Guest guest Posted February 18, 2003 Report Share Posted February 18, 2003 Hi Val, I get my herbs from a company called Sunrider International. The website is www.sunrider.com. The formulas that I use are based on Nourish, Balance and Cleanse. the nourish formula is called Nuplus (I recommend starting with Nuplus Regular Bulk because it is the purest formula to digest and is the most concentrated. They also call it Baby Nuplus because they gave it to babies in ancient China to get well). The container will last about a month if you have it every day. The Balance formula is called Quinary (it nourishes the five systems of the body so that they are in balance in support each other). The Calli and Fortune Delight are the cleanse formulas (One Calli bag steeped for five minutes in almost boiling water makes 8-10 cups of tea to start and the Fortune packet makes the same). You can drink it stronger as you get used to it. Some people do a Calli cleanse in the beginning with one bag to a gallon of water. Calli supports the blood cleansing and kills off the free radicals in the body that cause disease and the Fortune Delight supports the tissue cleansing in the body, i.e. kidneys and flushes out fat. Then I use the Sunnydew which is an herbal sweetener (just need a few drops in the tea as it's very concentrated) that nourishes the spleen and pancreas, and Vitadophilus which replaces the good bacteria in the colon, especially when you have been on antibiotics. These are the basics that I recommend for people with Lyme, but there are a lot of other products that the company sells for fine tuning that are very helpful to the immune system. With the products that I recommended, you can make the most delicious fruit smoothies, which I will give you the recipes for if you are interested, and you can cook with it too. It just becomes an important part of your daily diet and my entire family is on it, even my dog who had Lyme too and turned 17 in December. This has been a lifesaver for us recovering from the Lyme Disease, and I will never take another antibiotic again for Lyme. If you need more info, please feel free to contact me by e-mail or phone. Would be happy to give you any guidance or support that you need. Good luck and good health! Sue Rauch (732) 946-2216 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2003 Report Share Posted February 19, 2003 Thank you for the info. Continue to feel well!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2003 Report Share Posted March 12, 2003 Eva I am using the Monestary Of Herbs products for my illness. I will tell you they are extremely potent! I have never felt so awful taking anything else except maybe starting Flagyl. The prodcuts are very specialized in that there are formulations for different types of lyme's. The company's prodcut line I think is in the hundreds;very specialized for all sorts of bacteria, viruses,etc. I use wthem with an alternative practictioner; I just finished a regiemen for CMV and EBV. She has stopped me for now which is fine as I usualy have to take a break after taking a course of them. I am undergoing NAET metabolic balancing in addition to my flagyl and biaxin. Hope this helps. It's a late response. Phil [ ] alternative treatments > dear Group > > I am a newbee, and I was diagnosed with lyme this week. My bloodtest was > negative but a alternative test called electrodermal screening or Vegar > test should I have infection with Lyme bacteria plus Ehrlichia and > Mycoplasma. My initial symptoms 2 months ago were extreme dizziness, > fogginess, very bad neck ache. Few weeks ago I got tingling sensation on my > nose (plus some twitching on the face). Right now my legs and arms are > going to sleep all the time. My MRI should some signs for Lyme disease, > that is why I went to a Lyme expert naturopath in Guilford CT (about 20 > minutes from Lyme CT). > He said the bloodtest is worthless a lots of cases> he does not want to use > antibiotics because he said he has something better. He gave me Astralagus, > Spilanthes and Artemissia plus a Lyme herb combination from monesteryherb, > for anti-inflammatory he gave me enzyme combination I need to take on empty > stomach. He said he has so many Lyme patients even with more advanced > stages who responded extremely well to the treatment. In my case he is > optimistic he said I need a month or two to feel better but I do not know > how long the treatment will last (one website said at least 6 months with > the herbs). > I would like to know if anybody tried any of these treatment or just > general what do you think about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 <<,I guess there are others but I can't think right now.>>>> Others could be acupuncture, massage therapy, reflexology, meditation, Herbology, hydrogen peroxide drips, B12 injections, bee venom, iridology (iris of the eye), light box therapy, Hyperbaric oxygen therapy (HBOT), vitamin C drips, immune building protocols - both oral and IV. just to name a few more,.......I'm sure there are others..........I have tried much of the above, but always following or along with abx treatment. I have tried natural abx in addition to traditional abx........... I am currently following an IV protocol for the immune system, and get weekly IV drips. ConnieKnwnj When our bodies & minds are out of balance....... ........we suffer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 Sandy There is also HBOT (hyperbaric oxygen treatments) Dr Fife (A & M) using it to treat lyme disease. It is not a cure and cost money, but it got me off my death bed. Now, I am going every 7-10 days for a maintance treatment. Some people own their own chambers and treat themselves at home. irishdrought2003 <gellis7@...> wrote: What kind of response has anybody experienced using just alternatives? What type of treatment would that be? I have read about the Cats Claw and the Astemensia. How about ozone or rife? I guess there are others but I can't think right now. Sandy Questions and/or comments can be directed to the list owner at -Owner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 Sandy, The alternative treatment that worked for me and my family is Sunrider Herbal Food. It got us well from a five year battle with third stage neurological chronic Lyme, having multiple courses of intravenous and oral antibiotics. It is based on the theory of regeneration from ancient China, that if the body receives proper and concentrated nourishment, it will balance and heal itself. It works better than anything else I have tried, even if you just start with a 1 lb. container of baby Nuplus, also known as Nuplus Regular. This is what they fed to sick babies in ancient China to make them well. I have helped others regain their health, not from just Lyme but other health problems as well, so much so that I became an herbal food advisor for the company because I believe so strongly in these products. Feel free to check out my website. We have been well since 1995. Sue Rauch Herbal Food Advisor Sunrider Int'l my.sunrider.com/susanrauch (732) 946-2216 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Carolyn, I spent several thousand dollars on acupuncture a few years back to help me with pain in my neck and chronic headaches. It never did anything for me but I persisted, hoping that it would help me over time. I never tried it for my knee because my knee hurts so much that I couldn't stand to have anyone put even a tiny needle in there! But what does help my knee is ultrasound or laser. I imagine that it would be much harder to treat arthritis of the hip with acupuncture, but of course, they can put their needles anywhere. It may certainly be worth a shot if you have an insurance program or it's not too costly for you. I haven't heard of the study that you referenced but I'd be interested in finding out more about it. Good luck :-) Sigrid > eleanor wrote <moneyhill@n...> > > Haven't heard of this, I am afraid, but I wonder if anyone has used > acupuncture for their knee? According to the Guardian Newspaper, there > are good clinical results for this being useful for osteoarthritis in > the knee (although I am afraid I don't have the medical references). A > friend has just started treatment and her acupuncturist has also talked > about the studies, although my problem is hip, not knee. Must ask her > for the references. > eleanor > > I have used acupuncture with good results. It especially helped with > whatever is hurting on the inner portion of my knee (bursitis?- surgeon > says arthritis, but he's got a one-track mind). Luckily, Washington State > requires inclusion of alternative treatments in health plans. It also > helped with the carpal tunnel. > > Carolyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2005 Report Share Posted March 23, 2005 Hi Susie, Acupuncture comes from Chinese medicine. The acupuncturist sticks very fine needles into you at specific points. The points chosen, I think, relate to the nerves in your body but I am very vague on this. For some reason, needles at these places (which differ depending on what you are using the acupuncture for) can reduce pain and even heal some things. Having said that, whether it works or not, is probably dependent on the skill of the practitioner, the individual characteristics of the person being treated as well as what it is being used to treat. The Chinese use acupuncture needles as anaesthetic for some operations instead of drugs, I think. It is a highly skilled procedure and if one goes to an acupuncturist, it is important to find one with good training and experience. In England where I live, some General Practitioners are learning it for use with certain problems --I have a GP friend who uses it in his surgery. Now—I have written this with no reference to the internet or books—so I am sure many in our e-mail group will be able to give you a fuller explanation. Type ‘acupuncture’ into Google and see what comes up for more detailed information. Cheers, Eleanor -----Original Message----- From: juneflower60@... [mailto:juneflower60@...] Sent: 24 March 2005 02:59 To: Joint Replacement Subject: Re: Alternative Treatments Hi Eleanor, I was wondering what does a acupuncture Do for you? I never heard of this. Have a nice day. Susie -------------- Original message -------------- > > eleanor wrote > > Haven't heard of this, I am afraid, but I wonder if anyone has used > acupuncture for their knee? According to the Guardian Newspaper, there > are good clinical results for this being useful for osteoarthritis in > the knee (although I am afraid I don't have the medical references). A > friend has just started treatment and her acupuncturist has also talked > about the studies, although my problem is hip, not knee. Must ask her > for the references. > eleanor > > I have used acupuncture with good results. It especially helped with > whatever is hurting on the inner portion of my knee (bursitis?-surgeon > says arthritis, but he's got a one-track mind). Luckily, Washington State > requires inclusion of alternative treatments in health plans. It also > helped with the carpal tunnel. > > Carolyn > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Hi Eleanor, Thanks for telling me about the Acupuncture I looked it up on Google I could never lay their and have needles put in me it looks too painful I think you have to have a good will power or with ever that is to do that. Well you have a good day. Susie -------------- Original message -------------- Hi Susie, Acupuncture comes from Chinese medicine. The acupuncturist sticks very fine needles into you at specific points. The points chosen, I think, relate to the nerves in your body but I am very vague on this. For some reason, needles at these places (which differ depending on what you are using the acupuncture for) can reduce pain and even heal some things. Having said that, whether it works or not, is probably dependent on the skill of the practitioner, the individual characteristics of the person being treated as well as what it is being used to treat. The Chinese use acupuncture needles as anaesthetic for some operations instead of drugs, I think. It is a highly skilled procedure and if one goes to an acupuncturist, it is important to find one with good training and experience. In England where I live, some General Practitioners are learning it for use with certain problems --I have a GP friend who uses it in his surgery. Now—I have written this with no reference to the internet or books—so I am sure many in our e-mail group will be able to give you a fuller explanation. Type ‘acupuncture’ into Google and see what comes up for more detailed information. Cheers, Eleanor -----Original Message-----From: juneflower60@... [mailto:juneflower60@...] Sent: 24 March 2005 02:59Joint Replacement Subject: Re: Alternative Treatments Hi Eleanor, I was wondering what does a acupuncture Do for you? I never heard of this. Have a nice day. Susie -------------- Original message -------------- > > eleanor wrote > > Haven't heard of this, I am afraid, but I wonder if anyone has used > acupuncture for their knee? According to the Guardian Newspaper, there > are good clinical results for this being useful for osteoarthritis in > the knee (although I am afraid I don't have the medical references). A > friend has just started treatment and her acupuncturist has also talked > about the studies, although my problem is hip, not knee. Must ask her > for the references. > eleanor > > I have used acupuncture with good results. It especially helped with > whatever is hurting on the inner portion of my knee (bursitis?-surgeon > says arthritis, but he's got a one-track mind). Luckily, Washington State > requires inclusion of alternative treatments in health plans. It also > helped with the carpal tunnel. > > Carolyn > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 > Not pissy, just I dunno, ignorant? closeminded? cynical? It's > interesting how some people here feel they have to passionately > defend the use of antibiotics. No, I highly doubt that. Poeple praise God for saving them or somesuch, but dont wonder why they had to be saved to begin with. I am NOT complaining about God, I am pointing out that people only associate the good things w/Him and never wonder why the bad happens. If you hda read my post, you would see that I am not passionately defending the use of abx, I am stating that everything has its place. Please, show me someone, anyone, that has been cured of Lyme ( repeated testing for 5+ years to prove it) from prayer or holistic means. If it was from Prayer than surely this would have been a miracle and needs to be documented as such. As I have said, these things all need to be done in concert. you cannot negate what abx do because of an arseDr. We have all had them, some to more of an extreme than others. That anology would be like swearing off cars because of an accident, or swearing off food because of food poisoning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2005 Report Share Posted March 24, 2005 Hi Susie, I've had acupuncture and its isn't at all painful. The needles may look scary but they are very, very fine and it feels like a pinprick (something you might do to yourself while sewing), not a 'stick' as they say when they're drawing blood. For me acupuncture seemed to work OK on my knees. At one point I went for 2 weeks without pain. But after that my hip problems kicked in, so I've been focusing on recovering from THR. Once I'm recovered from these two surgeries, I may revisit the acupuncturist for my knees. Take care, Carol juneflower60@... wrote: Hi Eleanor, Thanks for telling me about the Acupuncture I looked it up on Google I could never lay their and have needles put in me it looks too painful I think you have to have a good will power or with ever that is to do that. Well you have a good day. Susie -------------- Original message -------------- Hi Susie, Acupuncture comes from Chinese medicine. The acupuncturist sticks very fine needles into you at specific points. The points chosen, I think, relate to the nerves in your body but I am very vague on this. For some reason, needles at these places (which differ depending on what you are using the acupuncture for) can reduce pain and even heal some things. Having said that, whether it works or not, is probably dependent on the skill of the practitioner, the individual characteristics of the person being treated as well as what it is being used to treat. The Chinese use acupuncture needles as anaesthetic for some operations instead of drugs, I think. It is a highly skilled procedure and if one goes to an acupuncturist, it is important to find one with good training and experience. In England where I live, some General Practitioners are learning it for use with certain problems --I have a GP friend who uses it in his surgery. Now—I have written this with no reference to the internet or books—so I am sure many in our e-mail group will be able to give you a fuller explanation. Type ‘acupuncture’ into Google and see what comes up for more detailed information. Cheers, Eleanor -----Original Message-----From: juneflower60@... [mailto:juneflower60@...] Sent: 24 March 2005 02:59Joint Replacement Subject: Re: Alternative Treatments Hi Eleanor, I was wondering what does a acupuncture Do for you? I never heard of this. Have a nice day. Susie -------------- Original message -------------- > > eleanor wrote > > Haven't heard of this, I am afraid, but I wonder if anyone has used > acupuncture for their knee? According to the Guardian Newspaper, there > are good clinical results for this being useful for osteoarthritis in > the knee (although I am afraid I don't have the medical references). A > friend has just started treatment and her acupuncturist has also talked > about the studies, although my problem is hip, not knee. Must ask her > for the references. > eleanor > > I have used acupuncture with good results. It especially helped with > whatever is hurting on the inner portion of my knee (bursitis?-surgeon > says arthritis, but he's got a one-track mind). Luckily, Washington State > requires inclusion of alternative treatments in health plans. It also > helped with the carpal tunnel. > > Carolyn > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2005 Report Share Posted March 25, 2005 Hi Carol, Thanks for telling me about that I'm glad it helped you .Did you have both of you hips replace? I had my right hip replace and it didn't work like I wanted it to .Well I wish you a speedy recovery and have a nice Holiday. Susie -------------- Original message -------------- Hi Susie, I've had acupuncture and its isn't at all painful. The needles may look scary but they are very, very fine and it feels like a pinprick (something you might do to yourself while sewing), not a 'stick' as they say when they're drawing blood. For me acupuncture seemed to work OK on my knees. At one point I went for 2 weeks without pain. But after that my hip problems kicked in, so I've been focusing on recovering from THR. Once I'm recovered from these two surgeries, I may revisit the acupuncturist for my knees. Take care, Carol juneflower60@... wrote: Hi Eleanor, Thanks for telling me about the Acupuncture I looked it up on Google I could never lay their and have needles put in me it looks too painful I think you have to have a good will power or with ever that is to do that. Well you have a good day. Susie -------------- Original message -------------- Hi Susie, Acupuncture comes from Chinese medicine. The acupuncturist sticks very fine needles into you at specific points. The points chosen, I think, relate to the nerves in your body but I am very vague on this. For some reason, needles at these places (which differ depending on what you are using the acupuncture for) can reduce pain and even heal some things. Having said that, whether it works or not, is probably dependent on the skill of the practitioner, the individual characteristics of the person being treated as well as what it is being used to treat. The Chinese use acupuncture needles as anaesthetic for some operations instead of drugs, I think. It is a highly skilled procedure and if one goes to an acupuncturist, it is important to find one with good training and experience. In England where I live, some General Practitioners are learning it for use with certain problems --I have a GP friend who uses it in his surgery. Now—I have written this with no reference to the internet or books—so I am sure many in our e-mail group will be able to give you a fuller explanation. Type ‘acupuncture’ into Google and see what comes up for more detailed information. Cheers, Eleanor -----Original Message-----From: juneflower60@... [mailto:juneflower60@...] Sent: 24 March 2005 02:59Joint Replacement Subject: Re: Alternative Treatments Hi Eleanor, I was wondering what does a acupuncture Do for you? I never heard of this. Have a nice day. Susie -------------- Original message -------------- > > eleanor wrote > > Haven't heard of this, I am afraid, but I wonder if anyone has used > acupuncture for their knee? According to the Guardian Newspaper, there > are good clinical results for this being useful for osteoarthritis in > the knee (although I am afraid I don't have the medical references). A > friend has just started treatment and her acupuncturist has also talked > about the studies, although my problem is hip, not knee. Must ask her > for the references. > eleanor > > I have used acupuncture with good results. It especially helped with > whatever is hurting on the inner portion of my knee (bursitis?-surgeon > says arthritis, but he's got a one-track mind). Luckily, Washington State > requires inclusion of alternative treatments in health plans. It also > helped with the carpal tunnel. > > Carolyn > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2005 Report Share Posted March 26, 2005 Hi Susie, Yes, both of them: the left in October and the right just this month. I've read elsewhere that your hip didn't work because of scar tissue problems. Is there nothing that can be done about that? Just curious, I read about former President Clinton having scar tissue removed from around his heart -- just wondered if that was possible for you. Happy Easter. Take care, Caroljuneflower60@... wrote: Hi Carol, Thanks for telling me about that I'm glad it helped you .Did you have both of you hips replace? I had my right hip replace and it didn't work like I wanted it to .Well I wish you a speedy recovery and have a nice Holiday. Susie -------------- Original message -------------- Hi Susie, I've had acupuncture and its isn't at all painful. The needles may look scary but they are very, very fine and it feels like a pinprick (something you might do to yourself while sewing), not a 'stick' as they say when they're drawing blood. For me acupuncture seemed to work OK on my knees. At one point I went for 2 weeks without pain. But after that my hip problems kicked in, so I've been focusing on recovering from THR. Once I'm recovered from these two surgeries, I may revisit the acupuncturist for my knees. Take care, Carol juneflower60@... wrote: Hi Eleanor, Thanks for telling me about the Acupuncture I looked it up on Google I could never lay their and have needles put in me it looks too painful I think you have to have a good will power or with ever that is to do that. Well you have a good day. Susie -------------- Original message -------------- Hi Susie, Acupuncture comes from Chinese medicine. The acupuncturist sticks very fine needles into you at specific points. The points chosen, I think, relate to the nerves in your body but I am very vague on this. For some reason, needles at these places (which differ depending on what you are using the acupuncture for) can reduce pain and even heal some things. Having said that, whether it works or not, is probably dependent on the skill of the practitioner, the individual characteristics of the person being treated as well as what it is being used to treat. The Chinese use acupuncture needles as anaesthetic for some operations instead of drugs, I think. It is a highly skilled procedure and if one goes to an acupuncturist, it is important to find one with good training and experience. In England where I live, some General Practitioners are learning it for use with certain problems --I have a GP friend who uses it in his surgery. Now—I have written this with no reference to the internet or books—so I am sure many in our e-mail group will be able to give you a fuller explanation. Type ‘acupuncture’ into Google and see what comes up for more detailed information. Cheers, Eleanor -----Original Message-----From: juneflower60@... [mailto:juneflower60@...] Sent: 24 March 2005 02:59Joint Replacement Subject: Re: Alternative Treatments Hi Eleanor, I was wondering what does a acupuncture Do for you? I never heard of this. Have a nice day. Susie -------------- Original message -------------- > > eleanor wrote > > Haven't heard of this, I am afraid, but I wonder if anyone has used > acupuncture for their knee? According to the Guardian Newspaper, there > are good clinical results for this being useful for osteoarthritis in > the knee (although I am afraid I don't have the medical references). A > friend has just started treatment and her acupuncturist has also talked > about the studies, although my problem is hip, not knee. Must ask her > for the references. > eleanor > > I have used acupuncture with good results. It especially helped with > whatever is hurting on the inner portion of my knee (bursitis?-surgeon > says arthritis, but he's got a one-track mind). Luckily, Washington State > requires inclusion of alternative treatments in health plans. It also > helped with the carpal tunnel. > > Carolyn > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2005 Report Share Posted March 27, 2005 Hi Carol, I went to the dr that did the operation on my Hip he never said anything about fixing it just told me that I had bad scar tissures for three years and that was about it so I got tired of hearing him say that after me and my daughter and grandson move in the house my daughter is buying I will find a new dr and hope he can help me. I heard of President Clinton having scar tissure remove from his heart I think that had to be hard to have done . I don't know maybe my medical won't pay for something like that because its something you can live with I guess. Well you where braver then me having both hips done . well you have a nice day . Susie -------------- Original message -------------- Hi Susie, Yes, both of them: the left in October and the right just this month. I've read elsewhere that your hip didn't work because of scar tissue problems. Is there nothing that can be done about that? Just curious, I read about former President Clinton having scar tissue removed from around his heart -- just wondered if that was possible for you. Happy Easter. Take care, Caroljuneflower60@... wrote: Hi Carol, Thanks for telling me about that I'm glad it helped you .Did you have both of you hips replace? I had my right hip replace and it didn't work like I wanted it to .Well I wish you a speedy recovery and have a nice Holiday. Susie -------------- Original message -------------- Hi Susie, I've had acupuncture and its isn't at all painful. The needles may look scary but they are very, very fine and it feels like a pinprick (something you might do to yourself while sewing), not a 'stick' as they say when they're drawing blood. For me acupuncture seemed to work OK on my knees. At one point I went for 2 weeks without pain. But after that my hip problems kicked in, so I've been focusing on recovering from THR. Once I'm recovered from these two surgeries, I may revisit the acupuncturist for my knees. Take care, Carol juneflower60@... wrote: Hi Eleanor, Thanks for telling me about the Acupuncture I looked it up on Google I could never lay their and have needles put in me it looks too painful I think you have to have a good will power or with ever that is to do that. Well you have a good day. Susie -------------- Original message -------------- Hi Susie, Acupuncture comes from Chinese medicine. The acupuncturist sticks very fine needles into you at specific points. The points chosen, I think, relate to the nerves in your body but I am very vague on this. For some reason, needles at these places (which differ depending on what you are using the acupuncture for) can reduce pain and even heal some things. Having said that, whether it works or not, is probably dependent on the skill of the practitioner, the individual characteristics of the person being treated as well as what it is being used to treat. The Chinese use acupuncture needles as anaesthetic for some operations instead of drugs, I think. It is a highly skilled procedure and if one goes to an acupuncturist, it is important to find one with good training and experience. In England where I live, some General Practitioners are learning it for use with certain problems --I have a GP friend who uses it in his surgery. Now—I have written this with no reference to the internet or books—so I am sure many in our e-mail group will be able to give you a fuller explanation. Type ‘acupuncture’ into Google and see what comes up for more detailed information. Cheers, Eleanor -----Original Message-----From: juneflower60@... [mailto:juneflower60@...] Sent: 24 March 2005 02:59Joint Replacement Subject: Re: Alternative Treatments Hi Eleanor, I was wondering what does a acupuncture Do for you? I never heard of this. Have a nice day. Susie -------------- Original message -------------- > > eleanor wrote > > Haven't heard of this, I am afraid, but I wonder if anyone has used > acupuncture for their knee? According to the Guardian Newspaper, there > are good clinical results for this being useful for osteoarthritis in > the knee (although I am afraid I don't have the medical references). A > friend has just started treatment and her acupuncturist has also talked > about the studies, although my problem is hip, not knee. Must ask her > for the references. > eleanor > > I have used acupuncture with good results. It especially helped with > whatever is hurting on the inner portion of my knee (bursitis?-surgeon > says arthritis, but he's got a one-track mind). Luckily, Washington State > requires inclusion of alternative treatments in health plans. It also > helped with the carpal tunnel. > > Carolyn > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 I'll share some of the treatments I've read about or have used. Alot of people believe Inositol (which is a natural sugar found in the body) to be helpful and there is a small amount of research supporting this. The dosage is quite a bit higher than the recommended dosage. I use 2-3 tsp per day. Another supplement is 5-htp. This is a precursor to serotonin (actually the intermediate metabolite between the amino acid L-trypophan and serotonin) and one would use it in place of an SSRI (In other words, don't use it if your child is already on an SSRI!). Magnesium is suppose to be calming. I give my son epson salt baths at night (I just pour a small amount in the tub at bath time). I've heard GABA is also good for calming. I haven't used it. Well, actually I tried it myself and had a very mild allergic reaction. However, that's highly unusual and I did buy it in too high a dosage. Many people do feel GABA is helpful. EFAs (essential fatty acids, cod liver oil) are very good for many things. Most people don't get enough in their diet and they are suppose to be important for healthy brain development. For PANDAS I've read that the sugar substitute Xylatol (I think I'm spelling that wrong!!! It's a sweetner used in gum - which I chew a lot of since that's one of my son's anxities!) may be helpful. There's some research indicating it helps kill strep. This isn't an alternative treatment, but I've been using the prescription low dose naltrexone to see if it may help with OCD (just in case there's an immune connection or PANDAS). Unfortunately, so far, it hasn't been helpful with OCD. > > > > Anyway, does anyone know of any other treatments > besides medicines > > that have worked? I really do not want my son to > be on medicine for > > the rest of his life. > > > > Thanks, KL from IL > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 WEll first off,, I am learning about natural medicines,, but there is NO proof that colloidal silver will help your hep c,, and in fact can cause problems,, the Chinese herbs might be ok but you need to see a doc who knows about them before you use them and certainly NOT while on treatment,, YOU should NEVER mix alternative tx with standart INF tx without help from a doc,, that can be really dangerous,, I HOPE you will get some help with that,, and IM sure chris will come along and help you with the herbs.. Im learning about them but have no real experience with them,, but mixing alternative and standard tx can be very dangerous jax ban_from_texas <ban_from_texas@...> wrote: I have a question that I know I will never get a straight answer out of my doctor on. I would like to begin using coloidal silver and chinese liver blend (herbs). Is it safe to use these while you are on treatment? Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 i have been since very bogged down with the whole array of symptoms last summer, and doing very o.k. with it. rather than a whole lot of re-typing, please go to this lists homepage (link at the bottom of every message) and search the files for colloidal silver, and read my posts starting around aug or sept 2006. around jan 2007 i got into a thing with someone here, sally, that doesn't appear to be around anymore. the overall tone of that extended bunch of posts wasn't all that " nice " but contains a lot of good info. most recently i've started adding tetrasilver tetroxide to my CSilver homebrew, and that's working also...i think...no labs so no numbers, just subjective feelings and (lack of )symptoms. i'm also eating almost exclusively organic, extremely little junk like sugar, do eat meat but mostly only buffalo and organic chicken, sometimes some tuna, shrimp, and a quizno's black angus sandwich on paydays. just bought 6.5 lbs of dried goji berries to get a good price on enough to last - they're hopefully going to help raise my RBC and platelet counts. for the last couple months i've been adding in a whole array of herbs based on stephen buhner's book " herbs for hep-C and the liver " . buhner is a hepper, and quite an herbalist...also wrote a similar book for lymies and a lot of people are working with that protocol. i'm doing the whole Beck protocol, but only recently being more regular in blood electrification. i've made large sponge contacts to pass microcurrents through the whole liver area but i've hesitated on doing it much until i get off tobacco (i love cigars) for reasons you'll learn about if you study the protocol. there's Beck presentations on google video and other places. don't have a mag pulser yet. i've purchased a basic EMEM type Rife machine, and don't know if it's doing anything. doing so much there's no way to account for which is doing what. just purchased a better signal generator to feed the EMEM and it'll do frequency sweeps...planning to get a violet ray wand which is a plasma tube that will run off the EMEM and can be applied to acupuncture meridians. that might be interesting. the only thing i can clearly vouch for is the CSilver, which turned everything around steadily over a month and held it, and i was doing nothing else during that time. i believe the herbs help in many ways, microcurrents kill virus, ozone water cleans things up well from dieoff and chemical pollution (herbicides/pesticides, paint chemical exposure from work, and stuff like carbon monoxide from cigars and cars). i'm feeling fine, and plan to keep refining and being more disciplined in all this, including quitting tobacco (which i believe is my largest problem now) continuing throughout this year, eventually will get bloodwork from the VA with PCR's etc. i see no reason to believe i won't clear the virus completely. i've recently heard from some people that have cleared HCV with 6-9 months of tetrasilver tetroxide alone, with no recurrence claimed...sorry no details. the mesosilver site has an impressive list of testimonials of people either clearing completely or holding ground in good health from their product, and some of their testimonials are actually from people not using their product at all, but homebrew instead. i believe that if i get back into a more rigorous regular physical exercise routine that's aerobic, like rebuilding my bicycle, back into tennis, martial arts, etc, that'll make all the difference putting me over the top. i'll at least be in reasonably good shape as a tx virgin when better conventional tx becomes more available in some years down the road. i'll be around to answer questions, but encourage you to read the message archives first. i have lots of work to do, some play time would be nice, and re-typing isn't as fun as making progress. cheers, bobL > Alternative Treatments > > > I do not have healthcare and have been reading about alternative > treatments. I do not take any medications prescription, over the > counter, or street. > > Can anyone tell me if you are doing alternative treatments? If so, > what? And have they helped? Do you have a lower viral load since > doing them? How long have you been doing such? > > Thank You. > > Any info would be appreciated. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 i have been since very bogged down with the whole array of symptoms last summer, and doing very o.k. with it. rather than a whole lot of re-typing, please go to this lists homepage (link at the bottom of every message) and search the files for colloidal silver, and read my posts starting around aug or sept 2006. around jan 2007 i got into a thing with someone here, sally, that doesn't appear to be around anymore. the overall tone of that extended bunch of posts wasn't all that " nice " but contains a lot of good info. most recently i've started adding tetrasilver tetroxide to my CSilver homebrew, and that's working also...i think...no labs so no numbers, just subjective feelings and (lack of )symptoms. i'm also eating almost exclusively organic, extremely little junk like sugar, do eat meat but mostly only buffalo and organic chicken, sometimes some tuna, shrimp, and a quizno's black angus sandwich on paydays. just bought 6.5 lbs of dried goji berries to get a good price on enough to last - they're hopefully going to help raise my RBC and platelet counts. for the last couple months i've been adding in a whole array of herbs based on stephen buhner's book " herbs for hep-C and the liver " . buhner is a hepper, and quite an herbalist...also wrote a similar book for lymies and a lot of people are working with that protocol. i'm doing the whole Beck protocol, but only recently being more regular in blood electrification. i've made large sponge contacts to pass microcurrents through the whole liver area but i've hesitated on doing it much until i get off tobacco (i love cigars) for reasons you'll learn about if you study the protocol. there's Beck presentations on google video and other places. don't have a mag pulser yet. i've purchased a basic EMEM type Rife machine, and don't know if it's doing anything. doing so much there's no way to account for which is doing what. just purchased a better signal generator to feed the EMEM and it'll do frequency sweeps...planning to get a violet ray wand which is a plasma tube that will run off the EMEM and can be applied to acupuncture meridians. that might be interesting. the only thing i can clearly vouch for is the CSilver, which turned everything around steadily over a month and held it, and i was doing nothing else during that time. i believe the herbs help in many ways, microcurrents kill virus, ozone water cleans things up well from dieoff and chemical pollution (herbicides/pesticides, paint chemical exposure from work, and stuff like carbon monoxide from cigars and cars). i'm feeling fine, and plan to keep refining and being more disciplined in all this, including quitting tobacco (which i believe is my largest problem now) continuing throughout this year, eventually will get bloodwork from the VA with PCR's etc. i see no reason to believe i won't clear the virus completely. i've recently heard from some people that have cleared HCV with 6-9 months of tetrasilver tetroxide alone, with no recurrence claimed...sorry no details. the mesosilver site has an impressive list of testimonials of people either clearing completely or holding ground in good health from their product, and some of their testimonials are actually from people not using their product at all, but homebrew instead. i believe that if i get back into a more rigorous regular physical exercise routine that's aerobic, like rebuilding my bicycle, back into tennis, martial arts, etc, that'll make all the difference putting me over the top. i'll at least be in reasonably good shape as a tx virgin when better conventional tx becomes more available in some years down the road. i'll be around to answer questions, but encourage you to read the message archives first. i have lots of work to do, some play time would be nice, and re-typing isn't as fun as making progress. cheers, bobL > Alternative Treatments > > > I do not have healthcare and have been reading about alternative > treatments. I do not take any medications prescription, over the > counter, or street. > > Can anyone tell me if you are doing alternative treatments? If so, > what? And have they helped? Do you have a lower viral load since > doing them? How long have you been doing such? > > Thank You. > > Any info would be appreciated. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2008 Report Share Posted December 8, 2008 hello it's good to check out all your options. I read four a few hours of this seems like a good deal but I bet it will be years before it comes to the USA. Right now I wouldn't travel to India either with the up heavel they are having over there right now. Would be nice but I think it will take the FDA a long time on this one. Good luck Sharon LeVine alternative treatments My wife posted a few weeks ago when I cancelled a surgery scheduled for BTKR.Part of the reason was threat of MRSA bacteria locally, but also I wasn't sure I had all the facts to know I was making the right choice. I've waited a long while for technological advances. Last year I learned about a treatment known as ACI being done overseas, but not only would my surgeon not give me the expected pat answer about experimental procedures and risks of going overseas etc. etc. but he talked like the technique was totally bogus.which didn't instill great confidence in me since I have an e mail dialogue for over a years time with a patient in singapore who had the procedure.with further research I've discovered that actual photos and followup studies are available of the technique being done at brigham and womens hospital at Harvard since 1995. It appears the technique shows great priomise but from the best I can tell is not of use for ostioartharitis. Is there anyone out there who has knowledge of this treatment? or how about the treatment available in India called RFQMR that is being used speciffically on OA? aparently results here look very promising. I'd still like to rule out these possibilities before I schedule my trip to Red Bluff. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.15/1837 - Release Date: 12/8/2008 9:38 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 MR.MICHAEL. THANKS. CAN YOU THROW SOME LIGHT ON CIRRHOSIS OF LIVER AND ITS SYMPTOMS/PAIN ETC AND ANY ALTERNATIVE REMEDY. SWAMMY From: <mmatchinsky@...>Subject: [ ] Alternative Treatments Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 8:50 AM I found this today:http://www.familyhe althguide. co.uk/12- health-fads- that-never- made-it.htm\lI am open to alternative therapies, but I also want to see it backed byempirical evidence. I take milk thistle and there are studies that showit reduces symptoms (but doesn't work directly on the Hep C virus).When I was first diagnosed, someone recommended some juice (can't recallthe name, have encephalopathy) and I did some research and found noevidence of it working.I take nothing without approval of my hepatologist, either.m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 I hope you’ll talk this over with your doctor, too. Cirrhosis is when the liver cells have reached the point of no repair; it is dead cells turned to scar tissue. Pain is an individual thing; most of the time the liver shrinks, but not always. It is considered late stage liver disease; the end stage comes next and is when the liver is in immediate danger of shutting down completely. http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/cirrhosis/ It is irreversible; I am not aware of any alternative treatments that are proven to work; dead liver cells are dead liver cells. m From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Swammy Baba Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [ ] Alternative Treatments MR.MICHAEL. THANKS. CAN YOU THROW SOME LIGHT ON CIRRHOSIS OF LIVER AND ITS SYMPTOMS/PAIN ETC AND ANY ALTERNATIVE REMEDY. SWAMMY From: <mmatchinsky@...> Subject: [ ] Alternative Treatments Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 8:50 AM I found this today: http://www.familyhe althguide. co.uk/12- health-fads- that-never- made-it.htm\ l I am open to alternative therapies, but I also want to see it backed by empirical evidence. I take milk thistle and there are studies that show it reduces symptoms (but doesn't work directly on the Hep C virus). When I was first diagnosed, someone recommended some juice (can't recall the name, have encephalopathy) and I did some research and found no evidence of it working. I take nothing without approval of my hepatologist, either. m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2010 Report Share Posted October 20, 2010 Sounds really bad. EDTA is dangerous stuff for mercury toxic people. You should follow the Andy Cutler protocol. Please read about it in the files section here on the group. Don't let the doctors hurt your child any more. TJ ________________________________ From: pominvillek <pominvillek@...> Sent: Wed, October 20, 2010 7:43:18 AM Subject: [ ] Alternative treatments  Has anyone ever heard of Metalloclear from Metagenix? Or Bio Chelate? The biochelate contains: EDTA 2mg potassium chloride 0.5mg sodium chloride 0.5mg calcium chloride 0.5mg citric acid 3mg I went to a doctor and we know my son has metals and I would like to start chelation. However, she decided due to his weakened immune system and severe malabsorption issues this would be a good place to start. I would like some feed back on what thoughts are if you know anything about this product. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2010 Report Share Posted October 20, 2010 We tried MatalloClear. They are huge pills. They crush up easily but taste horrible so I couldnt mask the flavor with anything. If your child can swallow pills then they might be worth a try. > > Has anyone ever heard of Metalloclear from Metagenix? Or Bio Chelate? The biochelate contains: > EDTA 2mg > potassium chloride 0.5mg > sodium chloride 0.5mg > calcium chloride 0.5mg > citric acid 3mg > I went to a doctor and we know my son has metals and I would like to start chelation. However, she decided due to his weakened immune system and severe malabsorption issues this would be a good place to start. I would like some feed back on what thoughts are if you know anything about this product. Thanks > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2010 Report Share Posted October 20, 2010 really bad idea if you are mercury toxic. It will make your condition worse. TJ ________________________________ From: lizcurran70 <lizcurran70@...> Sent: Wed, October 20, 2010 1:22:10 PM Subject: [ ] Re: Alternative treatments  We tried MatalloClear. They are huge pills. They crush up easily but taste horrible so I couldnt mask the flavor with anything. If your child can swallow pills then they might be worth a try. > > Has anyone ever heard of Metalloclear from Metagenix? Or Bio Chelate? The >biochelate contains: > EDTA 2mg > potassium chloride 0.5mg > sodium chloride 0.5mg > calcium chloride 0.5mg > citric acid 3mg > I went to a doctor and we know my son has metals and I would like to start >chelation. However, she decided due to his weakened immune system and severe >malabsorption issues this would be a good place to start. I would like some feed >back on what thoughts are if you know anything about this product. Thanks > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 EDTA is a bad idea for mercury toxic folks even though it used to be used for them. S S Re: Alternative treatments Posted by: " lizcurran70 " lizcurran70@... lizcurran70 Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:22 am (PDT) We tried MatalloClear. They are huge pills. They crush up easily but taste horrible so I couldnt mask the flavor with anything. If your child can swallow pills then they might be worth a try. > > Has anyone ever heard of Metalloclear from Metagenix? Or Bio Chelate? The biochelate contains: > EDTA 2mg > potassium chloride 0.5mg > sodium chloride 0.5mg > calcium chloride 0.5mg > citric acid 3mg > I went to a doctor and we know my son has metals and I would like to start chelation. However, she decided due to his weakened immune system and severe malabsorption issues this would be a good place to start. I would like some feed back on what thoughts are if you know anything about this product. Thanks > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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