HELP - Self injurious behaviour

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I'm sure you'll get better advice but this sounds like she's in pain. Gut

pain? Constipation? Reflux? Headaches?

What about stopping all those supplements for awhile until you can get a

handle on what is causing it?

Can she use PEC's or a device to let you know what type of pain she's in?

Do you have a DAN doctor or Naturopath?

Kathy

[ ] HELP - Self injurious behaviour

> Hi All;

>

> My 6 yo severe daughter's self injurious behaviour is out of control. She

> is constantly using closed fists to hit herself in the head. She throws

> herself on the floor and hits her head on the floor repeatedly if we don't

> intervene. Last night she put a hole in her bedroom wall with her head.

> She also bites things so hard that her teeth are bleeding or falling out

> (she is naturally losing some baby teeth though).

>

> She has always resorted to SIB when she is frustrated, but usually takes

> more of the aggression out on whoever is closest (usually parents).

>

> Yeast is always suspect, but is it always yeast?? No frothy yeast poop...

> This is her current yeast schedule:

> - Candex twice per day

> - Sacc B at least twice per day

> - Copious probiotics -- Custom probiotics 3x/day

> - Coconut kefir - whenever I can get it into her

> - GSE (5 drops per dose) 3x/day

> - Oil of oregano 1 drop 2x/day (I can't increase this - it makes her more

> crazy)

> - Biotin 20 mg twice per day

>

> I am afraid she is going to injure her brain so badly that there will be

> nothing left to try and save. I don't want to take her to the (regular)

> doctor -- they'll probably insist on a helmet which will increase the SIB,

> or worse, tell us we can't manage her and suggest an institution. At the

> least, they'll probably want her on some psychotropic med that will do her

> even more harm.

>

> I'm not sure what to do. Any suggestions appreciated!

>

> Kim

>

>

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> My 6 yo severe daughter's self injurious behaviour is out of control. She is

constantly using closed fists to hit herself in the head. She throws herself on

the floor and hits her head on the floor repeatedly if we don't intervene. Last

night she put a hole in her bedroom wall with her head. She also bites things

so hard that her teeth are bleeding or falling out (she is naturally losing some

baby teeth though).

These sound like severe headache, which at my house was caused by certain foods,

overdosing of certain supplements, and yeast in the head/brain.

> Yeast is always suspect, but is it always yeast?? No frothy yeast poop...

Yeast in the head/brain did not have any effect on the bms here.

>>This is her current yeast schedule:

> - Candex twice per day

> - Sacc B at least twice per day

> - Copious probiotics -- Custom probiotics 3x/day

> - Coconut kefir - whenever I can get it into her

> - GSE (5 drops per dose) 3x/day

> - Oil of oregano 1 drop 2x/day (I can't increase this - it makes her more

crazy)

> - Biotin 20 mg twice per day

Give the biotin with magnesium, unless that causes diarrhea. Biotin without

magnesium can also cause major headaches.

That GSE dose would not have done anything for my son when his yeast was REALLY

bad.

What other supps do you give?

Dana

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Hi Kim

I really feel for you, we have been there ourselves and are aware that we may

end up back there again. Kathy may have a point about stopping the supplements

and hopefully people here will help better than I can.

The Biotin to me seems very high and if your daughter does not tolerate phenols

then GSE and I think OOO could be a problem especially if not given with a

no-phenol enzyme.

Low Iron(ferretin) can cause the biting as so can possibly low Zinc.

Maybe Poor adrenals could be a problem. A DDI hair test maybe useful regarding

this. If knocking all the supps on the head does'nt help it might be worth

trying Nystatin to confirm if yeast is an issue, it does'nt help everyone, but

might be worth ago. Taurine may also be helpful.

I'm sorry I could'nt be more helpful, but I feel your desperation and hope

things work out well for you.

P.S.

Stuffing tissue paper(slightly damp and allow to dry) or newspaper in the hole

and then covering it with polyfilla( I'm not sure what it's called in the U.S.)

and then sanding it when dry and painting it might help, unless the hole is very

big, then you might need a bit of plaster board.

All the best

Kenny

>

> I'm sure you'll get better advice but this sounds like she's in pain. Gut

> pain? Constipation? Reflux? Headaches?

> What about stopping all those supplements for awhile until you can get a

> handle on what is causing it?

> Can she use PEC's or a device to let you know what type of pain she's in?

> Do you have a DAN doctor or Naturopath?

> Kathy

>

> [ ] HELP - Self injurious behaviour

>

>

> > Hi All;

> >

> > My 6 yo severe daughter's self injurious behaviour is out of control. She

> > is constantly using closed fists to hit herself in the head. She throws

> > herself on the floor and hits her head on the floor repeatedly if we don't

> > intervene. Last night she put a hole in her bedroom wall with her head.

> > She also bites things so hard that her teeth are bleeding or falling out

> > (she is naturally losing some baby teeth though).

> >

> > She has always resorted to SIB when she is frustrated, but usually takes

> > more of the aggression out on whoever is closest (usually parents).

> >

> > Yeast is always suspect, but is it always yeast?? No frothy yeast poop...

> > This is her current yeast schedule:

> > - Candex twice per day

> > - Sacc B at least twice per day

> > - Copious probiotics -- Custom probiotics 3x/day

> > - Coconut kefir - whenever I can get it into her

> > - GSE (5 drops per dose) 3x/day

> > - Oil of oregano 1 drop 2x/day (I can't increase this - it makes her more

> > crazy)

> > - Biotin 20 mg twice per day

> >

> > I am afraid she is going to injure her brain so badly that there will be

> > nothing left to try and save. I don't want to take her to the (regular)

> > doctor -- they'll probably insist on a helmet which will increase the SIB,

> > or worse, tell us we can't manage her and suggest an institution. At the

> > least, they'll probably want her on some psychotropic med that will do her

> > even more harm.

> >

> > I'm not sure what to do. Any suggestions appreciated!

> >

> > Kim

> >

> >

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My son stopped slamming his head on the floor/wall when we eliminated all soy

and derivatives from his diet, all artificial colors, preservatives, flavors,

etc. and added magnesium and digestive enzymes.

It is horrible to watch, hang in there and keep trying until you find something

that works.

>

> Hi All;

>

> My 6 yo severe daughter's self injurious behaviour is out of control. She is

constantly using closed fists to hit herself in the head. She throws herself on

the floor and hits her head on the floor repeatedly if we don't intervene. Last

night she put a hole in her bedroom wall with her head. She also bites things

so hard that her teeth are bleeding or falling out (she is naturally losing some

baby teeth though).

>

> She has always resorted to SIB when she is frustrated, but usually takes more

of the aggression out on whoever is closest (usually parents).

>

> Yeast is always suspect, but is it always yeast?? No frothy yeast poop...

This is her current yeast schedule:

> - Candex twice per day

> - Sacc B at least twice per day

> - Copious probiotics -- Custom probiotics 3x/day

> - Coconut kefir - whenever I can get it into her

> - GSE (5 drops per dose) 3x/day

> - Oil of oregano 1 drop 2x/day (I can't increase this - it makes her more

crazy)

> - Biotin 20 mg twice per day

>

> I am afraid she is going to injure her brain so badly that there will be

nothing left to try and save. I don't want to take her to the (regular) doctor

-- they'll probably insist on a helmet which will increase the SIB, or worse,

tell us we can't manage her and suggest an institution. At the least, they'll

probably want her on some psychotropic med that will do her even more harm.

>

> I'm not sure what to do. Any suggestions appreciated!

>

> Kim

>

>

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Hello,

My daughter is mid on the spectrum and we experienced " a little " of that

behavior. I'm new to this but I think Kathy is right when she says to stop the

supplements. I did that and found that I was giving way too much for yeast.

s

Re: [ ] HELP - Self injurious behaviour

I'm sure you'll get better advice but this sounds like she's in pain. Gut

pain? Constipation? Reflux? Headaches?

What about stopping all those supplements for awhile until you can get a

handle on what is causing it?

Can she use PEC's or a device to let you know what type of pain she's in?

Do you have a DAN doctor or Naturopath?

Kathy

[ ] HELP - Self injurious behaviour

> Hi All;

>

> My 6 yo severe daughter's self injurious behaviour is out of control. She

> is constantly using closed fists to hit herself in the head. She throws

> herself on the floor and hits her head on the floor repeatedly if we don't

> intervene. Last night she put a hole in her bedroom wall with her head.

> She also bites things so hard that her teeth are bleeding or falling out

> (she is naturally losing some baby teeth though).

>

> She has always resorted to SIB when she is frustrated, but usually takes

> more of the aggression out on whoever is closest (usually parents).

>

> Yeast is always suspect, but is it always yeast?? No frothy yeast poop..

[Guest guest]

stop for a few weeks or a month, put back in probiotics first very slowly.

check with your DAN doctor or practitioner too to make sure she is not

sick with strep or an ear infection. my dd's behavior when severe always

comes from illness or discomfort. it does sound like too many products.

when in doubt take what your giving your child and see how you feel !

if your concerned about yeast, cut back on sugar, give a good diet and lots

of good water.

kathy

RE: [ ] HELP - Self injurious behaviour

> Hello,

> My daughter is mid on the spectrum and we experienced " a little " of that

> behavior. I'm new to this but I think Kathy is right when she says to

> stop the supplements. I did that and found that I was giving way too much

> for yeast.

> s

>

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This is something I've observed as well, and the person generally seems entirely

unaware that he/she acted in such a manner.  But I don't personally buy the

multiple personality stuff, just more ways shrinks have invented to profit from

confusion.  It seems to be that excessive vaccinations+amalgams did this, but

pesticides are a strong possibility because there was heavy use of them around

the child in this case, too.  Prayer?  Yeah, always.

From: sunrose101@... <sunrose101@...>

Subject: [ ] Re:HELP - Self injurious behaviour

Date: Sunday, April 19, 2009, 7:54 AM

Kim, after a major pesticide exposure my daughter began banging her head against

the lexan over the window so hard I didn't know how she could stand it.? She was

perfectly able to speak and tell me what any problem might be.

Interestingly, there never was a mark on her forehead, nor did she seem to

suffer any ill effects from it.?

Now this might sound odd: however, people with multiple personalities can have

poison ivy in one personality and not the other, need glasses in one

personality, not the other, ect.? It seemed that when she went into these rages

(for lack of a better word), she was invincible.?

Once in church, she fell asleep and her forehead hit the back of the pew ahead,

and she got a little bruise, since she wasn't in that other mental state.

I'm not saying is it Shauna? -- that your daughter has different personalities,

just that altered mental states bring different results.? There is also an

endorphin kick or high from aggression.?

What healed my daughter of that was a lot of prayer.

Francine

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>

> This is something I've observed as well, and the person generally seems

entirely unaware that he/she acted in such a manner. But I don't personally buy

the multiple personality stuff, just more ways shrinks have invented to profit

from confusion.

One of my kids will occasionally report that he feels as if he has multiple

personalities. This is always when I have stopped giving him his B12. Once I

start it back, he reports that the problem has gone away.

Dana

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Hi All;

Thanks so much to all those who posted great suggestions to my daughter's SIB

issue. To answer some of your questions -- her diet is very pure, GFCFSF corn

free, sugar free, yeast free, preservative/colouring free, organic (everything

is made from scratch). Along with the yeast fighters listed previously, she

takes all the supps recommended by AC as we are chelating.

Yes, I do have alot of investigating to do. In the meantime my DAN prescribed

some diflucan to see if it could quell the SIB. It has helped some. I think we

have some work to do with parasites and clostridia.

Thanks again,

Kim