Re: Negative comments made on postings

[Guest guest]

Maraika –

It was I, not Kathy F., who used your email addy instead of your

name in referring to a quote from your post. I was responding to a

reply to my reply, and the part I quoted only included

the " urhealth@.... wrote " ID generated automatically by groups.

I apologize for being too lazy to go back and look up your name in

the original post. I did not do this intending to be rude.

I am assuming from your post to Kathy F. that you do not suffer from

psoriatic arthritis, is this correct? Do you have anyone in your

family with PA? I'm just trying to understand your interest in the

topic if you are not personally involved with PA.

Best regards,

Sherry z

>

> I have been part of this

> group for some time, I use my own name in all instances and any

comments

> could have been addressed to me in the first person. (Re - I was

replying to

> the person that made that statement urhealth@) - I'm not the one

who said

> it. )

>

[Guest guest]

Kathy F.,

When I joined this site, it was to gain knowledge about your experience with

this disease

as well as the many others who post here. To me this site has been more than a

support

group, it has felt like a group of friends trying to help each other. I do not

like to see a

bunch of " snake oil " theories promoted here because they can be found all over

the

internet. One never knows if you believe most of what they claim. When someone

like

Brent, Mr. or you state something or quote it from an article, we know

that is

information that can be relied upon. I propose we concentrate more on helping

each

other over the rough spots and being a loving support to those in need than

trying to out

doctor our doctors. We all know that some doctors are wonderful and some are

not,

some drugs are a miracle for some but not for all, and some foods and

supplements are

helpful for this or for that, but we can find that info else where. If it works

for a person,

let that person testify to it's properties, we don't need the Dr. quote or the

page it was

taken from in the medical journals. I much prefer to stick with the human side

of this site,

I love to read the posts from personalities like Ian, Betz (who I am really

worried about),

Sherri Z. and Cathi from ma. I thank you all for your knowledge of this disease

and so

many other things, but mostly, I thank you for being HERE when the newbies post

for the

first time so afraid of what their body is doing to them. Or, even when a tough

old woman

like me needs to hear something funny to brighten my day a little. Sorry if I

am a little off

the mark in stating my preferences here, but this is too valuable a place to

come to have

anyone mess it up by messing with our prestigious leader. Love ya K.F. God

bless and

prayers for everyone.

Janet in Ca

[Editor's Note: Janet, I can't say how much your post means to me.

Unfortunately, I had to read more assaults and smears in a post early this

morning from someone else, but I won't subject the rest of you to more of this

silliness. I had almost decided to walk away from the site rather than be

subjected to personal attacks and smears if I dare to speak my mind to someone

who doesn't like it. None of us needs to read the childish nonsense of name

calling. I hoped I left that when I left the 4th grade. I moderate this site

as a labor of love - and no one is forced to stay here if they don't like it or

don't like me. The site is not about me. The site is about helping people find

the things that really work - it is not about people thinking they can take

potshots at others whenever someone challenges what they say. I learned years

ago that when someone disagrees with you, if you have good information to

respond with, you do so. Some people, however, get frustrated if they can't

" win " by intelligent discussion, so they make pithy personal attacks instead.

That is not helpful and neither are they and all they do in the end is abase

themselves.

So, thanks so much for the cyber pep talk. This group is the success that it

because of the people who post - most of whom are thoughtful, giving, caring and

in need of real answers - not babble, not theories and certainly not pejorative

nonsense from a few individuals who get nasty when disagreed with. Let's get

back to helping others and being the loving and supportive group that almost all

of us are. Thanks, again, Janet, for giving me the boost that I needed. Kathy

F.]

[Guest guest]

Hi Janet,

Thank you for the mention. I too am concerned about Betz and am

praying for her to get some relief. Also like you I wish relief for

everyone who has this disease be they on this list or not. I think

this disease has eaten my funny bone at the moment, well the brain fog

has clouded my functioning, oh and my sons going through a difficult

time and the cat's got fleas, the wife has turned into the wicked

witch of the west when she used to be the wicked witch of the north,my

grand-daughter wants taking home, my son picking up from work and then

taking to another job, I have two frozen shoulders, a bone growth on

my sternum and clavicle (hope thats spelt correctly), I missed

Pendragon through illness, having found a new prog rock band Frost*

with an album released in July 06, they have already disbanded, my

other son wants me to make his tea, my youngest is sick, apart from

that I'm feeling mighty good. All in all things don't seem to be

going too bad of late.

Keep the light shining,

Ian.

>

> Kathy F.,

> When I joined this site, it was to gain knowledge about your

experience with this disease

> as well as the many others who post here. To me this site has been

more than a support

> group, it has felt like a group of friends trying to help each

other. I do not like to see a

> bunch of " snake oil " theories promoted here because they can be

found all over the

> internet. One never knows if you believe most of what they claim.

When someone like

> Brent, Mr. or you state something or quote it from an

article, we know that is

> information that can be relied upon. I propose we concentrate more

on helping each

> other over the rough spots and being a loving support to those in

need than trying to out

> doctor our doctors. We all know that some doctors are wonderful and

some are not,

> some drugs are a miracle for some but not for all, and some foods

and supplements are

> helpful for this or for that, but we can find that info else where.

If it works for a person,

> let that person testify to it's properties, we don't need the Dr.

quote or the page it was

> taken from in the medical journals. I much prefer to stick with the

human side of this site,

> I love to read the posts from personalities like Ian, Betz (who I am

really worried about),

> Sherri Z. and Cathi from ma. I thank you all for your knowledge of

this disease and so

> many other things, but mostly, I thank you for being HERE when the

newbies post for the

> first time so afraid of what their body is doing to them. Or, even

when a tough old woman

> like me needs to hear something funny to brighten my day a little.

Sorry if I am a little off

> the mark in stating my preferences here, but this is too valuable a

place to come to have

> anyone mess it up by messing with our prestigious leader. Love ya

K.F. God bless and

> prayers for everyone.

>

> Janet in Ca

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thank you for that. It seems as though I've been found out, people

now know I'm quackers. My wife isn't really the wicked witch of the

west she's just the wicked witch of West Yorkshire. But on a serious

note thank you Kathy F for bringing this person to our attention

trying to make money from our ill health. If they really worked then

I'm sure that's what the medical profession would be prescribing for

us, as they would surely be a much cheaper options than the biologics.

Keep the light shining,

Ian.

[Editor's Note: You are so right, Ian, and if Dr Strand's " research " was

worthwhile in any respect, it would be discussed at length in the New England

Journal of Medicine and in the Journal of the American Medical Association

instead of it only being found on websites that his publicist has set up to make

him seem legit. Kathy F.]

>

> HI Ian:

>

> You were missed for some time.

>

> Thnaks for being.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I know (and am thankful!) that this is a " case closed " issue, but for

the sake of clarity I wish to make a few comments to this post.

My comments are indicated by [sherry z] "

> via Dr. Ray Strand. Ray D. Strand, M.D. is quickly becoming one of

the

> world's leading authorities in Nutritional Medicine. Dr. Strand is

[sherry z] The only references I can find labeling Dr. Strand an

authority in nutritional medicine are those on websites he controls,

websites reviewing or touting his books, or websites touting the

benefits of alternative medicine. At least one of his websites

requires a paid membership, by the way. (This troubles me greatly.)

>

> These studies appearing in medical journals like the New England

Journal of

> Medicine, Journal of the American Medical Association, British

Lancet, and

> Annuals of Internal Medicine report that beyond any doubt

the " root " cause

> of well over 70 chronic degenerative diseases is " oxidative stress. "

> http://www.bionutrition.org/oxidative-stress.asp

>

[sherry z] That quote is from one of Dr. Strand's sites - the one

you have to pay for to get some of the content. The full quote of

that paragraph of Dr. Strand's is thus:

" Over the past 7 years, I have reviewed well over 2,000 medical and

scientific studies in regards to nutritional supplements and their

affect on your health. These studies appearing in medical journals

like the New England Journal of Medicine, Journal of the American

Medical Association, British Lancet, and Annuals of Internal Medicine

report that beyond any doubt the " root " cause of well over 70 chronic

degenerative diseases is " oxidative stress. " These are the " who's

who " of diseases we all fear and want to avoid; diseases like heart

attacks, strokes, diabetes, cancer, arthritis, Alzheimer's dementia,

macular degeneration, lupus, MS, fibromyalgia, and chronic fatigue. "

So it appears Dr. Strand does, in fact, claim that arthritis is

caused by oxidative stress. Unfortunately, he does not cite those

2000 studies nor tell which of them support his claim. We must take

his word for it. Or perhaps if we pay the fee, we can get more

detail?

I find it difficult to imagine that any peer-reviewed study appearing

in the New England Journal of Medicine would make such a blanket

claim. If one exists, I hope someone will please direct me to it.

The ls (not " Annuals " as cited in Dr. Strand's website) of

Internal Medicine is called 'suspect' by the Quackwatch website when

it comes to peer-review of complementary and alternative medicine

(CAM) articles, as quoted below:

" The British Medical Journal and the ls of Internal Medicine have

done an especially poor job in keeping out junk " CAM " reports. I

suspect that this occurs because editors are not suspicious enough

and most peer reviewers -- even for prominent journals -- do not know

the subject matter well enough to spot the misleading statements,

faked data, or improper statistical manipulation used by " CAM "

proponents. As a result, physicians everywhere been receiving a

steady stream of misleading reports. Unscientific teachings are also

percolating through medical schools. Although the AMA Council on

Scientific Affairs has urged that " courses offered by medical schools

on alternative medicine should present the scientific view of

unconventional theories, treatments, and practice as well as the

potential therapeutic utility, safety, and efficacy of these

modalities " [10], pressure by proponents and the lure of grant money

have led to the creation of courses, departments, and clinics that

promote unscientific methods. "

http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/peer.html

>

>

> Department of Biochemistry & Molecular Biology, Albany Medical

College, NY

> 12208, USA.

>

> In recent years oxidative stress has been implicated in a wide

variety of

> degenerative processes, diseases and syndromes, including the

following:

> mutagenesis, cell transformation and cancer; atherosclerosis,

> arteriosclerosis, heart attacks, strokes and ischaemia/reperfusion

injury;

> chronic inflammatory diseases, such as rheumatoid arthritis, lupus

> erythematosus and psoriatic arthritis; acute inflammatory problems,

[sherry z] " Implicated " does NOT equal " causes. " In fact, in some

cases, evidence points to the opposite - that the disease may be

causing the oxidative stress. There is simply not enough evidence to

date (though there's been no lack of trying!) to prove any causal

relationship between oxidative stress and inflammatory diseases.

> underlying the aging process itself. Some of these oxidation-linked

diseases

> or disorders can be exacerbated, perhaps even initiated, by numerous

> environmental pro-oxidants and/or pro-oxidant drugs and foods.

> Alternatively, compounds found in certain foods may be able to

significantly

> bolster biological resistance against oxidants. Currently, great

interest

> centres on the possible protective value of a wide variety of plant-

derived

> antioxidant compounds, particularly those from fruits and

vegetables.

>

[sherry z] Please notice the balanced presentation given by this well-

written article from Albany Medical College. Some (not ALL) of these

diseases may be(not ARE) exacerbated (not CAUSED by) environmental

pro-oxidants. Do you see the huge logic-defying leap between this

kind of statement and " oxidative stress causes psoriatic

arthritis " ????

>

>

>

> Raised levels of F(2)-isoprostanes and prostaglandin F(2alpha) in

different

> rheumatic diseases.Sections of Geriatrics and Clinical Nutrition

Research,

> Faculty of Medicine, Uppsala University, Box 609, SE-751 25

Uppsala, Sweden.

> Basu S, Whiteman M, Mattey DL, Halliwell B

>

>

> OBJECTIVE: To evaluate oxidative injury and inflammatory status in

various

> rheumatic diseases by measuring the levels of isoprostanes and

> prostaglandins in serum and synovial fluid.

>

>

>

> CONCLUSIONS: These data suggest that both free radical mediated

oxidative

> injury and cyclo-oxygenase dependent inflammatory responses are

closely

> correlated in various types of arthritis.

>

[sherry z] Again, " corelated " does NOT equal " causes " !!! As in the

silly example I gave before, there is a clear correlation between the

number of churches in a community and the number of bars there. That

does not imply a causal relationship in either direction!

It is a simple statement that, in various types of arthritis, you

find both oxidative injury and inflammatory response. Are they

related? Perhaps. Perhaps not. If so, how? We don't know yet.

>

>

>

>

> One of the triggers of the degenerative process of cancer and other

diseases

> is damage to DNA and other crucial organ, vascular and skeletal

cells by

> free radicals. Thus, certain antioxidants are common primary

nutritional

> tools in cancer in heart disease management, and are being

investigated for

> similar roles in osteoporosis, arthritis, dementia and diabetes.

>

[sherry z] " Are being investigated " , not " have been shown to be " !!

Do you see a pattern here??? The jury is out, we are still trying to

understand, we are still studying these questions, etc. There are

people, though, who try to make more of these statements than what is

actually said. Usually to make money, in my opinion.

By the way, what this guy is talking about in this particular article

are fish oils and how some components of them " might " be found useful

in treating inflammatory arthritis IN EXACTLY THE SAME WAY THAT BOTH

ENBREL AND HUMIRA are - that is, in inhibiting the TNF-alpha factor.

That does not tempt me to go out and buy, ingest, smear myself with,

or inject fish oil. It does mean we may have hope for some new

treatments someday using things extracted from fish oils or

synthesized after the pattern of these compounds. Let the

researchers FINISH their work!

Meanwhile, there are medications that have been shown in clinical,

peer-reviewed studies to be effective in both managing symptoms and

stopping the degnerative process of PA!

I hope you will forgive me if I don't bore you with similar

commentary on each of the citations given. It's more of the same

song, another verse. None of them is what I asked for - simply a

reference to a peer-reviewed study in a reputable medical journal

stating that oxidative stress causes psoriatic arthritis or that any

food or nutritional supplement can cure it.

> Some of the greatest scientists of our time were laughed at or

ridiculed for

> their persistence in their beliefs. One was awarded two Nobel

Prizes. Whose

> breakthrough studies on the positive benefits of vitamins C as a

> preventative therapy is an example of scientific investigations in

medicine.

[sherry z] Linus ing - who won one for chemistry and one for

peace - neither having anything to do with his highly-publicized

touting of Vitamin C as a cure for the cold or, later, for cancer.

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/DSH/colds.html

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/pauling.html

regards,

sherry z

[Editor's Note: I am in awe, Sherry. Thank you! Kathy F.]

[Guest guest]

Wow Sherry, your research is awesome, but I will have to read and

re-read and re-read again and again as I have a reading problem,

Myers-Erlen syndrome, the words move around the page, to digest it fully.

Keep the light shining,

Ian.

>

> I know (and am thankful!) that this is a " case closed " issue, but for

> the sake of clarity I wish to make a few comments to this post.

>

> My comments are indicated by [sherry z] "

>

> > via Dr. Ray Strand. Ray D. Strand, M.D. is quickly becoming one of

> the

> > world's leading authorities in Nutritional Medicine. Dr. Strand is

>

> [sherry z] The only references I can find labeling Dr. Strand an

> authority in nutritional medicine are those on websites he controls,

> websites reviewing or touting his books, or websites touting the

> benefits of alternative medicine. At least one of his websites

> requires a paid membership, by the way. (This troubles me greatly.)

>

> >

> > These studies appearing in medical journals like the New England

> Journal of

> > Medicine, Journal of the American Medical Association, British

> Lancet, and

> > Annuals of Internal Medicine report that beyond any doubt

> the " root " cause

> > of well over 70 chronic degenerative diseases is " oxidative stress. "

> > http://www.bionutrition.org/oxidative-stress.asp

> >

>

> [sherry z] That quote is from one of Dr. Strand's sites - the one

> you have to pay for to get some of the content. The full quote of

> that paragraph of Dr. Strand's is thus:

>

> " Over the past 7 years, I have reviewed well over 2,000 medical and

> scientific studies in regards to nutritional supplements and their

> affect on your health. These studies appearing in medical journals

> like the New England Journal of Medicine, Journal of the American

> Medical Association, British Lancet, and Annuals of Internal Medicine

> report that beyond any doubt the " root " cause of well over 70 chronic

> degenerative diseases is " oxidative stress. " These are the " who's

> who " of diseases we all fear and want to avoid; diseases like heart

> attacks, strokes, diabetes, cancer, arthritis, Alzheimer's dementia,

> macular degeneration, lupus, MS, fibromyalgia, and chronic fatigue. "

>

> So it appears Dr. Strand does, in fact, claim that arthritis is

> caused by oxidative stress. Unfortunately, he does not cite those

> 2000 studies nor tell which of them support his claim. We must take

> his word for it. Or perhaps if we pay the fee, we can get more

> detail?

>

> I find it difficult to imagine that any peer-reviewed study appearing

> in the New England Journal of Medicine would make such a blanket

> claim. If one exists, I hope someone will please direct me to it.

> The ls (not " Annuals " as cited in Dr. Strand's website) of

> Internal Medicine is called 'suspect' by the Quackwatch website when

> it comes to peer-review of complementary and alternative medicine

> (CAM) articles, as quoted below:

>

> " The British Medical Journal and the ls of Internal Medicine have

> done an especially poor job in keeping out junk " CAM " reports. I

> suspect that this occurs because editors are not suspicious enough

> and most peer reviewers -- even for prominent journals -- do not know

> the subject matter well enough to spot the misleading statements,

> faked data, or improper statistical manipulation used by " CAM "

> proponents. As a result, physicians everywhere been receiving a

> steady stream of misleading reports. Unscientific teachings are also

> percolating through medical schools. Although the AMA Council on

> Scientific Affairs has urged that " courses offered by medical schools

> on alternative medicine should present the scientific view of

> unconventional theories, treatments, and practice as well as the

> potential therapeutic utility, safety, and efficacy of these

> modalities " [10], pressure by proponents and the lure of grant money

> have led to the creation of courses, departments, and clinics that

> promote unscientific methods. "

>

> http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/peer.html

>

> >

> >

> > Department of Biochemistry & Molecular Biology, Albany Medical

> College, NY

> > 12208, USA.

> >

> > In recent years oxidative stress has been implicated in a wide

> variety of

> > degenerative processes, diseases and syndromes, including the

> following:

> > mutagenesis, cell transformation and cancer; atherosclerosis,

> > arteriosclerosis, heart attacks, strokes and ischaemia/reperfusion

> injury;

> > chronic inflammatory diseases, such as rheumatoid arthritis, lupus

> > erythematosus and psoriatic arthritis; acute inflammatory problems,

>

> [sherry z] " Implicated " does NOT equal " causes. " In fact, in some

> cases, evidence points to the opposite - that the disease may be

> causing the oxidative stress. There is simply not enough evidence to

> date (though there's been no lack of trying!) to prove any causal

> relationship between oxidative stress and inflammatory diseases.

>

> > underlying the aging process itself. Some of these oxidation-linked

> diseases

> > or disorders can be exacerbated, perhaps even initiated, by numerous

> > environmental pro-oxidants and/or pro-oxidant drugs and foods.

> > Alternatively, compounds found in certain foods may be able to

> significantly

> > bolster biological resistance against oxidants. Currently, great

> interest

> > centres on the possible protective value of a wide variety of plant-

> derived

> > antioxidant compounds, particularly those from fruits and

> vegetables.

> >

>

> [sherry z] Please notice the balanced presentation given by this well-

> written article from Albany Medical College. Some (not ALL) of these

> diseases may be(not ARE) exacerbated (not CAUSED by) environmental

> pro-oxidants. Do you see the huge logic-defying leap between this

> kind of statement and " oxidative stress causes psoriatic

> arthritis " ????

>

> >

> >

> >

> > Raised levels of F(2)-isoprostanes and prostaglandin F(2alpha) in

> different

> > rheumatic diseases.Sections of Geriatrics and Clinical Nutrition

> Research,

> > Faculty of Medicine, Uppsala University, Box 609, SE-751 25

> Uppsala, Sweden.

> > Basu S, Whiteman M, Mattey DL, Halliwell B

> >

> >

> > OBJECTIVE: To evaluate oxidative injury and inflammatory status in

> various

> > rheumatic diseases by measuring the levels of isoprostanes and

> > prostaglandins in serum and synovial fluid.

> >

> >

> >

> > CONCLUSIONS: These data suggest that both free radical mediated

> oxidative

> > injury and cyclo-oxygenase dependent inflammatory responses are

> closely

> > correlated in various types of arthritis.

> >

>

> [sherry z] Again, " corelated " does NOT equal " causes " !!! As in the

> silly example I gave before, there is a clear correlation between the

> number of churches in a community and the number of bars there. That

> does not imply a causal relationship in either direction!

>

> It is a simple statement that, in various types of arthritis, you

> find both oxidative injury and inflammatory response. Are they

> related? Perhaps. Perhaps not. If so, how? We don't know yet.

>

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > One of the triggers of the degenerative process of cancer and other

> diseases

> > is damage to DNA and other crucial organ, vascular and skeletal

> cells by

> > free radicals. Thus, certain antioxidants are common primary

> nutritional

> > tools in cancer in heart disease management, and are being

> investigated for

> > similar roles in osteoporosis, arthritis, dementia and diabetes.

> >

>

> [sherry z] " Are being investigated " , not " have been shown to be " !!

> Do you see a pattern here??? The jury is out, we are still trying to

> understand, we are still studying these questions, etc. There are

> people, though, who try to make more of these statements than what is

> actually said. Usually to make money, in my opinion.

>

> By the way, what this guy is talking about in this particular article

> are fish oils and how some components of them " might " be found useful

> in treating inflammatory arthritis IN EXACTLY THE SAME WAY THAT BOTH

> ENBREL AND HUMIRA are - that is, in inhibiting the TNF-alpha factor.

> That does not tempt me to go out and buy, ingest, smear myself with,

> or inject fish oil. It does mean we may have hope for some new

> treatments someday using things extracted from fish oils or

> synthesized after the pattern of these compounds. Let the

> researchers FINISH their work!

>

> Meanwhile, there are medications that have been shown in clinical,

> peer-reviewed studies to be effective in both managing symptoms and

> stopping the degnerative process of PA!

>

> I hope you will forgive me if I don't bore you with similar

> commentary on each of the citations given. It's more of the same

> song, another verse. None of them is what I asked for - simply a

> reference to a peer-reviewed study in a reputable medical journal

> stating that oxidative stress causes psoriatic arthritis or that any

> food or nutritional supplement can cure it.

>

>

> > Some of the greatest scientists of our time were laughed at or

> ridiculed for

> > their persistence in their beliefs. One was awarded two Nobel

> Prizes. Whose

> > breakthrough studies on the positive benefits of vitamins C as a

> > preventative therapy is an example of scientific investigations in

> medicine.

>

> [sherry z] Linus ing - who won one for chemistry and one for

> peace - neither having anything to do with his highly-publicized

> touting of Vitamin C as a cure for the cold or, later, for cancer.

>

> http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/DSH/colds.html

> http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/pauling.html

>

> regards,

> sherry z

>

> [Editor's Note: I am in awe, Sherry. Thank you! Kathy F.]

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Janet,

Is this some kind of Sting!!! (Yawn) Yes I did listen to Police and

even bought the first two albums on vinyl. Wow that makes me sound

old. I'm not old, I'm 47. Of course in the film it's 37, but hey

what's one between friends even if the one means ten. Of course my

wife has to be a witch cos I'm a warlock silly, and of course we could

only get married on the 10/31. Still, it stops me forgetting my

wedding anniversary.

As for the lab and shopping, my sentiments entirely. I hate waiting

around the hospital, there are never enough disabled parking spaces,

because I go regularly they always ask if a student or newbie can take

the blood. Although last time she actually did better than the normal

staff. The last time I went to my own GP the nurse missed my vain and

tried to blame me so I wont go there again. Grocery shopping wipes me

out and I nearly always fall asleep afterwards.

Keep the light shining,

Ian.

>

> Hi Ian,

> Glad to hear from you, but sorry to hear you have so much going on

that doesn't

> concern your music. Was Police a band you listened to? I hear they

are reuniting

> for the Grammy Awards. I hope this finds your family well and

prospering and

> you realize, of course, that we just know that your wife is not the

wicked witch of

> any direction. And I know what you mean about the funny bone being

eaten away,

> sometimes I experience a bit of that. That is when I start looking

for my " hiding "

> ancestors on the internet sites. I have a great grandmother that is

a mystery. It seems

> make me forget what I am experiencing at the moment. I had to do 2

chores that I have

> come to really dislike yesterday, (going to the lab for blood tests

and grocery shopping).

> So today I am sitting back and taking things easier. It wouldn't be

so bad if I could get

> in and right back out at the lab or if the grocery store would send

someone home with me

> to carry the groceries in the house. I am completely worn out by

the time I am done.

> Glad to hear you are feeling good, hope it continues. God bless you

and your family.

>

> Janet in Ca

>

>

[Guest guest]

Okay, I guess I missed a lot when I was on sabatical lol... But I do agree that

attacking is not nice and I come here to see others with similar or different

ideas and success or unsucessful trial runs with certain meds... Im sorry I was

no there but I think this is a group to talk and have some fun if possible but

attacking others that is not what I am here for... I have been gone but I don't

like the idea that some people resort to outing people with name calling and

silly insults... I hope this has been cleared up Kathy and everyone...

Love and Peace

Always,Shaun

[Editor's Note: Yes, we're back to normal. It's safe to come out and play now,

LOL. Kathy F.]