invent one........... take

care, leah

May 1, 2000

Those bracelets are available - tried them. They are sold for Alzheimer

patients and prisoners. Trouble is that they only good if you have your house

maarked for them. No good outside the house.

Sara

>>> okieleah@... - 05/01/0 8:53 PM >>>

yes mine still beats every time i turn around and cant find her........ i am

going to resort to putting a foot bracelet on her like house arrested

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May 3, 2000

Add Arkansas to your list of states with Medicaid waiver (medicaid paid

" personal care service. " ) In past months I'd mentioned medicaid pays for

all my son's diapers (since he was 3 years old--delivered right to my

doorstep once a month!). He also gets quite a bit of therapy, and friends

from other states have told me that Arkansas has its faults, but it

certainly is good to children with disabilities. I'd find out what other

states offered similar services and go there first, though. AR DOES have

lots of ignorance and poverty and high teenage pregnancies and, and,

and.... F.

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September 2, 2000

Dotsie thanks for that info. I will check out those sites. The

ozonator I have is from the Hulda site. So according to Beck it

is dangerous, but a lot of folks are using these with good results

apparently. A lot more reading to do it seems. pj

egroups wrote:

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> 1. Re: Digest Number 134

> From: Henry <pj20844@...>

> 2. Re: Digest Number 134

> From: NYlabs@...

> 3. Ozonator

> From: DotsieBoo@...

> 4. New machine

> From: <linda904@...>

> 5. Re: New machine

> From: Ritz3131@...

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> Message: 1

> Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 11:12:51 -0700

> From: Henry <pj20844@...>

> Subject: Re: Digest Number 134

>

> Listers, Does anyone have any experience with the ozonator? How much

> should a person with cancer drink per day? How long should the water be

> treated? Does longer treatment time result in more oxygen being

> delivered to the body? Re ozonated olive oil--about how long per ounce

> should the oil be treated? Any info, experiences, or thoughts on

> treatment of cancer appreciated. pj

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> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:44:00 EDT

> From: NYlabs@...

> Subject: Re: Digest Number 134

>

> In a message dated 9/1/00 2:05:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pj20844@...

> writes:

>

> << Does anyone have any experience with the ozonator? >>

> What type of unit do you have? According to Beck, he would drink it all day

> long. Ozonated water gets ozone into your GI tract, which is good for you in

> the proper quantity. This website has tons of information on ozonators -

> click on Vapozone (interesting). http://healingtools.tripod.com/linksi.html

>

> Ozonated olive oil can be used topically on virtually any skin condition, or

> for an underlying problem in a specific location. Also can be used as a

> suppository, or swallow some. But, according to a man who makes ozonated

> olive oil commercially, it takes a medical ozonator (with much higher output

> than a UV bulb) 2 weeks to make olive oil stiffen. Also, you have to use

> oxygen from a tank or O2 concentrator as the supply gas. If you use air, as

> in using an aquarium pump without an O2 tank, then you also get trace

> quantities of nitrogen compounds also altered by the ozone. One of them

> becomes nitric acid when it contacts the moisture of your mucous membranes.

>

> Saul Pressman sells Ozonated Olive Oil http://www.plasmafire.com

> The website is under construction now.

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> Message: 3

> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 17:53:22 EDT

> From: DotsieBoo@...

> Subject: Ozonator

>

> I never did this part of the protocol because I find the " cold corona

> electrical discharge " debate confusing.

>

> Here is what Bob Beck said in an interview:

> LE: Bob, would you address ozone machines. Lots of people have these.

>

> Bob: There are devices on sale even as we speak that put out toxic amounts of

> ozone into the air. These devices are lethal. You can drink ozonized water.

> You can inject ozone into your blood. You can take rectal enemas and get the

> ozone into your system through your intestines, but you cannot breathe it. If

> you breathe it, it is toxic! If you can smell the slightest traces of ozone

> in the air, that means there is more than the .06 parts per million allowed

> by OSHA. These devices will oxidize your lung tissue, causing hemorrhaging,

> impairment and swelling. Do not breathe ozone! And still, the FDA allows

> these devices to be sold because that helps to give holistic medicine a bad

> name.

>

> Russ makes a wonderful ozone generator. It has a charcoal filter that

> reabsorbs the ozone as it bubbles through the water so it can't be breathed

> in. The other ozonizers you see are usually using ultraviolet, which is only

> 2% effective. When you use cold corona electrical discharge to make ozone,

> you are not turning the nitrogen in the air into nitrous oxide and nitric

> acid by-products. In other words, you are not killing yourself.

>

> Dotsie

>

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> Message: 4

> Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 18:32:17 EDT

> From: <linda904@...>

> Subject: New machine

>

> Dear Friends,

> This is to share my experiences in hopes of helping old and newbies.

> I received a new magnetic pulser from Sota Instruments and

> began pulsing for 10minutes/day, 4 days ago.

> In a couple of days I was in a brain fog. I have headache, glassy eyes,

> fatigue, muscle pain, fever, nausea, chest pain and brain fog..

> Don't know if it is the results of the mag. pulser and is a Herx or

> flu.

> I haven't been this miserable in quite a while.

> I had a pocket of newly formed inflammation on my hand and a few zaps

> eliminated that.-purely miraculous!! Will see what the pulsing does for

> the inflammation on the knees of long duration.

> My husband says the mag.pulsing eliminated pain in his feet.

> FYI--I have Rheumatoid Arthritis (RA), an auto immune disease and I am

> putting this out to benefit all of you with auto immune diseases--from

> Gulf War Illness to chronic Fatigue syndrome and all the other auto

> immune diseases.

> I have been on the antibiotic Minocin (minocycline) for 14 1/2 months

> and

> continue to take it per Dr. Franco's orders of 100 mg 2X /day for 5 days

> / week.

> I hope this is intelligible.

> Love and compassion,

>

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> Message: 5

> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 21:03:21 EDT

> From: Ritz3131@...

> Subject: Re: New machine

>

> In a message dated 9/1/00 3:34:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, linda904@...

> writes:

>

> << -I have Rheumatoid Arthritis (RA), an auto immune disease and I am

> putting this out to benefit all of you with auto immune diseases--from

> Gulf War Illness to chronic Fatigue syndrome and all the other auto

> immune diseases.

> I have been on the antibiotic Minocin (minocycline) for 14 1/2 months

> and

> continue to take it per Dr. Franco's orders of 100 mg 2X /day for 5 days

> / week.

> I hope this is intelligible.

> Love and compassion,

> >>

> Thanks . Keep us updated and Good Luck!

>

> Christy

>

> PS Are you also going to use the blood electrifier or just the magnetic

> pulser?

>

> ________________________________________________________________________

September 2, 2000

Re the magnetic pulser-- I know you have to go slow to start with

or it can really make you sick. Of course, you will feel lots better in

a few days, but for now drink lots and lots of water. If the foot pain

returns for your husband, he may need to treat the knees and lower part

of the legs for longer relief. That works for me. What type of zapper

did you get such good results with? Or are you talking about the

pulser? And congratulations on your good results. pj