Guest guest Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 Hi Sal these " people " ( at lymeneteurope) arent mean spirited OR cynical--but you are entitiled to your opinions btw these " people " are the ones (including myself) who spend HOURS each day unpaid to help those being harmed and those already harmed by less than knowledgeable advisors somehow I see them writing facts about a treatment and probable side effects and risks--and then back them up with valid evidence...there are a few snarky comments and the occasional pointed barb but when you spend all day everyday fielding nonsense and oh so too many who care more about making money and who pass along such bad advice with NO basis to do so..well we all get a little cranky now and again ya ever listen to the barbs and comic relief in an ER or near the OR??? pretty gnarly stuff to break the tension of a high stress job and totally would be " unacceptable " in many social situations...same thing--when you are bombarded by the sheer lunacy of whats out there and the predators and the MANY not being helped and even more being labelled a nutcase based upon the few who ARE indeed nuts, well, one needs a little venting now and again tainted with negativity and closemindedness?? thats exactly what it is when you not only take issue with facts that disagree with what you are told to beleive by some proponents of some treatments but then say you dont " like " to see many doing that in print. closemidnedness and negativity does not equal the?admission of both bad and good which ALL things have and you dont have to be a kindergartener to be so desperate and so swayed by information that " sounds " factual yet isnt!! MANY assume that the moderators of health sites will make sure content is valid and safe--NOT so and therefore many simply read and believe PLENTY of non abx tx are not only acceptable here and on LNE but many of us are doing them!!!!! and we do them after having learned about ALL the bad and good and risks too..information is POWER to make informed decisions ironic that the only people blocking and censoring info about risks and negative effects are the people promoting these things...and frankly I have a BIG problem with that!! I agree about not throwing baby out with bathwater and yet YOU did just that by dismissing a website with MANY areas ( one devoted to scientific journals from around the world and where NO opinions or debates can be made without substantiated FACT) if you are uneasy about the barbs, then dont read the areas where they happen-- like a PTA meeting--if you dont like the wed evening wine tasting parties because theyre too raucous then dont GO but dont dis the entire PTA for it and remember if the explanation for the why and how something works doesnt make sense or goes against science then maybe just maybe that modality has a BIG problem with credibility and we shouldnt be blaming the messenger be well Finette [ ] Re: info on alternatives and Rife-FYI These people are very cynical and mean spirited towards others. Wish that were not so. I would take them more seriously. There is no " mass hysteria " on the Rife list, either. I am considering a Rife and I am not a " kindergartner. " In fact, I am leary, but yet open to inforamtion that is not tainted with negativity and closed mindedness. It's one thing to me " imperically " critical, another to be rude and mean spirited. I have not yet heard the " rife list " recommend rifing for a child, either. As for the KMT, it is milder than a Rife and claims to aid with detox. I am also considering it. What do these folks think of Cowden and his therapies? Is nothing but abx acceptable on this board? Do they ever consider the side effects of abx? Also, I would consider not throwing the baby out with the bath water... Klinghardt is not stupid and one can learn from him, as well as ILADS doctors and most people who come from different angles. I wish folks would practice respectful disagreement. Sal > > as always, read then decide for yourselves whats right for you and your kids > > http://www.lymeneteurope.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12 & t=1250 > > > http://www.lymeneteurope.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12 & t=355 > > be well > Finette > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 I definitely heard the barbs and snarkiness and have no desire to be a part of that or to spend time around it. I have always appreciated your posts, Finette, because they are informative and respectful. Sal - In , FinRussak@... wrote: > > Hi Sal > > these " people " ( at lymeneteurope) arent mean spirited OR cynical-- but you are entitiled to your opinions > > btw these " people " are the ones (including myself) who spend HOURS each day unpaid to help those being harmed and those already harmed by less than knowledgeable advisors > > somehow I see them writing facts about a treatment and probable side effects and risks--and then back them up with valid evidence...there are a few snarky comments and the occasional pointed barb but when you spend all day everyday fielding nonsense and oh so too many who care more about making money and who pass along such bad advice with NO basis to do so..well we all get a little cranky now and again > > ya ever listen to the barbs and comic relief in an ER or near the OR??? pretty gnarly stuff to break the tension of a high stress job and totally would be " unacceptable " in many social situations...same thing--when you are bombarded by the sheer lunacy of whats out there and the predators and the MANY not being helped and even more being labelled a nutcase based upon the few who ARE indeed nuts, well, one needs a little venting now and again > > tainted with negativity and closemindedness?? thats exactly what it is when you not only take issue with facts that disagree with what you are told to beleive by some proponents of some treatments but then say you dont " like " to see many doing that in print. > > closemidnedness and negativity does not equal the?admission of both bad and good which ALL things have and you dont have to be a kindergartener to be so desperate and so swayed by information that " sounds " factual yet isnt!! > > MANY assume that the moderators of health sites will make sure content is valid and safe--NOT so and therefore many simply read and believe > > PLENTY of non abx tx are not only acceptable here and on LNE but many of us are doing them!!!!! and we do them after having learned about ALL the bad and good and risks too..information is POWER to make informed decisions > > ironic that the only people blocking and censoring info about risks and negative effects are the people promoting these things...and frankly I have a BIG problem with that!! > > I agree about not throwing baby out with bathwater and yet YOU did just that by dismissing a website with MANY areas ( one devoted to scientific journals from around the world and where NO opinions or debates can be made without substantiated FACT) > if you are uneasy about the barbs, then dont read the areas where they happen-- > like a PTA meeting--if you dont like the wed evening wine tasting parties because theyre too raucous then dont GO but dont dis the entire PTA for it > > and remember if the explanation for the why and how something works doesnt make sense or goes against science then maybe just maybe that modality has a BIG problem with credibility and we shouldnt be blaming the messenger > > be well > Finette > > > > > > [ ] Re: info on alternatives and Rife-FYI > > > > > > > These people are very cynical and mean spirited towards others. Wish > that were not so. I would take them more seriously. There is no " mass > hysteria " on the Rife list, either. I am considering a Rife and I am > not a " kindergartner. " In fact, I am leary, but yet open to inforamtion > that is not tainted with negativity and closed mindedness. It's one > thing to me " imperically " critical, another to be rude and mean > spirited. I have not yet heard the " rife list " recommend rifing for a > child, either. As for the KMT, it is milder than a Rife and claims to > aid with detox. I am also considering it. What do these folks think of > Cowden and his therapies? Is nothing but abx acceptable on this board? > Do they ever consider the side effects of abx? Also, I would consider > not throwing the baby out with the bath water... Klinghardt is not > stupid and one can learn from him, as well as ILADS doctors and most > people who come from different angles. I wish folks would practice > respectful disagreement. Sal > > > > > > as always, read then decide for yourselves whats right for you and > your kids > > > > http://www.lymeneteurope.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12 & t=1250 > > > > > > http://www.lymeneteurope.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12 & t=355 > > > > be well > > Finette > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 guess Im just more understanding of the reasons for the occassional bouts of snarky and more forgiving due to my experiencing the same levels of frustration sorry you feel that way Sal but we can agree to disagree and still be friends!!! and thanks for the compliment--especially given that MANY on some of the " :other " sites find my posts too informative ( " negative " )when they counter what they claim!!! Finette [ ] Re: info on alternatives and Rife-FYI > > > > > > > These people are very cynical and mean spirited towards others. Wish > that were not so. I would take them more seriously. There is no " mass > hysteria " on the Rife list, either. I am considering a Rife and I am > not a " kindergartner. " In fact, I am leary, but yet open to inforamtion > that is not tainted with negativity and closed mindedness. It's one > thing to me " imperically " critical, another to be rude and mean > spirited. I have not yet heard the " rife list " recommend rifing for a > child, either. As for the KMT, it is milder than a Rife and claims to > aid with detox. I am also considering it. What do these folks think of > Cowden and his therapies? Is nothing but abx acceptable on this board? > Do they ever consider the side effects of abx? Also, I would consider > not throwing the baby out with the bath water... Klinghardt is not > stupid and one can learn from him, as well as ILADS doctors and most > people who come from different angles. I wish folks would practice > respectful disagreement. Sal > > > > > > as always, read then decide for yourselves whats right for you and > your kids > > > > http://www.lymeneteurope.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12 & t=1250 > > > > > > http://www.lymeneteurope.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12 & t=355 > > > > be well > > Finette > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 Finette, This has nothing to do with you being more understanding and forgiving and me less so. It has to do with personal tolerance and boundaries. I do not judge them as offending me or less than me and my ideal. I choose to not put myself in atmospheres that are emotionally loaded and with folks who choose to denegate others when they disagree with them, such as calling Dr. Klinghardt, Dr. Kindergarten and disrespecting others while disagreeing with them. I also have a harder time taking posts seriously when they are peppered with denegrating remarks toward others. That said, different forums serve different needs, and I'm all for folks knowing where they need to be and where their needs will be met. If people need to vent in a manner disrespectful of others, that's fine, but I don't need to be there. Not out of judgement, but out of self preservation. Then perhaps, I read a but a small sample of the board on a particularly snarky day on a particularly loaded topic, on bad day for me. I've never found your posts to be negative. I've appreciated the counter balance of thought, information, and opinion. It takes guts to posts what you really think and self control and skill along with a bit of humility to do so respectfully, especially in the face of desenters. I've seen you do just that. I truly want to hear from everyone and that includes Dr. Kindergarten. LOL!:-D I also want info to back up what everyone is saying, and if they dont know... I want them to say that as well. Quite frankly, I think this is all one big experiment and no one really knows for sure. I do believe in energy medicine and I do believe the placebo effect is all in the (body)mind and that may not be a bad thing at all. I also beleive that we may not have the science to explain some things but we can have it to dispute it because we are looking from the wrong angle. However we have observed the body to heal, perhaps it can also heal out of that box of our observation. Take care, Finette, and thank you. Sal > > > > > > as always, read then decide for yourselves whats right for you > and > > your kids > > > > > > http://www.lymeneteurope.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12 & t=1250 > > > > > > > > > http://www.lymeneteurope.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12 & t=355 > > > > > > be well > > > Finette > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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