Glutathione Question

February 2, 2005

Hi, Angie.

Al C. discussed this in message #51957 to this list. His

prescription for for 250 mg glutathione suppositories from Hopewell

Pharmacy.

Rich

>

> Hi - I found out that Hopewell Pharmacy can make glutathione

> suppositories. First, would that be more effective than using the

> glutathione cream by kirkman labs? I'd rather not do a

suppository,

> but if it's more effective I will.

>

> Second, I need to ask my doctor for a prescription. Hopewell won't

> give me an idea of dosage. They say my doc should know if he will

> prescribe it, but I'm sure he knows nothing of this stuff. Can

> anyone help me with a dosage I can ask my doctor for?

>

> Thanks!!!!!!!

>

> Angie

September 27, 2005

In a message dated 27/09/2005 19:41:55 GMT Daylight Time, jane_hogan@... writes:

Does this mean that as we have low glutathione and need to supplement- that the antimony will counteract the supplementation ?

>>>.I am feeliong that a Dx of ASD = low glutathione. I wouldn;t bother testing it for it. Supplementation can be problematic, need to start very low and work up. I have some Kirkman TD - woudl you like to try that? Made Sam stim monster and gave him a rash. He does well with Lipo GSH, DUH, I keep forgettign to give it..............

Mandi x

September 27, 2005

In a message dated 27/09/2005 20:17:41 GMT Daylight Time, mark.grabiec@... writes:

That's interesting - mag is given with B6, selenium is in BC I think, but what's methionine? We're really not sure whether we're chelating antimony or whether it's going in as fast as it's coming out. Having it in flame retardant makes it pretty much everywhere.

>>>Antimony and usually arsenic and tin seem to come out before the Lead and Mercury. Keep going, reduce exposure, don;t get too hung up on one metal.

Whent he Tin goes sky high, you are close to the Lead, get the Lead down, Hg WILL start coming. We were off the page on Antimony, not much now though

MAndi x

September 27, 2005

Hi Mandi,

Gethin's has an ecsema rash on his face which he's had for months. It seems to flare up and then die down again almost daily. We've been trying to identify the culprit foodstuff, but maybe it's the glutathione lotion?? (He doesn't get in on his face, but if it's food it's from ingesting, not smearing round his face.)

Just made me wonder when you mentioned rash. It's far more likely to be supplement related than food, as I don't think we've made any changes foodwise, except perhaps increased almond flour (in a half-hearted attempt at SCD)

Just thinking aloud (typing)

Kris

September 27, 2005

In a message dated 27/09/2005 21:48:26 GMT Daylight Time, krisandstusmith@... writes:

Gethin's has an ecsema rash on his face which he's had for months. It seems to flare up and then die down again almost daily. We've been trying to identify the culprit foodstuff, but maybe it's the glutathione lotion?? (He doesn't get in on his face, but if it's food it's from ingesting, not smearing round his face.)

>>>Sma had this every summer, it was related to swimmiing and swallowing water, I think its yeast related here. When gut flora is in balance we have no eczema at all, this was akid who used to bleed with the scratching, started after 2nd jabs when he was still on breastmilk only....................

Just made me wonder when you mentioned rash. It's far more likely to be supplement related than food, as I don't think we've made any changes foodwise, except perhaps increased almond flour (in a half-hearted attempt at SCD)

>>>do the think the GSH cream is helping. I rember somebody posting ages ago abot Salcilates (?SP) in almond flour. I don;t understand them Others will

Mandi x

September 27, 2005

Hi Mandi,

He's doing well at the moment so keen to keep the glutathione in (he was on MB12 for about 3 months before our supply ran out a week ago - not the cause of the rash, obviously, just mean it's difficult to tell what's been good for him recently.

Almonds contain cyanide, I think. (That's what AIA didn't like - don't know about sals) you have to eat a lot for it to be considered a problem, but who knows in these kids. Could be egg for all I know - He's mildly allergic to according to the York blood test, but he eats eggs almost every day in his SCD almond breakfast pancakes. I need to keep a food diary I suppose.

Well, time for bed - Any one else tried cranial osteopathy? Sound so far fetched to me, but several people have recommended it. Geth has a big head!

BWs Kris

September 27, 2005

Hi Jane

Extract from www.danasview.net - site doesn't seem to be up at the moment.

Antimony signs of toxicity - gastro disorders (vomit, diarrhea), respiratory difficllties, vomiting, watery diarrhea, collapse..

Sources. Antimony oxide is added to furnature, mattresses, pajamas, textiles, carpet and plastic to prevemnt them from catching fire. Used medically to treat people with parasites. Also found in solder, sheet and pipe metal, bearings, castings, pewter, ceramics, fireworks, enamels. In the air, soil and water near industries including smelters, coal-fired plnst and refuse incinerators

I guess you can get organic mattress or mattress wrappings - Zoe posted a while back on this I think. Also organic pjs. Wood floors??

I would guess that GSH supp would help the general detox...but to much makes them yeasty!ARGGGHH

Tinamelander12000 <jane_hogan@...> wrote:

Hi,I just received 's fecal metal challenge test results fromBreakspear. shows antimony off the scale. Reading the interpretation - SB (antimony) has a high affinity forsulfhydryl groups on many enzymes. Sb is conjugated with glutathioneand excreted in urine and feces. Therefore, excessive exposure to Sbhas the potential to deplete intracellular glutathione pools. Does this mean that as we have low glutathione and need to supplement- that the antimony will counteract the supplementation ? I really don't know where to start in getting his antimony levels down Any advice greatly appreciated.Jane

September 27, 2005

Hi Jane

Just checked the Great Smokies site. It says magnesium and selinium deficiencies can lead to retention of antimony - supplementing magnsium, selenium and methionine can help clear it

TinaSIMON WOOD <simon_tinawood@...> wrote:

Hi Jane

Extract from www.danasview.net - site doesn't seem to be up at the moment.

Antimony signs of toxicity - gastro disorders (vomit, diarrhea), respiratory difficllties, vomiting, watery diarrhea, collapse..

Sources. Antimony oxide is added to furnature, mattresses, pajamas, textiles, carpet and plastic to prevemnt them from catching fire. Used medically to treat people with parasites. Also found in solder, sheet and pipe metal, bearings, castings, pewter, ceramics, fireworks, enamels. In the air, soil and water near industries including smelters, coal-fired plnst and refuse incinerators

I guess you can get organic mattress or mattress wrappings - Zoe posted a while back on this I think. Also organic pjs. Wood floors??

I would guess that GSH supp would help the general detox...but to much makes them yeasty!ARGGGHH

Tinamelander12000 <jane_hogan@...> wrote:

Hi,I just received 's fecal metal challenge test results fromBreakspear. shows antimony off the scale. Reading the interpretation - SB (antimony) has a high affinity forsulfhydryl groups on many enzymes. Sb is conjugated with glutathioneand excreted in urine and feces. Therefore, excessive exposure to Sbhas the potential to deplete intracellular glutathione pools. Does this mean that as we have low glutathione and need to supplement- that the antimony will counteract the supplementation ? I really don't know where to start in getting his antimony levels down Any advice greatly appreciated.Jane

September 27, 2005

We're in a similar boat. My reading was that he needs glutathione

to replenish the glutathione zapped by the antimony. Tom very very

high in antimony too, in hair and fecal and for all the tests we've

done.

We're not sure whether it's old stuff coming out or new stuff going

in and coming out. Hence switch to organic mattresses which arrive

Thursday!

> Hi,

>

> I just received 's fecal metal challenge test results from

> Breakspear. shows antimony off the scale.

>

> Reading the interpretation - SB (antimony) has a high affinity for

> sulfhydryl groups on many enzymes. Sb is conjugated with

glutathione

> and excreted in urine and feces. Therefore, excessive exposure to

Sb

> has the potential to deplete intracellular glutathione pools.

>

> Does this mean that as we have low glutathione and need to

supplement

> - that the antimony will counteract the supplementation ?

>

> I really don't know where to start in getting his antimony levels

down

>

> Any advice greatly appreciated.

>

> Jane

September 27, 2005

That's interesting - mag is given with B6, selenium is in BC I

think, but what's methionine? We're really not sure whether we're

chelating antimony or whether it's going in as fast as it's coming

out. Having it in flame retardant makes it pretty much everywhere.

> Hi,

>

> I just received 's fecal metal challenge test results from

> Breakspear. shows antimony off the scale.

>

> Reading the interpretation - SB (antimony) has a high affinity for

> sulfhydryl groups on many enzymes. Sb is conjugated with

glutathione

> and excreted in urine and feces. Therefore, excessive exposure to

Sb

> has the potential to deplete intracellular glutathione pools.

>

> Does this mean that as we have low glutathione and need to

supplement

> - that the antimony will counteract the supplementation ?

>

> I really don't know where to start in getting his antimony levels

down

>

> Any advice greatly appreciated.

>

> Jane

>

> DISCLAIMER

> No information contained in this post is to be construed as

medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a

suitably qualified practitioner.

>

September 27, 2005

Steph,

is still not dry at night. Even if I swap to an organic mattress (which I did when he was born, due to the cot death scare) - I am not sure how I would cover it, or him ? Is it in nappies and bed covers etc., I have just read Tinas link and see it is also in meat and vegetables. Does this mean it is in organic meat and veg too ?

We aren't due a phone call to Dr Heard until end of October, so I want to make a start.

Did you also have low glutathione ?

Jane

Re: glutathione question

We're in a similar boat. My reading was that he needs glutathione to replenish the glutathione zapped by the antimony. Tom very very high in antimony too, in hair and fecal and for all the tests we've done. We're not sure whether it's old stuff coming out or new stuff going in and coming out. Hence switch to organic mattresses which arrive Thursday!> Hi,> > I just received 's fecal metal challenge test results from> Breakspear. shows antimony off the scale. > > Reading the interpretation - SB (antimony) has a high affinity for> sulfhydryl groups on many enzymes. Sb is conjugated with glutathione> and excreted in urine and feces. Therefore, excessive exposure to Sb> has the potential to deplete intracellular glutathione pools. > > Does this mean that as we have low glutathione and need to supplement> - that the antimony will counteract the supplementation ? > > I really don't know where to start in getting his antimony levels down > > Any advice greatly appreciated.> > Jane

September 27, 2005

Yes Tom really enjoys the cranial osteopathy - had a session today

and his practitioner says his head is much more aligned now. !

Makes him calm and happy. Now looking for mctimoney chiropractor.

> Hi Mandi,

>

> He's doing well at the moment so keen to keep the glutathione in

(he was on

> MB12 for about 3 months before our supply ran out a week ago - not

the cause

> of the rash, obviously, just mean it's difficult to tell what's

been good for

> him recently.

>

> Almonds contain cyanide, I think. (That's what AIA didn't like -

don't know

> about sals) you have to eat a lot for it to be considered a

problem, but

> who knows in these kids. Could be egg for all I know - He's

mildly allergic to

> according to the York blood test, but he eats eggs almost every

day in his

> SCD almond breakfast pancakes. I need to keep a food diary I

suppose.

>

> Well, time for bed - Any one else tried cranial osteopathy?

Sound so far

> fetched to me, but several people have recommended it. Geth has

a big head!

>

> BWs Kris

September 27, 2005

Antimony is mostly found in pajamas treated or marked as Flame Retardant. You can buy these, but wash them at least 5 times in washing soda, I hope that translates to something you have over there. If not, maybe Mandi can translate.

Also in mattresses, but I think if you just treat the pajamas that may be enough. Tina's suggestion about a mattress wrap seems like a good alternative, to me. Also, antimony is in wool carpets, don't know if you guys have wool carpets over there, or use them a lot. I know we have hardwood floors and there is a big wool area carpet in my family room that our baby sits on.

Dmsa/ala will chelate antimony. We got some out with td-dmps also, so I think pretty much any chelator will get rid of it.

Good luck, Jane,

Re: glutathione question

Hi Jane

Extract from www.danasview.net - site doesn't seem to be up at the moment.

Antimony signs of toxicity - gastro disorders (vomit, diarrhea), respiratory difficllties, vomiting, watery diarrhea, collapse..

Sources. Antimony oxide is added to furnature, mattresses, pajamas, textiles, carpet and plastic to prevemnt them from catching fire. Used medically to treat people with parasites. Also found in solder, sheet and pipe metal, bearings, castings, pewter, ceramics, fireworks, enamels. In the air, soil and water near industries including smelters, coal-fired plnst and refuse incinerators

I guess you can get organic mattress or mattress wrappings - Zoe posted a while back on this I think. Also organic pjs. Wood floors??

I would guess that GSH supp would help the general detox...but to much makes them yeasty!ARGGGHH

Tinamelander12000 <jane_hogan@...> wrote:

Hi,I just received 's fecal metal challenge test results fromBreakspear. shows antimony off the scale. Reading the interpretation - SB (antimony) has a high affinity forsulfhydryl groups on many enzymes. Sb is conjugated with glutathioneand excreted in urine and feces. Therefore, excessive exposure to Sbhas the potential to deplete intracellular glutathione pools. Does this mean that as we have low glutathione and need to supplement- that the antimony will counteract the supplementation ? I really don't know where to start in getting his antimony levels down Any advice greatly appreciated.Jane

September 27, 2005

Almost all chronically ill people, ASD children included, have low glutathione. Glutathione can be raised by Vitamin C also.

Re: glutathione question

In a message dated 27/09/2005 19:41:55 GMT Daylight Time, jane_hogan@... writes:

Does this mean that as we have low glutathione and need to supplement- that the antimony will counteract the supplementation ?

>>>.I am feeliong that a Dx of ASD = low glutathione. I wouldn;t bother testing it for it. Supplementation can be problematic, need to start very low and work up. I have some Kirkman TD - woudl you like to try that? Made Sam stim monster and gave him a rash. He does well with Lipo GSH, DUH, I keep forgettign to give it..............

Mandi x

September 27, 2005

Sorry no good advice but tested as being extremely low in Glutathione even after supplementing with TD, he just couldn't tolerate it at all and had big yeasts, same with the TDMPS which according to the bottle is two thirds Glutathione????

We just hit a brick wall with it.

Vicky

September 28, 2005

We have teh TD - looked like a heroine adict, so I gave it a miss ! I will try the lipo - just worrying about yeast. Will start very low and see how we go.

Jane

Re: glutathione question

In a message dated 27/09/2005 19:41:55 GMT Daylight Time, jane_hogan@... writes:

Does this mean that as we have low glutathione and need to supplement- that the antimony will counteract the supplementation ?

>>>.I am feeliong that a Dx of ASD = low glutathione. I wouldn;t bother testing it for it. Supplementation can be problematic, need to start very low and work up. I have some Kirkman TD - woudl you like to try that? Made Sam stim monster and gave him a rash. He does well with Lipo GSH, DUH, I keep forgettign to give it..............

Mandi x

September 28, 2005

Jane,

Sorry rushing, but high antimony you need to look at MATTRESS

particularly if he's wetting at night. This was a huge issue for us

too. The urine interats with the flame retardant and gives off

horrible stuff, including antimony.

Owen's Sb wnet down a bit when he stopped wetting, but its still at

an unacceptable level. I'm sure this is because I haven't cahnged

his mattress (guilt, guilt). I actively searching for the right one

now - no easy task and looking to be expensive.

Hope you can take something from this

All the best,

Sharon

PS keep doing the glutathione (mantra!)

> Hi,

>

> I just received 's fecal metal challenge test results from

> Breakspear. shows antimony off the scale.

>

> Reading the interpretation - SB (antimony) has a high affinity for

> sulfhydryl groups on many enzymes. Sb is conjugated with

glutathione

> and excreted in urine and feces. Therefore, excessive exposure to

Sb

> has the potential to deplete intracellular glutathione pools.

>

> Does this mean that as we have low glutathione and need to

supplement

> - that the antimony will counteract the supplementation ?

>

> I really don't know where to start in getting his antimony levels

down

>

> Any advice greatly appreciated.

>

> Jane

September 28, 2005

Hi,

Fwiw – here’s the reply I got from Wellness when I asked if

they could give me some idea why C couldn’t tolerate it. Wondering why we were trying it in the middle

of a nystatin course tbh.

“Glutathione

can stimulate yeast growth, so if your child is battling that problem right

now, the liposomal glutathione might not be the best

thing for him. Many parents have had

problems with the liposomal glutathione because of

yeast growth, and others have had problems with it with no explanation at

all. Some children, for what ever

reason, can not tolerate it, and your child may be one of those. I think that it is a good idea to reevaluate with your physician, but have you tried any

other forms of glutathione, such as the IV or transdermal

form? We also compound a nebulized form of glutathione that a lot of the children

are using now.

I would be

interested in hearing what your doctor says.

The only other negative reactions that we have been hearing are that

with too much glutathione the kids can become aggressive and extremely

hyperactive, but in those cases we have told the parents to back off the dose

(down to drops) and build up from there.

Some children can only tolerate extremely small amounts at a time. But, it sounds as if you had already tried

this. I apologize for the inconvenience, but please let us know if you have any

further questions or concerns. Sincerely, Caron Coats Account Director Wellness

Pharmacy”

Re:

glutathione question

We have teh TD - looked like a

heroine adict, so I gave it a miss ! I will try the lipo - just worrying

about yeast. Will start very low and see how we go.

Jane

Re: glutathione question

In a message dated

27/09/2005 19:41:55 GMT Daylight Time, jane_hogan@... writes:

Does this mean that as we have low

glutathione and need to supplement

- that the antimony will counteract the supplementation ?

>>>.I am feeliong that a Dx of

ASD = low glutathione. I wouldn;t bother testing it for it. Supplementation can

be problematic, need to start very low and work up. I have some Kirkman TD - woudl

you like to try that? Made Sam stim monster and gave him a rash. He does well

with Lipo GSH, DUH, I keep forgettign to give it..............

Mandi x

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September 28, 2005

Thanks everyone for your suggestions. We tested on Dr Heards advice - because I was concerned about the way had reacted to the TD glutathione. His test results show 3.3 The ref range is 3.8 - 5.5 . He obviously needs it - but I think we will need to introduce it very slowly. We are in the middle of treating yeast at the moment.

Jane

Re: glutathione question

In a message dated 27/09/2005 19:41:55 GMT Daylight Time, jane_hogan@... writes:

Does this mean that as we have low glutathione and need to supplement- that the antimony will counteract the supplementation ?

>>>.I am feeliong that a Dx of ASD = low glutathione. I wouldn;t bother testing it for it. Supplementation can be problematic, need to start very low and work up. I have some Kirkman TD - woudl you like to try that? Made Sam stim monster and gave him a rash. He does well with Lipo GSH, DUH, I keep forgettign to give it..............

Mandi x

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September 28, 2005

Right, new mattress it is. Before I start researching - has anyone actually found a decent one that isn't going to cost the earth?

Thanks,

Jane

Re: glutathione question

Jane,Sorry rushing, but high antimony you need to look at MATTRESS particularly if he's wetting at night. This was a huge issue for us too. The urine interats with the flame retardant and gives off horrible stuff, including antimony.Owen's Sb wnet down a bit when he stopped wetting, but its still at an unacceptable level. I'm sure this is because I haven't cahnged his mattress (guilt, guilt). I actively searching for the right one now - no easy task and looking to be expensive.Hope you can take something from thisAll the best,SharonPS keep doing the glutathione (mantra!)> Hi,> > I just received 's fecal metal challenge test results from> Breakspear. shows antimony off the scale. > > Reading the interpretation - SB (antimony) has a high affinity for> sulfhydryl groups on many enzymes. Sb is conjugated with glutathione> and excreted in urine and feces. Therefore, excessive exposure to Sb> has the potential to deplete intracellular glutathione pools. > > Does this mean that as we have low glutathione and need to supplement> - that the antimony will counteract the supplementation ? > > I really don't know where to start in getting his antimony levels down > > Any advice greatly appreciated.> > Jane

September 28, 2005

We have two mattresses being delivered on Thursday from Graig Farm.

Very nice lady called Carolyn did some research for us as we wanted

to encase the existing mattress. Carolyn@... THey're

made by ABACA organic. ABACA ORganic abaca@... -

another nice lady called Rhiannon.

The comment from ABACA was:

" I would suggest a mattress bag which will completely encase the

present mattress, topped by a two layer mattress pad, not a perfect

solution by any means, but that would cost £130 for each bed plus

delivery. Please ask whether 2'6 or 3' mattresses. You could try

quoting this lady for a completely different type of mattress made

with a layer of coir (coconut fibre) and a layer of latex, or coir

only. Coir/latex 2'6 £275, 3' £315, coir only 2'6 £250, 3' £298.

plus delivery These would be aprox 12 cms deep and made with organic

wool and 100% organic cotton cover …. A much better solution than

the first option. "

We're going for the tree rubber latex and coir option. They're

being delivered on Thursday so assuming they're not rock hard and

vile we'll post postiively on Friday!

We got free delivery ordering via Graig Farm (nb not Craig Farm) so

worth asking for that. Also worth quoting that you found out about

it from me as I was telling them that there may be a much bigger and

more immediate market than they'd anticipate.

HTH

Steph x

> > Hi,

> >

> > I just received 's fecal metal challenge test results

from

> > Breakspear. shows antimony off the scale.

> >

> > Reading the interpretation - SB (antimony) has a high affinity

for

> > sulfhydryl groups on many enzymes. Sb is conjugated with

> glutathione

> > and excreted in urine and feces. Therefore, excessive

exposure to

> Sb

> > has the potential to deplete intracellular glutathione pools.

> >

> > Does this mean that as we have low glutathione and need to

> supplement

> > - that the antimony will counteract the supplementation ?

> >

> > I really don't know where to start in getting his antimony

levels

> down

> >

> > Any advice greatly appreciated.

> >

> > Jane

>

> DISCLAIMER

> No information contained in this post is to be construed as

medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a

suitably qualified practitioner.

>

March 20, 2008

From what i know about Glutathione: it is very unstable and will not

be absorbed in the gut if just thrown into a pill. Also there is

some evidence of malfunctioning DNA (may be damaged) in some folks,

thus Glut. can not be produced in sufficient quantity to overcome

the oxidative stress, regardless of how much of the precurser amino

acids are present.

There is a product that has the Glut. encapsulated in a fatty

liposome that seems to protect it and thus it can be taken orally.

Can't remember where, when, what the details are. Anyone...?

Marla

>

> I was just interested in clarifing on one of the yasko protocol

groups, if by taking the substance Glutathione, as I am at the

moment, 25mg, in an anti oxidant multi vitamin formula, presently

manufactured by a company called Solgar, whether by taking the

product, if we instead took a better and more well known precurser

to this product, that contained a sulphur metabolizing substance,

that perhaps we could all make Glutathione in our own Livers

naturally, and stave off the need to introduce Glutathione

artificially ourselves?

> Would this be more efficacious?

> Apologies if this sounds confusing, as I have had to type this out

twice, as my web page expired!

> Thanks!

>

March 21, 2008

I have just begun taking it in a compounded cream to be put on my skin

each day.

Gail

atwoodfarms wrote:

>

> From what i know about Glutathione: it is very unstable and will not

> be absorbed in the gut if just thrown into a pill. Also there is

> some evidence of malfunctioning DNA (may be damaged) in some folks,

> thus Glut. can not be produced in sufficient quantity to overcome

> the oxidative stress, regardless of how much of the precurser amino

> acids are present.

> There is a product that has the Glut. encapsulated in a fatty

> liposome that seems to protect it and thus it can be taken orally.

> Can't remember where, when, what the details are. Anyone...?

> Marla

>

> >

> > I was just interested in clarifing on one of the yasko protocol

> groups, if by taking the substance Glutathione, as I am at the

> moment, 25mg, in an anti oxidant multi vitamin formula, presently

> manufactured by a company called Solgar, whether by taking the

> product, if we instead took a better and more well known precurser

> to this product, that contained a sulphur metabolizing substance,

> that perhaps we could all make Glutathione in our own Livers

> naturally, and stave off the need to introduce Glutathione

> artificially ourselves?

> > Would this be more efficacious?

> > Apologies if this sounds confusing, as I have had to type this out

> twice, as my web page expired!

> > Thanks!

> >

March 21, 2008

Hi Marla,

>>>> There is a product that has the Glut. encapsulated in a fatty liposome that

seems to protect it and thus it can be taken orally.

Can't remember where, when, what the details are. Anyone...? <<<<

There may be a few such products now. The 1st I heard of and the one I take is

" Essential GSH " , made by Essential Nutraceuticals. I order it from Wellness

Pharmacy *somehwere* in Alabama. Don't have paperwork in front of me.

I trust (the Specialists and my disease/body), that I'm not going to repair

everything soon enough to get that gsh working normally. So, I want it very

absorbable, straight into my system.

This has been a Scientific challenge for years, and this form is a newer method.

I've remained at approx. 2 teas a week, becasue I found that 2 days in a row

were too much for me. I'll probably try more soon.

www.essentialgsh.com is on the bottle.

It's real interesting to read about.

Katrina