Vitamin K?

September 23, 2003

I ate a lot of raw spinach and broccoli to build up Vit. K in my breast milk

before I gave birth to my now five month old.

It is synthetic (body doesn't know what to do with synthetic stuff), it is

injected deep into the body and from what I have read is being associated with

childhood leukemia later in life.

I did not get vit. K or vax for my new little one and she is very healthy and

has NEVER been sick! Her development is incredable as well.

Lynda

vitamin K?

What do you all know about the vitamin K injection given at birth?

September 23, 2003

INTERESTING!!! A LINK BETWEEN VIT K AND JAUNDICE!! I hadn't thought of this...

How can I find out if my son had this injection at the hospital? I don't

remember it happening...

Jan

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> From: " J & L Nixon " <jjn@...>

> Date: 2003/09/24 Wed AM 01:04:42 EDT

> <Vaccinations >

> Subject: Re: vitamin K?

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September 23, 2003

They routinely give it in the hospital, without parental consent. I made

the mistake of letting them give it to my son and he developed severe

jaundice.

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September 23, 2003

Yes, my was jaundiced as well, although he didn't require lights--just

sunlight. I'm researching THIS now!

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> From: " Sherri Garrett " <SherriGarrett@...>

> Date: 2003/09/24 Wed AM 01:44:28 EDT

> <Vaccinations >

> Subject: Re: Re: vitamin K?

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September 23, 2003

Yes, it happened if you didn't refuse it

At 01:09 AM 09/24/2003 -0400, you wrote:

>INTERESTING!!! A LINK BETWEEN VIT K AND JAUNDICE!! I hadn't thought of

this...

>

>How can I find out if my son had this injection at the hospital? I don't

remember it happening...

>

>Jan

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>> From: " J & L Nixon " <jjn@...>

>> Date: 2003/09/24 Wed AM 01:04:42 EDT

>> <Vaccinations >

>> Subject: Re: vitamin K?

>>

>

September 24, 2003

At 02:53 PM 9/23/2003 -0700, you wrote:

>What do you all know about the vitamin K injection given at birth?

>

The mother should eat a diet very rich in NATURAL Vita K and begin breast

feeding immediately.

I believe given a little research, you will find that the overdose of Vita

K is responsible for the jaundice epidemic in this country.

Jaundice is found in upwards of 70% of all births. Anemia is another

problem! Research the side effects of the Synthetic vitamin K and you will

find these two listed.

I have a few articles if anyone is interested. (o:

September 24, 2003

Mine too. I thought, hey, it's a vitamin, what can it hurt? Ha ha! I was

soooooo naive!

Sara

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September 24, 2003

I wonder if thats why my daughter had jaundice??

heather

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September 24, 2003

When I worked as an OB nurse, we gave the Vit K shots to all newborns, pretty

much as soon as they were out of the womb! It was given when the erythromycin

ointment was put into the newborn's eyes, usually when they were getting

monitored and cleaned up under the warmer. Most parents I would assume are not

even aware of the shot. I sure never gave it a second thought.

Does anyone know how long these injections have been routine in the US? I

remember my mom saying my 2 siblings and I were all jaundiced after birth. We

were born in the mid 1960s.

Kay

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INTERESTING!!! A LINK BETWEEN VIT K AND JAUNDICE!! I hadn't thought of

this...

How can I find out if my son had this injection at the hospital? I don't

remember it happening...

Jan

September 24, 2003

I'm just starting to research this as I'd like to avoid it with my next...

http://www.gentlebirth.org/archives/vitktop.html This is an interesting

article about vit. K and leaving the cord attached to a newborn for a few

minutes after birth.

Anyone ever have any issues convincing their Dr. to leave the cord attached

instead of immediately cutting it??? I don't see why they just throw it all

away when our babies would benefit from it.

Tim, Dorinda, Seth, & Baby #2 due 2/18/04

-- vitamin K?

What do you all know about the vitamin K injection given at birth?

September 24, 2003

Our 7 week old dd was given a Vit K shot at birth. I researched it

and felt the leukemia link was a little sketchy. Our pediatrician

was pushing for the shot and we felt the downside risk was minimal.

What we were not told was that there was a blood type

incompatibility between me and my wife. The baby got my blood type

and my wife's antigens attacked the baby's blood when the mothers

blood crosses over the placenta at birth. This is not usually very

dangerous but it does cause an increase in bilirubin (causing

jaundice). If I knew about the blood type incompatability I probably

would have skipped the Vitamin K shot to try and keep the bilirubin

levels lower.

Our dd was under the lights for about 12 hours on the second day and

we took home a phototherapy unit the next day and had her on that

for about 12 more hours until the bilirubin levels dropped.

fletch

> What do you all know about the vitamin K injection given at birth?

>

September 24, 2003

Yes, please. I was *wondering* if I could just get more vitamin K, and if it

would get to the baby through the breastmilk. Thanks for your help.

At 02:53 PM 9/23/2003 -0700, you wrote:

>What do you all know about the vitamin K injection given at birth?

>

The mother should eat a diet very rich in NATURAL Vita K and begin breast

feeding immediately.

I believe given a little research, you will find that the overdose of Vita

K is responsible for the jaundice epidemic in this country.

Jaundice is found in upwards of 70% of all births. Anemia is another

problem! Research the side effects of the Synthetic vitamin K and you will

find these two listed.

I have a few articles if anyone is interested. (o:

September 24, 2003

I was fortunate enough to have my second son at a birth center in a big tub

using hypnobirthing. It was a wonderful experience. But anyway, my

midwives let me do pretty much whatever I wanted to, and I was able to keep

the cord connected until it stopped pulsing. I also caught my own son and

pulled him up to my chest. I had intended to let him remain in the water

for a little while to get acclimated to his new environment, but I was so

excited I just snatched him right up onto my chest!

:-)

Jen

----- Original Message -----

From: Dorinda M. Gentry

Anyone ever have any issues convincing their Dr. to leave the cord attached

instead of immediately cutting it??? I don't see why they just throw it all

away when our babies would benefit from it.

September 24, 2003

How long have they been doing this?

Yes, it happened if you didn't refuse it

At 01:09 AM 09/24/2003 -0400, you wrote:

>INTERESTING!!! A LINK BETWEEN VIT K AND JAUNDICE!! I hadn't thought of

this...

>

>How can I find out if my son had this injection at the hospital? I don't

remember it happening...

September 24, 2003

We originally opted out of the shot and eye ointments for our son, but

immediately after birth he was diagnosed with craniosynostosis and had severe

bruising on 80 % of his face, so we went ahead with only the vit K. He DID

become jaundiced though.

Our daughter was born fine and we declined the shot and eye crap for her.

Diane and Jim Emerick

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September 24, 2003

I have not heard of that. If you don't mind me asking, what are your blood

types?

Bambi

Re: vitamin K?

Our 7 week old dd was given a Vit K shot at birth. I researched it

and felt the leukemia link was a little sketchy. Our pediatrician

was pushing for the shot and we felt the downside risk was minimal.

What we were not told was that there was a blood type

incompatibility between me and my wife. The baby got my blood type

and my wife's antigens attacked the baby's blood when the mothers

blood crosses over the placenta at birth. This is not usually very

dangerous but it does cause an increase in bilirubin (causing

jaundice). If I knew about the blood type incompatability I probably

would have skipped the Vitamin K shot to try and keep the bilirubin

levels lower.

Our dd was under the lights for about 12 hours on the second day and

we took home a phototherapy unit the next day and had her on that

for about 12 more hours until the bilirubin levels dropped.

fletch

> What do you all know about the vitamin K injection given at birth?

>

September 24, 2003

Let's say you don't do the vit K, and there is a problem...what would the

treatment be at that point? Also how often do babies have a blood clotting

problem?

September 24, 2003

Before I decided to use Homefirst (Illinois) I interviewed (Feb 2002)

several nurses at mainstream practices, and they thought I was

nuts " but the baby would bleed to death if we did that.... "

Homefirst does not routinely cut cords, and the doctor I would have

used in Kansas would not have either - he was 1/2 mainstream and 1/2

alternative. This is one of those issues you may as well have out

before you agree to go to a practice. When I interviewed Homefirst

it was like a checklist, and they passed the 'no Vitamin K unless the

doctor thought it was a traumatic birth' as well.

> I'm just starting to research this as I'd like to avoid it with my

next...

>

> http://www.gentlebirth.org/archives/vitktop.html This is an

interesting

> article about vit. K and leaving the cord attached to a newborn for

a few

> minutes after birth.

>

> Anyone ever have any issues convincing their Dr. to leave the cord

attached

> instead of immediately cutting it??? I don't see why they just

throw it all

> away when our babies would benefit from it.

>

> Tim, Dorinda, Seth, & Baby #2 due 2/18/04

>

September 24, 2003

Before I begin, I have included several links within the body of this

post. For what it's worth, every email I send out is scanned by NORTON'S

so everything should be perfectly safe.

At 01:09 AM 9/24/2003 -0400, you wrote:

>INTERESTING!!! A LINK BETWEEN VIT K AND JAUNDICE!! I hadn't thought of

>this...

>

>How can I find out if my son had this injection at the hospital? I don't

>remember it happening...

There are two things that happen within one hour after birth by law. It

has been predetermined that parental consent is unnecessary for these

practices since it takes a village to raise a child. These two things are,

care for the child's eyes and the synthetic vitamin k injection. The

hospital charges you for these two services without your consent and never

shares with the parents/customers the benefits -vs- the side

effects. Imagine that!!

For the eyes, silver nitrate used to be applied directly into the eyes.

This not only is painful, but also adds a little more trauma to the

unnatural situation of modern childbirth. Btw, I understand the grounds

that this practice became law was due to the chance that, although the

mother was tested on her last visit to the doctor, she may have contracted

syphilis during that last week of her pregnancy which presents the

possibility of passing it on to the child while making it's short journey

through the birth canal. The chances of you passing syphilis to your child

and she losing her sight is why this should be administered without

parental consent says the hospital. They do not bother to ask what the

chances of you having sex with a person carrying syphilis are. For you

husbands out there this should idea should be hysterically laughable.

Much can be said about the VK injection. Here is a very informative link

that will open eyes. There are so many! Ohhh! BTW, the doctors of course

have there own language to keep us peons at bay, but with the birth of the

Internet, we simpletons are catching on. Nevertheless, if you simply do

searches on jaundice, you will continually reach the same 10-15 sites, but

if you use their code word, " HYPERBILIRUBINEMIA " you will find all kinda

stuff that we are not supposed to find. LIKE:

" When this has been mentioned before on the list, some members have been

quick to jump in and say that these studies are not to be believed. I

personally think that since hemorrhagic disease of the newborn is so much

less common than childhood cancers (as well as **hyperbilirubinemia**,

another result of vit K injection) that vitamin K should probably not be

used except perhaps in the event of a traumatic birth that may have caused

injuries that could lead to hemorrhage. "

(**emphasis mine)

Go to the following site scroll down to side effects and you will find that

a high dosage (that is what they are given), can result in

hyperbilirubinemia or jaundice.

http://www.mdadvice.com/library/vita/vitamin76.html

The following site will inform you according to the way the hospital wants

one to be educated concerning Jaundice. The site is informative showing

that almost 80% of births experience some amount of jaundice, yet the fact

that almost 100% of births are given VitaK is never mentioned. Wonder why?

Hmm? Most parents never even know their child was injected with the

synthetic foreign substance.

http://www.medstudents.com.br/pedia/pedia3.htm

One more, I am sorry if I am boring you at this point, but this is an

important one. This is an essay that was used as evidence by a NY

congressman to repeal the state law regarding VitaK. What do you think the

outcome was? I don't know, but I do know that VitaK is a " no questions

asked, BIG money maker for the Industry " . Here is the site:

http://home.att.net/~waterbird/

We recently had a baby and asked that she not be given the shot. We found

that this was a matter that we would have to take up with the Pediatrician.

He had no problem, just sign right here ma'am and with a signature and a

short warning there were no more questions asked. We had decided if there

were any trauma during birth that we might reconsider, but all went well

and she's as perfect as can be.

This is enough for now, but I will share with you a little theory that we

have in a post to come.

kelsey

September 24, 2003

At 02:59 PM 9/24/2003 +0000, you wrote:

>Our 7 week old dd was given a Vit K shot at birth. I researched it

>and felt the leukemia link was a little sketchy. Our pediatrician

>was pushing for the shot and we felt the downside risk was minimal.

>

>What we were not told was that there was a blood type

>incompatibility between me and my wife. The baby got my blood type

>and my wife's antigens attacked the baby's blood when the mothers

>blood crosses over the placenta at birth. This is not usually very

>dangerous but it does cause an increase in bilirubin (causing

>jaundice). If I knew about the blood type incompatability I probably

>would have skipped the Vitamin K shot to try and keep the bilirubin

>levels lower.

Hi Fletch, we had the same problem with the Rh factor. They told us that

it would probably cause jaundice which may very well be true. My daughter

of two months was not given the VK shot and on her third day she had

jaundice. This bothered me tremendously due to my hypothesis that the

Injection was the cause for jaundice in our previous two children. Then it

hit me!

This is how the story goes.

She was born perfectly without any trauma by way of cesarian. We opted as

we had three previous times to keep our daughter in the room night and day

except at the Nurse's shift change. Everyone here that has had this

opportunity will remember the nurses demand that you keep up with exactly

how many times the child went to the bathroom (so to speak). Here at our

hospital they keep the newborns for one hour after birth, (the exact time

that the law requires erythromycin for syphilis-blindness prevention, and

the secret injection to be administered), but with our case C-section, it

was three hours due to recovery. Anyway, she was brought to the room at 11

am and for the rest of that nurses shift we recorded 5 small bowel

movements. Except for one, these would be the last she would have before

leaving two days later. The morning we were to leave the nurses made the

rounds and routinely the baby left the room at 6:30 to be accounted for

and a final checkup before leaving.

Having no complications my releasal was approved by my doctor a day early

having spent two nights and we awaited our little one. She made it back to

the room at about 8am with the news of jaundice. Having to wait three

hours for a phone call back from the pediatrician, it was finally

determined that the level of jaundice was not dangerous and upon our

promise to be back at 9am the next morn, we could leave when we got

ready. We questioned the nurse on our way out if her not having a bowel

movement was an issue. She said no not at all, just keep breast

feeding. When we returned for the heal stick to check the bili level, we

found out that it had risen and was high enough now to justify the charge

of Bili-Lights and the requirement for another heal stick the following day.

Now this bowel movement thing had been bothering me greatly so I asked the

RN, " is it ok that she is not having a bowel movement? " She said in

return, " how often is she having bowel movements " and I said " she had one

yesterday, but it wasn't much " . Her reply was, " no don't worry about that

they will happen, just keep feeding her " .

SO, I asked her, " ...if jaundice is what I have been told, the liver not

being able to keep up and the bili backing up into the system, how would

the bili be expelled? It's got to be expelled somehow! She said, through

the bowel movement for the most part. I said, " IF SHE DOESN'T HAVE A BOWEL

MOVEMENT HOW ARE WE GOING TO EXPEL IT? I said, " when she had the small

bowel movement yesterday evening, it seemed as if her eyes cleared up. What

can I do to make her have a bowel movement!!!? " She said, " Ok...you can go

to the drug store and pick up a jar of " children's suppositories " , cut off

just about a 1/4 inch, just the tip, and insert it. She will have a

movement in just a few minutes. "

Let me tell you this! I told my 92 year old Grandmother this and she

agreed. She said that the old folks used to say if you didn't get the tar

out of'em they would have the " yeller janders " . Everyone will remember the

first 5 to 10 bowel movements looking and having the consistency of tar. So

before we did anything else we got suppositories and an old remedy that

Grandmother told us about, Dark Karo. A heaping tablespoon of karo went

into a bottle of formula before we got out of the store parking lot and the

suppository followed about an hour later. By dark we had a totally

different little girl. The next morning a heal stick revealed that her

jaundice level took a sever nose dive and they accounted it to bili lights

that she NEVER slept on.

I believe that all jaundice other than that which babies are born with is

preventable or at the very least, easily controllable. Babies have GOT to

eliminate waste. They are born with so much that, now, when they have to

depend upon their own systems, the waste has got to continue to be flushed

out. Although small, she had 5 bowel movements within the first 10 hours

of her life. I now have little doubt that if she hadn't gone a day and a

half having only one more, she would have never overdosed on waste which is

exactly what jaundice is to begin with.

If you have an 80 year old in the family who lived on the farm where they

depended greatly on herbs and peach bark tea, ask them about " Yeller

Janders " . They will tell you the remedy was castor oil and a dose of

parigart. I guess I spelled that right. I have never tasted Castor Oil nor

do I have any idea what parigart is and never would I recommend them as a

remedy, but seems the " old folk " knew that babies had to get rid of the

tar. That's profound when you think of the modern remedy, bili-lights.

Anyone ever experienced this?

Thanks,

kelsey

September 24, 2003

At 09:24 AM 9/24/2003 -0700, you wrote:

>Yes, please. I was *wondering* if I could just get more vitamin K, and if

>it would get to the baby through the breastmilk. Thanks for your help.

>

Absolutely! Eat alot of green vegetables. Lots! You do not have to

overdose, but three or four small servings a day will help lots. If you

take a supplement in conjunction with the vegetables such as Barley Green

you will really flood your system with Natural Vitamin K. Broccoli and

Kale are about the best, but spinach, turnip, mustard and collard greens

are excellent as well. I do not really suggest vitamin k in supplemental

pill form, since we most often don't know the source, solubility, and

process in which they are made. Stick with Barley Green and fresh produce.

Oh yes! You will find as you research all this that the Medical Profession

continually reminds us that Human Breast Milk is very insufficient in

VitaK, and this is true, BUT WHY????

Think about it, how many women of child bearing age are eating daily

portions of Broccoli, Kale and Turnip Greens? Emmm, say about Zero? (o:

If VitaK doesn't go in, it's going to be hard for VitaK to come out isn't

it? (o:

kelsey

September 24, 2003

At 09:27 AM 9/24/2003 -0700, you wrote:

>How long have they been doing this?

>

At least thirty years.

September 24, 2003

At 02:55 PM 9/24/2003 -0700, you wrote:

>Let's say you don't do the vit K, and there is a problem...what would the

>treatment be at that point? Also how often do babies have a blood

>clotting problem?

The brain hemorrhage that is feared and the supposed reason for the shot,

is like 1 in 60,000. On the other hand jaundice which can lead to blood

transfusions and other problems, results in upwards of 80% of

births. Anemia which is also Greatly linked and is a known side effect of

the synthetic VitaK shot is also a greater risk that 1 in 60,000.

If my child were born with a lot of bruising and trauma I wouldn't hesitate

to prescribe the shot, otherwise it would not be an option.

If the mother is allowed to feed the newborn immediately and her diet is

high in natural sources of VitaK there is no worry. The Doctors will tell

you the only fear is Human Milk being deficient in vitamin k. Problem there

is, the richest sources we receive vitak from are vehemently hated by our

fast food society. How many 20 year olds eat a healthy portion of Collards

three or four times a week?

I sure would love to see the test results of a mother whose diet is high in

green leafy vegetables. Is this info available?

September 25, 2003

RAt 02:55 PM 09/24/2003 -0700, you wrote:

>Let's say you don't do the vit K, and there is a problem...what would the

treatment be at that point? Also how often do babies have a blood clotting

problem?

>

Please read all the info I sent

all the answers in there

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September 25, 2003

Thanks, Kelsey. Sounds like I need to go to the grocery store. :-)