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Hi Becky,

I should have been more specific. It is Spina Bifida Occulta. There is

only a small defect at L4. All other spinal structures are normal.

Other than the loss of sensation in both legs, I have always functioned

near normal. However, at age eleven, I had surgery on both feet to straighten

out my toes which stood nearly straight up. It was almost impossible to wear

shoes without developing blisters. I also have the Cavus foot and stork legs

that is typical of CMT. Although I was never exceptionally coordinated(unable

to skate, ski,etc) due to weak ankles, I have lead a very active life. Of all

things, I ended up working in the oilfields on a Service Rig. Trust me, if

you can make it there, you can make it anywhere. Nonetheless, over the last

ten years(I am now thirty nine), I have lost so much strength and control in

my feet that they just flop around on the end of my legs, kind of like

walking on stilts with feet hinged on to them. If it wasn't for this ulcer on

my heel, I would most likely still be working but it has been getting much

harder to keep up the pace, much more than you could account for due to age.

You asked about my hands: within the last year, I have noticed a decrease

in dexterity in my hands. In our house, repairing eyeglasses is an endless

job(kids). This was where I first noticed a difference; I used to be able to

do this just fine but it keeps getting harder to get the screw started, get

the screwdriver in the slot of the screw, etc. I can also tell when I try to

weld; this requires a high degree of hand coordination and I find that I

cannot perform as I used to. Eating soup is another task that indicates a

problem. The slight tremor in my hands that is unnoticeable otherwise is

magnified through the spoon.

My neurologist claims that this could be explained by a problem higher in

the spine. He might be right but he has not satisfactorily explained, to me,

why he would rule out CMT with so many indicators being present. It isn't

that I have my heart set on having CMT but I do want to know what the problem

is, good or bad. At present, CMT seems more likely than anything else. I am

not sure whether to trust him and his knowledge of CMT or my gut instinct. I

don't know enough about the test results to refute his opinion but his logic

just doesn't hold water with me. If I could get his opinion confirmed by a

neurologist who was well versed in CMT in all its forms, I would feel better

about it, Any suggestions?

Joe

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Jlang9539@... writes:

<< If I could get his opinion confirmed by a

neurologist who was well versed in CMT in all its forms, I would feel better

about it, Any suggestions?

Joe >>

Joe

Go to the CMTA website and fill out a request for a list of doctor's in your

area that are familiar with CMT. If you have problems, just ask and one or

all of us will help. There are doctors out there that don't know much about

CMT, but there are also some good ones. CMTA will send this out to you pretty

quickly.

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Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 6:39 AM

Subject: [] Re: Doctors!

Hi Joe, I'll be right over with that straight jacket! LOL, just kidding.

CMT types 2 have normal to near normal readings. Were the F-waves prolonged?

They are in all types of CMT. Now Spina Bifida, my son was born with that.

He is missing L,-4, L-5. L-3 is underdeveloped, S-1 is underveloped, if you

have only a small deformity of a vertabra its called Spina Bifida Occulta.

My son has Spina Bifida. At L-4 your legs and possibly bladder/bowels

might be affected, but in my opinion, it would take more of the lumbar

vertabras to be missing for that to happen. They said my son would never

walk, (10 months old) he did, then they said well he will need braces, (13

months) he didn't. Then they said he would never attain bladder/bowel

control, (two years old) he did! Anyway, I would see another neurologist, a

compression is when two vertabras are laying on each other. If you still

have part of L-4 then you should also have the disc's, one above L-4 and one

below L-4 to protect it. Do you have any problems with your arms and/or

hands? If so, that leaves out the L-4 theory being the root of the

problems. I'm not a Dr. this is just my thoughts on it, ~>Becky M.

>Hi Everyone, Joe here,

> If I don't start getting some straight answers from doctors, I am going

>to need a psychiatric consult soon.

> As some may remember, I said that I was recently " diagnosed " with CMT.

My

>first suggestion about CMT came from a technician in the orthotics lab

where

>I had been sent to be fitted for an AFO. He had seen many CMT patients and

he

>simply assumed that I had it and also assumed that I knew it too. This lead

>to my making an appointment with a neurologist who had no problem accepting

>my suggestion that I might have CMT(The technician asked that he not be

>involved in this after he found that I didn't know). All of the physical

>characteristics of my legs and the progression of loss of function are very

>compatible with CMT. However, he ordered a nerve conduction velocity test

>that revealed conduction velocities, in the legs, in the low 40's and high

>30's. The lowest velocities were in peroneal nerves. This compares with

>velocities in the mid 50's to mid 60's range for my arms. According to the

>neurologist, this conclusively rules out CMT. On the basis of this, he

flatly

>refuses to consider CMT. He says that any further testing along this line

>would be futile. He wants to do an MRI of my spine to look for some type of

>spinal cord compression related neuropathy. I suspect that he is somewhat

>drawn to this conclusion because previous doctors have diagnosed me with a

>mild case of Spina Bifida due to a minor defect in the spine at the L4

>vertabrae (this has never bothered me in any way before). I am confused;

it

>would seem to me that a congenital birth defect would present a certain set

>of symptoms that would remain unchanged. Also, a compression related

>neuropathy would tend to affect all nerves below the point of compression

>equally not target some to a greater degree than others. Right now, I am

>suspecting that my neurologist does not understand that CMT presents

>differently according to the type and the stage of progression. He seems to

>feel that unless you have conduction velocities in the 20's, you don't have

>CMT.

> I am very curious to hear what people in the group would say about

this.

>I realize that he is a doctor but I have also heard many stories about

>doctors lacking knowledge about CMT. If anyone has suggestions, I would

like

>to hear them. If not, does anyone have a straight jacket in an extra large?

>

>

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Joe,

Lamar here,

Type-2 CMT may show only slight slowing of the NCV. In any CMT the NCV can

be higher in one area than in another in either Type 2 or Type 1. (Mine are

as were late mother's)

At the same time, spinal compression or a herniation at the L-4 area can

only show in the legs. I have had 2 laminectomies at L-5/S-1, and one for

L-4/5. In the L-4 area you could well have symptoms below the injury in

only the legs. Urinary, bowel, and genital problems may or may not be

present. This could progress, as the herniation (or birth defect) could

become worse in time. It would be very unusual if severe radicular pain is

not present in the extremities (one or both), but could happen. Remember

the spinal nerve that leaves the spine in this area goes to the peroneal

area and legs.

The MRI would be a good suggestion in my opinion. He may or may not then

want a myleogram where a dye is injected into the spinal space for X-Rays.

A second opinion would also possibly be wise. I say this because a NCV on

the legs will usually show as normal in a person with a spinal injury for a

LONG period and often for life. Many paraplegics and quads have normal NCVs

in the extremity for years but are paralyzed. The nerve in the leg remains

normal following an injury and the blockage is above the area. (Visualize an

extension cord. The cord can be fine but not be plugged into an outlet and

no electricity will flow, or the cord could have a problem.--CMT would be

the problem with the extension cord, and a spinal problem would be a problem

with the plug)

If you have mentioned the symptoms you show, I do not remember them, but

from personal experience, I would recommend a second opinion. IF you have

availability of a large teaching hospital, they frequently are the best

resources. In my family, it took 15 years and numerous doctors before my

mom was diagnosed with CMT at the University of FL. (I admit that it was in

the 60's when she was diagnosed and a lot less was known about CMT--but even

today many physicians can miss something. You also did not mention any

family history, which would lead to helping confirm CMT (but spontaneous

mutations do happen)

Please keep us posted. The NCV's you show are similar to those in many of

my family. My legs show a higher NCV than you gave, but are slower than in

my arms. I would very much like to know what turns up.

----- Original Message -----

From: Jlang9539@...

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Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 07:40 AM

Subject: [] Re: Doctors!

Hi Everyone, Joe here,

If I don't start getting some straight answers from doctors, I am

going

to need a psychiatric consult soon.

As some may remember, I said that I was recently " diagnosed " with CMT.

My

first suggestion about CMT came from a technician in the orthotics lab

where

I had been sent to be fitted for an AFO. He had seen many CMT patients and

he

simply assumed that I had it and also assumed that I knew it too. This

lead

to my making an appointment with a neurologist who had no problem

accepting

my suggestion that I might have CMT(The technician asked that he not be

involved in this after he found that I didn't know). All of the physical

characteristics of my legs and the progression of loss of function are

very

compatible with CMT. However, he ordered a nerve conduction velocity test

that revealed conduction velocities, in the legs, in the low 40's and high

30's. The lowest velocities were in peroneal nerves. This compares with

velocities in the mid 50's to mid 60's range for my arms. According to the

neurologist, this conclusively rules out CMT. On the basis of this, he

flatly

refuses to consider CMT. He says that any further testing along this line

would be futile. He wants to do an MRI of my spine to look for some type

of

spinal cord compression related neuropathy. I suspect that he is somewhat

drawn to this conclusion because previous doctors have diagnosed me with a

mild case of Spina Bifida due to a minor defect in the spine at the L4

vertabrae (this has never bothered me in any way before). I am confused;

it

would seem to me that a congenital birth defect would present a certain

set

of symptoms that would remain unchanged. Also, a compression related

neuropathy would tend to affect all nerves below the point of compression

equally not target some to a greater degree than others. Right now, I am

suspecting that my neurologist does not understand that CMT presents

differently according to the type and the stage of progression. He seems

to

feel that unless you have conduction velocities in the 20's, you don't

have

CMT.

I am very curious to hear what people in the group would say about

this.

I realize that he is a doctor but I have also heard many stories about

doctors lacking knowledge about CMT. If anyone has suggestions, I would

like

to hear them. If not, does anyone have a straight jacket in an extra

large?

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Joe,

Lamar here,

You have described the pattern I have followed, with a couple of exceptions.

My toes curled, and my leg size is still the same--and I do not have Spina

Bivida, nor did my mother, grandmother, and many other family members.

----- Original Message -----

From: Jlang9539@...

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Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 10:46 AM

Subject: Re: [] Re: Doctors!

Hi Becky,

I should have been more specific. It is Spina Bifida Occulta. There is

only a small defect at L4. All other spinal structures are normal.

Other than the loss of sensation in both legs, I have always

functioned

near normal. However, at age eleven, I had surgery on both feet to

straighten

out my toes which stood nearly straight up. It was almost impossible to

wear

shoes without developing blisters. I also have the Cavus foot and stork

legs

that is typical of CMT. Although I was never exceptionally

coordinated(unable

to skate, ski,etc) due to weak ankles, I have lead a very active life. Of

all

things, I ended up working in the oilfields on a Service Rig. Trust me, if

you can make it there, you can make it anywhere. Nonetheless, over the

last

ten years(I am now thirty nine), I have lost so much strength and control

in

my feet that they just flop around on the end of my legs, kind of like

walking on stilts with feet hinged on to them. If it wasn't for this ulcer

on

my heel, I would most likely still be working but it has been getting much

harder to keep up the pace, much more than you could account for due to

age.

You asked about my hands: within the last year, I have noticed a

decrease

in dexterity in my hands. In our house, repairing eyeglasses is an endless

job(kids). This was where I first noticed a difference; I used to be able

to

do this just fine but it keeps getting harder to get the screw started,

get

the screwdriver in the slot of the screw, etc. I can also tell when I try

to

weld; this requires a high degree of hand coordination and I find that I

cannot perform as I used to. Eating soup is another task that indicates a

problem. The slight tremor in my hands that is unnoticeable otherwise is

magnified through the spoon.

My neurologist claims that this could be explained by a problem higher

in

the spine. He might be right but he has not satisfactorily explained, to

me,

why he would rule out CMT with so many indicators being present. It isn't

that I have my heart set on having CMT but I do want to know what the

problem

is, good or bad. At present, CMT seems more likely than anything else. I

am

not sure whether to trust him and his knowledge of CMT or my gut instinct.

I

don't know enough about the test results to refute his opinion but his

logic

just doesn't hold water with me. If I could get his opinion confirmed by a

neurologist who was well versed in CMT in all its forms, I would feel

better

about it, Any suggestions?

Joe

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