Supplement Questions

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In a message dated 1/3/00 5:03:08 PM !!!First Boot!!!, lowried@... writes:

<< Do you take all the supplements at one time or spread them out

over the course of the day? Are there particular supplements that work

better during a certain part of the day?

I assume that I should begin with the least amount recommended for

the supplements - what is the length of time when taking the

supplements before one notices any changes, etc., to increase or

decrease the amounts? I realize that each person is different, but is

there an average?

When taking the supplements, did you continue taking the tapazole

or PTU or did you quit the medication completely? >>

Hi Debbie and Everyone,

I think that it's best to take the supplements all at one meal,

preferably breakfast. While it would seem that it would be better to spread

them out over the day, there are some practical considerations which make

that not the best strategy.

For example I recently read that an oral dose of biotin can dissipate in

the body within a few hours. Biotin is important for copper utilization. If

you took the biotin and copper at separate times, you might not get the full

benefits. If it were possible to divide your supplements exactly in half or

thirds, then that would be fine, but then you'd probably spend a lot of time

splitting capsules and tablets.

When farm animals have mineral deficiencies, the vets just shoot them up

with large amounts that will support the animals for weeks. Most minerals

have a fairly long half life in the body, so it's not necessary to supplement

often. What matters is the total you've taken over a week's time. Many

people are successful by taking their supplements every 2 or 3 days rather

than every day. During my recovery I took all the supplements every day for

usually 5 days a week, with two rest days.

Begin with the least amounts and maintain that for a week or two. Then

gradually increase if necessary. I've found that you'll usually feel better

within a few hours to a few days when you are taking the right supplements.

Some of the people who have recovered told me that it was hard at first and

they experienced uncomfortable feelings. You have to be prepared to suffer

through a little, or decrease the amounts if you are getting negative

responses.

Each person tends to work out a supplement schedule that works for them.

Zinc is usually one supplement that hypers have to be very careful with.

Some hypers can't take it at the beginning and then have to limit it to 15

mgs every two days. Other women find that they can't take zinc in the two

weeks before their periods because it causes an increase of hyper feelings at

that time.

Also, do not decrease or discontinue the anti-thyroid drugs in

anticipation of making progress. There is no interference between the

nutrients and the drug, so continue taking the drug until your thyroid tests

show that you can decrease them. Hopefully, that won't take long.

<<I've read the

supplement list, read all the postings and will be talking with my endo

about them on 1/18. In my past dealings with my endo, I doubt that he

will be supportive, however, I have done some research on my own and

believe that I am suffering from nutritional deficiencies and I believe

that the supplements will work to help me>>

Most endos aren't too enthusiastic about their patients taking

supplements. However, they usually tolerate it, especially when you ask them

for a list of which " essential nutrients " might be a problem, with copies of

the supporting scientific studies. They won't be able to produce these

studies because they don't exist, so they usually give up in opposing the

patient taking supplements.

So take your tape recorder on the 18th and then give us the transcript.

That could be interesting.

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>

> Hi Bee,

>

> Which Vitamin E do you recommend that has no soy derivatives? There

> does not appear to be any in Australia without soy at the moment.

==>Denis, I suggest you write a new message with a good subject line

to get other Aussies' attention, i.e. Vitamin E without Soy in

Australia.

>

> What do you think of this Clove Oil:

>

> http://www.iherb.com/store/ProductDetails.aspx?c=Herbs & pid=NOW-

07540 & vid=

==>That is NOW 100% clove oil that we do recommend, so yes it is okay.

>

> What do you think of the following digestive aid:

>

> http://www.iherb.com/store/ProductDetails.aspx?c=Herbs & pid=CLF-

05104 & vid=

==>See if you can find one without calcium in it. Not only is

calcium carbonate alkaline which seems to defeat the purpose of

increasing acid in the stomach, but also if you need to take 8

capsules per meal it will throw off the amount of calcium you take.

>

> And I can't find Vitamin C with ALL of the following ingredients:

> hesperidin, rutin, citrus bioflavonoids, & rose hips? Could you

> recommend me one?

==>I live in Canada so I buy Natural Factors. Again, write a message

with Australia in the subject line to get other's attention. There

are quite a few Aussies on our group.

Bee

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> http://www.iherb.com/store/ProductDetails.aspx?c=Herbs & pid=NOW-07540 & vid=

Vitaglo ships internationally too, and the clove oil is much cheaper

there. Most things are much cheaper there, in fact. The only problem I

have with their site is that sometimes supplement info (label info

specifically) is missing, so you have to do a little cross-referencing.

Their shipping isn't the quickest in the world either, but they're SO much

cheaper.

For instance, I bought a 1oz container of NOW stevia extract from there.

It was a dollar cheaper than iHerb's price. And I can get NOW's certified

organic clove oil at vitaglo for the same price (basically) as the

" regular " stuff on iHerb. The " regular " stuff on vitaglo is $3.02 for

1oz.

Just a thought for ya...

> And I can't find Vitamin C with ALL of the following ingredients:

> hesperidin, rutin, citrus bioflavonoids, & rose hips? Could you

> recommend me one?

Be aware that hesperidin and rutin are both " citrus bioflavonoids " , so you

might have to look carefully in the ingredient list. I noticed that

Natural Factors seemed to have everything, but they also use soy in that

product. NO THANKS! *sigh* I've got a C supplement right now from

Twinlab, but IIRC, it doesn't contain rose hips.

in IN

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--- paws1104 <paws1104@...> wrote:

> recommended products from 's chart.

Wuld you mind sending me the link to that chart?

>it has maltodextrin added and I

> believe that is a no no. Am I right?

Yes, definately avoid maltodextrin, it's totally high

in sugar, it is a form or sugar.

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>

> hi all,

>

> I have a few questions on supplements. I have purchased all of the

> recommended products from 's chart.

>

> I noticed that any type of supplements at the store always has

other ingredients added. How can I tell if it is a good or bad

> ingredient? Are there certain key words to look for?

==>It is tough to know with some ingredients used. Some supplements

must indicate on the label that they contain " no " yeast, soy, wheat,

gluten, dairy, sugar, preservatives or additives, such as

Calcium/Magnesium, Vitamin B Complex, Vitamin A, Vitamin E and

Lactobacillus (probiotics). Probiotics must also be " free-of " FOS &

Inulin which are both sugars. Some ingredients like magnesium

stearate are used to keep pills from sticking to machinery, so it is

unavoidable.

>

> Also if a mineral is chelated, what does that mean?

==>You only need to get calcium and magnesium citrate, not chelated.

Chelation comes from the Greek word chelè, meaning claw. Chelated

minerals usually means an amino acid is combined with the mineral to

help absorption, but most supplements use soy as the amino acid

source. That's why you need to get the citrate form. You would not

require any other minerals on this program because you'll get them

either from foods or " trace minerals " from a good ocean sea salt like

I recommend.

>

> And.. Bee recommends a probiotic, but that is not on the chart. Can

> someone share a particualr brand name that has been successful for

> them? Does it matter if it is refrigerated or not?

==> didn't happen to have it on her list. This is from my main

candida article, also in the Candida Supplements List: Freeze-dried

acidophilus lactobacillus is the most common form available:

" Buy acidophilus lactobacillus that is not based on dairy (non-dairy)

and 'free of' soy, wheat, dairy, sugar, yeast, gluten, and artificial

coloring or preservatives. It should contain at least 2.5 billion

active organisms, or cells, per capsule. It should be contained in

dark bottles or opaque containers to avoid deterioration by heat and

light, and kept refrigerated, even in the store. "

>

> I saw one at the health food store that had the numbers of bacteria

> Bee recommends but it has maltodextrin added and I believe that is

a no no. Am I right?

Maltodextrin is sugar but there is such a small amount in probiotics

because it is usually in the capsule itself. Sometimes it cannot be

avoided. You can dump it out of the capsule and take it in water. It

is better to buy plain powder if possible, but these days it is very

hard to find. I only took the powdered form 20 years ago. The best

probiotic is homemade cabbage rejuvelac.

Bee

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>

> Hi Bee and group,

>

> I am just starting to get all my supplements together and have a

> couple of questions.

>

> 1. For Vitamin C is taking only ascorbic acid sufficient?

++Hi Suzanne. Yes ascorbic acid is enough, since you can get enough

bioflavonoids from veggies.

>

> 2. I bought red star nutrition yeast flakes because one of the posts

> said this could be taken instead of a B complex. Here is what it

> contains:

> 9.6mg of B6, 56 mg of Niacin, 9.6mg of riboflavin, 9.6mg of thiamine

> and 8mg of B12.

> Is this sufficient or do I need to buy a tablet?

++They aren't listing all of the B vitamins it contains.

>

> 3. My husband got blood work done and his doctor said had very high

> calcium count. Can he balance that out by just taking extra

magnesium? He also seems to have a lot of muscle soreness but

attributes this to his job where he does a lot of heavy labor.

++Has he been taking a lot of antiacids by any chance? To some

degree taking magnesium will help balance out the calcium, but all

minerals require " good " fats, other minerals (trace minerals,

sodium+choride = salt), protein, etc. in order to be absorbed and

utilized. He should also be consuming about 1 1/2 teaspoons of a

good ocean sea salt in the Electrolyte Drink and/or putting it on

foods. He should take 300 mg magnesium citrate per day for 1 month,

and then get his calcium levels re-tested, since he doesn't want to

take magnesium without calcium long-term. Take it only until the

calcium lowers.

++His muscle soreness can be caused by high calcium and low magnesium

and also by poor nutrition and toxins. Our bodies are designed to do

heavy labor without getting muscle soreness, providing the person is

giving their body proper nutrients and eliminates toxins, which is

what this program is all about.

The best, Bee

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Hi Bee,

thanks for your prompt reply!

So just to follow up. It is okay to just take the nutritional yeast in

place of a tablet?

> >

> > 2. I bought red star nutrition yeast flakes because one of the posts

> > said this could be taken instead of a B complex. Here is what it

> > contains:

> > 9.6mg of B6, 56 mg of Niacin, 9.6mg of riboflavin, 9.6mg of thiamine

> > and 8mg of B12.

> > Is this sufficient or do I need to buy a tablet?

>

> ++They aren't listing all of the B vitamins it contains.

> >

Suzanne

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>

> Hi Bee,

> thanks for your prompt reply!

>

> So just to follow up. It is okay to just take the nutritional yeast in

> place of a tablet?

==>Yes, the Nutritional Yeast Flakes can be taken in place of a Vitamin

B Complex tablet.

Bee

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>

> Hi 'Bee'utiful!

>

> You are such an incredible answer to prayer . I have a few questions about

the supplements now that I have them all.

+++Thanks so much Care!

>

> 1. KAL Yeast Flakes: I know that the yeast flakes can be taken in broth...I

want to make sure it doesn't matter if the broth is hot or not. When will I

experience the flush? Also, does it matter when I take them or is it best to

take them early in the day? And do I split up the 2T or take it all at once?

Lastly, do I count the fat and protein as part of the diet ratios?

+++Yes, you can take yeast flakes in broth even if it is hot.

+++Some people do not experience a niacin flush for some time. You'll know when

you do.

+++It is better to take yeast flakes and any supplements with complete meals,

since all nutrients work together - it doesn't matter what meal.

+++It is best to split the dose, taking 1 tbls. at one meal and the other at

another meal.

+++Yes, you count the fat and protein in the diet ratios.

> 2. Garden of Life Cod Liver Oil: Is it better to take first thing in the

morning? Does it need to be on an empty stomach? I do know that I need to

count the fat content as part of my ratios.

+++Take cod liver oil with complete meals. It doesn't matter which meal.

>

> 3. FYI: Coconut Oil is on sale through Azure Standard for April. It's

Nutiva brand and for a case of 4 gallons you can get it for about $38 a gallon!

+++That's good to know. Thanks!

The best, Bee

[Guest guest]

I posted this yesterday but I don't think it made it through so I'm trying

again.

1. What is the difference between Acetyl-L Carnitine and L Carnitine? How do

you know which one you need? What would be the dose for a 3 1/2 yo who weighs

39 lbs?

2. What is the recommended dose of Co-Q-10 for a 3 1/2 yo who weighs 39 lbs?

Thanks so much,

Crystal

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>

> Dear Bee,

>

> I have a few questions regarding supplements:

> 1) The supplements you recommend are synthetic, if I find something natural,

can I replace the synthetic with the natural version?I find Now Food true C made

form Amla.

+++Hi there. Is your name Star or ? Do not be concerned about any

synthetic supplements I recommend, since Orthomolecular Physicians have been

using them for over 60 years with great success. That is particularly true of

vitamin C that they've used for curing cancer. So please do not substitute any

of the supplements I recommend.

+++Amla is derived from fruits which will feed candida, like any sugars and

fruits do.

> 2) I'm using a amino chelated calcium/magnesium supplement that's 500mg

calcium and 250mg magnesium, in addition to 500mg of magnesium citric powder in

ionic form. Is this the correct ratio? I did not have loose stool by using the

two products.

+++Most amino chelated products today use soy as the source of the amino acid,

so you shouldn't use it; instead get calcium and magnesium citrate (which is the

acid needed to absorb minerals). Also do not use an ionic form of magnesium.

The correct ratio is 600 mg each of cal/mag (equal amounts), taken in 2 doses

with meals.

> 3) My doctor diagnosed me as having problems digesting fat soluble nutrients,

can I use water dispersed vitamin D or water based vitamin E? And can I cut back

on my fish oil dosage to be 5000IU or less of vitmain A?

+++The reason you can have problems digesting fats is because there are 2

pathways whereby your body processes fats, and those pathways can be blocked and

can't process properly if there is some kind of important fat missing - that's

why it is important to consume all of the good fats I recommend, i.e. butter,

unrefined coconut oil, etc. along with all of the fat soluble nutrients, i.e.

omega 3, vitamins A, D & E - however even fat nutrients don't work without

protein, minerals, etc. - all nutrients work together.

> 4) Do we need vitmain K and other minerals to help calcium absorption? Because

I have osteoporosis...my understanding is that if the calcium isn't absorbed, it

will deposit in the heart.

+++You get plenty of vitamin K on this program, along with other nutrients that

help absorb vitamin K. If you get the correct calcium and magnesium citrate it

helps your body absorb them.

+++You also get plenty of minerals from foods and by having ocean sea salt like

I recommend. More nutrients are absorbed from foods because of all of the good

fats and fat soluble nutrients. However, all nutrients work together so don't

leave out any supplements.

+++I also had osteoporosis, but not any longer!

The best, Bee